History CrapsackWorld / MythologyAndReligion

28th Oct '17 12:57:24 PM nombretomado
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* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is the concept of predestination: [[YouCantFightFate no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate]]. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon the damned have no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this, God is supposed to come across as good when to many he [[GodIsEvil comes across as very, very evil]].

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* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is the concept of predestination: [[YouCantFightFate no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate]]. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon the damned have no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this, God is supposed to come across as good when to many he [[GodIsEvil comes across as very, very evil]].
23rd Apr '17 11:52:39 AM Dravencour
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* The basic idea of the [[UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} Gnostics]] was that Earth is a Crapsack World made by a would-be God that didn't make it quite right.

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* The basic idea of the [[UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} Gnostics]] was that Earth is a Crapsack World made by a flawed would-be God that didn't make it quite right.trapped humanity in a prison of matter and flesh and tyrannizes over them.
23rd Apr '17 11:49:27 AM Dravencour
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* The basic idea of the [[UsefulNotes/Gnosticism Gnostics]] was that Earth is a Crapsack World made by a would-be God that messed things up.

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* The basic idea of the [[UsefulNotes/Gnosticism [[UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} Gnostics]] was that Earth is a Crapsack World made by a would-be God that messed things up.didn't make it quite right.
23rd Apr '17 11:48:29 AM Dravencour
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* Greek Mythology depicts the world as ruled by a pantheon of JerkassGods who will [[DisproportionateRetribution utterly screw over mortals]] ([[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal often literally]]) for the most petty of reasons, or no reason at all. (The Olympian gods deposed the Titans, who were allegedly worse, but we only have the Olympians' word for it.) Oh, and by the way, [[YouCantFightFate destiny rules everything]] and [[YouCannotChangeTheFuture man has no control over his life]]. Nice to note that of the four deities in the pantheon that were nice to humans, one was [[EverybodyHatesHades god of the underworld]], one was his wife, one is a Titan - who created humanity in the first place(Promethus), and the other had that as her primary character trait.

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* Greek Mythology depicts the world as ruled by a pantheon of JerkassGods who will [[DisproportionateRetribution utterly screw over mortals]] ([[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal often literally]]) for the most petty of reasons, or no reason at all. (The Olympian gods deposed the Titans, who were allegedly worse, but we only have the Olympians' word for it.) Oh, and by the way, [[YouCantFightFate destiny rules everything]] and [[YouCannotChangeTheFuture man has no control over his own life]]. Nice to note that of the four deities in the pantheon that were actually nice to humans, one was [[EverybodyHatesHades god of the underworld]], one was his wife, one is was a Titan - who created humanity in the first place(Promethus), place (Prometheus), and the other had that as her primary character trait.



** Also, the pain of whatever killed you in life carries on eternally in the afterlife. [[NightmareFuel Ponder that for a moment.]] There are ways to improve the general shityness of the afterlife, however. First and foremost is having lots of children. Having few, or no, children will severely increase your suffering in the afterlife. The reason for this is unexplained, but one would assume it is related to the lack of grave offerings or something of that sort. There is also the possibility of being upgraded to godhood upon death (which happened to Gilgamesh himself in one of the Sumerian poems) which will give you a small part of the underworld to reign over and possibly improve.

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** Also, the pain of whatever killed you in life carries on eternally in the afterlife. [[NightmareFuel Ponder that for a moment.]] There are ways to improve the general shityness shittiness of the afterlife, however. First and foremost is having lots of children. Having few, or no, children will severely increase your suffering in the afterlife. The reason for this is unexplained, but one would assume it is related to the lack of grave offerings or something of that sort. There is also the possibility of being upgraded to godhood upon death (which happened to Gilgamesh himself in one of the Sumerian poems) which will give you a small part of the underworld to reign over and possibly improve.



