History CreatorsPet / ComicBooks

26th Apr '16 5:36:00 PM Mullon
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* ''ComicBook/{{Earth 2}}'' has a Pet quartet: Val-Zod, Thomas Wayne, Red Tornado Lois, and Jimmy Olsen. Though they were introduced in the well-liked Robinson run, it was under the pen of Tom Taylor that they became outright hated. The entire premise of the book was that it was a world where the Trinity were KilledOffForReal and the book would instead focus on the ex-JSA {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s, so bringing in {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s to the two most overexposed members of the Trinity and their supporting cast went over like a lead balloon. And that's before they started grabbing character focus and arcs like crazy, even taking a disproportionate amount of cover space, while the original main characters were weakened, DemotedToExtra, or just plain forgotten. The result was one of the most unique books in DC's library at the time being reduced in the eyes of readers to a second-rate knockoff of ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', with an appropriate crater in the sales. Fans consider them incredibly boring and completely redundant, and often theorize that Taylor is [[ExecutiveMeddling being ordered by editorial mandate]] to use [[WolverinePublicity more recognizable characters]] (which would explain why Robinson quit). Things might change for the new Earth-2 book following ''Convergence'', [[spoiler:where Thomas Wayne is now dead, and emphasis will hopefully be more on other characters like Jay Garrick or Alan Scott]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Earth 2}}'' has a Pet quartet: Val-Zod, Thomas Wayne, Red Tornado Lois, and Jimmy Olsen. Though they were introduced in the well-liked Robinson run, it was under the pen of Tom Taylor that they became outright hated. The entire premise of the book was that it was a world where the Trinity were KilledOffForReal and the book would instead focus on the ex-JSA {{Ensemble Darkhorse}}s, so bringing in {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s to the two most overexposed members of the Trinity and their supporting cast went over like a lead balloon. And that's before they started grabbing character focus and arcs like crazy, even taking a disproportionate amount of cover space, while the original main characters were weakened, DemotedToExtra, or just plain forgotten. The result was one of the most unique books in DC's library at the time being reduced in the eyes of readers to a second-rate knockoff of ''InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', ''ComicBook/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', with an appropriate crater in the sales. Fans consider them incredibly boring and completely redundant, and often theorize that Taylor is [[ExecutiveMeddling being ordered by editorial mandate]] to use [[WolverinePublicity more recognizable characters]] (which would explain why Robinson quit). Things might change for the new Earth-2 book following ''Convergence'', [[spoiler:where Thomas Wayne is now dead, and emphasis will hopefully be more on other characters like Jay Garrick or Alan Scott]].
23rd Apr '16 12:07:53 AM Reddo
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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post nu52 veto on Cass Cain and Steph Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest Determinator in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent Jerkass -ness.
17th Apr '16 1:06:48 PM Blazer
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* ComicBook/SpiderGwen in ''ComicBook/WebWarriors''. While in her title, she's shown to be a rookie way out of her league against superhumans, in ''Web Warriors'', writer Mike Costa turns her into TheAce who can handle both armies of Electros and Dr. Octopuses with ease. ComicBook/SpiderManNoir ends up describing her as someone who really doesn't need to ''be'' part of the team when most of the heroes shown in the series have been fighting for so much longer and dealt with a lot more.
19th Feb '16 5:43:57 PM Tightwire
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** Jason Todd as well, and for many of the same reasons. His characterisation since coming back from the dead changes depending on the writer, which makes it seem like DC is just doing anything and seeing what works. The attempt at darkening him has him do things that no other Bat-character could get away with, such as casually killing (emphasis on the casual) and using guns (Peter Tomasi did however write him as going for leg shots in front of Batman), while having the negative personality aspects of Damian, but none of the charm, nor the excuse of being a child.

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** Jason Todd as well, and for many of the same reasons. His characterisation since coming back from the dead changes depending on the writer, which makes it seem like DC is just doing anything and seeing throwing it all at the wall to see what works.sticks. The attempt at darkening him has him do things that no other Bat-character could get away with, such as casually killing (emphasis on the casual) and using guns (Peter Tomasi did however write him as going for leg shots in front of Batman), while having the negative personality aspects of Damian, but none of the charm, nor the excuse of being a child.
