History ConservationOfNinjutsu / LiveActionTV

11th May '16 11:19:44 AM Tapol
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* Perfectly illustrated in Marvel Netflix' ''Series/Daredevil''. In the first season, Daredevil is nearly killed in a fight with one ninja, Nobu. In the second season, at first Daredevil he Hand a horde of ninjas and has a hard time beating them because they slowed down their breathing and their hard to hear. Once Stick tells him to listen to the sound of their weapons, Daredevil can fight them. In the final episode he and Elektra easily cut through dozens of them.
16th Dec '15 6:06:23 AM DaibhidC
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* In ''Series/{{Grimm}}'', a single Wesen criminal is a serious threat that can only be tackled by a Grimm or another Wesen, and even then it's chancy. When small armys of Wesen attack, BadassNormal Hank can usually punch out a couple with no trouble.
15th Dec '15 5:34:58 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* ''Series/Arrow'': At first Oliver Queen is barely able to defeat one member of the League of Shadows, but as the series continues he fights more and more League ninja at a time, and many of them are little more than mooks who are taken out by supporting characters.

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* ''Series/Arrow'': ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': At first Oliver Queen is barely able to defeat one member of the League of Shadows, but as the series continues he fights more and more League ninja at a time, and many of them are little more than mooks who are taken out by supporting characters.
13th Nov '15 2:01:59 PM DeadlyAssassin
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** Against Species 8472, the Borg send legions of Borg cubes, all of which are taken down in seconds. CurbStompBattle indeed.
21st Oct '15 4:27:45 AM kknizaa
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* ''Series/BabylonFive'': Presents a rare good-guy example of this: when there's only one White Star, it's unstoppable. Once there's a fleet, they start getting taken down by mid-level enemies, often with no Vorlon or Shadow support.
** This is especially bad since the White Stars are meant to be able to learn from each hit it takes, so that the armour gets stronger after every battle. Even as late as the fourth series, the White Stars continued to get weaker: in Series 3, it takes 3 White Stars to destroy a Shadow warship([[spoiler: after a telepath has jammed it]]), but by the battle of Proxima 3, 4 White Stars are needed to deal with a single Earth destroyer, an incredibly simpler ship with far less firepower (albeit with the ability to manoeuvre ), which Sheridan stated was weaker than The White Star.
** WordOfGod [[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/081.html says]] that the White Star fleet was deliberately pulling its punches to avoid slaughtering the Earth Forces. Sheridan wanted the EA ships to stand down or defect. (It ''was'' a civil war.)
*** The evidence for this exists in the episodes themselves. In the battle in "No Surrender, No Retreat", Sheridan shows concern for the crew of the ''Pollux'' when that ship is destroyed--a ship whose captain and crew had ''[[KickTheDog openly fired on innocent civilians]]''. After the battle, he considers his task force to have "achieved the mission objective", but because an Earth Alliance vessel had been destroyed in the process, it's ''not'' a victory to him. The only time the White Stars are ''not'' pulling their punches in this conflict are when they face the "special force" of Earth ships (which have been heavily enhanced), and when they're scrambling to destroy [[spoiler:the Earth's defensive grid before it starts firing on the planet below.]]
** This also seems to apply to the Shadows and Vorlons - Shadow battlecrabs were notoriously difficult to kill and Vorlons were pretty much invincible. Until the Battle of Coriana, when they started blowing up left and right. (Though in fairness, the coalition force arrayed against them was pretty huge too.) The casualties were massively slanted against the allied fleet.
** Also at Coriana VI, the Vorlons and Shadows were up against other First Ones, who presumably had weapons at least equal to them, and superior to what the Younger Races had on their ships.

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* ''Series/BabylonFive'': Presents a rare good-guy example of this: when there's only one White Star, it's unstoppable. Once there's a fleet, they start getting taken down by mid-level enemies, often with no Vorlon or Shadow support.
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support. This is especially bad since the White Stars are meant to be able to learn from each hit it takes, so that the armour gets stronger after every battle. Even as late as the fourth series, the White Stars continued to get weaker: in Series 3, it takes 3 White Stars to destroy a Shadow warship([[spoiler: after a telepath has jammed it]]), warship, but by the battle of Proxima 3, 4 White Stars are needed to deal with a single Earth destroyer, an incredibly simpler ship with far less firepower (albeit with the ability to manoeuvre ), firepower, which Sheridan stated was weaker than The White Star.
** WordOfGod [[http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/081.html says]] that the White Star fleet was deliberately pulling its punches to avoid slaughtering the Earth Forces. Sheridan wanted the EA ships to stand down or defect. (It ''was'' a civil war.)
*** The evidence for this exists in the episodes themselves. In the battle in "No Surrender, No Retreat", Sheridan shows concern for the crew of the ''Pollux'' when that ship is destroyed--a ship whose captain and crew had ''[[KickTheDog openly fired on innocent civilians]]''. After the battle, he considers his task force to have "achieved the mission objective", but because an Earth Alliance vessel had been destroyed in the process, it's ''not'' a victory to him. The only time the White Stars are ''not'' pulling their punches in this conflict are when they face the "special force" of Earth ships (which have been heavily enhanced), and when they're scrambling to destroy [[spoiler:the Earth's defensive grid before it starts firing on the planet below.]]
** This also seems to apply to the Shadows and Vorlons - Shadow battlecrabs were notoriously difficult to kill and Vorlons were pretty much invincible. Until the Battle of Coriana, when they started blowing up left and right. (Though in fairness, the coalition force arrayed against them was pretty huge too.) The casualties were massively slanted against the allied fleet.\n** Also at Coriana VI, the Vorlons and Shadows were up against other First Ones, who presumably had weapons at least equal to them, and superior to what the Younger Races had on their ships.



