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21st Jul '16 6:26:58 AM dmcreif
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** There is actually something else that needs to be understood about Watergate. The popular perception of Watergate is that Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward from ''The Washington Post'' found out about a corrupt government conspiracy, investigated it and brought the President down. While Woodward in particular was already investigating the break-in, this wouldn't have gotten him nearly so far without the intervention of the mysterious "Deep Throat", who fed Woodward and Bernstein information that allowed them to pursue it much further than they would otherwise have been able to. In 2005, "Deep Throat" was revealed to be Mark Felt, the FBI official in charge of the government's internal investigation into the break-in. Mark Felt had it in against Nixon, who promoted someone else to be the director of the FBI instead of himself. Felt had the investigative resources to catch Nixon in the act, and leaked his findings to the media. What is commonly understood to be a cool morality play of young journalists speaking truth to power has an element of truth to it, but it's often overlooked that Woodward and Bernstein were enabled and assisted by a rogue FBI official striking against his boss. Or said government conspiracy being blown open by a man who realized things had gone too far, [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation if you want to take a more altruistic view of Felt]]. In fact Felt was under investigation himself for illegal FBI actions of the time, such as warrantless searches of residences and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique dangling people out of windows by their ankles]] to get information on the Weather Underground, which he was convicted of, but pardoned by President UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan as his appeal was pending. Either way, this actually serves to undercut the idea of the 'omnipotent all-controlling government' even further; an entire shadowy conspiracy was undercut and brought down by something as simple as a disgruntled employee.
** Another thing not widely understood about Watergate was just what it was all about. Most people seem to remember that operatives of the Committee To Re-Elect the President broke into a Democratic Party office to spy on the enemy. True enough, but this was merely the tail end of a CREEP conspiracy that started not long after Nixon took office, the goal of which was to undermine the nomination campaign of every Democratic presidential contender but George [=McGovern=], who was judged the easiest to beat in 1972. They even had a backup plan, in case [=McGovern=] did too well: they'd managed to find and hide the psychiatric treatment records of [=McGovern=]'s VP nominee, Eagleton, which they then leaked in order to damage the [=McGovern=] campaign. The damage was enough to just about sink it. The story is told in depth in ''Nixonland,'' by Mark Perlstein.
** One more thing that is often forgotten is the fact that Watergate wasn't an isolated incident. The White House "Plumbers", which was effectively a secret police Nixon compiled out of ex-CIA and FBI members, were active throughout Nixon's first term. Nixon was a very paranoid man who falsely believed in many non-existent conspiracies against him. Thus, he assembled "The Plumbers" to undermine and/or discredit those who he believed were behind conspiracies against him, who ranged from major political figures, members of his staff to celebrities on his infamous "enemies list". The mere existence of "The Plumbers" on their own was extremely unconstitutional and grounds for impeachment, and everything they did throughout Nixon's first term were abuses of power on his part. The Watergate break-in was simply what caused Nixon to get caught. Even then, there wasn't enough evidence to implicate Nixon in the break-in; he only got tied into it when he tried to thwart the FBI's investigation into the break-in and cover it up, and he did that because he (correctly) predicted that the investigation of the break-in would reveal all the other abuses of power he was engaging in. And that is why Watergate became as huge as it did - it snowballed into the revelation that President Nixon had his own secret police running around ending the careers of everyone he distrusted and that he had basically rigged the 1972 election in his favor. And that is also why the public was hungry for Nixon's head on a platter after the scandal broke, and became so outraged at UsefulNotes/GeraldFord's pardon of him.