19th Feb '16 5:36:38 PM Tightwire
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** Different writers have met criticism over over usage of certain cast members. Ken Penders was noted for his expansion of the Echidna brotherhood, which by the end of his run had its population and story background bloated to a convoluted rate. This treatment did not seem mutual with later writers, who decided to limit their numbers and had numerous Echidna characters KilledOffForReal. Ian Flynn however has been noted for his recent usage of Sally Acorn, reestablishing her as an active Freedom Fighter and love interest for Sonic and giving her a fairly notable role in nearly every arc (ranging from main character to prominent supporting character). Granted in both cases there are still [[BaseBreaker a fair amount of supporters]], though it's obvious the fanbase is very polarized by their heavy usage in the comics.
*** To be fair of Sally, up until Ian took over, Sally had been through a major Chickification during the comic's DorkAge, so trying to reestablish her as an ActionGirl once more through heavy usage is probably sensible. However, Sally, under Ian's and everyone else's pen, gets rather consistent flak for over usage at the expense of other characters and being a rather clear-cut case of PositiveDiscrimination. She garners complaints for being blandly lucid and hyper competent (with her flaws being much more superficial than the other characters' flaws), and for her role as TheStraightMan to Sonic. The fact that Ian released a blog consisting of nothing but how awesome a character Sally is doesn't help much.
*** If you want to get technical with the usage of Knuckles and the echidna expansion, consider the following: Ken Penders has stated, flat out, that he doesn't use characters that people created and, in turn, considers things that people do to his own characters non-canon. He has admitted that the first character that he used that wasn't his or already pre-established was Mina Mongoose in issue 150[[note]]which isn't actually true, as he'd apparently forgotten his use of Mammoth Mogul early in the Knuckles comic[[/note]] and proclaimed that, if he were to return to the comic, he would automatically make all of Ian Flynn's work non canon because they went against his pre-established ideas. If that doesn't scream "Creator's Pet", nothing will.
*** Here's one more: Penders has stated that Archie can his characters again if certain conditions are met, one of them is making his ''Mobius: 25 Years Later'' story the canon future of the book. Aside from that story having Knuckles be the one the ultimately kills Eggman and the Sega characters getting married off, it's also a prequel to ''The Lara-Su Chronicles'', a story that Penders is working to get published through a different company and stars Knuckles' daughter. Thing is, Penders can only publish ''TLSC'' if it doesn't resemble the Sega-Sonic art-style and isn't tied directly to the Sonic books. So the condition about''25YL'' is nothing than forcing his vision on the book for personal reasons.

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** Different writers have met criticism over over usage of certain cast members. Ken Penders was noted for his expansion of the Echidna brotherhood, which by the end of his run had its population and story background bloated to a convoluted rate. This treatment did not seem mutual with later writers, who decided Later writers preferred to limit their numbers and had numerous Echidna characters KilledOffForReal. Ian Flynn however has been noted for his recent heavy usage of Sally Acorn, reestablishing her as an active Freedom Fighter and love interest for Sonic and giving her a fairly notable role in nearly every arc (ranging from main character to prominent supporting character). Granted in both cases there are still [[BaseBreaker a fair amount of supporters]], though it's obvious the fanbase is very polarized by their heavy usage in the comics.
*** To be fair of with Sally, up until Ian took over, Sally had been through a major Chickification during the comic's DorkAge, so trying to reestablish re-establish her as an ActionGirl once more through heavy usage is probably sensible. However, Sally, under Ian's and everyone else's pen, gets rather consistent flak for over usage at the expense of other characters and being a rather clear-cut case of PositiveDiscrimination. She garners complaints for being blandly lucid and hyper competent (with her flaws being much more superficial than the other characters' flaws), and for her role as TheStraightMan to Sonic. The fact that Ian released a blog consisting of nothing but how awesome a character Sally is doesn't help much.
*** If you want to get technical with the usage of Knuckles and the echidna expansion, expansion of the Echidna civilisation, consider the following: Ken Penders has stated, flat out, that he doesn't use characters that other people created and, and in turn, considers things that people do to his own characters non-canon. He has admitted that the first character that he used that wasn't his or already pre-established was Mina Mongoose in issue 150[[note]]which isn't actually true, as he'd apparently forgotten his use of Mammoth Mogul early in the Knuckles comic[[/note]] and proclaimed that, if he were to return to the comic, he would automatically make all of Ian Flynn's work non canon because they went against his pre-established ideas. If that doesn't scream "Creator's Pet", nothing will.
