History CreatorsPet / ComicBooks

13th Nov '16 12:38:11 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating [[EverythingIsRacist hatred of Stewart as racism]], which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character. Fast forward a couple of years when [=McDuffie=] took over the ''Justice League of America'' comic and he was told to use John instead of Hal as the Justice League of America's Green Lantern on orders from above (partly because Hal was being given [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice HIS JLA TEAM!]]). Sadly for [=McDuffie=], [[FanDumb fandom took the change badly]], not helped in the least by the fact that Hal's JLA spin-off was delayed and reduced to a mini-series when it became apparent that James Robinson's artist was never going to get the book done on time. This lead to Hal returning to the title until his book was ready, followed by John's reinstatement just long enough for him to be bounced again and replaced with Hal until he was quickly replaced with Jade when they needed a book to focus on her ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' storyline. The entire process was made progressively worse and worse by ExecutiveMeddling, in case you couldn't tell. And when [=McDuffie=] had the ''gall'' to describe this and the other creative difficulties on his forum (without assigning blame or complaining), DC [[ShootTheMessenger responded by firing him]].

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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating [[EverythingIsRacist hatred of Stewart as racism]], which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character. Fast forward a couple of years when [=McDuffie=] took over the ''Justice League of America'' comic and he was told to use John instead of Hal as the Justice League of America's Green Lantern on orders from above (partly because Hal was being given [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice HIS JLA TEAM!]]). Sadly for [=McDuffie=], [[FanDumb fandom took the change badly]], not helped in the least by the fact that Hal's JLA spin-off was delayed and reduced to a mini-series when it became apparent that James Robinson's artist was never going to get the book done on time. This lead to Hal returning to the title until his book was ready, followed by John's reinstatement just long enough for him to be bounced again and replaced with Hal until he was quickly replaced with Jade when they needed a book to focus on her ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' storyline. The entire process was made progressively worse and worse by ExecutiveMeddling, in case you couldn't tell. And when [=McDuffie=] had the ''gall'' to describe this and the other creative difficulties on his forum (without assigning blame or complaining), DC [[ShootTheMessenger responded by firing him]].
8th Nov '16 4:40:21 PM dlchen145
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** Cammi is another one - while nobody denies she is an experienced survivalist and {{Badass}}, she is also set up as an unquestionable team leader in the second arc and other characters, including those who actually are experienced leaders (Nico Minoru, Reptil), follow her without a question and even ask what they should do in situations which they should be better suited to handle in the first place. And worst of all, she keeps this position despite making stupid decisions and when Cullen finally calls her on it, it's treated as him having an emotional breakdown, not [[StrawmanHasAPoint pointing out how an horribly incompetent leader she is]].

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** Cammi is another one - while nobody denies she is an experienced survivalist and {{Badass}}, badass, she is also set up as an unquestionable team leader in the second arc and other characters, including those who actually are experienced leaders (Nico Minoru, Reptil), follow her without a question and even ask what they should do in situations which they should be better suited to handle in the first place. And worst of all, she keeps this position despite making stupid decisions and when Cullen finally calls her on it, it's treated as him having an emotional breakdown, not [[StrawmanHasAPoint pointing out how an horribly incompetent leader she is]].



