History Creator / GilbertAndSullivan

18th Sep '17 12:03:40 AM PaulA
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-->-- '''Music/TomLehrer'''

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-->-- '''Music/TomLehrer'''
'''Music/TomLehrer''', "Clementine", ''Music/AnEveningWastedWithTomLehrer''
8th Sep '17 12:16:13 PM GrammarNavi
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* EvolvingMusic: It's somewhat traditional for certain songs to be updated to poke fun of current topical references. Ko-Ko's "[[ListSong I've Got a Little List]]" from ''TheMikado'' and "The MajorGeneralSong" from ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'' are particularly vulnerable. Gilbert himself sanctioned some of this when he realized that "the lady novelist" on Ko-Ko's list wouldn't always be seen as "[[MostWritersAreMale a singular anomaly]]" and let singers suggest their own alternatives. The lyrics explicitly give permission to fill out the list as they wish.[[note]]The task of filling up the blanks, I'd rather leave to you. But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list, for they'd none of 'em be missed -- they'd none of 'em be missed.[[/note]] The most popular replacement? "[[NatureAbhorsAVirgin The girl who's not been kissed]]" and "[[RoaringTwenties the Prohibitionist]], although more recently, lady novelists have come back into range, either "[[{{Franchise/Twilight}} the vampire novelist]]" or "[[Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey the fetish novelist]]", under the belief that Sir William would find the abilities of both rather lacking.

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* EvolvingMusic: It's somewhat traditional for certain songs to be updated to poke fun of current topical references. Ko-Ko's "[[ListSong I've Got a Little List]]" from ''TheMikado'' ''Theatre/TheMikado'' and "The MajorGeneralSong" from ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'' are particularly vulnerable. Gilbert himself sanctioned some of this when he realized that "the lady novelist" on Ko-Ko's list wouldn't always be seen as "[[MostWritersAreMale a singular anomaly]]" and let singers suggest their own alternatives. The lyrics explicitly give permission to fill out the list as they wish.[[note]]The task of filling up the blanks, I'd rather leave to you. But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list, for they'd none of 'em be missed -- they'd none of 'em be missed.[[/note]] The most popular replacement? "[[NatureAbhorsAVirgin The girl who's not been kissed]]" and "[[RoaringTwenties the Prohibitionist]], although more recently, lady novelists have come back into range, either "[[{{Franchise/Twilight}} the vampire novelist]]" or "[[Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey the fetish novelist]]", under the belief that Sir William would find the abilities of both rather lacking.



* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance, obviously, but Major General Stanley in the same opera counts as well -- and in ''TheMikado'' Ko-Ko never does his job as executioner, nor do we ever see Pooh Bah performing any of his various capacities. Similarly the Royal Navy in ''HMS Pinafore'' is never engaged in battle. Gilbert actually {{lampshades}} this Trope in ''Theatre/{{Iolanthe}}'', when he has Lord Mountararat proclaim:

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* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance, obviously, but Major General Stanley in the same opera counts as well -- and in ''TheMikado'' ''Theatre/TheMikado'' Ko-Ko never does his job as executioner, nor do we ever see Pooh Bah performing any of his various capacities. Similarly the Royal Navy in ''HMS Pinafore'' is never engaged in battle. Gilbert actually {{lampshades}} this Trope in ''Theatre/{{Iolanthe}}'', when he has Lord Mountararat proclaim:



** Maaaayybe in terms of the libretto and music. As far as stage business goes, WordOfGod explicitly bars RuleOfFunny. George Grossmith, the original Ko-Ko in TheMikado, protested having a gag cut because he got a big laugh - Gilbert replied "So you would if you sat on a pork pie."

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** Maaaayybe in terms of the libretto and music. As far as stage business goes, WordOfGod explicitly bars RuleOfFunny. George Grossmith, the original Ko-Ko in TheMikado, ''Theatre/TheMikado'', protested having a gag cut because he got a big laugh - Gilbert replied "So you would if you sat on a pork pie."
7th Sep '17 6:20:18 AM CaptainPedant
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--->And that Junior Partner''ship'', I ween, Was the only ''ship'' I ever had seen!
7th Sep '17 6:14:48 AM CaptainPedant
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*** Well, he is ''going'' to have it altered - too late to save the unfortunate trio, though. Hey, he's TheEmperor - you can't expect him to rush off in a panic just for the sake of a few witless underlings.
19th Jul '17 2:57:39 PM LentilSandEater
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** Rose Maybud from ''Ruddigore'' follows etiquette to an excruciating degree, but doesn't seem to understand that the point of etiquette is to keep everyone comfortable. For further details refer to her song, "If somebody there chanced to be."
*** Note that Rose's dependence on her book of etiquette is itself a parody of the [[DeadHorseTrope melodramatic trope]] of a character left a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] by a dead parent and regarding it as a moral guide to be obeyed to the letter. This ''may'' be Gilbert's extremely subtle TakeThat at the Nonconformists in Britain who were noted both for their Biblical literalism and for their opposition to the theatre.
* ComplimentBackfire

