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12th Jul '17 5:08:02 AM VoxAquila
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* Carlie Cooper of the same series, however, has been playing this '''frustratingly''' straight:

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* Carlie Cooper of Cooper, Franchise/SpiderMan's ReplacementLoveInterest after Marvel ended the same series, however, has been playing this '''frustratingly''' straight:Spider-marriage:
27th Jun '17 6:52:12 AM Austin
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* ComicBook/MilesMorales has become infamous for being Bendis' creator's pet. Despite being an new, amateur kid hero, he has the tendency to beat everyone when written by Bendis (which is all the time), including his far more experienced predecessor Peter Parker from the main universe. The worst example was probably Miles defeating the uber powerful EldritchAbomination Blackheart, ''just after this one had taken out all the other heroes''. This also applies to other characters Bendis creates; both [[ComicBook/XMen Goldballs]] and [[ComicBook/IronMan Riri Williams]] have been pushed heavily outside their own comics and [[CharacterShilling disproportionately praised by other characters]].

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* ComicBook/MilesMorales has become infamous for being Bendis' creator's pet. Despite being an new, amateur kid hero, he has the tendency to beat everyone when written by Bendis (which is all the time), including his far more experienced predecessor Peter Parker from the main universe. The worst example was probably Miles defeating the uber powerful EldritchAbomination Blackheart, ''just after this one had taken out all the other heroes''. This also applies to other characters Bendis creates; both [[ComicBook/XMen Goldballs]] and [[ComicBook/IronMan [[ComicBook/{{Ironheart}} Riri Williams]] have been pushed heavily outside their own comics and [[CharacterShilling disproportionately praised by other characters]].
28th May '17 4:19:13 PM nombretomado
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* Roger Stern ''really'' liked Monica Rambeau, the [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]] of ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'', and actively pushed her into the limelight. He repeatedly had other characters talk about how powerful she was, men gushed over her beauty, and she was even made chairman of the Avengers for a time. The fans never quite took to her, but she was never really hated. She did develop a larger fanbase once WarrenEllis made her a member of the ''Series/{{Nextwave}}'' series.

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* Roger Stern ''really'' liked Monica Rambeau, the [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]] of ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'', and actively pushed her into the limelight. He repeatedly had other characters talk about how powerful she was, men gushed over her beauty, and she was even made chairman of the Avengers for a time. The fans never quite took to her, but she was never really hated. She did develop a larger fanbase once WarrenEllis Creator/WarrenEllis made her a member of the ''Series/{{Nextwave}}'' series.
23rd May '17 9:14:17 AM DrPopo
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* ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' had several, most of them original characters. The biggest one is probably Apex. She is supposed to be one of the smartest people on the Murderworld, but she was only successful because everybody she went against grabbed an IdiotBall much bigger than the one she carries around, and because stronger characters were subjected to TheWorfEffect to make her look cooler, especially [[spoiler: Darkhawk - she can effortlessly take control over his armor and even break its bond with the host]]. When her plan from the first arc blew up in her face, it's treated as a big accomplishment by the other side, literally being said to be beating her at her own game, despite the fact she made many stupid mistakes that lead to her failure - many people see it as CharacterShilling. Many plot points ends up [[CharacterFocus revolving about her, even if they shouldn't]], [[spoiler: like the broken trust between Chase and Nico]]. In the second arc, she [[spoiler: kills Juston, takes control over the Sentinel, Deathlocket, and Darkhawk and uses them to effortlessly curbstomp X-23 and Nico Minoru]], effectively dominating every established character who could be seen as a threat, and is only defeated thanks to a writer-breaking rules under which Nico's magic work to give one of them necessary powerup to fight her off. Also, Deathlocket, one of series initial [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has been turned into SatelliteCharacter, who only exists to make Apex look that much more interesting. Apex is also the only character to get more than one focus issue: [[spoiler: #9, which tells her origin, and #12, which is told from her perspective]], while some established characters (like [[spoiler: Mettle, Red Raven and Juston]]) didn't get a single one before they died. Critics of the series started calling her [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Neelix]] to express how annoying she is.
** Cammi is another one - while nobody denies she is an experienced survivalist and badass, she is also set up as an unquestionable team leader in the second arc and other characters, including those who actually are experienced leaders (Nico Minoru, Reptil), follow her without a question and even ask what they should do in situations which they should be better suited to handle in the first place. And worst of all, she keeps this position despite making stupid decisions and when Cullen finally calls her on it, it's treated as him having an emotional breakdown, not [[StrawmanHasAPoint pointing out how an horribly incompetent leader she is]].