** To be fair, the Daleks do seem capable of making good on this threat - they are so much more advanced that during the ensuing fire fight they are seen to take out dozens of Cybermen, but not one of the four Daleks takes damage.

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** To be fair, the The Daleks do seem capable of making good on this threat - -- they are so much more advanced that during the ensuing fire fight they are seen to take out dozens of Cybermen, but not one of the four Daleks takes damage.



*** In that case, though, the ''Voyager'' was equipped with weapons and armor ''from the future.''
21st Oct '15 4:23:51 AM kknizaa
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* ''Franchise/SuperSentai'' and ''Franchise/PowerRangers'': There are many instances of a monster beating up an entire team of Rangers, only to be defeated by a single Ranger in a [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself sufficiently climactic battle]].
** The [[{{Mooks}} enemy grunts]] are an exception, though. They are pushovers in small or moderate numbers, but huge hordes of them occasionally manage to overpower the Rangers (happens especially in season finales).

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* ''Franchise/SuperSentai'' and ''Franchise/PowerRangers'': There are ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' have many instances of a monster beating up an entire team of Rangers, only to be defeated by a single Ranger in a [[ThisIsSomethingHesGotToDoHimself sufficiently climactic battle]].
** The [[{{Mooks}} enemy grunts]] are an exception, though. They are pushovers in small or moderate numbers, but huge hordes of them occasionally manage to overpower the Rangers (happens especially in season finales).
battle]].



** Funny you should mention the Megazord, since they're victims of this as well. A single combined one from every machine available can destroy practically anything, but two or three fighting together usually get knocked around like ragdolls.
** Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger subverts this. In an early episode The Gokaigers face off against 6th ranger key clones they are able to defeat them but the 5 of them are overpowered by the other 10 keys. In The 199 heroes movie The Gokiagers and Goseigers are able to easily take on a couple of dozen ranger clones at a time in pairs of 2 and Gosei Knight easily takes out the 6th ranger clones.

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** Funny you should mention the Megazord, since they're The Megazords are victims of this as well. A single combined one from every machine available can destroy practically anything, but two or three fighting together usually get knocked around like ragdolls.
** Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger subverts this. In an early episode The Gokaigers face off against 6th ranger key clones they are able to defeat them but the 5 of them are overpowered by the other 10 keys. In The 199 heroes movie The Gokiagers and Goseigers are able to easily take on a couple of dozen ranger clones at a time in pairs of 2 and Gosei Knight easily takes out the 6th ranger clones.
ragdolls.
30th Jun '15 10:28:44 AM nombretomado
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* ''Series/BattlestarGalacticaReimagined'': You see this near the end of the show. Where initially a few Cylon Centurions were nigh-unstoppable juggernauts that needed to have their heads blown up before they stopped, in a suitably dramatic StormTheCastle situation the dangerously outnumbered Battlestar crew can bring them down in droves with a few sporadically-fired 9mm rounds. [[spoiler:Admittedly, they had the help of other Cylons by this point, which ''could'' mean better bullets.]] Plus the fact that the Colonials in the start of the series were armed for the last Cylon war, and the new units were massive upgrades, while at the end of the series they'd been fighting Cylons for years on end, and had plenty of time to improve.

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* ''Series/BattlestarGalacticaReimagined'': ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'': You see this near the end of the show. Where initially a few Cylon Centurions were nigh-unstoppable juggernauts that needed to have their heads blown up before they stopped, in a suitably dramatic StormTheCastle situation the dangerously outnumbered Battlestar crew can bring them down in droves with a few sporadically-fired 9mm rounds. [[spoiler:Admittedly, they had the help of other Cylons by this point, which ''could'' mean better bullets.]] Plus the fact that the Colonials in the start of the series were armed for the last Cylon war, and the new units were massive upgrades, while at the end of the series they'd been fighting Cylons for years on end, and had plenty of time to improve.
3rd Apr '15 6:00:06 PM Blazer
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** In ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "Best of Both Worlds, Part II," the Borg blows away an entire Federation taskforce, without even a fight. However the Enterprise-D is able to go it alone against the Borg cube, and escape with only minor damage.