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** There is actually something else that needs to be understood about Watergate. The popular perception of Watergate is that Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward from ''The Washington Post'' found out about a corrupt government conspiracy, investigated it and brought the President down. While chief editor Ben Bradlee had already assigned Woodward in particular was already investigating to cover the story of the break-in, this wouldn't have gotten him nearly so far without the intervention of the mysterious "Deep Throat", who fed Woodward and Bernstein information that allowed them to pursue it much further than they would otherwise have been able to. In 2005, "Deep Throat" was revealed to be Mark Felt, the FBI Associate Director and the official in charge of the government's internal investigation into the break-in.break-in[[note]]Though many had speculated that Felt was "Deep Throat" from as early as 1974, when Woodward and Bernstein first published ''All the President's Men''[[/note]]. Mark Felt had it in against Nixon, who promoted someone else to be the director of the FBI instead of himself. Felt had the investigative resources to catch Nixon in the act, and leaked his findings to the media. What is commonly understood to be a cool morality play of young journalists speaking truth to power has an element of truth to it, but it's often overlooked that Woodward and Bernstein were enabled and assisted by a rogue FBI official striking against his boss. Or said government conspiracy being blown open by a man who realized things had gone too far, [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation if you want to take a more altruistic view of Felt]]. In fact Felt was under investigation himself for illegal FBI actions of the time, such as warrantless searches of residences and [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique dangling people out of windows by their ankles]] to get information on the Weather Underground, which he was convicted of, but pardoned by President UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan as his appeal was pending. Either way, this actually serves to undercut the idea of the 'omnipotent all-controlling government' even further; an entire shadowy conspiracy was undercut and brought down by something as simple as a disgruntled employee.
** Another thing not widely understood about Watergate was just what it was all about. Most people seem to remember that operatives of the Committee To Re-Elect the President broke into a Democratic Party office to spy on the enemy. True enough, but this was merely the tail end of a CREEP conspiracy that started not long after Nixon took office, the goal of which was to undermine the nomination campaign of every Democratic presidential contender but George [=McGovern=], who was judged the easiest to beat in 1972. They even had a backup plan, in case [=McGovern=] did too well: they'd managed to find and hide the psychiatric treatment records of [=McGovern=]'s VP nominee, nominee Thomas Eagleton, which they then leaked in order to damage the [=McGovern=] campaign. The damage was enough to just about sink it. The story is told in depth in ''Nixonland,'' by Mark Perlstein.
** One more **The most important thing about Watergate, and one that is often forgotten forgotten, is the fact that Watergate it wasn't an isolated incident. The During his first term, Nixon had formed the White House "Plumbers", which was effectively a secret police Nixon compiled out of ex-CIA and FBI members, were active throughout Nixon's first term.members. Nixon was a very paranoid man who falsely believed in many non-existent conspiracies against him. Thus, he assembled "The Plumbers" to undermine and/or discredit those who he believed were behind conspiracies against him, who ranged from major political figures, members of his staff to celebrities on his infamous "enemies list". The mere existence of "The Plumbers" on their own was extremely unconstitutional and grounds for impeachment, and everything they did throughout Nixon's first term were abuses of power on his part. The Watergate break-in was simply what caused Nixon to get caught. Even then, there wasn't enough evidence to implicate Nixon in the break-in; [[RevealingCoverUp he only got tied into it when he tried to thwart the FBI's investigation into the break-in and cover it up, up]], and he did that because he (correctly) predicted that the investigation of the break-in would reveal all the other abuses of power he was engaging in. And that is why Watergate became as huge as it did - it a simple break-in snowballed into the revelation that President Nixon had his own secret police running around ending the careers of everyone he distrusted and that he had basically rigged the 1972 election in his favor. And that is also why the public was hungry for Nixon's head on a platter after the scandal broke, and became so outraged at UsefulNotes/GeraldFord's pardon of him.
14th May '16 5:22:05 PM AgProv
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* Twenty-seven years later, it has finally emerged that the Hillsborough stadium disaster of 1989 (in which 96 people died in a crush at a football stadium in Sheffield, England) was in fact due to incompetent handling by the West Yorkshire Police. Police, politicians and national newspapers colluded to hide the truth and transfer the blame to the visiting Liverpool fans, who were described as drunken criminal thugs and other slanders. The fact the secret was kept for so long is blamed largely on a culture of ''omerta'' among British policemen which makes the Mafia look tight-lipped by comparison. Even policemen who were honest, blameless and who had no part in the bad decision-making felt intimidated into silence by the dominant culture of their service even if they were privately horrified by the event. Add in [[BritishNewspapers a red-top press]] keen to label all football fans as criminal scum, and what was then a [[MargaretThatcher Thatcher government]] with no love for the working classes and a perceived need to support the police right or wrong, and you get that rare thing - a conspiracy that worked where nobody broke ranks. Until the inquest came along - 27 years after the event.

