History Creator / OrsonWelles

11th Mar '16 12:53:41 PM FF32
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** According to GoreVidal, who lunched with Welles at his favorite restaurant a few times, Welles wore bifurcated suits with fake lapels and buttons stitched on to suggest an actual suit. [[CrazyPrepared Every time they ate together, Vidal was ready to dial 9-11 at a moment's notice]].

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** According to GoreVidal, Creator/GoreVidal, who lunched with Welles at his favorite restaurant a few times, Welles wore bifurcated suits with fake lapels and buttons stitched on to suggest an actual suit. [[CrazyPrepared Every time they ate together, Vidal was ready to dial 9-11 at a moment's notice]].
18th Feb '16 6:57:38 AM Phoenixion
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* ''Too Much Johnson'' (1938) - Based on an 1893 comedic play by William Gillette and shot as a SilentMovie seemingly from 20 years earlier (complete with straw hats, suffragettes, and orthochromatic makeup although [[HitlerCam the director's influence]] was still clear), Welles intended it to be shown in between the acts of a live performance of the play to expand on the action; unfortunately, he found out too late that the theater it was meant to be shown in couldn't accommodate a movie screen, so it was never exhibited as intended. It was thought to have become a LostEpisode when Welles's personal copy burnt up in a fire in 1970, but a work print turned up in Italy in 2009. It was first aired publicly in 2013, was shown on Creator/TurnerClassicMovies in May 2015, and can be seen online [[http://www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/screening-room/too-much-johnson-work-print here]].



* ''Too Much Johnson'' (1938) - Based on an 1893 comedic play by William Gillette and shot as a SilentMovie seemingly from 20 years earlier (complete with straw hats, suffragettes, and orthochromatic makeup although [[HitlerCam the director's influence]] was still clear), Welles intended it to be shown in between the acts of a live performance of the play to expand on the action; unfortunately, he found out too late that the theater it was meant to be shown in couldn't accommodate a movie screen, so it was never exhibited as intended. It was thought to have become a LostEpisode when Welles's personal copy burnt up in a fire in 1970, but a work print turned up in Italy in 2009. It was first aired publicly in 2013, was shown on Creator/TurnerClassicMovies in May 2015, and can be seen online [[http://www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/screening-room/too-much-johnson-work-print here]].



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9th Feb '16 11:37:18 PM JulianLapostat
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Welles is a popular HistoricalDomainCharacter and a favorite for impressionists. Creator/MauriceLaMarche can do a spot-on impression of him. Has also been played by actors [[Film/FullMetalJacket Vincent D'Onofrio]] in ''Film/EdWood'' (with the voice dubbed over by [=LaMarche=]), Angus [=Angus MacFadyen=] in Creator/TimRobbins' ''Cradle Will Rock'' and Christian [=McKay=] in the Creator/RichardLinklater film ''Film/MeAndOrsonWelles''.

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Welles is a popular HistoricalDomainCharacter and a favorite for impressionists. Creator/MauriceLaMarche can do a spot-on impression of him. Has also been played by actors [[Film/FullMetalJacket Vincent D'Onofrio]] in ''Film/EdWood'' (with the voice dubbed over by [=LaMarche=]), Angus [=Angus MacFadyen=] in Creator/TimRobbins' ''Cradle Will Rock'' and Christian [=McKay=] in the Creator/RichardLinklater film ''Film/MeAndOrsonWelles''.
9th Feb '16 11:36:55 PM JulianLapostat
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His final years involved doing mostly voiceover work most infamously for a [[http://ubu.wfmu.org/sound/365/03/365-Days-Project-03-01-welles-orson-frozen-peas-spot.mp3 frozen peas commercial]]. His tagline in commercials for the Paul Masson winery, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpj0t2ozPWY We will sell no wine... before its time]]," became a meme in TheSeventies. He was rather overweight in his later years, leading to many jokes relating to the fact that his final role would be that of a planet. What's funny is that [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unicron his last role really was a planet.]] He died five days after finishing recording the voice of Unicron for the 1986 ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie''.[[note]]In that short span of time, he blasted the movie. "I play a big toy who beats up all the little toys."[[/note]] Creator/MauriceLaMarche can do a spot-on impression of him. Has also been played by actors [[Film/FullMetalJacket Vincent D'Onofrio]] in ''Film/EdWood'' (with the voice dubbed over by [=LaMarche=]) and Christian [=McKay=] in the Creator/RichardLinklater film ''Film/MeAndOrsonWelles''.

