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10th Jul '16 11:52:23 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* Kate Bishop in ''{{ComicBook/Hawkeye}}'' normally ''isn't'' this, being given plenty of panel time while not overshadowing Hawkeye, her mentor and the main protagonist. However during Jeff Lemiere's run on the book during ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', she seemed to be suddenly suck up loads of attention and was shilled massively, being depicted as much better at fighting than Hawkeye to the point that a villain at one point calls her "the ''real'' Hawkeye" for no particular reason. This may have been an attempt to reverse BadassDecay Kate suffered in the previous writer's run, but if so many fans feel that Lemiere went way overboard.

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* Kate Bishop in ''{{ComicBook/Hawkeye}}'' normally ''isn't'' this, being given plenty of panel time while not overshadowing Hawkeye, her mentor and the main protagonist. However during Jeff Lemiere's Lemire's run on the book during ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', she seemed to be suddenly suck up loads of attention and was shilled massively, being depicted as much better at fighting than Hawkeye to the point that a villain at one point calls her "the ''real'' Hawkeye" for no particular reason. This may have been an attempt to reverse BadassDecay Kate suffered in the previous writer's run, but if so many fans feel that Lemiere Lemire went way overboard.
9th Jul '16 10:42:04 PM Anddrix
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* Mary Jane Watson of the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' comics is an ''inversion'': Most of the fans like her and want stories featuring her, while creators (''especially'' Creator/JoeQuesada) hate her and are willing to ruin the franchise to get rid of her. This ''might'' be because they were [[RunningTheAsylum readers when they were young]], when MJ became the target of DieForOurShip from Gwen fans following Gwen's death, and MJ and Peter's marriage became a BaseBreaker move. As MJ went through massive amounts of character development and became a much more beloved character, a combination of lazy writers using her in uncreative ways during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' and old hatred of her and/or the marriage led to people like Quesada gaining control over the writing.

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* Mary Jane Watson of the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' comics is an ''inversion'': Most of the fans like her and want stories featuring her, while creators (''especially'' Creator/JoeQuesada) hate her and are willing to ruin the franchise to get rid of her. This ''might'' be because they were [[RunningTheAsylum readers when they were young]], when MJ became the target of DieForOurShip from Gwen fans following Gwen's death, and MJ and Peter's marriage became a BaseBreaker divisive move. As MJ went through massive amounts of character development and became a much more beloved character, a combination of lazy writers using her in uncreative ways during ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' and old hatred of her and/or the marriage led to people like Quesada gaining control over the writing.



* Kitty Pryde became Peter Parker's girlfriend in ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' and, after they broke up, remained a part of the cast and was fit into as many plotlines as possible. Creator/BrianMichaelBendis has gone on the record to state that [[AuthorAppeal he's always liked Kitty Pryde from back when he was a kid]] and that he enjoys using her... combine that with a statement he made about Peter "being him" and the conclusion to come to is pretty easy. [[BaseBreaker Some don't mind the attention paid to her... but others do.]]

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* Kitty Pryde became Peter Parker's girlfriend in ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' and, after they broke up, remained a part of the cast and was fit into as many plotlines as possible. Creator/BrianMichaelBendis has gone on the record to state that [[AuthorAppeal he's always liked Kitty Pryde from back when he was a kid]] and that he enjoys using her... combine that with a statement he made about Peter "being him" and the conclusion to come to is pretty easy. [[BaseBreaker Some don't mind the attention paid to her... but others do.]]



** Different writers have met criticism over over usage of certain cast members. Ken Penders was noted for his expansion of the Echidna brotherhood, which by the end of his run had its population and story background bloated to a convoluted rate. Later writers preferred to limit their numbers and had numerous Echidna characters KilledOffForReal. Ian Flynn however has been noted for his heavy usage of Sally Acorn, reestablishing her as an active Freedom Fighter and love interest for Sonic and giving her a fairly notable role in nearly every arc (ranging from main character to prominent supporting character). Granted in both cases there are still [[BaseBreaker a fair amount of supporters]], though it's obvious the fanbase is very polarized by their heavy usage in the comics.