* Drift from IDW's ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW Transformers]]'' comic hit this status before he even debuted because the promotion of the character was so obnoxious. He was hyped up at conventions as "The [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of ''Transformers,''" which struck many fans as odd because Grimlock has a lock on that role. Drift has a Weeaboo vibe thanks to the rising sun motif and GratuitousJapanese on his car mode, as well as being described as a "drift-racing Transformer" created because he filled a niche no other character could (never mind the LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters in Transformers and the fact that at least one drift racer already existed). He boasts ImplausibleFencingPowers, an annoying arrogant smirk that ''never goes away,'' and copious shilling from fan-favorite Kup. He debuted alongside the Wreckers, a group of well-loved {{badass}}es, with no explanation except that everyone thinks he's so awesome. There are even instances of characters asking where he is when he's off screen. Oh, and did we mention that he's some sort of mysterious wild card who is not really an Autobot but is trusted by Kup and company anyway? Essentially, he's a heavily promoted character who is cool because the comic tells us he's cool and lets him curb stomp scary Insecticon drones (while wearing ''that Primus-damned smirk'') and impress the actually likable characters. The similarity to ''TheSimpsons'' parody of Creator's Pets has led Transformers fans to start a meme of quoting "The Itchy & Scratchy & [[ShooOutTheNewGuy Poochie]] Show" in reference to Drift, hoping desperately that his home planet needs him and that he dies on the way back.

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* Drift from IDW's ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW Transformers]]'' comic hit this status before he even debuted because the promotion of the character was so obnoxious. He was hyped up at conventions as "The [[WolverinePublicity Wolverine]] of ''Transformers,''" which struck many fans as odd because Grimlock has a lock on that role. Drift has a Weeaboo vibe thanks to the rising sun motif and GratuitousJapanese on his car mode, as well as being described as a "drift-racing Transformer" created because he filled a niche no other character could (never mind the LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters in Transformers and the fact that at least one drift racer already existed). He boasts ImplausibleFencingPowers, an annoying arrogant smirk that ''never goes away,'' and copious shilling from fan-favorite Kup. He debuted alongside the Wreckers, a group of well-loved {{badass}}es, badasses, with no explanation except that everyone thinks he's so awesome. There are even instances of characters asking where he is when he's off screen. Oh, and did we mention that he's some sort of mysterious wild card who is not really an Autobot but is trusted by Kup and company anyway? Essentially, he's a heavily promoted character who is cool because the comic tells us he's cool and lets him curb stomp scary Insecticon drones (while wearing ''that Primus-damned smirk'') and impress the actually likable characters. The similarity to ''TheSimpsons'' parody of Creator's Pets has led Transformers fans to start a meme of quoting "The Itchy & Scratchy & [[ShooOutTheNewGuy Poochie]] Show" in reference to Drift, hoping desperately that his home planet needs him and that he dies on the way back.
24th Sep '16 11:45:04 AM Dere
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* ComicBook/MilesMorales has become infamous for being Bendis' creator's pet. Despite being an new, amateur kid hero, he has the tendency to beat everyone when written by Bendis (which is all the time), including his far more experienced predecessor Peter Parker from the main universe. The worst example was probably Miles defeating the uber powerful EldritchAbomination Darkheart, ''just after this one had taken out all the other heroes''.

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* ComicBook/MilesMorales has become infamous for being Bendis' creator's pet. Despite being an new, amateur kid hero, he has the tendency to beat everyone when written by Bendis (which is all the time), including his far more experienced predecessor Peter Parker from the main universe. The worst example was probably Miles defeating the uber powerful EldritchAbomination Darkheart, Blackheart, ''just after this one had taken out all the other heroes''.
7th Sep '16 6:39:51 AM Dere
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* ComicBook/MilesMorales has become infamous for being Bendis' creator's pet. Despite being an new, amateur kid hero, he has the tendency to beat everyone when written by Bendis (which is all the time), including his far more experienced predecessor Peter Parker from the main universe. The worst example was probably Miles defeating the uber powerful EldritchAbomination Darkheart, ''just after this one had taken out all the other heroes''.
15th Aug '16 10:33:58 PM XSpectreGreyX
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** There's also the amount of focus she gets. ''ComicBook/BatmanEternal'' and ''CmicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal'' were both advertised to feature the return of Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain, respectively (the second was also about the Robins). While they do get their origins and appear, Harper also gets ''extensive'' focus, even overshadowing the two in many people's eyes. It's basically advertising that your comic will feature the return of a fan-favourite character... and it does, but more heavily features your own original character that people don't like.