*** Here's one more: more issue people have: Penders has stated that Archie can use his characters again if certain conditions are met, one of them is making his ''Mobius: 25 Years Later'' story the canon future of the book. Aside from that story having Knuckles be the one the ultimately kills Eggman and the Sega characters getting married off, off with babies. Not only would this drive fans absolutely crazy with ShippingWars, it's also meant to be a prequel to ''The Lara-Su Chronicles'', a story that Penders is working to get published through a different company and stars Knuckles' daughter. Thing is, Penders can only publish ''TLSC'' if it doesn't resemble the Sega-Sonic art-style and isn't tied directly to the Sonic books. So the condition about''25YL'' about ''25YL'' is nothing than just him forcing his vision on the book for personal reasons.
30th Jan '16 11:45:20 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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* Apex from ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' is this in the eyes of many critics. She is supposed to be one of the smartest people on the Murderworld, but she was only successful because everybody she went against grabbed an IdiotBall much bigger than the one she carries around, and because stronger characters were subjected to TheWorfEffect to make her look cooler, especially [[spoiler: Darkhawk - she can effortlessly take control over his armor and even break its bond with the host]]. When her plan from the first arc blew up in her face, it's treated as a big accomplishment by the other side, literally being said to be beating her at her own game, despite the fact she made many stupid mistakes that lead to her failure - many people see it as CharacterShilling. Many plot points ends up [[CharacterFocus revolving about her, even if they shouldn't]], [[spoiler: like the broken trust between Chase and Nico]]. In the second arc, she [[spoiler: kills Juston, takes control over the Sentinel, Deathlocket, and Dawkhawk and uses them to effortlessly curbstomp X-23 and Nico Minoru]], effectively dominating every established character who could be seen as a threat, and is only defeated thanks to a writer-breaking rules under which Nico's magic work to give one of them necessary powerup to fight her off. Also, Deathlocket, one of series initial [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has been turned into SatelliteCharacter, who only exists to make Apex look that much more interesting. Apex is also the only character to get more than one focus issue: [[spoiler: #9, which tells her origin, and #12, which is told from her perspective]], while some established characters (like [[spoiler: Mettle, Red Raven and Juston]]) didn't get a single one before they died. Critics of the series started calling her [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Neelix]] to express how annoying she is.

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* Apex from ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' is this in the eyes of many critics. She is supposed to be one of the smartest people on the Murderworld, but she was only successful because everybody she went against grabbed an IdiotBall much bigger than the one she carries around, and because stronger characters were subjected to TheWorfEffect to make her look cooler, especially [[spoiler: Darkhawk - she can effortlessly take control over his armor and even break its bond with the host]]. When her plan from the first arc blew up in her face, it's treated as a big accomplishment by the other side, literally being said to be beating her at her own game, despite the fact she made many stupid mistakes that lead to her failure - many people see it as CharacterShilling. Many plot points ends up [[CharacterFocus revolving about her, even if they shouldn't]], [[spoiler: like the broken trust between Chase and Nico]]. In the second arc, she [[spoiler: kills Juston, takes control over the Sentinel, Deathlocket, and Dawkhawk Darkhawk and uses them to effortlessly curbstomp X-23 and Nico Minoru]], effectively dominating every established character who could be seen as a threat, and is only defeated thanks to a writer-breaking rules under which Nico's magic work to give one of them necessary powerup to fight her off. Also, Deathlocket, one of series initial [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has been turned into SatelliteCharacter, who only exists to make Apex look that much more interesting. Apex is also the only character to get more than one focus issue: [[spoiler: #9, which tells her origin, and #12, which is told from her perspective]], while some established characters (like [[spoiler: Mettle, Red Raven and Juston]]) didn't get a single one before they died. Critics of the series started calling her [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Neelix]] to express how annoying she is.
2nd Jan '16 4:36:48 PM chopshop
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* Kate Bishop in ''{{ComicBook/Hawkeye}}'' normally ''isn't'' this, being given plenty of panel time while not overshadowing Hawkeye, her mentor and the main protagonist. However during Jeff Lemiere's run on the book during ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', she seemed to be suddenly suck up loads of attention and was shilled massively, being depicted as much better at fighting than Hawkeye to the point that a villain at one point calls her "the ''real'' Hawkeye" for no particular reason. This may have been an attempt to reverse BadassDecay Kate suffered in the previous writer's run, but if so many fans feel that Lemiere went way overboard.