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* Twenty-seven years later, it has finally emerged that the Hillsborough stadium disaster of 1989 (in which 96 people died in a crush at a football stadium in Sheffield, England) was in fact due to incompetent handling by the West Yorkshire Police. Police, politicians and national newspapers colluded to hide the truth and transfer the blame to the visiting Liverpool fans, who were described as drunken criminal thugs and other slanders. The fact the secret was kept for so long is blamed largely on a culture of ''omerta'' among British policemen which makes the Mafia look tight-lipped loose-lipped blabbermouths by comparison. Even policemen who were honest, blameless and who had no part in the bad decision-making felt intimidated into silence by the dominant culture of their service even if they were privately horrified by the event. Add in [[BritishNewspapers a red-top press]] keen to label all football fans as criminal scum, and what was then a [[MargaretThatcher Thatcher government]] with no love for the working classes and a perceived need to support the police right or wrong, and you get that rare thing - a conspiracy that worked where nobody broke ranks. Until the inquest came along - 27 years after the event.
28th Apr '16 8:50:04 AM AgProv
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* Twenty-seven years later, it has finally emerged that the Hillsborough stadium disaster of 1989 (in which 96 people died in a crush at a football stadium in Sheffield, England) was in fact due to incompetent handling by the West Yorkshire Police. Police, politicians and national newspapers colluded to hide the truth and transfer the blame to the visiting Liverpool fans, who were described as drunken criminal thugs and other slanders. The fact the secret was kept for so long is blamed largely on a culture of ''omerta'' among British policemen which makes the Mafia look tight-lipped by comparison. Even policemen who were honest, blameless and who had no part in the bad decision-making felt intimidated into silence by the dominant culture of their service even if they were privately horrified by the event. Add in [[BritishNewspapers a red-top press]] keen to label all football fans as criminal scum, and what was then a [[MargaretThatcher Thatcher government]] with no love for the working classes and a perceived need to support the police right or wrong, and you get that rare thing - a conspiracy that worked where nobody broke ranks. Until the inquest came along - 27 years after the event.
6th Apr '16 6:14:30 AM DracoKanji
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* There's also the old one that UsefulNotes/KentuckyFriedChicken started to secretly use [[ArtificialMeat vat grown meat]] and changed its name to KFC in-order to stop people suing or the goverment from cracking down by removing the word chicken. It was actually because fried foods had been increasingly considered unhealthy and the company wanted to distance itself from [[UnfortunateIngredients the stigma around the word "fried"]]; indeed, the menus use the word "chicken" multiple times.
** Somewhat HilariousInHindsight when you recall the major fuss that was made about the first steps towards ArtificialMeat in 2012-2013. Even more so now that they're trying to use a wave of old-time nostalgia for the same purpose; besides using an actor to portray founder and mascot Colonel Sanders [[note]]at one point Creator/NormMacDonald)[[/note]], they're now labeling their buckets as - you guessed it - "Kentucky Fried Chicken" again.

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* There's also the old one that UsefulNotes/KentuckyFriedChicken started to secretly use [[ArtificialMeat vat grown meat]] and changed its name to KFC in-order to stop people suing or the goverment from cracking down by removing the word chicken. It was actually because fried foods had been increasingly considered unhealthy and the company wanted to distance itself from [[UnfortunateIngredients the stigma around the word "fried"]]; indeed, the menus use the word "chicken" multiple times.
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times. Somewhat HilariousInHindsight when you recall the major fuss that was made about the first steps towards ArtificialMeat in 2012-2013. Even more so now that they're trying to use a wave of old-time nostalgia for the same purpose; besides using an actor to portray founder and mascot Colonel Sanders [[note]]at one point Creator/NormMacDonald)[[/note]], they're now labeling their buckets as - you guessed it - "Kentucky Fried Chicken" again.
6th Apr '16 6:13:19 AM DracoKanji
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** Somewhat HilariousInHindsight when you recall the major fuss that was made about the first steps towards ArtificialMeat in 2012-2013. Even more so now that they're trying to use a wave of old-time nostalgia for the same purpose; besides using an actor to portray founder and mascot Colonel Sanders (currently Creator/NormMacDonald), they're now labeling their buckets as - you guessed it - "Kentucky Fried Chicken" again.

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** Somewhat HilariousInHindsight when you recall the major fuss that was made about the first steps towards ArtificialMeat in 2012-2013. Even more so now that they're trying to use a wave of old-time nostalgia for the same purpose; besides using an actor to portray founder and mascot Colonel Sanders (currently Creator/NormMacDonald), [[note]]at one point Creator/NormMacDonald)[[/note]], they're now labeling their buckets as - you guessed it - "Kentucky Fried Chicken" again.
