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24th Oct '17 2:21:43 PM lillolillo
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. ''Then'', ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.
** Even in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueDoom'', an animated adaption of a ''JLA'' storyline wherein the Flash was Wally, the Flash is Barry. The plot would be no different if the Flash was Wally (in contrast to switching Kyle out for Hal, which at least made sense with the villainous counterpart they used).
** Between 2011 and 2016, the other Flashes were completely different characters with only a few similarities with their pre-New 52 counterparts, while Barry's character remains mostly intact. That alone speaks volumes about the favoritism to Barry.

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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps returns and succeeds Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as in being the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. ''Then'', Then ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.
** Even in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueDoom'', an animated adaption of a ''JLA'' storyline wherein the
Flash was Wally, the Flash is Barry. The plot would be no different if the Flash was until ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', written by Geoff Johns himself, brought classic Wally (in contrast to switching Kyle out for Hal, which at least made sense with the villainous counterpart they used).
** Between 2011 and 2016, the other Flashes were completely different characters with only a few similarities with their pre-New 52 counterparts, while Barry's character remains mostly intact. That alone speaks volumes about the favoritism to Barry.
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** One could argue that the Green Lantern has been a source of shilling the creator's pet since the 90s. Start with Kyle Rayner replacing Hal Jordan and the writers trying to shill him to win over the fan base disgusted by Hal's FaceHeelTurn in ''Emerald Twilight''. Fast forward 10 years, and a number of those fans are now writers/editors for DC, and they promptly retcon the heel turn and restore Hal to being GL Numero Uno - and now must shill him to the fan base who grew up with Kyle and are upset with him getting booted down - and John Stewart as described above.
** Interestingly, a few writers ''did'' make Kyle work for his place in the DC Universe. A number of writers, like Creator/GrantMorrison, had characters like [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West]] look down on the rookie Lantern for just being there and made to bust his chops to earn his place in the greater scheme of things.
** Geoff Johns' Hal Jordan can come off as this at times. He's the Greatest of Green Lanterns, [[CharacterShilling and constantly told so]], even though the bulk of his accomplishments are only achieved through dumb luck; he can be as much a JerkAss as Guy Gardner, yet rarely be called on it, because the Parallax fiasco was retconned into being him possessed by a giant bug, that was apparently inhabiting him for years without any real change to his personality until he went nuts; his record is now spotless and he's somehow so important to the Universe that he's been able to sample the entire Emotional Spectrum, just because he's Hal Jordan.

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** One could argue that the Green Lantern has been a source of shilling the creator's pet since the 90s. Start with Kyle Rayner replacing Hal Jordan and the writers trying to shill him to win over the fan base disgusted by Hal's FaceHeelTurn in ''Emerald Twilight''. ''ComicBook/EmeraldTwilight''. Fast forward 10 years, and a number of those fans are now writers/editors for DC, and they promptly retcon the heel turn and restore Hal to being GL Numero Uno - and now must shill him to the fan base who grew up with Kyle and are upset with him getting booted down - and John Stewart as described above.
** Interestingly, a few writers ''did'' make Kyle work for his place in the DC Universe. A number of writers, like Creator/GrantMorrison, had characters like [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West]] look down on the rookie Lantern for just being there and made to bust his chops to earn his place in the greater scheme of things.
** Geoff Johns' Hal Jordan can come off as this at times. He's the Greatest of Green Lanterns, [[CharacterShilling and constantly told so]], even though the bulk of his accomplishments are only achieved through dumb luck; he can be as much a JerkAss as Guy Gardner, yet rarely be called on it, because the Parallax fiasco was retconned into being him possessed by a giant bug, that was apparently inhabiting him for years without any real change to his personality until he went nuts; his record is now spotless and he's somehow so important to the Universe that he's been able to sample the entire Emotional Spectrum, just because he's Hal Jordan.
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2nd Oct '17 7:13:48 PM TheMountainKing
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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for his ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/{{GREENLANTERN}} Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.

