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9th Apr '18 7:00:51 PM MikeShogunLee
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** Interestingly, a few writers ''did'' make Kyle work for his place in the DC Universe. A number of writers, like Creator/GrantMorrison, had characters like [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West]] look down on the rookie Lantern for just being there and made to bust his chops to earn his place in the greater scheme of things.
** Geoff Johns' Hal Jordan can come off as this at times. He's the Greatest of Green Lanterns, [[CharacterShilling and constantly told so]], even though the bulk of his accomplishments are only achieved through dumb luck; he can be as much a JerkAss as Guy Gardner, yet rarely be called on it, because the Parallax fiasco was retconned into being him possessed by a giant bug, that was apparently inhabiting him for years without any real change to his personality until he went nuts; his record is now spotless and he's somehow so important to the Universe that he's been able to sample the entire Emotional Spectrum, just because he's Hal Jordan.
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9th Apr '18 6:52:29 PM MikeShogunLee
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, Barry returns and succeeds Wally in being the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. Then ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash until ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', written by Geoff Johns himself, brought classic Wally back.

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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, Barry returns and succeeds Wally in being the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. Then ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.
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** Even in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueDoom'', an animated adaption of a ''JLA'' storyline wherein the
Flash until was Wally, the Flash is Barry. The plot would be no different if the Flash was classic Wally (in contrast to switching Kyle out for Hal, which at least made sense with the villainous counterpart they used).
** Between 2011 and 2016, the other Flashes were completely different characters with only a few similarities with their pre-New 52 counterparts, while Barry's character remains mostly intact. That alone speaks volumes about the favoritism to Barry.
**Until
''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', written by Geoff Johns himself, brought classic Wally back.back.
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20th Feb '18 4:22:46 AM Hello9876
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** Jason Todd as well, and for many of the same reasons. His characterisation since coming back from the dead changes depending on the writer, which makes it seem like DC is throwing it all at the wall to see what sticks. The attempt at darkening him has him do things that no other Bat-character could get away with, such as casually killing (emphasis on the casual) and using guns (Peter Tomasi did however write him as going for leg shots in front of Batman), while having the negative personality aspects of Damian, but none of the charm, nor the excuse of being a child.

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** Jason Todd as well, and for many of the same reasons. His characterisation since coming back from the dead changes depending on the writer, which makes it seem like DC is throwing it all at the wall to see what sticks. The attempt at darkening him has him do things that no other Bat-character could get away with, such as casually killing (emphasis on the casual) and using guns (Peter Tomasi did however write him as going for leg shots in front of Batman), while having the negative personality aspects of Damian, but none of the charm, nor the excuse of being a child. The fact that he's been written by disliked writer Scott Lobdell for so long has fans begging for anyone new to take over.
28th Jan '18 3:33:47 PM comicwriter
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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating hatred of Stewart as racism, which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character. Fast forward a couple of years when [=McDuffie=] took over the ''Justice League of America'' comic and he was told to use John instead of Hal as the Justice League of America's Green Lantern on orders from above (partly because Hal was being given [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice HIS JLA TEAM!]]). Sadly for [=McDuffie=], [[FanDumb fandom took the change badly]], not helped in the least by the fact that Hal's JLA spin-off was delayed and reduced to a mini-series when it became apparent that James Robinson's artist was never going to get the book done on time. This lead to Hal returning to the title until his book was ready, followed by John's reinstatement just long enough for him to be bounced again and replaced with Hal until he was quickly replaced with Jade when they needed a book to focus on her ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' storyline. The entire process was made progressively worse and worse by ExecutiveMeddling, in case you couldn't tell. And when [=McDuffie=] had the ''gall'' to describe this and the other creative difficulties on his forum (without assigning blame or complaining), DC [[ShootTheMessenger responded by firing him]].

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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was about racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating hatred of Stewart as racism, which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character. Fast forward a couple of years when [=McDuffie=] took over the ''Justice League of America'' comic and he was told to use John instead of Hal as the Justice League of America's Green Lantern on orders from above (partly because Hal was being given [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice HIS JLA TEAM!]]). Sadly for [=McDuffie=], [[FanDumb fandom took the change badly]], not helped in the least by the fact that Hal's JLA spin-off was delayed and reduced to a mini-series when it became apparent that James Robinson's artist was never going to get the book done on time. This lead to Hal returning to the title until his book was ready, followed by John's reinstatement just long enough for him to be bounced again and replaced with Hal until he was quickly replaced with Jade when they needed a book to focus on her ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' storyline. The entire process was made progressively worse and worse by ExecutiveMeddling, in case you couldn't tell. And when [=McDuffie=] had the ''gall'' to describe this and the other creative difficulties on his forum (without assigning blame or complaining), DC [[ShootTheMessenger responded by firing him]].
20th Dec '17 3:41:28 PM NightShade96
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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss and MarkWaid as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for their ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/{{GREENLANTERN}} Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.

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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss and MarkWaid Creator/MarkWaid as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for their ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/{{GREENLANTERN}} Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.
24th Nov '17 1:29:43 AM jormis29
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* ComicBook/TheSentry from ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'', ''ComicBook/DarkAvengers'', ''Age of the Sentry'', ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'', ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion'', ''ComicBook/DarkReign'', ''ComicBook/{{Siege}}'', ''ComicBook/FallOfTheHulks'', ''ComicBook/NewAvengers'', and ''The Sentry'' mini series. Writers love using him, fans hate seeing him. If they wanted to see Superman with mental problems, they would've just gone to {{Superdickery}}.

