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30th Jun '17 7:54:55 AM Cuddles
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** Buddhism is known as a largely pacifistic religion, with practitioners usually being vegetarian (since you might be eating someone who has been reincarnated as an animal) and even going so far as to sweep the floor to avoid stepping on bugs. In fact, Buddhists have been involved in plenty of wars and violence over the years, and learning martial arts in a remote Buddhist temple has been a stable of fiction for a long time. The religion whose practitioners sometimes sweep to avoid killing bugs is Jainism, a religion as old as Buddhism which most people know even less about.


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** Although to be fair, neo-pagans have as much connection to the original religions as modern Wiccans do; both are inventions of the 20th century, with the original beliefs having died out hundreds of years ago.
7th Jun '17 10:08:11 AM MormonPazazu
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* If you genuinely think that God is supposed to be a [[GrandpaGod physical 6ft Caucasian human male]] with a stomach, bladder, and scrotum and who sits on a cloud within Earth's atmosphere,[[note]]To be fair, a handful do believe this, but they are strictly [[JackChick ''EXTREMELY'' Fundamentalist]][[/note]] that Jesus is held to look Germanic [[note]] Jesus probably would have looked white contraire to modern claims from politically motivated groups and nonwhite Christians claim, he just would have had a darker shade of white skin compared to many depictions in Hollywoood and the English speaking world[/note], that anything more than a minority of Christians are Creationists OR homophobes OR sexists OR racists, that X thing being included or mentioned in the Bible in-and-of itself automatically means God condones it, or that the contents of Bible can be perfectly understood at face value despite the fact that we are a culture thousands of years and miles from the one that wrote it, then you are ''inexcusably'' ignorant on the topic of Christianity, and will doubtlessly learn ''a lot'' from this article (if you don't read it, then it's only a matter of time before you get into an argument with someone who knows enough of the subject matter to ''eat you alive'').

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* If you genuinely think that God is supposed to be a [[GrandpaGod physical 6ft Caucasian human male]] with a stomach, bladder, and scrotum and who sits on a cloud within Earth's atmosphere,[[note]]To be fair, a handful do believe this, but they are strictly [[JackChick ''EXTREMELY'' Fundamentalist]][[/note]] that Jesus is held to look Germanic [[note]] Jesus probably would have looked white contraire to modern claims from politically motivated groups and nonwhite Christians claim, he just would have had a darker shade of white skin compared to many depictions in Hollywoood and the English speaking world[/note], world[[/note]], that anything more than a minority of Christians are Creationists OR homophobes OR sexists OR racists, that X thing being included or mentioned in the Bible in-and-of itself automatically means God condones it, or that the contents of Bible can be perfectly understood at face value despite the fact that we are a culture thousands of years and miles from the one that wrote it, then you are ''inexcusably'' ignorant on the topic of Christianity, and will doubtlessly learn ''a lot'' from this article (if you don't read it, then it's only a matter of time before you get into an argument with someone who knows enough of the subject matter to ''eat you alive'').
7th Jun '17 10:05:14 AM MormonPazazu
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* If you genuinely think that God is supposed to be a [[GrandpaGod physical 6ft Caucasian human male]] with a stomach, bladder, and scrotum and who sits on a cloud within Earth's atmosphere,[[note]]To be fair, a handful do believe this, but they are strictly [[JackChick ''EXTREMELY'' Fundamentalist]][[/note]] that Jesus is held to be white, that anything more than a minority of Christians are Creationists OR homophobes OR sexists OR racists, that X thing being included or mentioned in the Bible in-and-of itself automatically means God condones it, or that the contents of Bible can be perfectly understood at face value despite the fact that we are a culture thousands of years and miles from the one that wrote it, then you are ''inexcusably'' ignorant on the topic of Christianity, and will doubtlessly learn ''a lot'' from this article (if you don't read it, then it's only a matter of time before you get into an argument with someone who knows enough of the subject matter to ''eat you alive'').