** And she only gets worse in ''Avengers Undercover''. She is the one person damaged the least by Arena and the unquestionable leader of the group, the only one to oppose idea of killing Arcade, the only one whose family and friends doesn't seem to turn on when they get arrested after one of them kills him, and the only one to refuse Baron Zemo's offer and the plan of taking down the Masters of Evil from inside, because she wants to stay morally pure. She goes on to play AuthorAvatar when she says how "people've been hating us for six months now, so I don't care how much more hate I get" (it should be noted that only 3 months passed in-universe and Arena survivors were supposedly seen as celebrities, so it's clear the jab at the hatedom). When she tries to leave, effectively abandoning her supposed friends in the hands of the villains, it's supposed to be seen as the right decision, and when she is attacked by Constrictor, it's supposed to be a dramatic moment (when in fact most of people either laughed or ground their teeth at Constrictor's CharacterDerailment). And of course in the finale she steals Arcade's godmode-technology and single-handedly defeats Zemo and Masters of Evil, solves everything, and flies off to space, like if somebody realized she turned into a Poochie.
** Other Braddock Academy kids, especially Cullen Bloodstone and Anachronism, are this to a certain point as well, because, with the exception of Cammi, other characters rarely get a chance to show any initiative and are constantly DemotedToExtra and subjected to the WorfEffect to make them look better.
** Anachronism got worse in Undercover, where suddenly he is hailed as great leader material and Hazmat suddenly gets over her dead boyfriend and falls for him out of nowhere. Made worse by the fact many consider him to be Dennis Hopeless's self-insert.
** And of course Arcade is one too, being portrayed as a genius who managed to outsmart everybody in the MarvelUniverse to have his sick game run for a month without anybody noticing, when in reality his plan worked only because everybody who could stop him had either been handed the IdiotBall or been written as uncaring jerks. We're supposed to see him as a clever mastermind who manipulated the cast into fighting each other to death for his amusement, when in reality he needs to make one ham-fisted interference after another to try make the kids play his game, clearly showing he didn't think his plan through. Furthermore, with three exceptions, two of which don't really count anyway [[spoiler:(Apex, who was already playing without his push, and X-23, whom he can get to play if he sprays everybody with Trigger Scent, that sets her into state of uncontrollable rage, which cannot be counted as playing on her own will)]], all of them failed. In the last arc, when everybody starts fighting each other, Arcade claims he broke the kids, and we're supposed to see him as right. There's only one that has been lead naturally to the point where he has understandable reasons to try to kill somebody else [[spoiler:(Aiden trying to avenge Nara)]]. Others not only don't have one, but one of them [[spoiler:(Nico Minoru)]] experienced things that make her suddenly trying to kill others make no sense whatsoever [[spoiler:(she died and came back to life to save the same people she now suddenly tries to kill)]] - it comes out as CharacterDerailment for the sake of validating Arcade's claims. It also happens after Arcade rants in defense of making the game last thirty days, which looks like [[AuthorAvatar Dennis Hopeless putting words in his mouth in defense of a commonly criticized plot point]].
** And he too gets worse in ''Undercover'' - suddenly the whole world loves watching the videos of Murderworld he put on Youtube, and a single of them has more views than everything most popular Youtubers did combined, despite the fact that a) they would be instantly pulled down for violating Youtube terms of service and b) they are videos of kids being killed. Arcade is hailed by media as some underestimated genius and the kids who survived it are seen as celebrities. Nico gets even chewed by Chase for daring to be traumatized by Arena - [[TakeThatCritics she should accept Arcade won and enjoy the fame]]. When the kids supposedly kill him, it's seen as first-degree murder by SHIELD and their friends and family immediately turn on them. And in the end he gets away with everything again - not even being killed, just losing his godmode powers. Even Baron Zemo, fan-favorite villain, says he disapproves what Arcade did, but still goes on a page-long series of praises to him.
10th May '17 2:43:26 PM DarkPhoenix94
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* [[ComicBook/XMen Quinten Quire]] started off as a minor character, basically the super-powered mutant equivalent of a school shooter and a teenaged sociopath who manipulated others into joining a small cult of wannabe Magnetos, before dying of a drug overdose of sorts. He was revived a few times, before finally returning during ''Schism'', serving as one source of the conflict between Wolverine and Cyclops to push them apart further, before joining Wolverine's school. He's continued to be written by Jason Aaron, who's since then made him one of the main characters, including being the main student, of his run, with him being at the front of every big event he writes, including his future self being the Phoenix in ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom''. All of this, despite being largely loathed by vocal aspects of fandom. Every writer tends to have one kid they push, and usually it works. This case, however, it most certainly has not, and isn't helped by his continued use.

