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And no, not [[Characters/TheSimpsonsHomerSimpson that Homer]]. Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.

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And no, not [[Characters/TheSimpsonsHomerSimpson that Homer]]. Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS13E14TalesFromThePublicDomain an episode episode]] of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
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And no, not [[Characters/TheSimpsonsHomerJaySimpson that Homer]]. Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.

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And no, not [[Characters/TheSimpsonsHomerJaySimpson [[Characters/TheSimpsonsHomerSimpson that Homer]]. Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
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->''Sing, O muse, of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul it sent hurrying to Hades; many a hero did it leave prey to dogs and vultures ...''

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->''Sing, O muse, goddess, of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul it sent hurrying to Hades; many a hero did it leave prey to dogs and vultures ...''
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''Literature/TheOdyssey'', a sequel of sorts to ''The Iliad'', also begins at the end of the story. It tells the story of Telemachus, Odysseus' son, manning up and taking his home back from [[OneHundredAndEight 108]] suitors who were attempting to seduce his mother, and Odysseus'...odyssey back home from the Trojan war. Odysseus' story is told in flashback, and is long. He pretty much flitted around a whole bunch of islands, had sex, blinded Poseidon's son, had sex, chilled with Circe, had sex, went to Hades, chilled with Calypso, [[OverlyLongGag had sex]], and cried on a rock. Telemachus meets up with Odysseus, and the two of them massacre the suitors and the story ends with a lovely [[DeusExMachina gift of aid]] from Athena.

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''Literature/TheOdyssey'', a sequel of sorts to ''The Iliad'', also begins at the end of the story. It tells the story of Telemachus, Odysseus' son, manning up and taking his home back from [[OneHundredAndEight 108]] the 108 suitors who were attempting to seduce his mother, and Odysseus'...odyssey back home from the Trojan war. Odysseus' story is told in flashback, and is long. He pretty much flitted around a whole bunch of islands, had sex, blinded Poseidon's son, had sex, chilled with Circe, had sex, went to Hades, chilled with Calypso, [[OverlyLongGag had sex]], and cried on a rock. Telemachus meets up with Odysseus, and the two of them massacre the suitors and the story ends with a lovely [[DeusExMachina gift of aid]] from Athena.
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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.

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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons [[Characters/TheSimpsonsHomerJaySimpson that Homer.]] Homer]]. Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''Westernanimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.

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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''Westernanimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
''WesternAnimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus. And [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''Westernanimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.

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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey ''The Odyssey'' with that Homer as Odysseus. And For additional meta, [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''Westernanimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus.

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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus. \n And [[Creator/DanCastellaneta Homer's actor]] voiced the original Homer in ''Westernanimation/HerculesTheAnimatedSeries''.
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The ancient Greeks held Homer in [[CreatorWorship something like reverence]], viewing his works as the foundation of their society, in much the same way as modern Europeans view the Bible, though they were not seen as religious texts.

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The ancient Greeks held Homer in [[CreatorWorship something like reverence]], viewing his works as the foundation of their society, in much the same way as modern Europeans view the Bible, though and although they were not seen as religious texts.texts one could be forgiven for getting that impression. And some hero-cults appeared in Hellenistic Greece where Homer was elevated to divine status, or at least in the presence of the gods.
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The ancient Greeks held Homer in [[CreatorWorship something like reverence]], viewing his works as the foundation of their society, in much the same way as modern Europeans view the Bible, though they were not seen as religious texts.
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''The Iliad'' starts in the ninth year of TheTrojanWar, when a quarrel among the Greek leaders ends with [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles sulking in his tent]]. His [[HoYay best]] friend (and in some versions, [[KissingCousins cousin]]), Patroclus, dresses in his armour, and goes out to fight in his place, but is killed by Hector. Furious, Achilles charges into battle, kills Hector and [[KickTheDog desecrates]] [[NightmareFuel his corpse]], then stages an elaborate funeral for Patroclus, which ends with a sports contest. The epic ends with King Priam visiting Achilles in his tent to ask for the return of Hector's body to give his son proper funeral rites. Moved, Achilles apologizes to Priam and complies to the old king's request.

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''The Iliad'' starts in the ninth year of TheTrojanWar, UsefulNotes/TheTrojanWar, when a quarrel among the Greek leaders ends with [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles sulking in his tent]]. His [[HoYay best]] friend (and in some versions, [[KissingCousins cousin]]), Patroclus, dresses in his armour, and goes out to fight in his place, but is killed by Hector. Furious, Achilles charges into battle, kills Hector and [[KickTheDog desecrates]] [[NightmareFuel his corpse]], then stages an elaborate funeral for Patroclus, which ends with a sports contest. The epic ends with King Priam visiting Achilles in his tent to ask for the return of Hector's body to give his son proper funeral rites. Moved, Achilles apologizes to Priam and complies to the old king's request.
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The continuing questions over his identity have led to the famous joke (also used with Shakespeare) the Iliad and the Odyssey were written "not by Homer, but by another man of the same name."
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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there was an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus.