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* ComicBook/TheSentry from ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'', ''ComicBook/DarkAvengers'', ''Age of the Sentry'', ''ComicBook/AgeOfTheSentry'', ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'', ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion'', ''ComicBook/DarkReign'', ''ComicBook/{{Siege}}'', ''ComicBook/FallOfTheHulks'', ''ComicBook/NewAvengers'', and ''The Sentry'' mini series. Writers love using him, fans hate seeing him. If they wanted to see Superman with mental problems, they would've just gone to {{Superdickery}}.
24th Oct '17 2:21:43 PM lillolillo
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. ''Then'', ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.
** Even in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueDoom'', an animated adaption of a ''JLA'' storyline wherein the Flash was Wally, the Flash is Barry. The plot would be no different if the Flash was Wally (in contrast to switching Kyle out for Hal, which at least made sense with the villainous counterpart they used).
** Between 2011 and 2016, the other Flashes were completely different characters with only a few similarities with their pre-New 52 counterparts, while Barry's character remains mostly intact. That alone speaks volumes about the favoritism to Barry.

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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps returns and succeeds Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as in being the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. ''Then'', Then ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.
** Even in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueDoom'', an animated adaption of a ''JLA'' storyline wherein the
Flash was Wally, the Flash is Barry. The plot would be no different if the Flash was until ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', written by Geoff Johns himself, brought classic Wally (in contrast to switching Kyle out for Hal, which at least made sense with the villainous counterpart they used).
** Between 2011 and 2016, the other Flashes were completely different characters with only a few similarities with their pre-New 52 counterparts, while Barry's character remains mostly intact. That alone speaks volumes about the favoritism to Barry.
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** One could argue that the Green Lantern has been a source of shilling the creator's pet since the 90s. Start with Kyle Rayner replacing Hal Jordan and the writers trying to shill him to win over the fan base disgusted by Hal's FaceHeelTurn in ''Emerald Twilight''. Fast forward 10 years, and a number of those fans are now writers/editors for DC, and they promptly retcon the heel turn and restore Hal to being GL Numero Uno - and now must shill him to the fan base who grew up with Kyle and are upset with him getting booted down - and John Stewart as described above.
** Interestingly, a few writers ''did'' make Kyle work for his place in the DC Universe. A number of writers, like Creator/GrantMorrison, had characters like [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West]] look down on the rookie Lantern for just being there and made to bust his chops to earn his place in the greater scheme of things.
** Geoff Johns' Hal Jordan can come off as this at times. He's the Greatest of Green Lanterns, [[CharacterShilling and constantly told so]], even though the bulk of his accomplishments are only achieved through dumb luck; he can be as much a JerkAss as Guy Gardner, yet rarely be called on it, because the Parallax fiasco was retconned into being him possessed by a giant bug, that was apparently inhabiting him for years without any real change to his personality until he went nuts; his record is now spotless and he's somehow so important to the Universe that he's been able to sample the entire Emotional Spectrum, just because he's Hal Jordan.

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** One could argue that the Green Lantern has been a source of shilling the creator's pet since the 90s. Start with Kyle Rayner replacing Hal Jordan and the writers trying to shill him to win over the fan base disgusted by Hal's FaceHeelTurn in ''Emerald Twilight''. ''ComicBook/EmeraldTwilight''. Fast forward 10 years, and a number of those fans are now writers/editors for DC, and they promptly retcon the heel turn and restore Hal to being GL Numero Uno - and now must shill him to the fan base who grew up with Kyle and are upset with him getting booted down - and John Stewart as described above.
** Interestingly, a few writers ''did'' make Kyle work for his place in the DC Universe. A number of writers, like Creator/GrantMorrison, had characters like [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West]] look down on the rookie Lantern for just being there and made to bust his chops to earn his place in the greater scheme of things.
** Geoff Johns' Hal Jordan can come off as this at times. He's the Greatest of Green Lanterns, [[CharacterShilling and constantly told so]], even though the bulk of his accomplishments are only achieved through dumb luck; he can be as much a JerkAss as Guy Gardner, yet rarely be called on it, because the Parallax fiasco was retconned into being him possessed by a giant bug, that was apparently inhabiting him for years without any real change to his personality until he went nuts; his record is now spotless and he's somehow so important to the Universe that he's been able to sample the entire Emotional Spectrum, just because he's Hal Jordan.
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2nd Oct '17 7:13:48 PM TheMountainKing
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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for his ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/{{GREENLANTERN}} Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.

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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss and MarkWaid as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for his their ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/{{GREENLANTERN}} Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.
26th Sep '17 9:47:35 AM N8han11
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*** To be fair with Sally, up until Ian took over, Sally had been through a major Chickification during the comic's DorkAge, so trying to re-establish her as an ActionGirl once more through heavy usage is probably sensible. However, Sally, under Ian's and everyone else's pen, gets rather consistent flak for over usage at the expense of other characters and being a rather clear-cut case of PositiveDiscrimination. She garners complaints for being blandly lucid and hyper competent (with her flaws being much more superficial than the other characters' flaws), and for her role as TheStraightMan to Sonic. The fact that Ian released a blog consisting of nothing but how awesome a character Sally is doesn't help much.
18th Sep '17 11:25:47 PM FuzzyBarbarian
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