* Should you die in Pharaonic Egypt, you have to take a very long walk across the desert (hope the people who buried you put a map in your tomb), at which point your heart gets weighed. If it outweighs a magical feather representing Truth, its get thrown to the beast Ammit, who eats it and condemns you to CessationOfExistence. If the feather outweighs it ([[Literature/AmericanGods "We made it really heavy"]]), you get to... work in Osiris's fields for all eternity. [[SarcasmMode Hep hep hooray]]. You get to do what, in all likelihood, you did for your entire mortal life.

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* Should you die in Pharaonic Egypt, you have to take a very long walk across the desert (hope the people who buried you put a map in your tomb), at which point your heart gets weighed. If it outweighs a magical feather representing Truth, its get it gets thrown to the beast Ammit, who eats it and condemns you to CessationOfExistence. If the feather outweighs it ([[Literature/AmericanGods "We made it really heavy"]]), you get to... work in Osiris's fields for all eternity. [[SarcasmMode Hep hep Hip hip hooray]]. You get to do what, in all likelihood, you did for your entire mortal life.



* Many mythologies have one or several deities occupied with creating intricate traps and riddles in order to "test" humans. The only problem is that many to most of these tests could only be passed with [[Manga/DeathNote Light-like]] levels of omniscience. Which is to say they are impossible, unless you have the [[ScrewTheRulesIHavePlot Power of Plot]] on your side OR [[LuckBasedMission you don't actually solve it,]] but [[BornLucky are ridiculously lucky]].
* The basic idea of the Gnostics was that Earth is a Crapsack World.
* The book of Ecclesiastes in TheBible is basically an affirmation of this. The Ecclesiastes himself offers no relief nor heavenly afterlife after death, but mere cessation of existence.
* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is the concept of predestination: [[YouCantFightFate no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate]]. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].
* How can we forget Norse mythology in which the world is doomed to end in ice and fire overrun by giants and monsters and the gods themselves will die? The light at the end of the tunnel really IS an oncoming train. Going to Valhalla just means training for the Final Battle.

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* Many mythologies have one or several deities occupied with creating intricate traps and riddles in order to "test" humans. The only problem is that many to most of these tests could only be passed with [[Manga/DeathNote Light-like]] Light Yagami-like]] levels of omniscience. Which is to say they are impossible, unless you have the [[ScrewTheRulesIHavePlot Power of Plot]] on your side OR [[LuckBasedMission you don't actually solve it,]] but [[BornLucky are ridiculously lucky]].
* The basic idea of the Gnostics [[UsefulNotes/Gnosticism Gnostics]] was that Earth is a Crapsack World.
World made by a would-be God that messed things up.
* The book of Ecclesiastes in TheBible is basically an affirmation of this. The Ecclesiastes himself offers no relief nor heavenly afterlife after death, but mere cessation of existence.
CessationOfExistence.
* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is the concept of predestination: [[YouCantFightFate no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate]]. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon the damned has have no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this this, God is supposed to come across as good when to many he [[GodIsEvil comes across as very, very evil]].
* How And how can we forget Norse mythology in which the world is doomed to end in ice and fire overrun by giants and monsters and the gods themselves will die? The light at the end of the tunnel really IS an oncoming train. Going to Valhalla just means training for the Final Battle.Battle of Ragnarok.
3rd Aug '16 9:00:48 AM morane
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* The book of Ecclesiastes is basically an affirmation of this. The Ecclesiastes himself offers no relief nor heavenly afterlife after death, but mere cessation of existence.
* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].

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* The book of Ecclesiastes in TheBible is basically an affirmation of this. The Ecclesiastes himself offers no relief nor heavenly afterlife after death, but mere cessation of existence.
* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is the concept of predestination: [[YouCantFightFate no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate.fate]]. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].
8th Jun '16 11:14:45 AM roxana
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* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].

