History Comicbook / RedSkull

15th May '18 8:04:41 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: In Universe, the Red Skull is without question one of the most reviled, despised, detested, and flat out hated villains in the entire Marvel Universe, loathed by both heroes and villains alike. Put simply, when even '''[[ComicBook/TheJoker the Joker]]''' wants nothing to do with you, you know you're a vile, irredeemable piece of trash.

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* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: In Universe, the Red Skull is without question one of the most reviled, despised, detested, and flat out hated villains in the entire Marvel Universe, loathed by both heroes and villains alike. Put simply, when even '''[[ComicBook/TheJoker the Joker]]''' [[EvenEvilHasStandards wants nothing to do with you, you]], you know you're a vile, irredeemable piece of trash.



* AbsurdlyCoolCity: New York City, Reichsfuehrer Red Skull's seat of power in the AlternateUniverse where the Nazis conquered the world. It looks like a mixture of real New York, Nazi Berlin and the original Film/{{Metropolis}}, only more modern with features like giant telescreens and futuristic airships.

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* AbsurdlyCoolCity: New York City, Reichsfuehrer Red Skull's seat of power in the AlternateUniverse where the Nazis conquered the world. It looks like a mixture of real New York, Nazi Berlin and the original Film/{{Metropolis}}, only more modern with features like giant telescreens and [[ZeppelinsFromAnotherWorld futuristic airships.airships]].
1st May '18 12:59:17 PM fruitstripegum
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* VillainProtagonist: In the old (and obscure) ''Super-Villain Team-Up'' comic, there were a few Skull-centric stories. Also in occasional one-shots and stray issues of ''Captain America.''
* VillainRespect: Most versions can respect and even admire the competence and determination of the more worthy among the heroes he fights, though disagreeing with their ideals. Especially [[WorthyOpponent Captain America.]]
* VillainWorld: Some alternate universes show worlds where his schemes succeeded and he took over, one way or another. Usually they look [[PuttingOnTheReich a lot like Nazi Germany.]]



* VillainProtagonist: In the old (and obscure) ''Super-Villain Team-Up'' comic, there were a few Skull-centric stories. Also in occasional one-shots and stray issues of ''Captain America.''
* VillainRespect: Most versions can respect and even admire the competence and determination of the more worthy among the heroes he fights, though disagreeing with their ideals. Especially [[WorthyOpponent Captain America.]]
* VillainWorld: Some alternate universes show worlds where his schemes succeeded and he took over, one way or another. Usually they look [[PuttingOnTheReich a lot like Nazi Germany.]]



* WeakButSkilled: Not weak by human standards, but when compared to superheroes like Captain America. Thanks to TrainingFromHell and martial arts mastery, he can still credibly fight low-tier super types hand-to-hand (though he usually still loses to Cap when the odds are even).



* WeakButSkilled: Not weak by human standards, but when compared to superheroes like Captain America. Thanks to TrainingFromHell and martial arts mastery, he can still credibly fight low-tier super types hand-to-hand (though he usually still loses to Cap when the odds are even).
1st May '18 12:57:55 PM fruitstripegum
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* TechnologicallyBlindElders: Averted; by now he's over a hundred, but like the real Hitler he remains a technology enthusiast and still keeps abreast of the latest tech.



* TechnologicallyBlindElders: Averted; by now he's over a hundred, but like the real Hitler he remains a technology enthusiast and still keeps abreast of the latest tech.
1st May '18 12:57:37 PM fruitstripegum
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* StupidJetpackHitler: Turns out the Skull financed the research into a lot of sci-fi technology in the 1940s.



* StupidJetpackHitler: Turns out the Skull financed the research into a lot of sci-fi technology in the 1940s.
1st May '18 12:56:03 PM fruitstripegum
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* ShadesOfConflict: The Skull has obviously never been portrayed as a good guy, but just how repulsively evil he is varies a lot between [[DependingOnTheWriter different depictions]]. At his "nicest" he's basically just a Nazi general who believes in his cause and is prepared to do whatever it takes to win the war. This version is [[KnightTemplar fanatical and totally ruthless]], but not personally sadistic or murderous. On the other hand, some versions are ''nothing but'' sadistic and murderous and believe in no principles or ideals, Nazi or otherwise. Similarly, his enemies can be portrayed as [[KnightInShiningArmor all-American, "apple pie" crusaders]] or more cynical government agents. Or the writer can have him fight [[EvilVersusEvil the Commies or the evil mutants]] for a change.