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And no, not [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there was is an episode of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus.
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The traditional view of the author himself was that he was most certainly illiterate, and probably blind as well, which may explain why peoples' livers fall out while blood stains their chests, how people break swords in two over the heads of others, and how they slice off limbs and heads (and sometimes, heads in two) with the ease of a lightsaber. Tradition also holds that Homer memorized both The Iliad and The Odyssey, and probably changed the story each time he told it. Given the sentence "[[PenName Homer]] was [[FranchiseZombie a]] blind, illiterate [[GenderFlip man]]," you can find historians who would dispute almost every word of it (with the possible exception of "was" [[hottip:*:Though there isn't actually consensus that Homer existed at all.]]). Yes, some historians believe that both ''Literature/TheIliad'' and ''Literature/TheOdyssey'' were written either by a woman or a Jewish man. This is leaving aside however many different people may have passed on the stories until they reached the forms in which they're currently published.

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The traditional view of the author himself was that he was most certainly illiterate, and probably blind as well, which may explain why peoples' livers fall out while blood stains their chests, how people break swords in two over the heads of others, and how they slice off limbs and heads (and sometimes, heads in two) with the ease of a lightsaber. Tradition also holds that Homer memorized both The Iliad and The Odyssey, and probably changed the story each time he told it. Given the sentence "[[PenName Homer]] was [[FranchiseZombie a]] blind, illiterate [[GenderFlip man]]," you can find historians who would dispute almost every word of it (with the possible exception of "was" [[hottip:*:Though [[note]]Though there isn't actually consensus that Homer existed at all.]]).[[/note]]). Yes, some historians believe that both ''Literature/TheIliad'' and ''Literature/TheOdyssey'' were written either by a woman or a Jewish man. This is leaving aside however many different people may have passed on the stories until they reached the forms in which they're currently published.


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And no, not [[TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there was an episode of [[TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus.

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And no, not [[TheSimpsons [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there was an episode of [[TheSimpsons [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus.
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->''Sing, O muse, of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul it sent hurrying to Hades; many a hero did it leave prey to dogs and vultures ...''

So begins ''Literature/TheIliad'', the oldest tale in Western literature, attributed to Homer.

''The Iliad'' starts in the ninth year of TheTrojanWar, when a quarrel among the Greek leaders ends with [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles sulking in his tent]]. His [[HoYay best]] friend (and in some versions, [[KissingCousins cousin]]), Patroclus, dresses in his armour, and goes out to fight in his place, but is killed by Hector. Furious, Achilles charges into battle, kills Hector and [[KickTheDog desecrates]] [[NightmareFuel his corpse]], then stages an elaborate funeral for Patroclus, which ends with a sports contest. The epic ends with King Priam visiting Achilles in his tent to ask for the return of Hector's body to give his son proper funeral rites. Moved, Achilles apologizes to Priam and complies to the old king's request.

Along the way, there are many epic fights, and {{flashback}}s to the causes of the war.

->''Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns driven time and time and again off course, once he had plundered the hallowed heights of Troy...''

''Literature/TheOdyssey'', a sequel of sorts to ''The Iliad'', also begins at the end of the story. It tells the story of Telemachus, Odysseus' son, manning up and taking his home back from [[OneHundredAndEight 108]] suitors who were attempting to seduce his mother, and Odysseus'...odyssey back home from the Trojan war. Odysseus' story is told in flashback, and is long. He pretty much flitted around a whole bunch of islands, had sex, blinded Poseidon's son, had sex, chilled with Circe, had sex, went to Hades, chilled with Calypso, [[OverlyLongGag had sex]], and cried on a rock. Telemachus meets up with Odysseus, and the two of them massacre the suitors and the story ends with a lovely [[DeusExMachina gift of aid]] from Athena.

The traditional view of the author himself was that he was most certainly illiterate, and probably blind as well, which may explain why peoples' livers fall out while blood stains their chests, how people break swords in two over the heads of others, and how they slice off limbs and heads (and sometimes, heads in two) with the ease of a lightsaber. Tradition also holds that Homer memorized both The Iliad and The Odyssey, and probably changed the story each time he told it. Given the sentence "[[PenName Homer]] was [[FranchiseZombie a]] blind, illiterate [[GenderFlip man]]," you can find historians who would dispute almost every word of it (with the possible exception of "was" [[hottip:*:Though there isn't actually consensus that Homer existed at all.]]). Yes, some historians believe that both ''Literature/TheIliad'' and ''Literature/TheOdyssey'' were written either by a woman or a Jewish man. This is leaving aside however many different people may have passed on the stories until they reached the forms in which they're currently published.

And no, not [[TheSimpsons that Homer.]] Although ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'' once had a category where that Homer read quotations from this Homer's works. And there was an episode of [[TheSimpsons that series]] where that Homer makes the same confusion, and they give a version of The Odyssey with that Homer as Odysseus.
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