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* Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].evil]].
* How can we forget Norse mythology in which the world is doomed to end in ice and fire overrun by giants and monsters and the gods themselves will die? The light at the end of the tunnel really IS an oncoming train. Going to Valhalla just means training for the Final Battle.
1st Jun '16 6:41:56 PM baschapp
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* Greek Mythology depicts the world as ruled by a pantheon of JerkassGods who will [[DisproportionateRetribution utterly screw over mortals]] ([[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal often literally]]) for the most petty of reasons, or no reason at all. (The Olympian gods deposed the Titans, who were allegedly worse, but we only have the Olympians' word for it.) Oh, and by the way, [[YouCantFightFate destiny rules everything]] and [[YouCannotChangeTheFuture man has no control over his life]]. Nice to note that of the two deities in the pantheon that were nice to humans, one was [[EverybodyHatesHades god of the underworld]] and the other had that as her primary character trait.

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* Greek Mythology depicts the world as ruled by a pantheon of JerkassGods who will [[DisproportionateRetribution utterly screw over mortals]] ([[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal often literally]]) for the most petty of reasons, or no reason at all. (The Olympian gods deposed the Titans, who were allegedly worse, but we only have the Olympians' word for it.) Oh, and by the way, [[YouCantFightFate destiny rules everything]] and [[YouCannotChangeTheFuture man has no control over his life]]. Nice to note that of the two four deities in the pantheon that were nice to humans, one was [[EverybodyHatesHades god of the underworld]] underworld]], one was his wife, one is a Titan - who created humanity in the first place(Promethus), and the other had that as her primary character trait.
1st Jan '16 5:20:11 PM jormis29
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** One last thing that cements Greek mythology as being this trope: There is a reason that Hope is one of the things in Pandora's box. The Greeks believed that it was just as bad, or even worse, then all the other ills in the box, because it deludes people into thinking that they don't live in a CrapsackWorld, only to [[YankTheDogsChain crush this belief utterly]].

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** One last thing that cements Greek mythology as being this trope: There is a reason that Hope is one of the things in Pandora's box.PandorasBox. The Greeks believed that it was just as bad, or even worse, then all the other ills in the box, because it deludes people into thinking that they don't live in a CrapsackWorld, only to [[YankTheDogsChain crush this belief utterly]].
20th Mar '15 10:02:21 AM valar55
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* Calvinism, is a denomination of {{Christianity}}, that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].

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* Calvinism, Calvinism is a denomination of {{Christianity}}, {{Christianity}} that believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity is doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell eternal damnation]] while a select few are chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is no human has any chance or choice to avoid their fate. It was all decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].
17th Jul '14 9:29:11 PM seekquaze1
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* All of the other Crapsack World entries, however, utterly pale by comparison to the blood-chilling [[CosmicHorrorStory cosmic horror story]] that is classic [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism Calvinism.]] This is a cosmogony that makes H.P. Lovecraft in his darker literary moods look like a starry-eyed optimist and the world of Warhammer 40K look like the Hundred Acre Wood from Winnie the Pooh. [[FridgeHorror Shorn of euphemisms]], the narrative of Calvinism is essentially this: Before the foundation of the world, an omnipotent [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abomination]], [[GodIsEvil AKA "God,"]] predestined the fate of humanity (and presumably any other intelligent life). In this scheme, the greater mass of the human race is utterly doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell an appalling damnation]]. After an apocalyptic Time of Judgment in which [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt all of creation is basically obliterated]], God will banish the "reprobate" to Hell, where he will apply his infinite intellect and reality warping powers to inflict the most agonizing torments conceivable upon each and every resident for all time. Think [[AndIMustScream I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream]] cranked up [[FateWorseThanDeath to infinity.]] Anything nice that happens to the damned in [[RealLife the fleeting interval]] before they are consumed by the yawning maw of Gehenna is deliberate mockery, by the way–fattening before the kill. And the principle for separating the wheat from the chaff? [[JerkassGods There isn't one!]] There can't be. [[YouCantFightFate God has prearranged every single event in history]], after all. Any apparent instance of virtue or vice in the life of a human is a clockwork inevitability without moral import. No merit or demerit accounts for the fate of an individual in this cosmic passion play, and indeed, the most villainous bastard may be scooped up into the bosom of the almighty while a thousand [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy hapless ordinary blokes]] are sent into perdition. Concomitantly, no act of defiance is possible. You can't even freely choose to ''hate'' God. Those "lucky" souls who receive the capricious mercies of the divine–the "elect"–will be ordained, ''by mind control,'' [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul to sing his praises for orchestrating the aforesaid for all eternity.]] Rather than a product of divine “justice,” the fates of the damned and the elect are merely trophies from God ''to himself.'' Each glorifies the comprehensive omnipotence of his power–respectively and reciprocally, the absoluteness of his power to destroy, and irresistibility of his charisma. Yep, that's right: Calvinism can conceive of nothing greater than an all-powerful narcissist. And this waking nightmare will never, ever, ever, ever, ''ever,'' end. [[DespairEventHorizon There is no hope, and never was.]]