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His final years involved doing mostly voiceover work most infamously for a [[http://ubu.wfmu.org/sound/365/03/365-Days-Project-03-01-welles-orson-frozen-peas-spot.mp3 frozen peas commercial]]. His tagline in commercials for the Paul Masson winery, "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpj0t2ozPWY We will sell no wine... before its time]]," became a meme in TheSeventies. He was rather overweight in his later years, leading to many jokes relating to the fact that his final role would be that of a planet. What's funny is that [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unicron his last role really was a planet.]] He died five days after finishing recording the voice of Unicron for the 1986 ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie''.[[note]]In that short span of time, he blasted the movie. "I play a big toy who beats up all the little toys."[[/note]] "[[/note]]

Welles is a popular HistoricalDomainCharacter and a favorite for impressionists.
Creator/MauriceLaMarche can do a spot-on impression of him. Has also been played by actors [[Film/FullMetalJacket Vincent D'Onofrio]] in ''Film/EdWood'' (with the voice dubbed over by [=LaMarche=]) [=LaMarche=]), Angus [=Angus MacFadyen=] in Creator/TimRobbins' ''Cradle Will Rock'' and Christian [=McKay=] in the Creator/RichardLinklater film ''Film/MeAndOrsonWelles''.
7th Feb '16 3:10:00 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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From there, he made his first movie for RKO Pictures, ''Film/CitizenKane''. He got [[AuteurLicense complete artistic control]]; he directed it, produced it, wrote at least some of it, and played the lead. ''Citizen Kane'' was a groundbreaking film, generally considered one of, if not the best of all time, [[Music/KanyeWest OF ALL]] [[MemeticMutation TIME!]] - so much so that it's created HypeAversion. It's very enjoyable despite that. Unfortunately, the film tanked at the box office, as Charles Foster Kane was thought to be InspiredBy William Randolph Hearst, who was still alive and better at maintaining his influence than Kane was. The Hearst press put a lot of pressure on the studios and sabotaged the film's release, and the film became OvershadowedByControversy in its time, though it was admired enough that it recieved Oscar nominations (and Welles won his only competitive award for writing the screenplay of Kane, which she shared with Herman Mankiewicz). It was VindicatedByHistory and ironically [[StreisandEffect people remember Hearst in a large part for his association with Kane]].

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From there, he made his first movie for RKO Pictures, ''Film/CitizenKane''. He got [[AuteurLicense complete artistic control]]; he directed it, produced it, wrote at least some of it, and played the lead. ''Citizen Kane'' was a groundbreaking film, generally considered one of, if not the best of all time, [[Music/KanyeWest OF ALL]] [[MemeticMutation TIME!]] - so much so that it's created HypeAversion. It's very enjoyable despite that. Unfortunately, the film tanked at the box office, as Charles Foster Kane was thought to be InspiredBy William Randolph Hearst, who was still alive and better at maintaining his influence than Kane was. The Hearst press put a lot of pressure on the studios and sabotaged the film's release, and the film became OvershadowedByControversy in its time, though it was admired enough that it recieved Oscar nominations (and Welles won his only competitive award for writing the screenplay of Kane, which she he shared with Herman Mankiewicz). It was VindicatedByHistory and ironically [[StreisandEffect people remember Hearst in a large part for his association with Kane]].
29th Jan '16 8:46:29 AM JulianLapostat
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* TheBardOnBoard: Made his name in the 1930s with memorable stage adaptations of ''Theatre/JuliusCaesar'' and ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}''. After going into Hollywood he made similarly well-regarded films of ''Theatre/{{Othello}}'' and ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}'' as well as ''Chimes at Midnight'', a reworking of the ''Theatre/HenryIV'' plays or specifically a {{Deconstruction}} of the same, foregrounding Falstaff as the major character rather than Prince Hal.



