History Comicbook / Irredeemable

12th May '18 8:44:44 PM Maljen
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** The Plutonian himself. Yes, he has roughly the powerset of Superman without any weaknesses, with some extras. The only problem is that he cannot turn most of his powers off, only control them by constant effort of will. He is MadeOfDiamond, and even touching his hair can cut the hand of a normal person. He has tremendous SuperStrength, and because of not-unfounded fear of accidentally splattering someone if he failed to measure exerted force just for a moment, he was never able to protect himself from bullying as a child. And of course, his super-hearing forced him to know every {{ungrateful bastard}}'s snide opinion about him. This gets especially interesting with the eventual reveal that [[spoiler:the Plutonian is a RealityWarper, who subconsciously uses his powers to appear to be a FlyingBrick. Nobody has remarked upon it yet, but we may thereby conclude all the BlessedWithSuck attributes of his powers are his own martyr complex manifesting itself]].

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** The Plutonian himself. Yes, he has roughly the powerset of Superman without any with almost no weaknesses, with and some extras. The only problem is that he cannot turn most of his powers off, only control them by constant effort of will. He is MadeOfDiamond, and even touching his hair can cut the hand of a normal person. He has tremendous SuperStrength, and because of not-unfounded fear of accidentally splattering someone if he failed to measure exerted force just for a moment, he was never able to protect himself from bullying as a child. And of course, his super-hearing forced him to know every {{ungrateful bastard}}'s snide opinion about him. This gets especially interesting with the eventual reveal that [[spoiler:the Plutonian is a RealityWarper, who subconsciously uses his powers to appear to be a FlyingBrick. Nobody has remarked upon it yet, but we may thereby conclude all the BlessedWithSuck attributes of his powers are his own martyr complex manifesting itself]].



** The Plutonian is one of Franchise/{{Superman}}, albeit gone very, ''very'' wrong, and with none of Superman's weaknesses. He's also very evocative of ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' in appearance. In fact, his costume is nearly identical to Apollo's from ''Grounded''.

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** The Plutonian is one of Franchise/{{Superman}}, albeit gone very, ''very'' wrong, and with almost none of Superman's weaknesses. He's also very evocative of ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' in appearance. In fact, his costume is nearly identical to Apollo's from ''Grounded''.
28th Apr '18 7:29:01 PM Elihu
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* ComfortingTheWidow: The Survivor attempts this with Kaidan. Made particularly disgusting by the fact that the recently-deceased lover in this scenario is his brother.

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* ComfortingTheWidow: The Survivor attempts this with Kaidan. Made particularly disgusting by the fact that the recently-deceased lover in this scenario is his brother.twin.



* DepravedHomosexual: Subverted with [[spoiler:Modeus]]. He recognizes that he is in love with the Plutonian by issue #22 and states that Plutonian was the only person to make him feel emotion, making this more a case of SingleTargetSexuality.
15th Feb '18 8:40:45 AM MinisterOfSinister
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*** The Hornet is also very similar to Batman, while also being much to him in terms of personality. Also a BadassNormal, his base of operations was a "cave" located under his house, he relied on skills and gadgets to get by, demonstrated was CrazyPrepared in his decision to make a deal with the Vespans to secure BetrayalInsurance, was friends with Tony à la Superman/Batman and demonstrated detective skills in noticing subtle clues weeks before that the Plutonian was going to break down sooner or later.[[note]]For example, Tony asked about the Hornet's wife ''by name'', a piece of information Hornet never shared with anyone, leading him to realize Tony was spying on his teammates.[[/note]] The annual also showed they were in many ways VitriolicBestBuds and that Plutonian considered them to be perfect {{Foil}}s, and that an impromptu team-up between them was the inspiration to set up the Paradigm, a reflection of the more modern take on Superman and Batman's relationship.

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*** The Hornet is also very similar to Batman, while also being much closer to him in terms of personality. Also a BadassNormal, his base of operations was a "cave" located under his house, he relied on skills and gadgets to get by, demonstrated was CrazyPrepared in his decision to make a deal with the Vespans to secure BetrayalInsurance, was friends with Tony à la Superman/Batman and demonstrated detective skills in noticing subtle clues weeks before that the Plutonian was going to break down sooner or later.[[note]]For example, Tony asked about the Hornet's wife ''by name'', a piece of information Hornet never shared with anyone, leading him to realize Tony was spying on his teammates.[[/note]] The annual also showed they were in many ways VitriolicBestBuds and that Plutonian considered them to be perfect {{Foil}}s, and that an impromptu team-up between them was the inspiration to set up the Paradigm, a reflection of the more modern take on Superman and Batman's relationship.friendship.