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* All Calvinism, is a denomination of the other Crapsack World entries, however, utterly pale by comparison to the blood-chilling [[CosmicHorrorStory cosmic horror story]] {{Christianity}}, that is classic [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism Calvinism.]] This is a cosmogony that makes H.P. Lovecraft in his darker literary moods look believes {{God}} [[YouCantFightFate preordained everything]] before the universe was created like a starry-eyed optimist and the world of Warhammer 40K look like the Hundred Acre Wood from Winnie the Pooh. [[FridgeHorror Shorn of euphemisms]], the narrative of Calvinism is essentially this: Before the foundation of the world, an omnipotent [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abomination]], [[GodIsEvil AKA "God,"]] predestined the fate movie script with every single detail plotted out before hand. Most of humanity (and presumably any other intelligent life). In this scheme, the greater mass of the human race is utterly doomed to [[FireAndBrimstoneHell an appalling damnation]]. After an apocalyptic Time of Judgment in which [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt all of creation is basically obliterated]], God will banish the "reprobate" to Hell, where he will apply his infinite intellect and reality warping powers to inflict the most agonizing torments conceivable upon each and every resident for all time. Think [[AndIMustScream I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream]] cranked up [[FateWorseThanDeath to infinity.]] Anything nice that happens to the damned in [[RealLife the fleeting interval]] before they are consumed by the yawning maw of Gehenna is deliberate mockery, by the way–fattening before the kill. And the principle for separating the wheat from the chaff? [[JerkassGods There isn't one!]] There can't be. [[YouCantFightFate God has prearranged every single event in history]], after all. Any apparent instance of virtue or vice in the life of a human is a clockwork inevitability without moral import. No merit or demerit accounts for the fate of an individual in this cosmic passion play, and indeed, the most villainous bastard may be scooped up into the bosom of the almighty eternal damnation]] while a thousand [[RidiculouslyAverageGuy hapless ordinary blokes]] select few are sent into perdition. Concomitantly, chosen to enter heaven. What is truly horrifying is no act of defiance is possible. You can't even freely choose human has any chance or choice to ''hate'' God. Those "lucky" souls who receive the capricious mercies of the divine–the "elect"–will be ordained, ''by mind control,'' [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul to sing his praises for orchestrating the aforesaid for avoid their fate. It was all eternity.]] Rather than a product of divine “justice,” the fates of the damned and the elect are merely trophies from God ''to himself.'' Each glorifies the comprehensive omnipotence of his power–respectively and reciprocally, the absoluteness of his power to destroy, and irresistibility of his charisma. Yep, that's right: Calvinism can conceive of nothing greater than an all-powerful narcissist. And this waking nightmare will never, ever, ever, ever, ''ever,'' end. decided beforehand so [[DespairEventHorizon There damned has no chance to escape eternal damnation.]] Despite this God is no hope, and never was.]]supposed to come across as good when to many [[GodIsEvil comes across as evil]].
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