* ShadesOfConflict: The Skull has obviously never been portrayed as a good guy, but just how repulsively evil he is varies a lot between [[DependingOnTheWriter different depictions]]. At his "nicest" he's basically just a Nazi general who believes in his cause and is prepared to do whatever it takes to win the war. This version is [[KnightTemplar fanatical and totally ruthless]], but not personally sadistic or murderous. On the other hand, some versions are ''nothing but'' sadistic and murderous and believe in no principles or ideals, Nazi or otherwise. Similarly, his enemies can be portrayed as [[KnightInShiningArmor all-American, "apple pie" crusaders]] or more cynical government agents. Or the writer can have him fight [[EvilVersusEvil the Commies or the evil mutants]] for a change.
1st May '18 12:54:47 PM fruitstripegum
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* NonActionGuy: As a boy, he was too weak to defend himself from the older, stronger criminals who preyed on him, and instead learned to flee and hide when he could and ''endure'' when he couldn't. After he joined the Nazis, worked ''[[TookALevelInBadass very hard]]'' to avert this so he'd never be weak and vulnerable again, and is now one of Marvel's premier villainous [[BadassNormal Badass Normals]].
* NonIdleRich: Usually in his modern appearances. With his corporate and crime connections, he is easily a billionaire, who could retire comfortably into obscurity, should he wish it. However, he gives nearly all of his money away to fund his Nazi underground, instead--And of course, spends most of his time taking a very active part in running it.
* NotLikeOtherGirls: Sharon Carter, as he sees it. He has interacted with her enough, in various settings, to recognize that she's intelligent, capable and brave, [[MenAreBetterThanWomen which most women aren't]], and appears honestly impressed, even admiring her in some stories.



* NonActionGuy: As a boy, he was too weak to defend himself from the older, stronger criminals who preyed on him, and instead learned to flee and hide when he could and ''endure'' when he couldn't. After he joined the Nazis, worked ''[[TookALevelInBadass very hard]]'' to avert this so he'd never be weak and vulnerable again, and is now one of Marvel's premier villainous [[BadassNormal Badass Normals]].
* NonIdleRich: Usually in his modern appearances. With his corporate and crime connections, he is easily a billionaire, who could retire comfortably into obscurity, should he wish it. However, he gives nearly all of his money away to fund his Nazi underground, instead--And of course, spends most of his time taking a very active part in running it.
* NotLikeOtherGirls: Sharon Carter, as he sees it. He has interacted with her enough, in various settings, to recognize that she's intelligent, capable and brave, [[MenAreBetterThanWomen which most women aren't]], and appears honestly impressed, even admiring her in some stories.
1st May '18 12:53:32 PM fruitstripegum
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* JerkJock: An [[AxCrazy extreme]] example when he went insane after his mind was moved into a clone of Captain America. See below.


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* JerkJock: An [[AxCrazy extreme]] example when he went insane after his mind was moved into a clone of Captain America. See below.
1st May '18 12:51:59 PM fruitstripegum
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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: This is how the Skull views himself, and all of Nazism: They may have done some [[DirtyBusiness Bad Things]], but only because they tried to stop the much more villainous [[CorruptCorporateExecutive international bankers]] and [[DirtyCommies global Communists]] who are destroying the world, and got desperate enough to copy some of their methods. Incidentally, this is also pretty much what the real-life Nazis said to justify themselves.


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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: This is how the Skull views himself, and all of Nazism: They may have done some [[DirtyBusiness Bad Things]], but only because they tried to stop the much more villainous [[CorruptCorporateExecutive international bankers]] and [[DirtyCommies global Communists]] who are destroying the world, and got desperate enough to copy some of their methods. Incidentally, this is also pretty much what the real-life Nazis said to justify themselves.
1st May '18 12:51:24 PM fruitstripegum
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* GoneHorriblyRight: He was Hitler's attempt to show that he could create the ultimate Nazi Ubermensch. He was such a success that even Hitler started becoming scared of him.



* GoneHorriblyRight: He was Hitler's attempt to show that he could create the ultimate Nazi Ubermensch. He was such a success that even Hitler started becoming scared of him.
1st May '18 12:48:19 PM fruitstripegum
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* {{Expy}}: In many stories, Red Skull functions as one for Hitler, sharing many of his character traits (either real or the [[ArtisticLicenseHistory pop-culture version]] of them, depending on how much research the writer has done). Baron Zemo also originally functioned as one for the Skull himself in the early ''Avengers'' comics, before Marvel decided to re-imagine him for their modern stories.



* {{Expy}}: In many stories, Red Skull functions as one for Hitler, sharing many of his character traits (either real or the [[ArtisticLicenseHistory pop-culture version]] of them, depending on how much research the writer has done). Baron Zemo also originally functioned as one for the Skull himself in the early ''Avengers'' comics, before Marvel decided to re-imagine him for their modern stories.
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