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** In ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "Best of Both Worlds, Part II," the Borg blows away an entire Federation taskforce, without even a fight. However the Enterprise-D is able to go it alone against the Borg cube, and escape with only minor damage. This is justified by A) the Borg having Picard, thus knowing what Starfleet would do and B) the ships moving in in single-file formation. When the Borg return to Earth in ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact'', Starfleet has learned their lesson and employ a "swarm" tactic, which leads to a severely damaged Borg Cube, even if many of the ships are damaged or destroyed.
7th Dec '14 3:22:13 AM tcarter1102
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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Buffyverse [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] were particularly subject to this trope. Individual [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] could be fairly respectable opponents, though they still had a bad track record of getting one-stab killed after Season 1. Whenever [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] gathered in groups, they were cannon fodder. One just hopes they don't have problems with splinters.
** The final season mixed this trope with a good dose of, ahem, VillainDecay. The first Turok-Han 'uber-vamp' was a nearly unstoppable force very narrowly beaten by the Slayer after several victories. In the finale, however, the Scoobies went up against an army of them, and Xander, Anya, and the slayers-still-in-training were taking hundreds of them down easily. In the DVD commentary, Joss Whedon points out that this was a conscious decision, claiming that "they couldn't all be as hard to beat as the first one," since that would make the last fight unwinnable. No in-universe explanation is given, though each potential Slayer had just each received a power equal to a fully fledged Slayer, so it isn't entirely implausible. Several Slayers die in the battle until [[spoiler: Spike saves the day with a heroic sacrifice]]. Nothing else left to do but recite [[MST3KMantra the Mantra]] and shrug it off.

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'': Buffyverse [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] were particularly subject to this trope. Individual [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] could be fairly respectable opponents, though they still had a bad track record of getting one-stab killed after Season 1. Whenever [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] gathered in groups, they were cannon fodder. One just hopes they don't have problems with splinters.
splinters. This is justified in that each character is constantly improving their fighting skills.
** The final season mixed this trope with a good dose of, ahem, VillainDecay. The first Turok-Han 'uber-vamp' was a nearly unstoppable force very narrowly beaten by the Slayer after several victories. In the finale, however, the Scoobies went up against an army of them, and Xander, Anya, and the slayers-still-in-training were taking hundreds of them down easily. In the DVD commentary, Joss Whedon points out that this was a conscious decision, claiming that "they couldn't all be as hard to beat as the first one," since that would make the last fight unwinnable. No in-universe explanation is given, though each potential Slayer had presumably been trained by Buffy and had just each received a power powers equal to a fully fledged Slayer, so it isn't entirely implausible. Several Slayers die in the battle until [[spoiler: Spike saves the day with a heroic sacrifice]]. Nothing else left to do but recite [[MST3KMantra the Mantra]] and shrug it off.
7th Dec '14 3:19:24 AM tcarter1102
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** The final season mixed this trope with a good dose of, ahem, VillainDecay. The first Turok-Han 'uber-vamp' was a nearly unstoppable force very narrowly beaten by the Slayer after several victories. In the finale, however, the Scoobies went up against an army of them, and Xander, Anya, and the slayers-still-in-training were taking hundreds of them down easily. In the DVD commentary, Joss Whedon points out that this was a conscious decision, claiming that "they couldn't all be as hard to beat as the first one," since that would make the last fight unwinnable. No in-universe explanation is given, simply the remark that storytelling is more important than an internally-consistent canon. Nothing else left to do but recite [[MST3KMantra the Mantra]] and shrug it off.

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** The final season mixed this trope with a good dose of, ahem, VillainDecay. The first Turok-Han 'uber-vamp' was a nearly unstoppable force very narrowly beaten by the Slayer after several victories. In the finale, however, the Scoobies went up against an army of them, and Xander, Anya, and the slayers-still-in-training were taking hundreds of them down easily. In the DVD commentary, Joss Whedon points out that this was a conscious decision, claiming that "they couldn't all be as hard to beat as the first one," since that would make the last fight unwinnable. No in-universe explanation is given, simply though each potential Slayer had just each received a power equal to a fully fledged Slayer, so it isn't entirely implausible. Several Slayers die in the remark that storytelling is more important than an internally-consistent canon.battle until [[spoiler: Spike saves the day with a heroic sacrifice]]. Nothing else left to do but recite [[MST3KMantra the Mantra]] and shrug it off.
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