History Comicbook / RedSkull

16th Jul '17 8:40:22 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* CharlesAtlasSuperpower: Most versions of him don't have any powers. This doesn't prevent him from holding his own in fights with Cap.



** Perhaps most notably tragic in EarthX, where Captain America essentially eulogizes him to his mind-controlling successor. But then, all Earth X villains but the Celestials are tragic.

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** Perhaps most notably tragic in EarthX, ComicBook/EarthX, where Captain America essentially eulogizes him to his mind-controlling successor. But then, all Earth X villains but the Celestials are tragic.
16th Jul '17 1:07:24 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* TheAce: In most versions, basically Hitler if he was a larger-than-life James Bond villain, only more so. In other words, a brilliant politician, orator, military leader, etc, who has read at least one book on almost every arcane topic [[PhotographicMemory and recalls them word for word]], speaks several languages and is personally charming and charismatic, [[FauxAffablyEvil at least when he wants to be]] -- PLUS a world-class soldier, martial artist and dead shot who can offer ComicBook/CaptainAmerica at least a reasonably fair match hand to hand.

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* TheAce: In most versions, basically Hitler if he was a larger-than-life James Bond Franchise/JamesBond villain, only more so. In other words, a brilliant politician, orator, military leader, etc, who has read at least one book on almost every arcane topic [[PhotographicMemory and recalls them word for word]], speaks several languages and is personally charming and charismatic, [[FauxAffablyEvil at least when he wants to be]] -- PLUS a world-class soldier, martial artist and dead shot who can offer ComicBook/CaptainAmerica at least a reasonably fair match hand to hand.
15th Jul '17 10:07:30 AM nombretomado
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Hitler, who seemed to recognize much of himself in the frustrated, resentful, unsuccessful yet obviously talented young man, became a sort of EvilMentor and father figure to him, encouraging him to educate himself and grooming him for a powerful position in the Nazi state. (According to one version, to be his own successor.) Subordinate only to Hitler himself, the young, brilliant and ruthless Schmidt was placed in charge of foreign espionage and terrorist activities, playing a key role in Nazi victories in Europe and spreading fear (his red skull mask was intended to be a symbol of terror while Hitler could remain the popular leader in a national version of GoodCopBadCop). He eventually moved onto the United States as WorldWarII continued and sabotaged the top secret Project Rebirth by assassinating Prof. Erskine. Preparing for the inevitable war against Germany, the Americans decided to create their own GoodCounterpart to the Red Skull's evil, the sole successful Super Soldier serum test subject, Steve Rogers, and trained him to become ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, the man who was to become Schmidt's ArchEnemy.

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Hitler, who seemed to recognize much of himself in the frustrated, resentful, unsuccessful yet obviously talented young man, became a sort of EvilMentor and father figure to him, encouraging him to educate himself and grooming him for a powerful position in the Nazi state. (According to one version, to be his own successor.) Subordinate only to Hitler himself, the young, brilliant and ruthless Schmidt was placed in charge of foreign espionage and terrorist activities, playing a key role in Nazi victories in Europe and spreading fear (his red skull mask was intended to be a symbol of terror while Hitler could remain the popular leader in a national version of GoodCopBadCop). He eventually moved onto the United States as WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII continued and sabotaged the top secret Project Rebirth by assassinating Prof. Erskine. Preparing for the inevitable war against Germany, the Americans decided to create their own GoodCounterpart to the Red Skull's evil, the sole successful Super Soldier serum test subject, Steve Rogers, and trained him to become ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, the man who was to become Schmidt's ArchEnemy.



* EvilIsPetty: However, this is initially averted in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} WorldWarII period stories with the Skull being professional enough to hear about at least one scheme failing by shrugging and moving on to new business.

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* EvilIsPetty: However, this is initially averted in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII period stories with the Skull being professional enough to hear about at least one scheme failing by shrugging and moving on to new business.



* HumansAreBastards: After living out his childhood in the streets of chaotic interwar Germany, the Skull was already convinced of this. WorldWarII with its massive war crimes and atrocities on all sides really hammered home the point.