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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss and MarkWaid as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for his their ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/{{GREENLANTERN}} Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.
26th Sep '17 9:47:35 AM N8han11
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*** To be fair with Sally, up until Ian took over, Sally had been through a major Chickification during the comic's DorkAge, so trying to re-establish her as an ActionGirl once more through heavy usage is probably sensible. However, Sally, under Ian's and everyone else's pen, gets rather consistent flak for over usage at the expense of other characters and being a rather clear-cut case of PositiveDiscrimination. She garners complaints for being blandly lucid and hyper competent (with her flaws being much more superficial than the other characters' flaws), and for her role as TheStraightMan to Sonic. The fact that Ian released a blog consisting of nothing but how awesome a character Sally is doesn't help much.
18th Sep '17 11:25:47 PM FuzzyBarbarian
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18th Sep '17 11:25:43 PM FuzzyBarbarian
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** The other Flashes are now completely different characters with only a few similarities with their pre-New 52 counterparts, while Barry's character remains mostly intact. That alone speaks volumes about the favoritism to Barry.

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** The Between 2011 and 2016, the other Flashes are now were completely different characters with only a few similarities with their pre-New 52 counterparts, while Barry's character remains mostly intact. That alone speaks volumes about the favoritism to Barry.
11th Sep '17 1:38:30 PM Acomicfan1
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Wally quickly became a fan favourite. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. ''Then'', ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.

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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Wally quickly became a fan favourite. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing. ''Then'', ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.
11th Sep '17 1:36:14 PM Acomicfan1
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Wally quickly became a fan favourite and eventually universally accepted as the Flash, and was also featured in the DCAU. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing, and is shilled as the best Flash, to the point where it is said that, since his death, crime has gone up massively. This is despite the fact that Wally is clearly established as being faster than Barry. ''Then'', ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.

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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'' has Barry Allen, the second Flash. Barry pulled a HeroicSacrifice in ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (a crossover from the 1980s) and this led to his sidekick, Wally West, taking up the mantle of the Flash. Wally quickly became a fan favourite and eventually universally accepted as the Flash, and was also featured in the DCAU.favourite. Fast forward to the late 2000s, and people who grew up with Barry are RunningTheAsylum, including Creator/GeoffJohns, who has actually said that Barry is a favourite character. So, of course, Barry returns, usurps Wally (who by that point had been the Flash for over ''20 years'') as the protagonist of the ''Flash'' ongoing, and is shilled as the best Flash, to the point where it is said that, since his death, crime has gone up massively. This is despite the fact that Wally is clearly established as being faster than Barry.ongoing. ''Then'', ''Flashpoint'' happens, and Wally is rebooted out of existence, along with his wife and children, and Barry is established as being the only Flash.



** Most fans cite ''Flash: Rebirth'' as blatant RunningTheAsylum. The difference between it and ''Green Lantern: Rebirth'', is that Barry's death was a heroic sacrifice and he was well-regarded by people in the DCU, and the guy replacing him was his sidekick, who was already an adult while still being called "Kid Flash". Hal pulled an extreme FaceHeelTurn and turned into a villain, and was hated by most people in the DCU, and was unceremoniously replaced by a minor character. With Green Lantern, it was fixing something that was clearly broken. With Flash, it was blatant favouritism on part of the heads of DC. Rebirth could essentially be summarized as people either fawning over how magnificent Barry is, or Barry upstaging anyone else with superspeed (Wally, Superman, and just about anyone else in the Flash family).
4th Sep '17 6:17:15 PM JoeMerl
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* Danny Chase from [[Franchise/TheDCU DC Comics]]' ''[[ComicBook/TeenTitans New Titans]]'' was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look at the Titans history during March 2013.

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* Danny Chase from [[Franchise/TheDCU DC Comics]]' ''[[ComicBook/TeenTitans New Titans]]'' was universally loathed by fans within a few issues of his first appearance. He was a CousinOliver (he even ''looked'' like the original Cousin Oliver) introduced to make the team seem younger, as he was only in his early teens while everyone else was pushing 20. Despite his age, he constantly argued with the other members of the team, criticized them, was supposed to be a genius superspy teenager with telekinetic powers, but then went crazy with fear whenever an actual fight took place. And when Dick was distraught at the death of Jason Todd, Danny said it was no big deal because Jason 'knew the risks'. The only people who didn't seem to grasp how loathed this character was was writer Marv Wolfman who, to this day, still insists it was the readers' fault for not "getting the character," and weirdly enough [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]], who calls Danny his favorite Titan in his look superhero ever. ("[[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer I am NOT kidding at all]]. I love the Titans history during March 2013.little brat.")
30th Aug '17 6:07:11 AM CosmicFerret
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** Interestingly, a few writers ''did'' make Kyle work for his place in the DC Universe. A number of writers, like Creator/GrantMorrison, had characters like [[TheFlash Wally West]] look down on the rookie Lantern for just being there and made to bust his chops to earn his place in the greater scheme of things.