9th Dec '15 12:07:25 PM Eagal
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** Inverted by Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, characters who are well-liked by the fandom, but whom DC editorial seems to want to have nothing to do with.
*** Part of the reason for this makes Barbara Gordon a Creator's Pet. Barbara is a popular character, as HandicappedBadass Oracle. Crippled by TheJoker in ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' when she was no longer Batgirl, there was [[StuffedIntoTheFridge backlash at being so cruelly sidelined.]] She was then given a second life as a hacker and proved to be both incredibly useful and an inspiration to people in real life. Returning her to being Batgirl in the ComicBook/{{New 52}} at the expense of her popular successors of the Batgirl mantle, Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown sours many fans of her. It's pretty much the same situation as Barry Allen, since she is now back and those who took up her legacy as Batgirl have been swept under the rug.
** When Creator/ScottSnyder was told he couldn't use Cassandra Cain in his Batman run, he created a character named Harper Row. Harper appeared in two issues of Batman (a split-second cameo and ADayInTheLimelight) before being billed as a "fan-favorite" for her next appearance. While she was positively received, "fan-favorite" seems to be stretching it. When Damian Wayne died and left the Robin slot vacant, she was immediately pegged as the next choice to fill the slot-- although this may end up going to Carrie Kelley, a female Robin from Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns''... supposedly from Batman's future. Who is a much more likely candidate for the title "fan-favorite."
** Similar to the example regarding Cass and Steph, Dick Grayson. Easily the most popular character to have been Robin, [[BreakoutCharacter Dick is a HUGE fan-favourite]], who Creator/DanDiDio seems to hate with a passion, to the point where he wanted to kill him off in ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. Luckily, Geoff Johns stepped in with Superboy as his SacrificialLamb. But even after ''that'', he refuses to let Dick lead a happy life, and made it a point to completely ruin his life in ''Forever Evil''.
10th Nov '15 5:39:11 AM StFan
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** And yet, to everyone's great surprise, his role in the [[Comicbook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye More Than Meets The Eye]] has managed to overcome a lot of the hate he generated under less competent writers. He get's some holes punctured in his incessant moralizing, his spiritualism is written with a more humorous air, his backstory get's some nuance to it, and has some horrible consequences of his well intentioned actions coming back to bite him in the ass and leave him cast adrift. Even the [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Drift_%28G1%29#Notes Transformers Wiki]] admits he's a much more tolerable, if not outright enjoyable, character.

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** And yet, to everyone's great surprise, his role in the [[Comicbook/TransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye More Than Meets The Eye]] ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' has managed to overcome a lot of the hate he generated under less competent writers. He get's some holes punctured in his incessant moralizing, his spiritualism is written with a more humorous air, his backstory get's some nuance to it, and has some horrible consequences of his well intentioned actions coming back to bite him in the ass and leave him cast adrift. Even the [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Drift_%28G1%29#Notes Transformers Wiki]] admits he's a much more tolerable, if not outright enjoyable, character.



** Bumblebee [[http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/features/thirtieth-anniversary/thirty-greatest-characters/characters/17_Bumblebee.php became this]] throughout the Costa run. He'd been basically well-liked beforehand under Furman, as an understated and fairly cool character who pulled off an awesome fight scene against Skywarp in the first miniseries. When Costa got his hands on him, he kicked off a very long arc where Bumblebee became the leader of the Autobots. Fans were incredulous about it as anybody, especially since Bumblebee had never been very highly-ranked or very important to the plot, with many blaming AdaptationDisplacement from the films. Pretty much every single story arc featuring Bumblebee was based on the exact same plotline over and over: people aren't sure if Bumblebee should be leader, Bumblebee mopes, Bumblebee does something supposedly cool, everyone agrees Bumblebee should be leader. On top of that, he also [[CharacterDerailment turned]] from a tenacious and somewhat pragmatic scout who was viewed as an equal by his fellows to a whiny little kid who felt more like a mix of the worst traits of every 'Bee ''except'' the one who'd been featuring in comics a few months ago. This plotline continued over dozens of issues, and it wasn't until late in [[ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise John Barber]]'s run that 'Bee finally started to dig his way out (most agree that he [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap finally escaped]] with his [[PlotRelevantAgeUp Goldbug upgrade]], which coincided with him being ousted). And then, in ''ComicBook/TransformersDarkCybertron'', [[spoiler:he dies.]]