** Max Damage combines elements of Metallo ([[SenseLossSadness especially the frustration at losing his senses when he powers up]]) and [[ComicBook/WonderWoman Giganta]]. Silver Age Giganta got stronger and tougher, but less intelligent, when she grew - Max loses brainpower more indirectly, through the severe sleep deprivation necessary to bring him up to full strength. His biker-evoking design, crude habits, and rugged looks might be nods to ComicBook/ThePunisher and SelfDemonstrating/{{Lobo}} too. His habit of taking on much younger female sidekicks happens to allude to ComicBook/TheJoker.
** Jailbait has a lot of thematic elements with ComicBook/HarleyQuinn. So does her replacement Headcase, who has the bonus of being something of a {{Yandere}} towards Max.

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** Max Damage combines elements of Metallo ([[SenseLossSadness especially the frustration at losing his senses when he powers up]]) and [[ComicBook/WonderWoman Giganta]]. Silver Age Giganta got stronger and tougher, but less intelligent, when she grew - Max loses brainpower more indirectly, through the severe sleep deprivation necessary to bring him up to full strength. His biker-evoking Following his HeelFaceTurn, his BadassBiker-evoking design, crude habits, status as a brutal AntiHero and rugged looks might be also come off as nods to ComicBook/ThePunisher and SelfDemonstrating/{{Lobo}} too.SelfDemonstrating/{{Lobo}}. His habit of taking on much younger female sidekicks happens to allude to ComicBook/TheJoker.
** Jailbait has a lot of Max's sidekicks combine thematic elements of ComicBook/HarleyQuinn and ComicBook/{{Robin}}, serving as both the PerkyFemaleMinion and girlfriend to a nasty supervillain and then the sidekick of a grim, brooding and violent AntiHero. Each serves to demonstrate different aspects and Robins, however:
*** Jailbait represents Dick Grayson and Harley's UndyingLoyalty to the Joker -- Max's first and most devoted sidekick, but his coldness and lack of team spirit ends up making her leave only to come back later, similar to Grayson's decision to become Nightwing and Harley's on-again-off-again relations
with ComicBook/HarleyQuinn. So does Mr. J.
*** Headcase represents Jason Todd and Harley's MadLove[=/=]{{Yandere}} tendencies -- Max's second sidekick, the loss of
her replacement Headcase, family has poisoned her like it did Jason, and she is more brutal and violent than Jailbait; she also has a dash of IgnoredEnamoredUnderling, which Harley often is to the Joker, and becomes a ClingyJealousGirl who tries to kill Armadale for supposedly coming between her and Max. In lieu of her dying like Jason did, however, Max realises her issues run too deep for him to do anything about them and has her taken away.
*** Hatecrime represents Tim Drake and Harley's independence from
the bonus of being Joker -- Max's third sidekick, she is the only one with no romantic interest in him and by far more sane and level-headed than her predecessors. She has an AtrociousAlias, [[ComicBook/RedRobin something of a {{Yandere}} towards Max.Tim would know something about too]], and is much closer to Alana, reflecting Harley's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]].



* ShootingSuperman:
** [[SupermanSubstitute Guess who?]] And surprisingly, it's ''not'' given the {{Deconstruction}} treatment. Apart from a comment by Tony that it's hard to deflect blasts without [[AttackBackfire making people shoot themselves]], it's more or less just played straight.
** In ''Incorruptible'' Max Damage gets this a lot too. While punching down a mook who was shooting at him he shouts "That's for wasting ammo!"



* ShootingSuperman: Max Damage gets this a lot. Lampshaded when he shouts "That's for wasting ammo!" while punching down a mook who was shooting at him.
15th Feb '18 2:38:45 AM JackDavid
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** Orian is one of Mr. Myxztplk, albeit stripped of any comic relief qualities. A touch of General Zod is thrown into the mix as well, particularly his ManipulativeBastard qualities and his ultimate plan being to draw in an invasion force from AnotherDimension. Also, some elements of Lobo is added too, in the sense that he is a Hunter with a dark and crude sense of humor who is (in Orian's case, ambiguously) extraterrestrial.