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** Interestingly, a few writers ''did'' make Kyle work for his place in the DC Universe. A number of writers, like Creator/GrantMorrison, had characters like [[TheFlash [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West]] look down on the rookie Lantern for just being there and made to bust his chops to earn his place in the greater scheme of things.
15th Aug '17 5:01:02 PM zealots
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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for his ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/GREENLANTERN Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.

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* There was a period when Magog, of all characters, was one of these. Originally created by Creator/AlexRoss as a scathing deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero archetype for his ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'' book, Magog would find a new lease on life a decade later when he was imported into ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' by Geoff Johns as part of an effort to focus the book on a new generation of LegacyCharacter types. At first this introduction seemed quite promising, as the young not-yet-Magog was introduced as a polite and respectful soldier who worked and played well with his teammates. This character would become Magog through the year-long 'Thy Kingdom Come' story arc, during which he was promoted to main character status to play off the story's villain Gog. Fine and dandy. But after that storyline came to a close and Geoff Johns left the book, Magog would remain a main character under new writer Marc Guggenheim (something that did not sit well with many fans who had favorites of their own among the many newly introduced characters, none of which were featured as prominently as Magog). This might have still worked out if the character had remained likable, but under Guggenheim's pen he quickly degenerated into a disagreeable, contrarian JerkAss who seemed to delight in pissing off both his teammates and readers. While a small fandom for the character persisted (very small, if the sales of his brief solo series were anything to go by), Magog very quickly acquired a much larger Hatedom, one that was not at all shy about voicing their distaste for the character. DC listened to the complaints, first by having old-school heroes Comicbook/PowerGirl and [[ComicBook/GREENLANTERN [[ComicBook/{{GREENLANTERN}} Alan Scott]] clean Magog's clock, and later killing him off in an almost needlessly gory fashion to placate the fans. Even after nearly a decade the character has not recovered from this damage, and since the ComicBook/New52 he has been reinvented as an outright villain.



* [[ComicBook/XMen Quentin Quire]] started off as a minor character, basically the super-powered mutant equivalent of a school shooter and a teenaged sociopath who manipulated others into joining a small cult of wannabe Magnetos, before dying of a drug overdose of sorts. He was revived a few times, before finally returning during ''Schism'', serving as one source of the conflict between Wolverine and Cyclops to push them apart further, before joining Wolverine's school. He's continued to be written by Jason Aaron, who's since then made him one of the main characters, including being the main student, of his run, with him being at the front of every big event he writes, including his future self being the Phoenix in ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom''. All of this, despite being largely loathed by vocal aspects of fandom. Every writer tends to have one kid they push, and usually it works. This case, however, it most certainly has not, and isn't helped by his continued use.

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* [[ComicBook/XMen Quentin Quire]] of the ComicBook/NewXMen started off as a minor character, basically the super-powered mutant equivalent of a school shooter and a teenaged sociopath who manipulated others into joining a small cult of wannabe Magnetos, before dying of a drug overdose of sorts. He was revived a few times, before finally returning during ''Schism'', serving as one source of the conflict between Wolverine and Cyclops to push them apart further, before joining Wolverine's school. He's continued to be written by Jason Aaron, who's since then made him one of the main characters, including being the main student, of his run, with him being at the front of every big event he writes, including his future self being the Phoenix in ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom''. All of this, despite being largely loathed by vocal aspects of fandom. Every writer tends to have one kid they push, and usually it works. This case, however, it most certainly has not, and isn't helped by his continued use.




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* For his run on ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen2013'' Creator/BrianMichaelBendis introduced yet ''another'' creator's pet in Tempus, an original character who in a very short span of time got two entire annuals dedicated to her, defeated the entire ComicBook/{{Avengers}} team in a total CurbStompBattle, and gave a suspiciously meta TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Cyclops (who was on a VillainProtagonist kick at the time). While some readers liked Tempus despite (or occasionally even because of) these things, following the book's end she was shunted into ComicBookLimbo and has not been seen since.
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