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** Different writers have met criticism over over usage of certain cast members. Ken Penders was noted for his expansion of the Echidna brotherhood, which by the end of his run had its population and story background bloated to a convoluted rate. Later writers preferred to limit their numbers and had numerous Echidna characters KilledOffForReal. Ian Flynn however has been noted for his heavy usage of Sally Acorn, reestablishing her as an active Freedom Fighter and love interest for Sonic and giving her a fairly notable role in nearly every arc (ranging from main character to prominent supporting character). Granted in both cases there are still [[BaseBreaker a fair amount of supporters]], supporters, though it's obvious the fanbase is very polarized by their heavy usage in the comics.
26th Jun '16 5:16:50 PM troodos
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** Damian Wayne was this for a while. At first fans couldn't stand his snide attitude, the massive amounts of lenience that he seemed to get for things that some fans found unforgivable[[note]]beating up Tim Drake, and beheading a D-List villain to name a few[[/note]] but Grant Morrison kept using him in his stories. When he eventually became the Robin to Dick Grayson's Batman, many fans complained, but he mostly won naysayers over with him as the "dark, snarky" Robin that Jason Todd failed to be during his tenure (helped greatly by a massive amount of CharacterDevelopment). Now, with [[spoiler:his long-delayed death finally occurring]], more fans are begging for him back than cheering with joy.

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** Damian Wayne was this for a while. At first fans couldn't stand his snide attitude, the massive amounts of lenience that he seemed to get for things that some fans found unforgivable[[note]]beating up Tim Drake, and beheading a D-List villain to name a few[[/note]] but Grant Morrison kept using him in his stories. When he eventually became the Robin to Dick Grayson's Batman, many fans complained, but he mostly won naysayers over with him as the "dark, snarky" Robin that Jason Todd failed to be during his tenure (helped greatly by a massive amount of CharacterDevelopment). Now, with [[spoiler:his long-delayed death finally occurring]], more fans are begging for him back than cheering with joy. He's still considered a CreatorsPet in the animated films, however.
27th May '16 6:21:03 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post-[[ComicBook/New52]] veto on Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest {{Determinator}} in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent {{Jerkass}}-ness.

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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post-[[ComicBook/New52]] post-ComicBook/New52 veto on Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest {{Determinator}} in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent {{Jerkass}}-ness.
27th May '16 6:20:38 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post nu52 veto on Cass Cain and Steph Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest Determinator in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent Jerkass -ness.

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** Harper Row. She was created because of the post nu52 post-[[ComicBook/New52]] veto on Cass Cassandra Cain and Steph Stephanie Brown, but since they've come back she's been shilled as basically better than either of them as well as the 'uber Robin'. This includes things like being more determined than Steph (who's famously the biggest Determinator {{Determinator}} in the franchise in terms of never quitting despite horrible odds) and central to every part of Cass' character development to the point where her whole motivation is now based on Harper. We're frequently told how great she is without any evidence and nobody ever calls her out on any of her frequent Jerkass -ness.{{Jerkass}}-ness.
25th May '16 9:48:47 AM KamenRiderKrypton
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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating ** [[EverythingIsRacist hatred of Stewart as racism]], which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character.
Fast forward a couple of years when [=McDuffie=] took over the ''Justice League of America'' comic and he was told to use John instead of Hal as the Justice League of America's Green Lantern on orders from above (partly because Hal was being given [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice HIS JLA TEAM!]]). Sadly for [=McDuffie=], [[FanDumb fandom took the change badly]], not helped in the least by the fact that Hal's JLA spin-off was delayed and reduced to a mini-series when it became apparent that James Robinson's artist was never going to get the book done on time. This lead to Hal returning to the title until his book was ready, followed by John's reinstatement just long enough for him to be bounced again and replaced with Hal until he was quickly replaced with Jade when they needed a book to focus on her ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' storyline. The entire process was made progressively worse and worse by ExecutiveMeddling, in case you couldn't tell. And when [=McDuffie=] had the ''gall'' to describe this and the other creative difficulties on his forum (without assigning blame or complaining), DC [[ShootTheMessenger responded by firing him]].

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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating ** [[EverythingIsRacist hatred of Stewart as racism]], which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character.
character. Fast forward a couple of years when [=McDuffie=] took over the ''Justice League of America'' comic and he was told to use John instead of Hal as the Justice League of America's Green Lantern on orders from above (partly because Hal was being given [[ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice HIS JLA TEAM!]]). Sadly for [=McDuffie=], [[FanDumb fandom took the change badly]], not helped in the least by the fact that Hal's JLA spin-off was delayed and reduced to a mini-series when it became apparent that James Robinson's artist was never going to get the book done on time. This lead to Hal returning to the title until his book was ready, followed by John's reinstatement just long enough for him to be bounced again and replaced with Hal until he was quickly replaced with Jade when they needed a book to focus on her ''ComicBook/BrightestDay'' storyline. The entire process was made progressively worse and worse by ExecutiveMeddling, in case you couldn't tell. And when [=McDuffie=] had the ''gall'' to describe this and the other creative difficulties on his forum (without assigning blame or complaining), DC [[ShootTheMessenger responded by firing him]].



