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* TheFlorenceNightingaleEffect: Julian and Hilary in ''Return to Night''.
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* TheFlorenceNightingaleEffect: FlorenceNightingaleEffect: Julian and Hilary in ''Return to Night''.
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* AbusiveParents
* AchillesInHisTent: When Alexander is sulking, Bagoas ''The Persian Boy'' references this as a trope.
* AchillesInHisTent: When Alexander is sulking, Bagoas ''The Persian Boy'' references this as a trope.
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%% * AbusiveParents
%% * AchillesInHisTent: When Alexander is sulking, Bagoas ''The Persian Boy'' references this as a trope.
%% * AchillesInHisTent: When Alexander is sulking, Bagoas ''The Persian Boy'' references this as a trope.
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** Alexander the Great after he reaches Egypt in ''The Persian Boy,'' which causes some dissension in the ranks.
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%% ** Alexander the Great after he reaches Egypt in ''The Persian Boy,'' which causes some dissension in the ranks.
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* AlmostKiss: Laurie and Ralph at one point in ''The Charioteer''.
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%% * AlmostKiss: Laurie and Ralph at one point in ''The Charioteer''.
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* BetterAsFriends: Alec and Ralph in ''The Charioteer''.
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%% * BetterAsFriends: Alec and Ralph in ''The Charioteer''.
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* BittersweetEnding: All of 'em.
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%% * BittersweetEnding: All of 'em.
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* BuryYourGays (often averted; for example, in ''The Mask of Apollo'' the main character lives mostly-happily ever after with a steady male lover)
** Narrowly averted in [[spoiler: The Charioteer: Ralph is about to commit suicide but Laurie arrives in time.]]
* ButchLesbian
** Narrowly averted in [[spoiler: The Charioteer: Ralph is about to commit suicide but Laurie arrives in time.]]
* ButchLesbian
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** Narrowly averted in [[spoiler: The Charioteer: Ralph is about to commit suicide but Laurie arrives in time.]]
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* CampGay
* CastFullOfGay
* CastFullOfGay
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%% * CampGay
%% * CastFullOfGay
%% * CastFullOfGay
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* ChastityCouple, since many of her characters attempt to follow Plato's precepts. Notably, Andrew and Laurie in ''The Charioteer'' and Alexias and Lysis in ''The Last of the Wine'' are this trope [[spoiler: at least for a while.]]
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* ChastityCouple, since many ChastityCouple: Many of her characters attempt to follow Plato's precepts.precepts regarding remaining chaste. Notably, Andrew and Laurie in ''The Charioteer'' and Alexias and Lysis in ''The Last of the Wine'' are this trope [[spoiler: at least for a while.]]
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* CultureClash: ''The Persian Boy'' and ''The King Must Die''
* DaddysGirl: Ellen in ''North Face'' and Axiothea in ''The Mask of Apollo''.
* DaddysGirl: Ellen in ''North Face'' and Axiothea in ''The Mask of Apollo''.
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%% * CultureClash: ''The Persian Boy'' and ''The King Must Die''
%% * DaddysGirl: Ellen in ''North Face'' and Axiothea in ''The Mask of Apollo''.
%% * DaddysGirl: Ellen in ''North Face'' and Axiothea in ''The Mask of Apollo''.
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* DarkAndTroubledPast
* DeliberateValuesDissonance
* {{Demythification}} - ''The King Must Die''
* DespairEventHorizon
* DisappearedDad
* DeliberateValuesDissonance
* {{Demythification}} - ''The King Must Die''
* DespairEventHorizon
* DisappearedDad
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%% * DarkAndTroubledPast
%% * DeliberateValuesDissonance
%% * {{Demythification}} - ''The King Must Die''
%% * DespairEventHorizon
%% * DisappearedDad
%% * DeliberateValuesDissonance
%% * {{Demythification}} - ''The King Must Die''
%% * DespairEventHorizon
%% * DisappearedDad
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* DrivenToSuicide
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%% * DrivenToSuicide
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* DueToTheDead: Ancient Greece was big on this.
* EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler: ''North Face''.]]
* EyesNeverLie
* EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler: ''North Face''.]]
* EyesNeverLie
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%% * DueToTheDead: Ancient Greece was big on this.
%% * EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler: ''North Face''.]]
%% * EyesNeverLie
%% * EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler: ''North Face''.]]
%% * EyesNeverLie
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** Theseus
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%% ** Theseus
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* FriendToAllLivingThings: Hippolytos in ''The Bull from the Sea''.
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%% * FriendToAllLivingThings: Hippolytos in ''The Bull from the Sea''.
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* GayAesop: Very important works for this.
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%% * GayAesop: Very important works for this.