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** Rose Maybud from ''Ruddigore'' follows etiquette to an excruciating degree, but doesn't seem to understand that the point of etiquette is to keep everyone comfortable. For further details refer to her song, "If somebody there chanced to be."
*** Note that
" Rose's dependence on her book of etiquette is itself a parody of the [[DeadHorseTrope melodramatic trope]] of a character left a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] by a dead parent and regarding it as a moral guide to be obeyed to the letter. This ''may'' be Gilbert's extremely subtle TakeThat at the Nonconformists in Britain who were noted both for their Biblical literalism and for their opposition to the theatre.
* %%* ComplimentBackfire



* DeadpanSnarker: King Gama in ''Princess Ida'' (who was Gilbert's [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed parody]] of himself!)
** For example, when asked casually by a theatre-goer how "''Bloodygore''" (''see'' {{Bowdlerization}}, ''above'') was doing, Gilbert replied, "The name is ''Ruddigore''." "Well, it's the same thing, what?" said the man, to which Gilbert replied, "Then I suppose that if I say, 'I admire your ruddy countenance,' it's the same thing as, 'I like your bloody cheek.' Well, it ''isn't'' -- and ''I '''don't'''!''
* DesignatedVillain: The Murgatroyds in ''Ruddigore'' (actually designated InUniverse by a {{curse}}).

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* DeadpanSnarker: King Gama in ''Princess Ida'' (who was Gilbert's [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed parody]] of himself!)
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himself!) For example, when asked casually by a theatre-goer how "''Bloodygore''" (''see'' {{Bowdlerization}}, ''above'') was doing, Gilbert replied, "The name is ''Ruddigore''." "Well, it's the same thing, what?" said the man, to which Gilbert replied, "Then I suppose that if I say, 'I admire your ruddy countenance,' it's the same thing as, 'I like your bloody cheek.' Well, it ''isn't'' -- and ''I '''don't'''!''
* DesignatedVillain: DesignatedVillain:
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The Murgatroyds in ''Ruddigore'' (actually designated InUniverse by a {{curse}}).



* EvilSoundsDeep: Most of the roles played by Richard Temple -- The Pirate King, Sir Roderick, The Mikado of Japan, ''etc''.
** Some of their {{Villain Song}}s have been very effectively covered by Creator/ChristopherLee, which should tell you quite a bit.

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* EvilSoundsDeep: Most of the roles played by Richard Temple -- The Pirate King, Sir Roderick, The Mikado of Japan, ''etc''.
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''etc''. Some of their {{Villain Song}}s have been very effectively covered by Creator/ChristopherLee, which should tell you quite a bit.



* {{Fainting}}: Happens to Elsie Maynard in ''The Yeoman of the Guard''.

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* {{Fainting}}: {{Fainting}}:
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Happens to Elsie Maynard in ''The Yeoman of the Guard''.



* ForeignLanguageTirade

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* FunetikAksent: A chorus of country bumpkins in ''The Sorcerer'' is helpfully indicated this way. "Eh, but oi du loike you!"
** Then they affect TheQueensEnglish when they're a little more wakeful.

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* FunetikAksent: A chorus of country bumpkins in ''The Sorcerer'' is helpfully indicated this way. "Eh, but oi du loike you!"
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you!" Then they affect TheQueensEnglish when they're a little more wakeful.



* HaveAGayOldTime: Particularly in a certain scene from ''Princess Ida'', when the three sons of King Gama are removing their armour, and sing about "this tight-fitting cuirass."
** How about Tolloler and Mountararat in ''Iolanthe''?