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* HumansAreBastards: After living out his childhood in the streets of chaotic interwar Germany, the Skull was already convinced of this. WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII with its massive war crimes and atrocities on all sides really hammered home the point.
13th Jul '17 6:49:17 AM Njein
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** ComicBook/TheJoker abruptly ends a partnership with Red Skull when his Nazi affiliation comes out. Red Skull [[EvilCannotComprehendGood simply wonders why he is so surprised when he thinks that the Joker would make a great Nazi]]. The Joker is ''[[OOCIsSeriousBusiness NOT]]'' '''[[OOCIsSeriousBusiness happy]]''' about this, proclaiming "[[EvenEvilHasStandards I may be a criminal lunatic, but I'm an American criminal lunatic!]]"
20th Jun '17 6:10:50 PM Gosicrystal
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** Which is either a case of ShownTheirWork or (more probably) AccidentallyAccurate on part of the writers, since while the real-life Nazis are (rightly) known for extreme racism today, they had no trouble working with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini Arabs]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion Indians]], Japanese and other non-whites, because they disliked liberalism ''more'' than other races and viewed right-wing non-Europeans as allies against their [[DirtyCommies common]] [[EagleLand enemies]]. [[RealityIsUnrealistic In fact, there were even whole divisions of non-white SS troops during the war.]]

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** Which is either a case of ShownTheirWork or (more probably) AccidentallyAccurate AccidentallyCorrectWriting on part of the writers, since while the real-life Nazis are (rightly) known for extreme racism today, they had no trouble working with [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini Arabs]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion Indians]], Japanese and other non-whites, because they disliked liberalism ''more'' than other races and viewed right-wing non-Europeans as allies against their [[DirtyCommies common]] [[EagleLand enemies]]. [[RealityIsUnrealistic In fact, there were even whole divisions of non-white SS troops during the war.]]
5th Jun '17 12:20:40 AM WaterBlap
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* ArtisticLicenseMilitary: When he is not depicted in some [[HellBentForLeather bizarre leather faux-uniform]], the Skull wears a [[http://img00.deviantart.net/43ef/i/2015/127/3/4/red_skull_by_deanbowenart-djgwev.jpg pre-1938]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gUjB03VW8jc/Ti8KTzwD3ZI/AAAAAAAABQA/lUQFweiUsqI/s1600/339978-87437-red-skull_super.jpg black Allgemeine-SS uniform]] (single shoulder board) with SS-Hauptsturmführer (Captain) collar insignia and an Iron Cross. Leaving aside the fact Iron Cross was not reinstated before 1939, regardless of what he may have accomplished, but there is no reason the second most dangerous man in the Reich's administration should have such a junior rank. He also often has an Honor Chevron for the Old Guard ''and'' a Golden Party Badge, even though his backstory usually has him joining the party ''after'' Hitler assumed power, which would make him ineligible for these "honors".
** While much of the above is spot on, Hitler sometimes did hand out the chevrons and Golden Badge to late-enlisting but exceptionally worthy followers. In that particular case, RealityIsUnrealistic.
** ShadowArchetype: He's the Nazi counterpart of Captain America, and has the rank to fit.
** A corollary explanation might be that the Skull simply liked the uniform and decorations, and [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem was so powerful in Hitler's inner circle]] that he could browbeat or kill anyone trying to lecture him on decorum.
** Similarly, his uniform in the film contains a mixture of insignia reserved for commissioned officers and insignia reserved for non-commissioned officers. There's a good chance that he simply didn't care that his uniform was incorrect.