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* [[ComicBook/XMen Quinten Quentin Quire]] started off as a minor character, basically the super-powered mutant equivalent of a school shooter and a teenaged sociopath who manipulated others into joining a small cult of wannabe Magnetos, before dying of a drug overdose of sorts. He was revived a few times, before finally returning during ''Schism'', serving as one source of the conflict between Wolverine and Cyclops to push them apart further, before joining Wolverine's school. He's continued to be written by Jason Aaron, who's since then made him one of the main characters, including being the main student, of his run, with him being at the front of every big event he writes, including his future self being the Phoenix in ''ComicBook/BattleOfTheAtom''. All of this, despite being largely loathed by vocal aspects of fandom. Every writer tends to have one kid they push, and usually it works. This case, however, it most certainly has not, and isn't helped by his continued use.
4th May '17 10:13:40 PM EponymousKid
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* Apex from ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' is this in the eyes of many critics. She is supposed to be one of the smartest people on the Murderworld, but she was only successful because everybody she went against grabbed an IdiotBall much bigger than the one she carries around, and because stronger characters were subjected to TheWorfEffect to make her look cooler, especially [[spoiler: Darkhawk - she can effortlessly take control over his armor and even break its bond with the host]]. When her plan from the first arc blew up in her face, it's treated as a big accomplishment by the other side, literally being said to be beating her at her own game, despite the fact she made many stupid mistakes that lead to her failure - many people see it as CharacterShilling. Many plot points ends up [[CharacterFocus revolving about her, even if they shouldn't]], [[spoiler: like the broken trust between Chase and Nico]]. In the second arc, she [[spoiler: kills Juston, takes control over the Sentinel, Deathlocket, and Darkhawk and uses them to effortlessly curbstomp X-23 and Nico Minoru]], effectively dominating every established character who could be seen as a threat, and is only defeated thanks to a writer-breaking rules under which Nico's magic work to give one of them necessary powerup to fight her off. Also, Deathlocket, one of series initial [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has been turned into SatelliteCharacter, who only exists to make Apex look that much more interesting. Apex is also the only character to get more than one focus issue: [[spoiler: #9, which tells her origin, and #12, which is told from her perspective]], while some established characters (like [[spoiler: Mettle, Red Raven and Juston]]) didn't get a single one before they died. Critics of the series started calling her [[Series/StarTrekVoyager Neelix]] to express how annoying she is.
** Cammi is another one - while nobody denies she is an experienced survivalist and badass, she is also set up as an unquestionable team leader in the second arc and other characters, including those who actually are experienced leaders (Nico Minoru, Reptil), follow her without a question and even ask what they should do in situations which they should be better suited to handle in the first place. And worst of all, she keeps this position despite making stupid decisions and when Cullen finally calls her on it, it's treated as him having an emotional breakdown, not [[StrawmanHasAPoint pointing out how an horribly incompetent leader she is]].
** And she only gets worse in ''Avengers Undercover''. She is the one person damaged the least by Arena and the unquestionable leader of the group, the only one to oppose idea of killing Arcade, the only one whose family and friends doesn't seem to turn on when they get arrested after one of them kills him, and the only one to refuse Baron Zemo's offer and the plan of taking down the Masters of Evil from inside, because she wants to stay morally pure. She goes on to play AuthorAvatar when she says how "people've been hating us for six months now, so I don't care how much more hate I get" (it should be noted that only 3 months passed in-universe and Arena survivors were supposedly seen as celebrities, so it's clear the jab at the hatedom). When she tries to leave, effectively abandoning her supposed friends in the hands of the villains, it's supposed to be seen as the right decision, and when she is attacked by Constrictor, it's supposed to be a dramatic moment (when in fact most of people either laughed or ground their teeth at Constrictor's CharacterDerailment). And of course in the finale she steals Arcade's godmode-technology and single-handedly defeats Zemo and Masters of Evil, solves everything, and flies off to space, like if somebody realized she turned into a Poochie.
** Other Braddock Academy kids, especially Cullen Bloodstone and Anachronism, are this to a certain point as well, because, with the exception of Cammi, other characters rarely get a chance to show any initiative and are constantly DemotedToExtra and subjected to the WorfEffect to make them look better.
** Anachronism got worse in Undercover, where suddenly he is hailed as great leader material and Hazmat suddenly gets over her dead boyfriend and falls for him out of nowhere. Made worse by the fact many consider him to be Dennis Hopeless's self-insert.