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* HaveAGayOldTime: HaveAGayOldTime:
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Particularly in a certain scene from ''Princess Ida'', when the three sons of King Gama are removing their armour, and sing about "this tight-fitting cuirass."
** %%** How about Tolloler and Mountararat in ''Iolanthe''?



* ModernMajorGeneral: Major-General Stanley, from ''The Pirates of Penzance'', is the TropeNamer.

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* ModernMajorGeneral: ModernMajorGeneral:
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Major-General Stanley, from ''The Pirates of Penzance'', is the TropeNamer.
27th May '17 5:36:55 AM eroock
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->"''To end on a happy note, one can always count on Gilbert and Sullivan for a rousing finale, full of words and music and signifying -- nothing.''"
-->--'''Music/TomLehrer'''

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->''"To
end on a happy note, one can always count on Gilbert and Sullivan for a rousing finale, full of words and music and signifying -- nothing.''"
-->--'''Music/TomLehrer'''
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-->-- '''Music/TomLehrer'''
21st May '17 10:55:27 AM nombretomado
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* AntiquatedLinguistics: Granted, Gilbert was writing in the [[VictorianBritain Victorian Era]], which this trope usually parodies. However, much of Gilbert's dialogue and lyrics were designed to sound humorously overblown and antiquated ''even by Victorian standards''. {{Lampshaded}} in the film version of ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'':

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* AntiquatedLinguistics: Granted, Gilbert was writing in the [[VictorianBritain [[UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain Victorian Era]], which this trope usually parodies. However, much of Gilbert's dialogue and lyrics were designed to sound humorously overblown and antiquated ''even by Victorian standards''. {{Lampshaded}} in the film version of ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'':



* PurpleProse: One of Gilbert's favorite targets for satire, since he had plenty of contemporary examples to draw on in VictorianBritain. A particularly purpurescent example can be found in Act 1 of ''Iolanthe'':

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* PurpleProse: One of Gilbert's favorite targets for satire, since he had plenty of contemporary examples to draw on in VictorianBritain.UsefulNotes/VictorianBritain. A particularly purpurescent example can be found in Act 1 of ''Iolanthe'':



* VictorianBritain: Both the historical period of the authors and the frequent target of their satire.
3rd Apr '17 6:07:01 PM nombretomado
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** Also comes up in ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'', where the Pirate King and the Sergeant of Police have their names given in the ''dramatis personae'' as Richard and Edward, respectively. At no point in the opera are these names mentioned. And four of the Major General's daughters have names but only Mabel's is mentioned.

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** Also comes up in ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'', ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'', where the Pirate King and the Sergeant of Police have their names given in the ''dramatis personae'' as Richard and Edward, respectively. At no point in the opera are these names mentioned. And four of the Major General's daughters have names but only Mabel's is mentioned.



* AntiquatedLinguistics: Granted, Gilbert was writing in the [[VictorianBritain Victorian Era]], which this trope usually parodies. However, much of Gilbert's dialogue and lyrics were designed to sound humorously overblown and antiquated ''even by Victorian standards''. {{Lampshaded}} in the film version of ThePiratesOfPenzance:

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* AntiquatedLinguistics: Granted, Gilbert was writing in the [[VictorianBritain Victorian Era]], which this trope usually parodies. However, much of Gilbert's dialogue and lyrics were designed to sound humorously overblown and antiquated ''even by Victorian standards''. {{Lampshaded}} in the film version of ThePiratesOfPenzance:''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'':



* EvolvingMusic: It's somewhat traditional for certain songs to be updated to poke fun of current topical references. Ko-Ko's "[[ListSong I've Got a Little List]]" from ''TheMikado'' and "The MajorGeneralSong" from ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'' are particularly vulnerable. Gilbert himself sanctioned some of this when he realized that "the lady novelist" on Ko-Ko's list wouldn't always be seen as "[[MostWritersAreMale a singular anomaly]]" and let singers suggest their own alternatives. The lyrics explicitly give permission to fill out the list as they wish.[[note]]The task of filling up the blanks, I'd rather leave to you. But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list, for they'd none of 'em be missed -- they'd none of 'em be missed.[[/note]] The most popular replacement? "[[NatureAbhorsAVirgin The girl who's not been kissed]]" and "[[RoaringTwenties the Prohibitionist]], although more recently, lady novelists have come back into range, either "[[{{Franchise/Twilight}} the vampire novelist]]" or "[[Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey the fetish novelist]]", under the belief that Sir William would find the abilities of both rather lacking.