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* If you genuinely think that God is supposed to be a [[GrandpaGod physical 6ft Caucasian human male]] with a stomach, bladder, and scrotum and who sits on a cloud within Earth's atmosphere,[[note]]To be fair, a handful do believe this, but they are strictly [[JackChick ''EXTREMELY'' Fundamentalist]][[/note]] that Jesus is held to be white, look Germanic [[note]] Jesus probably would have looked white contraire to modern claims from politically motivated groups and nonwhite Christians claim, he just would have had a darker shade of white skin compared to many depictions in Hollywoood and the English speaking world[/note], that anything more than a minority of Christians are Creationists OR homophobes OR sexists OR racists, that X thing being included or mentioned in the Bible in-and-of itself automatically means God condones it, or that the contents of Bible can be perfectly understood at face value despite the fact that we are a culture thousands of years and miles from the one that wrote it, then you are ''inexcusably'' ignorant on the topic of Christianity, and will doubtlessly learn ''a lot'' from this article (if you don't read it, then it's only a matter of time before you get into an argument with someone who knows enough of the subject matter to ''eat you alive'').



** Also, another annoying misconception is about the nature of yoga. Most Westerners think of yoga as some sort of effete, trendy workout routine, when it's actually a millennia-old method of ''prayer.'' While the physical benefits have always been known, Hindus have always considered the physical benefits of yoga to be ''secondary'' to the religious benefits. Interestingly enough, in the West, yoga is often seen as a trendy practice of young women and metrosexual men, but in Hindu culture, yoga's usually seen as something practiced by one's ''elders'' (technically they are all encouraged to practice it, but in practice it's usually the elderly who are the most regular yogis). The current Western version of yoga was in fact introduced [[NewerThanTheyThink c. 1960]] and is mostly based not on the ancient practice, but military physical exercises of the Indian Army in the 19th century. Its conflation (and especially the use of prayers to gods such as Vishnu or Hanuman) is a source of great offense to the more traditional Hindus.
*** Hindus are also often stereotyped in Western media as being a bunch of hippies, or at least the religion is stereotyped as being a "hippie" religion, probably because '''A.''' Most Westerners' main exposure to Hinduism (and Buddhism) was when Western hippies practiced their own ''WILDLY'' inaccurate ThemeParkVersion of Hinduism and Buddhism in TheSixties, and '''B.''' because the most famous Indian and Hindu in the West's frame of reference is the pacifist UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi. But in actuality, the Hindu faith encourages people ''not'' to shy away from a fight (at least, when the fight is viewed as being necessary and justified). The Bhagavad Gita is ''all about'' Lord Krishna instructing the reluctant warrior Arjuna to be brave, and urging him to charge fearlessly into battle against the bad guys. The Gita is actually a very pro-military book. So yeah, Hindus are ''not'' a bunch of hippies, thank you very much.
*** Also probably impacted by some Hindus being vegetarian (which is mostly to do with the belief that people are reincarnated into animals, with it being very bad karma to eat one's relatives in animal form).
*** And the very word "Hindu" is just the Farsi word for the river Indus. It just means "India". The religions of the sub-continent are not one religion; rather they are a network of interrelated faiths, which share a group of certain core traits.
*** Hinduism is diverse enough that it is in fact the first belief system which incorporated ''atheism.'' Like Buddhism, Hinduism is compatible with atheism or agnosticism in regards to the gods (who may be seen as merely symbolic, or simply especially powerful beings who aren't actually divine).