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* ArtisticLicenseMilitary: When he is not depicted in some [[HellBentForLeather bizarre leather faux-uniform]], the Skull wears a [[http://img00.deviantart.net/43ef/i/2015/127/3/4/red_skull_by_deanbowenart-djgwev.jpg pre-1938]] [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gUjB03VW8jc/Ti8KTzwD3ZI/AAAAAAAABQA/lUQFweiUsqI/s1600/339978-87437-red-skull_super.jpg black Allgemeine-SS uniform]] (single shoulder board) with SS-Hauptsturmführer (Captain) collar insignia and an Iron Cross. Leaving aside the fact Iron Cross was not reinstated before 1939, regardless of what he may have accomplished, but there is no reason the second most dangerous man in the Reich's administration should have such a junior rank. He also often has an Honor Chevron for the Old Guard ''and'' a Golden Party Badge, even though his backstory usually has him joining the party ''after'' Hitler assumed power, which would make him ineligible for these "honors".
** While much of the above is spot on, Hitler sometimes did hand out the chevrons and Golden Badge to late-enlisting but exceptionally worthy followers. In that particular case, RealityIsUnrealistic.
** ShadowArchetype: He's the Nazi counterpart of Captain America, and has the rank to fit.
** A corollary explanation might be that the Skull simply liked the uniform and decorations, and [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem was so powerful in Hitler's inner circle]] that he could browbeat or kill anyone trying to lecture him on decorum.
** Similarly, his uniform in the film contains a mixture of insignia reserved for commissioned officers and insignia reserved for non-commissioned officers. There's a good chance that he simply didn't care that his uniform was incorrect.


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* ShadowArchetype: The Red Skull is the Nazi counterpart of Captain America, and has the rank to fit.


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* TruthInTelevision: Hitler sometimes did hand out the chevrons and Golden Badge to late-enlisting but exceptionally worthy followers, which could explain why the Red Skull often has an Honor Chevron for the Old Guard and a Golden Party Badge.
19th May '17 11:08:48 AM bobwolf
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* AbsoluteXenophobe: One of his stated long-term goals is to conquer and destroy the various alien empires that inhabit the Marvel universe. (Though [[NoMereWindmill considering]] how often these aliens have tried to attack and destroy ''earth'', it may perhaps be debated to what extent this is crazy or just ProperlyParanoid policy.) In one AlternateUniverse where he took over, he started putting this into practice. Oddly, he was [[SpeciesLoyalty nicer to his human enemies]], whom he didn't try to exterminate -- though he deported all Blacks to Africa and did various other politically incorrect things.

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* AbsoluteXenophobe: One of his stated long-term goals is to conquer and destroy the various alien empires that inhabit the Marvel universe. (Though [[NoMereWindmill considering]] how often these aliens have tried to attack and destroy ''earth'', it may perhaps be debated to what extent this is crazy or just ProperlyParanoid policy.) In one AlternateUniverse where he took over, he started putting this into practice. Oddly, he was [[SpeciesLoyalty nicer to his human enemies]], whom he didn't try to exterminate -- though he deported all Blacks to Africa and did various other politically incorrect racist things.
27th Apr '17 1:12:20 PM Gregzilla
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[[ComicbookDeath This being a comic book]], the Red Skull seemingly returned in the pages of ''Comicbook/UncannyAvengers'' during the Comicbook/MarvelNOW relaunch.

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[[ComicbookDeath This being a comic book]], the Red Skull seemingly returned in the pages of ''Comicbook/UncannyAvengers'' during the Comicbook/MarvelNOW relaunch.
relaunch, though as a [[SendInTheClones clone]] in stasis since World War II... [[FromBadToWorse who gains access to]] [[ComicBook/XMen Professor Charles Xavier]]'s PsychicPowers.
26th Apr '17 7:20:07 PM Gregzilla
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* AdaptationPersonalityChange: In the more recent ''Captain America'' movie, the Red Skull character is not a Nazi true believer, but a purely power-hungry villain who even betrays Germany as part of his dastardly plot. There's no indication that he's personally close to Hitler, either.

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* AdaptationPersonalityChange: In the more recent ''Captain America'' movie, ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', the Red Skull character is not a Nazi true believer, but a purely power-hungry villain who even betrays Germany as part of his dastardly plot. There's no indication that he's personally close to Hitler, either.
8th Apr '17 4:14:43 AM rafi
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* {{Jerkass}}: '''UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY.'''

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* {{Jerkass}}: '''UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY.'''The Skull is a terrorist, mass murderer and would-be world conqueror; but quite apart from that, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking he is a jerk in the little things too]]. He bullies his subordinates, was violently and sadistically abusive to his girlfriend, and once sank into a depression that he got out of when Crossbones cheered him up by reminding him of all the ''evil'' things he had done in his life.
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