** And of course Arcade is one too, being portrayed as a genius who managed to outsmart everybody in the MarvelUniverse to have his sick game run for a month without anybody noticing, when in reality his plan worked only because everybody who could stop him had either been handed the IdiotBall or been written as uncaring jerks. We're supposed to see him as a clever mastermind who manipulated the cast into fighting each other to death for his amusement, when in reality he needs to make one ham-fisted interference after another to try make the kids play his game, clearly showing he didn't think his plan through. Furthermore, with three exceptions, two of which don't really count anyway [[spoiler:(Apex, who was already playing without his push, and X-23, whom he can get to play if he sprays everybody with Trigger Scent, that sets her into state of uncontrollable rage, which cannot be counted as playing on her own will)]], all of them failed. In the last arc, when everybody starts fighting each other, Arcade claims he broke the kids, and we're supposed to see him as right. There's only one that has been lead naturally to the point where he has understandable reasons to try to kill somebody else [[spoiler:(Aiden trying to avenge Nara)]]. Others not only don't have one, but one of them [[spoiler:(Nico Minoru)]] experienced things that make her suddenly trying to kill others make no sense whatsoever [[spoiler:(she died and came back to life to save the same people she now suddenly tries to kill)]] - it comes out as CharacterDerailment for the sake of validating Arcade's claims. It also happens after Arcade rants in defense of making the game last thirty days, which looks like [[AuthorAvatar Dennis Hopeless putting words in his mouth in defense of a commonly criticized plot point]].
** And he too gets worse in ''Undercover'' - suddenly the whole world loves watching the videos of Murderworld he put on Youtube, and a single of them has more views than everything most popular Youtubers did combined, despite the fact that a) they would be instantly pulled down for violating Youtube terms of service and b) they are videos of kids being killed. Arcade is hailed by media as some underestimated genius and the kids who survived it are seen as celebrities. Nico gets even chewed by Chase for daring to be traumatized by Arena - [[TakeThatCritics she should accept Arcade won and enjoy the fame]]. When the kids supposedly kill him, it's seen as first-degree murder by SHIELD and their friends and family immediately turn on them. And in the end he gets away with everything again - not even being killed, just losing his godmode powers. Even Baron Zemo, fan-favorite villain, says he disapproves what Arcade did, but still goes on a page-long series of praises to him.
29th Apr '17 10:23:45 PM Isaac_Heller
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* [[ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} Deathstroke]] was also Wolfman's Creator's Pet for most of his run. When George Perez left ''The New Teen Titans'', Wolfman had free reign over Deathstroke's character, and it seemed that he had no objectivity where he was concerned. In a very jarring, sudden turn of events, Deathstroke became a KarmaHoudini for his actions, his [[CharacterizationMarchesOn earlier characterization forgotten]] and now established as an AntiVillain who bore the Titans no ill will[[note]](When Perez was still on the title, Deathstroke blamed the Titans for his son's death and took very clear, visible pleasure in setting them up to be betrayed and murdered[[/note]] turned AntiHero, being EasilyForgiven and becoming a father-figure and ''friend'' of the Titans, including his biggest victims Nightwing, Changeling, and his own son Jericho who was rendered mute because of him. Wolfman has also stated repeatedly that he never saw Deathstroke as a villain, but as a victim of circumstance stuck in a bad situation, whose actions (including [[UnfortunateImplications sleeping with a teenage girl]]) weren't truly his fault.

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* [[ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} Deathstroke]] was also Wolfman's Creator's Pet for most of his run. When George Perez left ''The New Teen Titans'', Wolfman had free reign over Deathstroke's character, and it seemed that he had no objectivity where he was concerned. In a very jarring, sudden turn of events, Deathstroke became a KarmaHoudini for his actions, his [[CharacterizationMarchesOn earlier characterization forgotten]] and now established as an AntiVillain who bore the Titans no ill will[[note]](When Perez was still on the title, Deathstroke blamed the Titans for his son's death and took very clear, visible pleasure in setting them up to be betrayed and murdered[[/note]] murdered)[[/note]] turned AntiHero, being EasilyForgiven and becoming a father-figure and ''friend'' of the Titans, including his biggest victims Nightwing, Changeling, and his own son Jericho who was rendered mute because of him. Wolfman has also stated repeatedly that he never saw Deathstroke as a villain, but as a victim of circumstance stuck in a bad situation, whose actions (including [[UnfortunateImplications sleeping with a teenage girl]]) weren't truly his fault.
29th Apr '17 10:22:29 PM Isaac_Heller
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** The second ComicBook/WonderGirl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.