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** *** There's also the amount of focus she gets. ''ComicBook/BatmanEternal'' and ''CmicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal'' were both advertised to feature the return of Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain, respectively (the second was also about the Robins). While they do get their origins and appear, Harper also gets ''extensive'' focus, even overshadowing the two in many people's eyes. It's basically advertising that your comic will feature the return of a fan-favourite character... and it does, but more heavily features your own original character that people don't like.
15th Aug '16 10:33:45 PM XSpectreGreyX
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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post-ComicBook/New52 veto on Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest {{Determinator}} in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent {{Jerkass}}-ness.

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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post-ComicBook/New52 veto on Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest {{Determinator}} in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent {{Jerkass}}-ness. And she's also an uber tech genius that surpasses Tim Drake (''the'' tech guy in the Bat-fam) somehow despite debuting with basic skills based on electronics. Oh, and she becomes an InstantExpert and is able to pull of advanced acrobatics and fighting despite barely being trained.
** There's also the amount of focus she gets. ''ComicBook/BatmanEternal'' and ''CmicBook/BatmanAndRobinEternal'' were both advertised to feature the return of Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain, respectively (the second was also about the Robins). While they do get their origins and appear, Harper also gets ''extensive'' focus, even overshadowing the two in many people's eyes. It's basically advertising that your comic will feature the return of a fan-favourite character... and it does, but more heavily features your own original character that people don't like.
10th Jul '16 11:52:23 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* Kate Bishop in ''{{ComicBook/Hawkeye}}'' normally ''isn't'' this, being given plenty of panel time while not overshadowing Hawkeye, her mentor and the main protagonist. However during Jeff Lemiere's run on the book during ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', she seemed to be suddenly suck up loads of attention and was shilled massively, being depicted as much better at fighting than Hawkeye to the point that a villain at one point calls her "the ''real'' Hawkeye" for no particular reason. This may have been an attempt to reverse BadassDecay Kate suffered in the previous writer's run, but if so many fans feel that Lemiere went way overboard.

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* Kate Bishop in ''{{ComicBook/Hawkeye}}'' normally ''isn't'' this, being given plenty of panel time while not overshadowing Hawkeye, her mentor and the main protagonist. However during Jeff Lemiere's Lemire's run on the book during ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', she seemed to be suddenly suck up loads of attention and was shilled massively, being depicted as much better at fighting than Hawkeye to the point that a villain at one point calls her "the ''real'' Hawkeye" for no particular reason. This may have been an attempt to reverse BadassDecay Kate suffered in the previous writer's run, but if so many fans feel that Lemiere Lemire went way overboard.
9th Jul '16 10:42:04 PM Anddrix
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* Mary Jane Watson of the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' comics is an ''inversion'': Most of the fans like her and want stories featuring her, while creators (''especially'' Creator/JoeQuesada) hate her and are willing to ruin the franchise to get rid of her. This ''might'' be because they were [[RunningTheAsylum readers when they were young]], when MJ became the target of DieForOurShip from Gwen fans following Gwen's death, and MJ and Peter's marriage became a BaseBreaker move. As MJ went through massive amounts of character development and became a much more beloved character, a combination of lazy writers using her in uncreative ways during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' and old hatred of her and/or the marriage led to people like Quesada gaining control over the writing.

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* Mary Jane Watson of the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' comics is an ''inversion'': Most of the fans like her and want stories featuring her, while creators (''especially'' Creator/JoeQuesada) hate her and are willing to ruin the franchise to get rid of her. This ''might'' be because they were [[RunningTheAsylum readers when they were young]], when MJ became the target of DieForOurShip from Gwen fans following Gwen's death, and MJ and Peter's marriage became a BaseBreaker divisive move. As MJ went through massive amounts of character development and became a much more beloved character, a combination of lazy writers using her in uncreative ways during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' and old hatred of her and/or the marriage led to people like Quesada gaining control over the writing.