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** Bumblebee [[http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/features/thirtieth-anniversary/thirty-greatest-characters/characters/17_Bumblebee.php became this]] throughout the Costa run. He'd been basically well-liked beforehand under Furman, as an understated and fairly cool character who pulled off an awesome fight scene against Skywarp in the first miniseries. When Costa got his hands on him, he kicked off a very long arc where Bumblebee became the leader of the Autobots. Fans were incredulous about it as anybody, especially since Bumblebee had never been very highly-ranked or very important to the plot, with many blaming AdaptationDisplacement from the films. Pretty much every single story arc featuring Bumblebee was based on the exact same plotline over and over: people aren't sure if Bumblebee should be leader, Bumblebee mopes, Bumblebee does something supposedly cool, everyone agrees Bumblebee should be leader. On top of that, he also [[CharacterDerailment turned]] from a tenacious and somewhat pragmatic scout who was viewed as an equal by his fellows to a whiny little kid who felt more like a mix of the worst traits of every 'Bee ''except'' the one who'd been featuring in comics a few months ago. This plotline continued over dozens of issues, and it wasn't until late in [[ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise [[ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise John Barber]]'s run that 'Bee finally started to dig his way out (most agree that he [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap finally escaped]] with his [[PlotRelevantAgeUp Goldbug upgrade]], which coincided with him being ousted). And then, in ''ComicBook/TransformersDarkCybertron'', ''ComicBook/TheTransformersDarkCybertron'', [[spoiler:he dies.]]
7th Nov '15 7:15:01 AM StFan
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** Bumblebee [[http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/features/thirtieth-anniversary/thirty-greatest-characters/characters/17_Bumblebee.php became this]] throughout the Costa run. He'd been basically well-liked beforehand under Furman, as an understated and fairly cool character who pulled off an awesome fight scene against Skywarp in the first miniseries. When Costa got his hands on him, he kicked off a very long arc where Bumblebee became the leader of the Autobots. Fans were incredulous about it as anybody, especially since Bumblebee had never been very highly-ranked or very important to the plot, with many blaming AdaptationDisplacement from the films. Pretty much every single story arc featuring Bumblebee was based on the exact same plotline over and over: people aren't sure if Bumblebee should be leader, Bumblebee mopes, Bumblebee does something supposedly cool, everyone agrees Bumblebee should be leader. On top of that, he also [[CharacterDerailment turned]] from a tenacious and somewhat pragmatic scout who was viewed as an equal by his fellows to a whiny little kid who felt more like a mix of the worst traits of every 'Bee ''except'' the one who'd been featuring in comics a few months ago. This plotline continued over dozens of issues, and it wasn't until late in [[ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise John Barber]]'s run that 'Bee finally started to dig his way out (most agree that he [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap finally escaped]] with his [[PlotRelevantAgeUp Goldbug upgrade]], which coincided with him being ousted). And then, in ComicBook/DarkCybertron, [[spoiler:he dies.]]

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** Bumblebee [[http://www.tfarchive.com/fandom/features/thirtieth-anniversary/thirty-greatest-characters/characters/17_Bumblebee.php became this]] throughout the Costa run. He'd been basically well-liked beforehand under Furman, as an understated and fairly cool character who pulled off an awesome fight scene against Skywarp in the first miniseries. When Costa got his hands on him, he kicked off a very long arc where Bumblebee became the leader of the Autobots. Fans were incredulous about it as anybody, especially since Bumblebee had never been very highly-ranked or very important to the plot, with many blaming AdaptationDisplacement from the films. Pretty much every single story arc featuring Bumblebee was based on the exact same plotline over and over: people aren't sure if Bumblebee should be leader, Bumblebee mopes, Bumblebee does something supposedly cool, everyone agrees Bumblebee should be leader. On top of that, he also [[CharacterDerailment turned]] from a tenacious and somewhat pragmatic scout who was viewed as an equal by his fellows to a whiny little kid who felt more like a mix of the worst traits of every 'Bee ''except'' the one who'd been featuring in comics a few months ago. This plotline continued over dozens of issues, and it wasn't until late in [[ComicBook/TransformersRobotsInDisguise John Barber]]'s run that 'Bee finally started to dig his way out (most agree that he [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap finally escaped]] with his [[PlotRelevantAgeUp Goldbug upgrade]], which coincided with him being ousted). And then, in ComicBook/DarkCybertron, ''ComicBook/TransformersDarkCybertron'', [[spoiler:he dies.]]
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