** He also, weirdly, decided to make her a big focus in his Silver Surfer run. Fan reception was no better there, with StrangledByTheReadString occurring as he tried to make readers believe that she was Norrin's true love, when everyone was ''already'' hoping he'd get together with Nova... which he eventually did, when Mantis was written out of the series, to the relief of all.

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** He also, weirdly, decided to make her a big focus in his Silver Surfer run. Fan reception was no better there, with StrangledByTheReadString StrangledByTheRedString occurring as he tried to make readers believe that she was Norrin's true love, when everyone was ''already'' hoping he'd get together with Nova... which he eventually did, when Mantis was written out of the series, to the relief of all.
22nd May '16 8:18:46 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** He also, weirdly, decided to make her a big focus in his Silver Surfer run. Fan reception was no better there, with StrangledByTheReadString occurring as he tried to make readers believe that she was Norrin's true love, when everyone was ''already'' hoping he'd get together with Nova... which he eventually did, when Mantis was written out of the series, to the relief of all.
19th May '16 1:50:07 PM PurpleEmperor
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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating [[EverythingIsRacist hatred of Stewart as racism]], which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character.\\
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* Creator/DwayneMcDuffie had Franchise/GreenLantern John Stewart, though this was largely part of self-fulfilling prophecy; a lot of fans didn't like Stewart for the way he leapfrogged Kyle Rayner (previously established in the animated canon) and longtime comic GL Hal Jordan to be the ''JusticeLeagueUnlimited'' Green Lantern. This led to [=McDuffie=] (a black creator who was quite vocal on what he felt was racism within the TV and comic industry, and who had inherited Stewart on the cartoon from the previous showrunner) making some comments equating ** [[EverythingIsRacist hatred of Stewart as racism]], which led to the widespread notion that Stewart was [=McDuffie=]'s pet character.\\
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16th May '16 1:19:10 PM KlawKalash
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** And yet, to everyone's great surprise, his role in ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' has managed to overcome a lot of the hate he generated under less competent writers. He get's some holes punctured in his incessant moralizing, his spiritualism is written with a more humorous air, his backstory get's some nuance to it, and has some horrible consequences of his well intentioned actions coming back to bite him in the ass and leave him cast adrift. Even the [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Drift_%28G1%29#Notes Transformers Wiki]] admits he's a much more tolerable, if not outright enjoyable, character.

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** And yet, to everyone's great surprise, his role in ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' has managed to overcome a lot of the hate he generated under less competent writers. He get's some holes punctured in his incessant moralizing, his spiritualism is written with a more humorous air, his backstory get's gets some nuance to it, and has some horrible consequences of his well intentioned actions coming back to bite him in the ass and leave him cast adrift. Even the [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Drift_%28G1%29#Notes Transformers Wiki]] admits he's a much more tolerable, if not outright enjoyable, character.
16th May '16 1:04:11 PM KlawKalash
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** Also, she's coming off as a CompositeCharacter to many. Tries hard to invoke the NerdsAreSexy trope, presumably so that she's "on the same intellectual level" as Peter or some such nonsense? '''Deb Whitman'''. Has a tragic past involving her father (really, couldn't even make it the mother? Or another authority figure?), that really doesn't come off as being as bad as '''MJ's''' was. Touted as being the "perfect girl" for Peter, being idolized (this time by people in-universe, as opposed to in fans' memories). '''Gwen Stacy''' (fans hope she will complete this set by dying) ''Falling in love with "plain" ol' Peter Parker?'' '''Mary Jane again'''.

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** Also, she's coming off as a CompositeCharacter to many. Tries hard to invoke the NerdsAreSexy trope, presumably so that she's "on the same intellectual level" as Peter or some such nonsense? '''Deb Whitman'''. Has a tragic past involving her father (really, couldn't even make it the mother? Or another authority figure?), that really doesn't come off as being as bad as '''MJ's''' was. Touted as being the "perfect girl" for Peter, being idolized (this time by people in-universe, as opposed to in fans' memories). memories) '''Gwen Stacy''' (fans hope she will complete this set by dying) ''Falling in love with "plain" ol' Peter Parker?'' '''Mary Jane again'''.
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