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** Orian is one of Mr. Myxztplk, albeit stripped of any comic relief qualities. A touch of General Zod is thrown into the mix as well, particularly his ManipulativeBastard qualities and his ultimate plan being to draw in an invasion force from AnotherDimension. Also, some elements of Lobo is are added too, in the sense that he is a Hunter hunter with a dark and crude sense of humor who is (in Orian's case, ambiguously) extraterrestrial.
15th Feb '18 2:37:58 AM JackDavid
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** Orian is one of Mr. Myxztplk, albeit stripped of any comic relief qualities. A touch of General Zod is thrown into the mix as well, particularly his ManipulativeBastard qualities and his ultimate plan being to draw in an invasion force from AnotherDimension.

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** Orian is one of Mr. Myxztplk, albeit stripped of any comic relief qualities. A touch of General Zod is thrown into the mix as well, particularly his ManipulativeBastard qualities and his ultimate plan being to draw in an invasion force from AnotherDimension. Also, some elements of Lobo is added too, in the sense that he is a Hunter with a dark and crude sense of humor who is (in Orian's case, ambiguously) extraterrestrial.
12th Feb '18 8:49:07 AM KizunaTallis
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** Scylla and Charybdis are a grab-bag of traits from various {{Sibling Team}}s throughout comic history. They have the opposite-personalities dynamic of ComicBook/HawkAndDove, a power set similar to [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} the Marvel Family]] and power-sharing mechanics that borrow from the latter ''and'' the ComicBook/WonderTwins. They might even be nods to [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} the Summers]] [[ComicBook/Havoc Brothers]], especially considering the reveal that [[spoiler:they have a third brother living as a monk, which might be alluding to the subplot of a third Summers Brother in X-Men.]]

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** Scylla and Charybdis are a grab-bag of traits from various {{Sibling Team}}s throughout comic history. They have the opposite-personalities dynamic of ComicBook/HawkAndDove, a power set similar to [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} the Marvel Family]] and power-sharing mechanics that borrow from the latter ''and'' the ComicBook/WonderTwins. They might even be nods to [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} the Summers]] [[ComicBook/Havoc [[ComicBook/{{Havoc}} Brothers]], especially considering the reveal that [[spoiler:they have a third brother living as a monk, which might be alluding to the subplot of a third Summers Brother in X-Men.]]
11th Feb '18 11:19:50 AM KizunaTallis
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** The Plutonian is one of Franchise/{{Superman}}, albeit gone very, ''very'' wrong, with none of Superman's weaknesses. He's also very evocative of ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' in appearance. In fact, his costume is nearly identical to Apollo's from ''Grounded''.

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** The Plutonian is one of Franchise/{{Superman}}, albeit gone very, ''very'' wrong, and with none of Superman's weaknesses. He's also very evocative of ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' in appearance. In fact, his costume is nearly identical to Apollo's from ''Grounded''.



** Samsara curiously seems to be a loose expy of Jimmy Olsen.

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** Samsara curiously seems to be a loose expy of Jimmy Olsen.ComicBook/JimmyOlsen.



** Bette Noir is a ColourCharacter who uses trick ammunition and has ImprobableAimingSkills, a lot like ComicBook/GreenArrow. Except that [[spoiler:whereas it's occasionally suggested that Green Arrow's skills are a result of a latent superpower, Bette's are unambiguously revealed to be just that in the final act.]] Also she's MsFanservice, has black in the name and [[spoiler:FightsLikeANormal due to having destructive powers]], all of which could make her one of ComicBook/BlackCanary.
*** Bette's dynamic with Tony before he fell from grace, [[spoiler: the reveal that she cheated on Gilgamos with him, and how she ends up spending the apocalypse in the lap of luxury surronded by attractive men might be nods to Oliver's characterization as a wealthy, carefree, and philandering socialite (if only when he's out of costume) in canon.]]

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** Bette Noir is a ColourCharacter who uses trick ammunition and has ImprobableAimingSkills, a lot like ComicBook/GreenArrow. Except that [[spoiler:whereas it's occasionally suggested that Green Arrow's skills are a result of a latent superpower, Bette's are unambiguously revealed to be just that in the final act.]] Also Also, she's MsFanservice, has black in the name and [[spoiler:FightsLikeANormal due to having destructive powers]], all of which could make her one of ComicBook/BlackCanary.
*** Bette's dynamic with Tony before he fell from grace, [[spoiler: the reveal that she cheated on Gilgamos with him, and how she ends up spending the apocalypse in the lap of luxury surronded surrounded by attractive men might be nods to Oliver's characterization as a wealthy, carefree, and philandering socialite (if only when he's out of costume) in canon.]]