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** Also, another annoying misconception is about the nature of yoga. Most Westerners think of yoga as some sort of effete, trendy workout routine, when it's actually a millennia-old method of ''prayer.'' While the physical benefits have always been known, Hindus have always considered the physical benefits of yoga to be ''secondary'' to the religious benefits. Interestingly enough, in the West, yoga is often seen as a trendy practice of young women and metrosexual men, but in Hindu culture, yoga's usually seen as something practiced by one's ''elders'' (technically they are all encouraged to practice it, but in practice it's usually the elderly who are the most regular yogis). The current Western version of yoga was in fact introduced [[NewerThanTheyThink c. 1960]] and is mostly based not on the ancient practice, but military physical exercises of the Indian Army in the 19th century. Its conflation (and especially the use of prayers to gods such as Vishnu or Hanuman) is a source of great offense to the more traditional Hindus.
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Hindus are also often stereotyped in Western media as being a bunch of hippies, or at least the religion is stereotyped as being a "hippie" religion, probably because '''A.''' Most Westerners' main exposure to Hinduism (and Buddhism) was when Western hippies practiced their own ''WILDLY'' inaccurate ThemeParkVersion of Hinduism and Buddhism in TheSixties, and '''B.''' because the most famous Indian and Hindu in the West's frame of reference is the pacifist UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi. But in actuality, the Hindu faith encourages people ''not'' to shy away from a fight (at least, when the fight is viewed as being necessary and justified). The Bhagavad Gita is ''all about'' Lord Krishna instructing the reluctant warrior Arjuna to be brave, and urging him to charge fearlessly into battle against the bad guys. The Gita is actually a very pro-military book. So yeah, Hindus are ''not'' a bunch of hippies, thank you very much.
*** ** Also probably impacted by some Hindus being vegetarian (which is mostly to do with the belief that people are reincarnated into animals, with it being very bad karma to eat one's relatives in animal form).
*** ** And the very word "Hindu" is just the Farsi word for the river Indus. It just means "India". The religions of the sub-continent are not one religion; rather they are a network of interrelated faiths, which share a group of certain core traits.
*** ** Hinduism is diverse enough that it is in fact the first belief system which incorporated ''atheism.'' Like Buddhism, Hinduism is compatible with atheism or agnosticism in regards to the gods (who may be seen as merely symbolic, or simply especially powerful beings who aren't actually divine).
22nd Jan '17 6:42:21 PM LordDynasmon
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* {{UsefulNotes/Islam}} [[AcceptableTargets gets it particularly bad]]. Most Westerners don't know anything about the religion and its beliefs, let alone that [[NotSoDifferent Muslims hold Jesus and Mary in high esteem]], or that [[NeverHurtAnInnocent killing civilians is strictly forbidden under Islamic law]]. [[Note]] In fact, there's a heck of a lot of stuff the Koran forbids but that Alquaeda and ISIS do anyway, although this is actually simply because most people in the middle east are illiterate.[[/note]] [[OlderThanPrint This isn't a new thing either]]: in medieval Europe there was a widespread belief that Islam was a pagan desert cult centered around the worship of Muhammad[[note]]Muslims do not ever worship Muhammad or anyone but Allah (God). This is SeriousBusiness[[/note]] and its followers were called "Mohammedans" for this reason. Even today, most Westerners who criticize Islam on the grounds of its being misogynist, violent, and reactionary etc. have doubtless never read the entire Qur'an.

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* {{UsefulNotes/Islam}} [[AcceptableTargets gets it particularly bad]]. Most Westerners don't know anything about the religion and its beliefs, let alone that [[NotSoDifferent Muslims hold Jesus and Mary in high esteem]], or that [[NeverHurtAnInnocent killing civilians is strictly forbidden under Islamic law]]. [[Note]] In [[note]]In fact, there's a heck of a lot of stuff the Koran forbids but that Alquaeda and ISIS do anyway, although this is actually simply because most people in the middle east are illiterate.[[/note]] [[OlderThanPrint This isn't a new thing either]]: in medieval Europe there was a widespread belief that Islam was a pagan desert cult centered around the worship of Muhammad[[note]]Muslims do not ever worship Muhammad or anyone but Allah (God). This is SeriousBusiness[[/note]] and its followers were called "Mohammedans" for this reason. Even today, most Westerners who criticize Islam on the grounds of its being misogynist, violent, and reactionary etc. have doubtless never read the entire Qur'an.
21st Jan '17 3:03:50 AM Luppercus
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** Also thinking that Hades was the Greek equivalent of Satan and that the Greek Underworld was a FireAnd BrimstoneHell. In reality Hades was a very nice guy and probably one of the more benevolent gods and the Greek Underworld has nothing to do with the Christian Hell (which doesn’t had Fire and Brimstone either but that’s another story). Hollywood is probably the one to blame as Hades is often depicted as a Devilish version in most movies like Disney’s Hercules and the Percy Jackson movie (not the book though). The Hades in Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys was more accurate.

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** Also thinking that Hades was the Greek equivalent of Satan and that the Greek Underworld was a FireAnd BrimstoneHell.FireAndBrimstoneHell. In reality Hades was a very nice guy and probably one of the more benevolent gods and the Greek Underworld has nothing to do with the Christian Hell (which doesn’t had Fire and Brimstone either but that’s another story). Hollywood is probably the one to blame as Hades is often depicted as a Devilish version in most movies like Disney’s Hercules and the Percy Jackson movie (not the book though). The Hades in Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys was more accurate.
21st Jan '17 3:03:08 AM Luppercus
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** Also thinking that Hades was the Greek equivalent of Satan and that the Greek Underworld was a FireAnd BrimstoneHell. In reality Hades was a very nice guy and probably one of the more benevolent gods and the Greek Underworld has nothing to do with the Christian Hell (which doesn’t had Fire and Brimstone either but that’s another story). Hollywood is probably the one to blame as Hades is often depicted as a Devilish version in most movies like Disney’s Hercules and the Percy Jackson movie (not the book though). The Hades in Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys was more accurate.