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* GenderBlenderName: Vivian, Leo (short for Leonora), Hilary, Julian, Laurie.
* GreenEyedEpiphany: Andrew's realisation of his love for Laurie takes this form.
* GreenEyedMonster
* GreenEyedEpiphany: Andrew's realisation of his love for Laurie takes this form.
* GreenEyedMonster
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%% * GenderBlenderName: Vivian, Leo (short for Leonora), Hilary, Julian, Laurie.
%% * GreenEyedEpiphany: Andrew's realisation of his love for Laurie takes this form.
%% * GreenEyedMonster
%% * GreenEyedEpiphany: Andrew's realisation of his love for Laurie takes this form.
%% * GreenEyedMonster
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* GodSaveUsFromTheQueen: Olympias in the Alexander books.
* GoodbyeCruelWorld
* GoodbyeCruelWorld
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%% * GodSaveUsFromTheQueen: Olympias in the Alexander books.
%% * GoodbyeCruelWorld
%% * GoodbyeCruelWorld
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** Alexander and Hephaistion do this sometimes in ''Literature/FireFromHeaven''.
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%% ** Alexander and Hephaistion do this sometimes in ''Literature/FireFromHeaven''.
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* HospitalHottie
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%% * HospitalHottie
* IncestSubtext: In several books, and the most memorable probably the opening chapter of ''Fire from Heaven'', right down to four-year-old Alex proposing to his mom, being disgusted by the sight of his drunk dad with an erection, yelling furiously "go away, she hates you!" and being literally thrown out of the bedroom. Renault actually describes him repressing the memory, to recover it years later. Decades after, Bagoas suspects Alexander subconsciously [[LikeParentLikeSpouse sees his mother in the murderously strong-willed Roxane]].
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* InterruptedSuicide: [[spoiler: ''Return to Night'' and ''The Charioteer''.]] Also, ''The Bull From The Sea''.
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%% * InterruptedSuicide: [[spoiler: ''Return to Night'' and ''The Charioteer''.]] Also, ''The Bull From The Sea''.
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* JumpingTheGenderBarrier
* JustInTime
* JustInTime
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%% * JumpingTheGenderBarrier
%% * JustInTime
%% * JustInTime
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* LongHairedPrettyBoy: Several of them.
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%% * LongHairedPrettyBoy: Several of them.
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* LoverAndBeloved, given that she wrote about ancient Greece.
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* LoveHurts
* LoveTriangle
* LoveTriangle
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%% * LoveHurts
%% * LoveTriangle
%% * LoveTriangle
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* TheMistress: ''Kind Are Her Answers''.
* MistakenAge
* MistakenAge
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%% * TheMistress: ''Kind Are Her Answers''.
%% * MistakenAge
%% * MistakenAge
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* MommasBoy: Julian, Laurie, Alexias, Alexander.
* MyBelovedSmother: Hoo boy, does she ever like this trope.
* NoWomansLand: Historically accurate.
* MyBelovedSmother: Hoo boy, does she ever like this trope.
* NoWomansLand: Historically accurate.
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%% * MommasBoy: Julian, Laurie, Alexias, Alexander.
%% * MyBelovedSmother: Hoo boy, does she ever like this trope.
%% * NoWomansLand: Historically accurate.
%% * MyBelovedSmother: Hoo boy, does she ever like this trope.
%% * NoWomansLand: Historically accurate.
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* OedipusComplex: In several books, and the most memorable probably the opening chapter of ''Fire from Heaven'', right down to four-year-old Alex proposing to his mom, being disgusted by the sight of his drunk dad with an erection, yelling furiously "go away, she hates you!" and being literally thrown out of the bedroom. Renault actually describes him repressing the memory, to recover it years later.
** Decades after, Bagoas suspects Alexander subconsciously sees his mother in the murderously strong-willed Roxane.
* OfficerAndAGentleman: Ralph.
** Decades after, Bagoas suspects Alexander subconsciously sees his mother in the murderously strong-willed Roxane.
* OfficerAndAGentleman: Ralph.
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** Decades after, Bagoas suspects Alexander subconsciously sees his mother in the murderously strong-willed Roxane.
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* OldSoldier
* OneGenderSchool
* OneGenderSchool
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%% * OldSoldier
%% * OneGenderSchool
%% * OneGenderSchool
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* ParentalSubstitute
* PrecociousCrush - ''The King Must Die''
* PublicExecution: [[spoiler: Olympias]] in ''Funeral Games.''
* PrecociousCrush - ''The King Must Die''
* PublicExecution: [[spoiler: Olympias]] in ''Funeral Games.''
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%% * ParentalSubstitute
%% * PrecociousCrush - ''The King Must Die''
%% * PublicExecution: [[spoiler: Olympias]] in ''Funeral Games.''