** Jailbait has a lot of thematic elements with ComicBook/HarleyQuinn. So does her replacement Headcase, who has the bonus of coming as a {{Yandere}} towards Max.
** Orian is one of, of all people, Mr. Myxztplk, albeit stripped of any comic relief qualities. A touch of General Zod is thrown into the mix as well, particularly his ManipulativeBastard qualities and his ultimate plan being to draw in an invasion force from AnotherDimension.

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** Jailbait has a lot of thematic elements with ComicBook/HarleyQuinn. So does her replacement Headcase, who has the bonus of coming as being something of a {{Yandere}} towards Max.
** Orian is one of, of all people, Mr. Myxztplk, albeit stripped of any comic relief qualities. A touch of General Zod is thrown into the mix as well, particularly his ManipulativeBastard qualities and his ultimate plan being to draw in an invasion force from AnotherDimension.



** Scylla and Charybdis are a grab-bag of traits from various {{Sibling Team}}s throughout comic history. They have the opposite-personalities dynamic of ComicBook/HawkAndDove, a powerset similar to [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} the Marvel Family]] and power-sharing mechanics that borrow from the latter ''and'' the ComicBook/WonderTwins. They might even be nods to [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} Summers Bros.]], especially considering the reveal that [[spoiler: they have a long lost brother living as a monk, which might be alluding to the subplot of a third Summers Brother in X-Men.]]
** The Eleos are {{Proud Scholar Race Guy}}s with an AlienNonInterferenceClause, similar to the Watchers from Marvel, while possessing a [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever size]] and [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm physiology]] very similar to ComicBook/{{Galactus}}. [[spoiler:TheReveal they are the Plutonian's birth parents ([[BizarreAlienBiology after a fashion]]) makes them loose counterparts to Jor-El and Lara Lor-Van, those of Superman.]]

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** Scylla and Charybdis are a grab-bag of traits from various {{Sibling Team}}s throughout comic history. They have the opposite-personalities dynamic of ComicBook/HawkAndDove, a powerset power set similar to [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} the Marvel Family]] and power-sharing mechanics that borrow from the latter ''and'' the ComicBook/WonderTwins. They might even be nods to [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} Summers Bros.]], the Summers]] [[ComicBook/Havoc Brothers]], especially considering the reveal that [[spoiler: they [[spoiler:they have a long lost third brother living as a monk, which might be alluding to the subplot of a third Summers Brother in X-Men.]]
** The Eleos are {{Proud Scholar Race Guy}}s with an AlienNonInterferenceClause, similar to the Watchers from Marvel, while possessing a [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever size]] and [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm physiology]] very similar to ComicBook/{{Galactus}}. [[spoiler:TheReveal they are the Plutonian's birth parents ([[BizarreAlienBiology after a fashion]]) makes them loose counterparts to Superman's birth parents Jor-El and Lara Lor-Van, those of Superman.Lor-Van.]]



* HollywoodDensity / SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: "Half the pull of a black hole" is meaningless when we don't know how massive or how distant the black hole is. An average human could withstand ''all'' the pull of a small black hole even if it were close to them, and we all withstand the pull of mind-bogglingly massive black holes every day simply because they're very far away.

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* HollywoodDensity / SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: HollywoodDensity: "Half the pull of a black hole" is meaningless when we don't know how massive or how distant the black hole is. An average human could withstand ''all'' the pull of a small black hole even if it were close to them, and we all withstand the pull of mind-bogglingly massive black holes every day simply because they're very far away.



* SuperDickery: Deconstructed; a flashback describes the Plutonian's relationship with his girlfriend Alana (a Lois Lane {{Expy}}), which occurs in a similar fashion as Superman and Lois Lane's in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age of comic|books}}s. Except when the Plutonian reveals his true identity, confidently expecting her to fall into his arms and agree to marry him, she freaks out about the sudden revelation of all the mind games he's been playing on her all this time and angrily breaks up with him. Plutonian... did not take it well. A major recurring plot thread in these flashbacks to the Plutonian's "good days" seems to be his frustration over how even though he lives in a classic super-hero universe type setting, no-one reacts the way they did in the old comics.