4th Apr '16 2:51:16 PM Chabal2
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* One ''ComicBook/HellBlazer'' story has John tell a reporter the truth about the BritishRoyalFamily. Turns out they're snake monsters, born from TheReptilians mating with German royalty a few centuries ago, PrincessDiana was murdered so they could extract the alien fetus from her body, TheGrays are their servants, JFK was killed by a literal MagicBullet fired by a Gray (while his Reptilian boss looked on), and there's a network of tunnels under BuckinghamPalace leading to (among others) Area51. And then John gets shot while in the bathroom, leading the reporter to run for his life. [[spoiler:It's all John trolling the poor schmuck, of course.]]


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* One ''ComicBook/HellBlazer'' story has John tell a reporter the truth about the British royal family. Turns out they're snake monsters, born from TheReptilians mating with German royalty a few centuries ago, Princess Diana was murdered so they could extract the alien fetus from her body, TheGrays are their servants, JFK was killed by a literal MagicBullet fired by a Gray (while his Reptilian boss looked on), and there's a network of tunnels under Buckingham Palace leading to (among others) Area51. And then John gets shot while in the bathroom, leading the reporter to run for his life. [[spoiler:It's all John trolling the poor schmuck, of course.]]
4th Apr '16 2:49:46 PM Chabal2
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* One ''ComicBook/HellBlazer'' story has John tell a reporter the truth about the BritishRoyalFamily. Turns out they're snake monsters, born from TheReptilians mating with German royalty a few centuries ago, PrincessDiana was murdered so they could extract the alien fetus from her body, TheGrays are their servants, JFK was killed by a literal MagicBullet fired by a Gray (while his Reptilian boss looked on), and there's a network of tunnels under BuckinghamPalace leading to (among others) Area51. And then John gets shot while in the bathroom, leading the reporter to run for his life. [[spoiler:It's all John trolling the poor schmuck, of course.]]
3rd Apr '16 10:47:00 AM Tarlonniel
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* The suspicious death of ex-{{Music/X Japan}} bassist {{Music/Taiji Sawada}} in Saipan is, in light of further information, deserving of inclusion in this section. Information revealed by at least one investigating journalist and sources who knew him before his death (and his fiancee and mother who saw his body before it was cremated) have established that the people around him near the end of his life including his manager and his religious adviser, both of whom were friends with each other were stealing money from him and yet demanding him to stay with them. The manager, Kitami Terumi, had contacts in high places in Saipan. While it is not in doubt that Taiji got into a fight with her on the airplane, there is no video or audio evidence of the fight (on a flight headed to a tourist destination, at that) or other witness testimony of how he acted on the plane, and the only documentation of the incident is the FBI arrest report. Post arrest, his treatment seemed even more unreasonable and suspicious: he was detained (rather than released on own recognizance, medically evacuated to a far more competent neurological/psychiatric treatment hospital than Saipan's Community Health Center, or bailed out, despite having someone willing to pay his bail and let him live with him), and within two days (during which, someone had made a call to his fiancee from his phone extorting money) he allegedly committed suicide by hanging with a bedsheet. Except, according to his mother and fiancee, who saw his body, there was no damage to his neck despite his suffering a condition that would have made his bones very easily breakable. Instead, he was braindead, with a red slash mark to the chest. The religious adviser, Shinsho, who had been working to steal money from him with Ms. Terumi, did an end-run around the family to demand the cremation of the body in six days, despite no autopsy having been done to confirm actual cause of death. While the "why" and even the "who" of his death are still unknown, and the official story is still "hanging by bedsheet," so much of the story even before his actual death and whatever may have caused it is so absolutely unusual and suspicious that something definitely improper happened at some point.
14th Dec '15 3:41:02 PM Eliphas8
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* A fairly obscure one: the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter Zinoviev letter]], allegedly sent from the Comintern to the Communist Party of Great Britain calling on them to inflitrate the Labour government, is believed by historians to have been forged by Russian monarchist groups in exile.
14th Dec '15 3:27:07 PM Eliphas8
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* Existing in the gray area between Real Conspiracies and the more batty ones, is the idea that the Egyptian revolution was only allowed to succeed by the military so that all of the dissidents would come out publicly, making it that much easier for the military to take and hold power shortly down the line. All with the benefit of removing Mubarack from power and eliminating any danger of his idiot son succeeding him.
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