* ExecutiveMeddling: Many of his films after ''Citizen Kane''. Most infamously, ''The Magnificent Ambersons'' was cut by 40 minutes and had a new ending added on, ''Touch of Evil'' and ''The Lady From Shanghai'' were re-cut by the studio. As was ''Mr. Arkadin'' which took this UpToEleven. The only Welles films which exist as per his vision are ''Citizen Kane, MacBeth, The Tragedy of Othello, The Trial, Chimes at Midnight, F For Fake''.
** ''Film/TheMagnificentAmbersons'': Welles' cut was changed drastically by the studio without his permission. There were two previews of the film. At the first preview, editor Robert Wise stated that the test audiences were literally laughing at how bad it was, ninety percent of the score cards calling it terrible and [[LoveItOrHateIt the other ten percent]] calling the film a masterpiece. The second preview at Pasadena was vastly more favorable and audiences reacted to it with enthusiasm even if they felt it was [[DownerEnding bleak]] but the studio felt it was too much of a gamble and refused to listen to producer David O. Selznick who saw the original cut, loved it [[OnlySaneMan and insisted]] it be sent to the Museum of Modern Art. They cut out 40 minutes, shot a new ending and ordered that [[KickTheDog the original footage be burnt]].
** Welles himself at this time was [[AuthorExistenceFailure shooting a documentary in Brazil]] on behalf of the Federal Government. He sent memos on how the editing had to be done, but he had become PersonaNonGrata in a RKO that was UnderNewManagement. In a real life case of ShootTheShaggyDog, the documentary he shot in Brazil was shelved and the footage stored in vault. This ended up damaging Welles' career far more than the Hearst controversy over ''Citizen Kane''.
** For ''Touch of Evil'', he was barred from the editing room and later wrote a memo after seeing the film that was later put in the special edition release. In the memo he pointed out several flaws and minor changes that he believes could make the narrative flow better. The film has a famous TwoLinesNoWaiting parallel storyline which was confusing to follow in the original release but flowed much smoother in the 90s [[ReCut Reconstruction]] edition which followed his memo.
** ''The Stranger'' and ''The Lady From Shanghai'' were more or less studio films, done to re-establish himself in Hollywood and as a rule, directors had no say in the editing on those kind of films. Welles' independent career in Europe led to ''Mr. Arkadin'', where the shady producer ended up barring Welles from the editing room and re-cut it, and subsequent releases had more and more recuts creating no less than 7 Arkadins. The Criterion Edition, is more or less offers the best of the versions.



** Because of SeinfeldIsUnfunny, it can be hard to appreciate how innovative ''Citizen Kane'' is. For one thing it was a film that used the best of Hollywood production facilities and craftsmanship to achieve powerful visual storytelling and use of sound, to suggest multiple layers of storytelling and psychological complexity. The narrative itself was highly complex for the time, generally avoiding neat solutions and not backing away from DownerEnding and criticizing America's idea of success. But more specifically it did this with ideas and conceits that was only possible with cinema. Visually and technically, it pioneered the use of Deep Focus cinematography which allowed action in the foreground and the background to be seen clearly, with the framing often creating a contrast between the same.

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** Because of SeinfeldIsUnfunny, it It can be hard to appreciate how innovative ''Citizen Kane'' is. For one thing it was a film that used the best of Hollywood production facilities and craftsmanship to achieve powerful visual storytelling and use of sound, to suggest multiple layers of storytelling and psychological complexity. The narrative itself was highly complex for the time, generally avoiding neat solutions and not backing away from DownerEnding and criticizing America's idea of success. But more specifically it did this with ideas and conceits that was only possible with cinema. Visually and technically, it pioneered the use of Deep Focus cinematography which allowed action in the foreground and the background to be seen clearly, with the framing often creating a contrast between the same.