* Kitty Pryde became Peter Parker's girlfriend in ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' and, after they broke up, remained a part of the cast and was fit into as many plotlines as possible. Creator/BrianMichaelBendis has gone on the record to state that [[AuthorAppeal he's always liked Kitty Pryde from back when he was a kid]] and that he enjoys using her... combine that with a statement he made about Peter "being him" and the conclusion to come to is pretty easy. [[BaseBreaker Some don't mind the attention paid to her... but others do.]]

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* Kitty Pryde became Peter Parker's girlfriend in ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' and, after they broke up, remained a part of the cast and was fit into as many plotlines as possible. Creator/BrianMichaelBendis has gone on the record to state that [[AuthorAppeal he's always liked Kitty Pryde from back when he was a kid]] and that he enjoys using her... combine that with a statement he made about Peter "being him" and the conclusion to come to is pretty easy. [[BaseBreaker Some don't mind the attention paid to her... but others do.]]



** Different writers have met criticism over over usage of certain cast members. Ken Penders was noted for his expansion of the Echidna brotherhood, which by the end of his run had its population and story background bloated to a convoluted rate. Later writers preferred to limit their numbers and had numerous Echidna characters KilledOffForReal. Ian Flynn however has been noted for his heavy usage of Sally Acorn, reestablishing her as an active Freedom Fighter and love interest for Sonic and giving her a fairly notable role in nearly every arc (ranging from main character to prominent supporting character). Granted in both cases there are still [[BaseBreaker a fair amount of supporters]], though it's obvious the fanbase is very polarized by their heavy usage in the comics.

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** Different writers have met criticism over over usage of certain cast members. Ken Penders was noted for his expansion of the Echidna brotherhood, which by the end of his run had its population and story background bloated to a convoluted rate. Later writers preferred to limit their numbers and had numerous Echidna characters KilledOffForReal. Ian Flynn however has been noted for his heavy usage of Sally Acorn, reestablishing her as an active Freedom Fighter and love interest for Sonic and giving her a fairly notable role in nearly every arc (ranging from main character to prominent supporting character). Granted in both cases there are still [[BaseBreaker a fair amount of supporters]], supporters, though it's obvious the fanbase is very polarized by their heavy usage in the comics.
26th Jun '16 5:16:50 PM troodos
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** Damian Wayne was this for a while. At first fans couldn't stand his snide attitude, the massive amounts of lenience that he seemed to get for things that some fans found unforgivable[[note]]beating up Tim Drake, and beheading a D-List villain to name a few[[/note]] but Grant Morrison kept using him in his stories. When he eventually became the Robin to Dick Grayson's Batman, many fans complained, but he mostly won naysayers over with him as the "dark, snarky" Robin that Jason Todd failed to be during his tenure (helped greatly by a massive amount of CharacterDevelopment). Now, with [[spoiler:his long-delayed death finally occurring]], more fans are begging for him back than cheering with joy.

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** Damian Wayne was this for a while. At first fans couldn't stand his snide attitude, the massive amounts of lenience that he seemed to get for things that some fans found unforgivable[[note]]beating up Tim Drake, and beheading a D-List villain to name a few[[/note]] but Grant Morrison kept using him in his stories. When he eventually became the Robin to Dick Grayson's Batman, many fans complained, but he mostly won naysayers over with him as the "dark, snarky" Robin that Jason Todd failed to be during his tenure (helped greatly by a massive amount of CharacterDevelopment). Now, with [[spoiler:his long-delayed death finally occurring]], more fans are begging for him back than cheering with joy. He's still considered a CreatorsPet in the animated films, however.
27th May '16 6:21:03 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post-[[ComicBook/New52]] veto on Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest {{Determinator}} in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent {{Jerkass}}-ness.

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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post-[[ComicBook/New52]] post-ComicBook/New52 veto on Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest {{Determinator}} in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent {{Jerkass}}-ness.
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