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* [[ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} Deathstroke]] was also Wolfman's Creator's Pet for most of his run. When George Perez left ''The New Teen Titans'', Wolfman had free reign over Deathstroke's character, and it seemed that he had no objectivity where he was concerned. In a very jarring, sudden turn of events, Deathstroke became a KarmaHoudini for his actions, his [[CharacterizationMarchesOn earlier characterization forgotten]] and now established as an AntiVillain who bore the Titans no ill will[[note]](When Perez was still on the title, Deathstroke blamed the Titans for his son's death and took very clear, visible pleasure in setting them up to be betrayed and murdered[[/note]] turned AntiHero, being EasilyForgiven and becoming a father-figure and ''friend'' of the Titans, including his biggest victims Nightwing, Changeling, and his own son Jericho who was rendered mute because of him. Wolfman has also stated repeatedly that he never saw Deathstroke as a villain, but as a victim of circumstance stuck in a bad situation, whose actions (including [[UnfortunateImplications sleeping with a teenage girl]]) weren't truly his fault.
** He was Brad Meltzer's Creator's Pet as well, although ironically Meltzer went in the ''opposite'' direction from Wolfman. Instead of attempting to canonly apply the DracoInLeatherPants treatment to him, Meltzer made Deathstroke an unabashed villain who was just [[VillainSue so good at what he did]], being both an invincible fighter and unparalleled DiabolicalMastermind. This was best shown in the notorious scene of ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' where Deathstroke singlehandedly [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomps]] the ''entire Justice League''. Meltzer was clearly a tad ''too'' enamored with Deathstroke as a villain.
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The second ComicBook/WonderGirl, Cassie Sandsmark, was felt to be this after she became team leader in ''Teen Titans'' volume 3. While talked up as a leader by the writers, Cassie didn't really do all that much and more page time was often given to her acting obnoxiously condescending or being a {{Jerkass}} to her boyfriend. Fans also felt insulted when Felicia Henderson brought Beast Boy back to the team: Rather than give him his leader role back, Henderson had Cassie continue to be leader while lacking any character development, while the older and more experienced Gar was demoted to obnoxious comic relief and treated as if he were younger.
17th Feb '17 2:05:37 PM SniperJ
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* ComicBook/MilesMorales has become infamous for being Bendis' creator's pet. Despite being an new, amateur kid hero, he has the tendency to beat everyone when written by Bendis (which is all the time), including his far more experienced predecessor Peter Parker from the main universe. The worst example was probably Miles defeating the uber powerful EldritchAbomination Blackheart, ''just after this one had taken out all the other heroes''.

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* ComicBook/MilesMorales has become infamous for being Bendis' creator's pet. Despite being an new, amateur kid hero, he has the tendency to beat everyone when written by Bendis (which is all the time), including his far more experienced predecessor Peter Parker from the main universe. The worst example was probably Miles defeating the uber powerful EldritchAbomination Blackheart, ''just after this one had taken out all the other heroes''.
heroes''. This also applies to other characters Bendis creates; both [[ComicBook/XMen Goldballs]] and [[ComicBook/IronMan Riri Williams]] have been pushed heavily outside their own comics and [[CharacterShilling disproportionately praised by other characters]].
29th Jan '17 1:26:39 PM Acomicfan1
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* Mary Jane Watson of the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' comics is an ''inversion'': Most of the fans like her and want stories featuring her, while creators (''especially'' Creator/JoeQuesada) hate her and are willing to ruin the franchise to get rid of her. This ''might'' be because they were [[RunningTheAsylum readers when they were young]], when MJ became the target of DieForOurShip from Gwen fans following Gwen's death, and MJ and Peter's marriage became a divisive move. As MJ went through massive amounts of character development and became a much more beloved character, a combination of lazy writers using her in uncreative ways during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' and old hatred of her and/or the marriage led to people like Quesada gaining control over the writing.



* Slott does it again with Morlun. In his original appearance in ''The Other'', Morlun was a very unpopular character. He was a textbook GenericDoomsdayVillain that got repeatedly shilled as Spider-Man's greatest enemy ever, he didn't seem to fit in Spidey's rogues gallery, he got killed off twice and it didn't stick, and he featured in a story arc that mostly existed to introduce basically-unneeded retcons. Slott had a talent for taking lame old characters and [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap refurbishing them into properly-liked ones]], so he decided to try his hand at Morlun, introducing his family, the Inheritors, and making him and them the primary villains of ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse''. However, the reinvention was a complete failure; not only was Morlun still a GenericDoomsdayVillain, but so was everyone else in his family, and consequently, it felt like about 80% of the comic was devoted to Morlun and the other Inheritors hunting down alternate Spider-Men and [[CListFodder murdering them.]] On top of that, though he doesn't achieve his goals, he does survive the series, which suggests that he'll be back soon enough (against the wishes of just about everyone).
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