* MagnumOpusDissonance: He found Kane to be an assemblage of gimmicks that painted an unfairly mean picture of some real people. ''The Trial'' and ''Falstaff: Chimes at Midnight'' were his favourites of his works. He also felt that ''The Magnificent Ambersons'' was his most personal film and that the original version was a more mature, darker and sadder work than CitizenKane, indeed so dark that it went against the wartime mood.
** He may have said this purely because of the effect that Kane had on his subsequent career (it painted a mean picture of the '''wrong''' people). Welles always regretted that Marion Davies, whose work with director King Vidor he admired, was unfairly associated with his film. That said, Welles did admit that ''Citizen Kane'' was the only film of his career where he had complete freedom of budget and ProtectionFromEditors to achieve what he wanted.
** The other reason for this was that people expected him to make another ''Kane'' while he was interested in making different kinds of films and experimenting with forms, so people who came to his newer films did not appreciate it on its own terms. His later films have proven to be incredibly influential as well.



* OneSceneWonder: As an actor, Welles specialized in scene-stealing cameos: ''Film/TheThirdMan'', ''Moby-Dick'' and the former TropeNamer, Cardinal Wolsey in ''Theatre/AManForAllSeasons''.



* RealitySubtext: Welles knew Anthony Perkins was gay (at the time, he eventually married a woman and had several children), and made ''The Trial'' a ComingOutStory adaptation.
** People claim that ''Citizen Kane'' was more about Welles than Hearst, Welles himself felt ''The Magnificent Ambersons'' was the story of his childhood in the Mid-West, claiming that the author based the hero George Amberson Minafer on Welles. The film historian Robert Carringer noted that the personal nature of the story played a role in the sabotage of the film.



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Was considered for the voice of [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]], passed over because his voice was "too recognizable" in favour of Creator/JamesEarlJones.
** Was considered to narrate ''TheTwilightZone'', but his asking price was too high for CBS.
** Was also considered for the part of Hugo Drax in ''Film/{{Moonraker}}''.
** Pitched an adaptation of ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'' as his film-directing debut before settling on ''Film/CitizenKane'', but RKO got nervous about the budget.
*** In a similar vein Welles auditioned for the part of Vito Corleone in ''Film/TheGodfather'' but Coppola picked Creator/MarlonBrando instead. He felt so guilty about it that he offered Welles the part of Kurtz in ''Film/ApocalypseNow'', but Welles turned it down.
** In addition he left many film projects incomplete at the time of his death, including a film adaptation of ''Literature/DonQuixote'' (for which he shot footage, but left unedited) and a film starring his friend and fellow director Peter Bogdanovich.
** In ''F For Fake'' he notes that an initial idea of ''Citizen Kane'' was to pattern it on Howard Hughes with Joseph Cotten as the billionaire, noting that with ''F For Fake'' he [[{{Bookends}}finally came full circle]] by dealing with Hughes in the wake of the scandal surrounding the fake biography of the 70s, which is the subject of the film.
* Creator/WilliamShakespeare: Made his name in the 1930s with memorable stage adaptations of ''Theatre/JuliusCaesar'' and ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}''. After going into Hollywood he made similarly well-regarded films of ''Theatre/{{Othello}}'' and ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}'' as well as ''Chimes at Midnight'', a reworking of the ''Theatre/HenryIV'' plays or specifically a {{Deconstruction}} of the same, foregrounding Falstaff as the major character rather than Prince Hal.