** Even Buddhists refer to Siddharta Gautaman as "Buddha". The Buddha. Even though technically any creature who has reached Enlightenment is a Buddha (which means "the awakened one" in Sanskrit).

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** Even Buddhists refer to Siddharta Gautaman Gautama as "Buddha". The Buddha. Even though technically any creature who has reached Enlightenment is a Buddha (which means "the awakened one" in Sanskrit).
9th Dec '16 8:49:02 PM Mhazard
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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of. To be precise, while the ''Literature/BookOfRomans'' condemns the act of homosexual sex, specifically, the act of men going against the nature of heterosexual marriage and having same-sex sexual acts as a form of adultery, and the historical fact the Romans back then [[FairForItsDay were indeed troubled by the problem of sexual immorality]], such as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome same-sex concubines and prostitution]], but it never tells the people to hate gay people, it merely tells them to flee from sexual immorality.

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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of. To be precise, while the ''Literature/BookOfRomans'' condemns the act of homosexual sex, specifically, the act of men going against the nature of heterosexual marriage and having same-sex sexual acts as a form of adultery, and the historical fact the Romans back then [[FairForItsDay were indeed troubled by the problem of sexual immorality]], such as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome same-sex concubines and prostitution]], but it never ''never'' tells the people to hate gay people, it merely tells them to flee from sexual immorality.



** Actually, there were plenty of "witch burnings" in America... by the Indians, who did not need white men to tell them to be harsh on (accusations of) anti-social magic working.

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** Actually, there were plenty of "witch burnings" "[[BurnTheWitch witch burnings]]" in America... by the Indians, who did not need white men to tell them to be harsh on (accusations of) anti-social magic working.
9th Dec '16 8:46:39 PM Mhazard
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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of. To be precise, while the ''Literature/BookOfRomans'' condemns the act of homosexual sex, specifically, the act of men going against the nature of heterosexual marriage and having same-sex sexual acts as a form of adultery, and the fact [[FairForItsDay the Romans back then were troubled by the problem of sexual immortality]], such as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome same-sex concubines and prostitution]], but it never tells the people to hate gay people.

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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of. To be precise, while the ''Literature/BookOfRomans'' condemns the act of homosexual sex, specifically, the act of men going against the nature of heterosexual marriage and having same-sex sexual acts as a form of adultery, and the historical fact [[FairForItsDay the Romans back then [[FairForItsDay were indeed troubled by the problem of sexual immortality]], immorality]], such as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome same-sex concubines and prostitution]], but it never tells the people to hate gay people.people, it merely tells them to flee from sexual immorality.
9th Dec '16 8:45:07 PM Mhazard
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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of. To be precise, ''Literature/TheBookOfRomans'' condemns the act of homosexual sex, specifically, the act of men going against the nature of heterosexual marriage and having same-sex sexual acts as a form of adultery, and the fact [[FairForItsDay the Romans back then were troubled by the problem of sexual immortality]], but it never tells the people to hate gay people.

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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of. To be precise, ''Literature/TheBookOfRomans'' while the ''Literature/BookOfRomans'' condemns the act of homosexual sex, specifically, the act of men going against the nature of heterosexual marriage and having same-sex sexual acts as a form of adultery, and the fact [[FairForItsDay the Romans back then were troubled by the problem of sexual immortality]], such as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome same-sex concubines and prostitution]], but it never tells the people to hate gay people.
9th Dec '16 8:43:10 PM Mhazard
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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of.

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* God does not hate ''anyone'' let alone gay people. The Westboro Baptists are literally the ''only'' Christians to claim otherwise (aside from the occasional person who never bothered to learn anything about the religion they think they follow and who also happens to be a bigot). Any other fundie will finish their rant, no matter how loud and angry, with "but remember, hate the sin, love the sinner." In fact, Not only are there absolutely plenty of Christians who don't think there's anything wrong with gay marriage at all and who have the scholarly exegesis to back it up, but the majority of people against gay marriage aren't even fundamentalist and have no hatred in their hearts at all, any more than you would for a child or sibling who was throwing their life away in some manner. There are few things you could tell them about being gay that they won't already be aware of. To be precise, ''Literature/TheBookOfRomans'' condemns the act of homosexual sex, specifically, the act of men going against the nature of heterosexual marriage and having same-sex sexual acts as a form of adultery, and the fact [[FairForItsDay the Romans back then were troubled by the problem of sexual immortality]], but it never tells the people to hate gay people.
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