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* EvolvingMusic: It's somewhat traditional for certain songs to be updated to poke fun of current topical references. Ko-Ko's "[[ListSong I've Got a Little List]]" from ''TheMikado'' and "The MajorGeneralSong" from ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'' ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'' are particularly vulnerable. Gilbert himself sanctioned some of this when he realized that "the lady novelist" on Ko-Ko's list wouldn't always be seen as "[[MostWritersAreMale a singular anomaly]]" and let singers suggest their own alternatives. The lyrics explicitly give permission to fill out the list as they wish.[[note]]The task of filling up the blanks, I'd rather leave to you. But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list, for they'd none of 'em be missed -- they'd none of 'em be missed.[[/note]] The most popular replacement? "[[NatureAbhorsAVirgin The girl who's not been kissed]]" and "[[RoaringTwenties the Prohibitionist]], although more recently, lady novelists have come back into range, either "[[{{Franchise/Twilight}} the vampire novelist]]" or "[[Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey the fetish novelist]]", under the belief that Sir William would find the abilities of both rather lacking.



* IAmSong: "I am the very model of a modern Major General." by General Stanley, ''ThePiratesOfPenzance''. And lots and lots more.

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* IAmSong: "I am the very model of a modern Major General." by General Stanley, ''ThePiratesOfPenzance''.''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance''. And lots and lots more.



* ListSong: Many, as this is a great way to write a PatterSong. Notable examples include, "If you want a receipt for that popular mystery" from ''Patience'', the MajorGeneralSong from ThePiratesOfPenzance, and of course [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin "I've Got a Little List"]] from ''The Mikado.''

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* ListSong: Many, as this is a great way to write a PatterSong. Notable examples include, "If you want a receipt for that popular mystery" from ''Patience'', the MajorGeneralSong from ThePiratesOfPenzance, ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'', and of course [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin "I've Got a Little List"]] from ''The Mikado.''



* {{Pirates}}: As in, ''[[ThePiratesOfPenzance of Penzance]]''.

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* {{Pirates}}: As in, ''[[ThePiratesOfPenzance ''[[Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance of Penzance]]''.



* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: ThePiratesOfPenzance, obviously, but Major General Stanley in the same opera counts as well -- and in ''TheMikado'' Ko-Ko never does his job as executioner, nor do we ever see Pooh Bah performing any of his various capacities. Similarly the Royal Navy in ''HMS Pinafore'' is never engaged in battle. Gilbert actually {{lampshades}} this Trope in ''Theatre/{{Iolanthe}}'', when he has Lord Mountararat proclaim:

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* ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything: ThePiratesOfPenzance, Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance, obviously, but Major General Stanley in the same opera counts as well -- and in ''TheMikado'' Ko-Ko never does his job as executioner, nor do we ever see Pooh Bah performing any of his various capacities. Similarly the Royal Navy in ''HMS Pinafore'' is never engaged in battle. Gilbert actually {{lampshades}} this Trope in ''Theatre/{{Iolanthe}}'', when he has Lord Mountararat proclaim:



* VillainsOutShopping: "When a felon's not engaged in his employment" from ''ThePiratesOfPenzance''.

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* VillainsOutShopping: "When a felon's not engaged in his employment" from ''ThePiratesOfPenzance''.''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance''.
14th Mar '17 1:36:48 PM capsaicinfinity
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*** Mrs Partlet and the Notary don't get any ShipTease in the libretto. As such, their pairing off for the finale pretty much counts as pairing the only remotely age-appropriate spares.

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*** **** Mrs Partlet and the Notary don't get any ShipTease in the libretto. As such, their pairing off for the finale pretty much counts as pairing the only remotely age-appropriate spares.
14th Mar '17 1:34:30 PM capsaicinfinity
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*** Mrs Partlet and the Notary don't get any ShipTease in the libretto- most of their roles are to be comically ill-suited [[RomanticFalseLead Romantic False Leads]] for Sir Marmaduke and Constance respectively. As such, their pairing off for the finale pretty much counts as pairing the only remotely age-appropriate spares.

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*** Mrs Partlet and the Notary don't get any ShipTease in the libretto- most of their roles are to be comically ill-suited [[RomanticFalseLead Romantic False Leads]] for Sir Marmaduke and Constance respectively.libretto. As such, their pairing off for the finale pretty much counts as pairing the only remotely age-appropriate spares.
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