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Was considered for the voice of [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]], passed over because his voice was "too recognizable" in favour of Creator/JamesEarlJones.
** Was considered to narrate ''TheTwilightZone'', but his asking price was too high for CBS.
** Was also considered for the part of Hugo Drax in ''Film/{{Moonraker}}''.
** Pitched an adaptation of ''Literature/HeartOfDarkness'' as his film-directing debut before settling on ''Film/CitizenKane'', but RKO got nervous about the budget.
*** In a similar vein Welles auditioned for the part of Vito Corleone in ''Film/TheGodfather'' but Coppola picked Creator/MarlonBrando instead. He felt so guilty about it that he offered Welles the part of Kurtz in ''Film/ApocalypseNow'', but Welles turned it down.
** In addition he left many film projects incomplete at the time of his death, including a film adaptation of ''Literature/DonQuixote'' (for which he shot footage, but left unedited) and a film starring his friend and fellow director Peter Bogdanovich.
** In ''F For Fake'' he notes that an initial idea of ''Citizen Kane'' was to pattern it on Howard Hughes with Joseph Cotten as the billionaire, noting that with ''F For Fake'' he [[{{Bookends}}finally came full circle]] by dealing with Hughes in the wake of the scandal surrounding the fake biography of the 70s, which is the subject of the film.
* Creator/WilliamShakespeare: Made his name in the 1930s with memorable stage adaptations of ''Theatre/JuliusCaesar'' and ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}''. After going into Hollywood he made similarly well-regarded films of ''Theatre/{{Othello}}'' and ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}'' as well as ''Chimes at Midnight'', a reworking of the ''Theatre/HenryIV'' plays or specifically a {{Deconstruction}} of the same, foregrounding Falstaff as the major character rather than Prince Hal.
4th Jan '16 8:12:17 AM aye_amber
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[[caption-width-right:283:[-Everybody denies I am a genius, [[SuspiciouslySpecificDenial but nobody ever called me one]].-] ]]

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3rd Jan '16 1:48:35 PM gallium
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* DyeingForYourArt: Redhead Rita Hayworth went blonde for ''Film/TheLadyFromShanghai''.

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* DyeingForYourArt: Redhead Rita Hayworth Creator/RitaHayworth went blonde for ''Film/TheLadyFromShanghai''.
27th Oct '15 9:21:15 AM Morgenthaler
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** GenreTurningPoint: Because of SeinfeldIsUnfunny, it can be hard to appreciate how innovative ''Citizen Kane'' is. For one thing it was a film that used the best of Hollywood production facilities and craftsmanship to achieve powerful visual storytelling and use of sound, to suggest multiple layers of storytelling and psychological complexity. The narrative itself was highly complex for the time, generally avoiding neat solutions and not backing away from DownerEnding and criticizing America's idea of success. But more specifically it did this with ideas and conceits that was only possible with cinema. Visually and technically, it pioneered the use of Deep Focus cinematography which allowed action in the foreground and the background to be seen clearly, with the framing often creating a contrast between the same.
** Likewise FForFake completely turned traditional ideas of documentary around, becoming the TropeCodifier for a genre that some critics call an "essay film" in that it somehow takes a general subject but digresses to other areas and interests and somehow still fitting into the context. And its all true.

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Because of SeinfeldIsUnfunny, it can be hard to appreciate how innovative ''Citizen Kane'' is. For one thing it was a film that used the best of Hollywood production facilities and craftsmanship to achieve powerful visual storytelling and use of sound, to suggest multiple layers of storytelling and psychological complexity. The narrative itself was highly complex for the time, generally avoiding neat solutions and not backing away from DownerEnding and criticizing America's idea of success. But more specifically it did this with ideas and conceits that was only possible with cinema. Visually and technically, it pioneered the use of Deep Focus cinematography which allowed action in the foreground and the background to be seen clearly, with the framing often creating a contrast between the same.
** Likewise FForFake ''Film/FForFake'' completely turned traditional ideas of documentary around, becoming the TropeCodifier for a genre that some critics call an "essay film" in that it somehow takes a general subject but digresses to other areas and interests and somehow still fitting into the context. And its all true.
27th Sep '15 10:50:33 AM Morgenthaler
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* DownerEnding : Welles' refusal to pay even token fealty to TheHaysCode and its insistence on happy endings was a problem on ''TheMagnificentAmbersons''. His films are generally pessimistic and dark, but done with such style that they are entertaining nevertheless. The only truly happy movie of his, is ''Film/FForFake''.

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* DownerEnding : Welles' refusal to pay even token fealty to TheHaysCode and its insistence on happy endings was a problem on ''TheMagnificentAmbersons''.''Film/TheMagnificentAmbersons''. His films are generally pessimistic and dark, but done with such style that they are entertaining nevertheless. The only truly happy movie of his, is ''Film/FForFake''.
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