%% * PrecociousCrush - ''The King Must Die''
%% * PublicExecution: [[spoiler: Olympias]] in ''Funeral Games.''
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* QueerRomance - all of them
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%% * QueerRomance - all of them
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* SecondLove
* SecretDiary: Ralph's in ''The Charioteer''.
* SexlessMarriage: ''Kind Are Her Answers''.
* SexSlave: Phaedo in ''The Last of the Wine''. Bagoas in ''The Persian Boy.''
* SecretDiary: Ralph's in ''The Charioteer''.
* SexlessMarriage: ''Kind Are Her Answers''.
* SexSlave: Phaedo in ''The Last of the Wine''. Bagoas in ''The Persian Boy.''
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%% * SecondLove
%% * SecretDiary: Ralph's in ''The Charioteer''.
%% * SexlessMarriage: ''Kind Are Her Answers''.
%% * SexSlave: Phaedo in ''The Last of the Wine''. Bagoas in ''The Persian Boy.''
%% * SecretDiary: Ralph's in ''The Charioteer''.
%% * SexlessMarriage: ''Kind Are Her Answers''.
%% * SexSlave: Phaedo in ''The Last of the Wine''. Bagoas in ''The Persian Boy.''
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* SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids: Ralph.
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* SpurnedIntoSuicide
* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler: Laurie and Andrew.]]
* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler: Laurie and Andrew.]]
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%% * SpurnedIntoSuicide
%% * StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler: Laurie and Andrew.]]
%% * StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler: Laurie and Andrew.]]
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* TranslatorBuddy: Laurie for Charlot in ''The Charioteer''.
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%% * TranslatorBuddy: Laurie for Charlot in ''The Charioteer''.
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* WholesomeCrossdresser
* WillTheyOrWontThey?
* UsefulNotes/WorldWarII - many of her earlier books
* WillTheyOrWontThey?
* UsefulNotes/WorldWarII - many of her earlier books
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* WillTheyOrWontThey?
* UsefulNotes/WorldWarII - many of her earlier books
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* HundredPercentAdorationRating: Alexander.
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* KillEmAll: Good heavens, ''Funeral Games.'' Every major player has died unpleasantly by the end. Bagoas is still around because, as she explains in ''The Nature of Alexander'', he was: in reading the real historical accounts, it's clear where they got their source material -- to the point that his actual voice becomes recognizable.
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* SchoolgirlLesbians: In ''Kind Are Her Answers'', Janet, the main character's stupid, self-indulgent wife, had a crush on a slightly older girl at school. The girl reappears in her life as a representative of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Group Oxford Group]], which Renault disliked.
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* {{Asexuality}}: Eurydike in ''Literature/FuneralGames'' is "indifferent" to sex. As is Hippolytos in ''The Bull From The Sea''.
** Bagoas in ''The Persian Boy'' is a variant: he comments that he enjoys sex but has no "need" for it.
** Bagoas in ''The Persian Boy'' is a variant: he comments that he enjoys sex but has no "need" for it.
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* ChasteHero: Eurydike in ''Literature/FuneralGames'' is "indifferent" to sex. As is Hippolytos in ''The Bull From The Sea''.
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* {{Transgender}}: Several of Renault's characters feel, as Renault did, that they have both male and female natures; particularly, her major lesbians are close to being trans men.
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* ''The King Must Die''
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* ''The King Must Die''''Literature/TheKingMustDie''
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* LargeAndInCharge: Played straight with Darius III. Subverted with Alexander; Darius's daughter is significantly taller than him even after he puts lifts in his shoes.
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* DontYouDarePityMe: While in Babylon, Bagoas buys the services of an unattractive woman who has been waiting a long time to complete her rite of passage as a sacred prostitute. When she realizes he doesn't actually want to have sex with her, she's furious.
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* ExpectingSomeoneTaller - Theseus
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* ExpectingSomeoneTaller - -
** Theseus
** Theseus
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** Decades after, Bagoas suspects Alexander subconsciously sees his mother in the murderously strong-willed Roxane.
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* TheWomenAreSafeWithUs: Alexander has a personal distaste for rape, and sometimes protects women from those who are not as scrupulous. In accordance with Xenophon's depiction of one of his idols, Cyrus the Great, after capturing Darius's family he specifically avoids visiting Darius's beautiful wife. His men are astonished that he marries Roxane instead of simply taking what he wants from her.
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* IHaveNoSon: Darius's mother Sisygambis disowns him and "adopts" Alexander in his stead after Darius leaves his family behind to be captured. When he sends a rescue mission during the battle of Gaugamela, she declines to be rescued.