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* SuperDickery: Deconstructed; a flashback describes the Plutonian's relationship with his girlfriend Alana (a Lois Lane {{Expy}}), which occurs in a similar fashion as Superman and Lois Lane's in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age of comic|books}}s. Except when the Plutonian reveals his true identity, confidently expecting her to fall into his arms and agree to marry him, she freaks out about the sudden revelation of all the mind games he's been playing on her all this time and angrily breaks up with him. Plutonian... did not take it well. A major recurring plot thread in these flashbacks to the Plutonian's "good days" seems to be his frustration over how even though he lives in a classic super-hero universe type of setting, no-one reacts the way they did in the old comics.



** [[spoiler:The ending for the series has Qubit pull an ultimate one on Plutonian, due to the radioactive cloud that will destroy all life on the planet with the release of his parents. Qubit strikes a deal to give Plutonian "redemption" if he helps save the planet. When the Plutonian starts to go back on the deal, believing Qubit can't live to his end, Qubit pulls out the bullet made from the candle of the Nahru Visna that he saved Plutonian from before and teleports it into his heart for added motivation. Knowing that once he followed through with their plan, the radiation would most likely kill Plutonian as well and that his "redemption" that Qubit had in mind would be be his essence being spread across the multiverse.]]

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** [[spoiler:The ending for the series has Qubit pull an ultimate one on Plutonian, due to the radioactive cloud that will destroy all life on the planet with the release of his parents. Qubit strikes a deal to give Plutonian "redemption" if he helps save the planet. When the Plutonian starts to go back on the deal, believing Qubit can't live to his end, Qubit pulls out the bullet made from the candle of the Nahru Visna that he saved Plutonian from before and teleports it into his heart for added motivation. Knowing that once he followed through with their plan, the radiation would most likely kill Plutonian as well and that his "redemption" that Qubit had in mind would be be his essence being spread across the multiverse.]]



* NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: What sets the Plutonian's spiral to villainy was [[spoiler: him giving a piece of alien technology to a scientist and Tony even checked the scientist's heartbeat to see if he was lying about using technology for good purposes]]. While there's an ego reason behind it, there were some good intentions behind it.

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* NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished: What sets off the Plutonian's spiral to villainy was [[spoiler: him giving [[spoiler:he gave a piece of alien technology to a scientist and Tony even checked the scientist's heartbeat to see if he was lying about using that technology for good purposes]]. While there's an ego reason behind it, there were some good intentions behind it.



*** One time, Tony tried to defend a girl he'd befriended from a bully. When he shoved the bully back, he accidentally killed the other boy.

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*** One time, Tony tried to [[BullyHunter defend a girl he'd befriended from a bully.bully]]. When he shoved the bully back, he accidentally killed the other boy.



-->'''Plutonian''': "You know what they say about the gods of myth. That they would disguise themselves and walk among you as ordinary people. I confess [[ClarkKenting I do that]], but... who am I? [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse That guy down at the end of the bar? The new recruit? The foreigner who just moved upstairs?]] I know what you're thinking. That at least in this moment, I can't be standing next to you. There is that. But I should add one thing. This has been a pre-recorded message. '''Sleep tight'''."

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-->'''Plutonian''': "You You know what they say about the gods of myth. That they would disguise themselves and walk among you as ordinary people. I confess [[ClarkKenting I do that]], but... who am I? [[TheyLookJustLikeEveryoneElse That guy down at the end of the bar? The new recruit? The foreigner who just moved upstairs?]] I know what you're thinking. That at least in this moment, I can't be standing next to you. There is that. But I should add one thing. This has been a pre-recorded message. '''Sleep tight'''."



* PhysicalGod: Plutonian is the strongest being on the planet, and nothing in the (comic) universe so far (with the exception of Max Damage, Survivor and the Eleos) has a chance against him. [[spoiler:He's a reality warper, making him ''more'' god-like, although he's unaware of his true abilities. His parents have his powers to a greater degree and can ''also'' TimeTravel]]

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* PhysicalGod: Plutonian is the strongest being on the planet, and nothing in the (comic) universe so far (with the exception of Max Damage, Survivor and the Eleos) has a chance against him. [[spoiler:He's a reality warper, making him ''more'' god-like, although he's unaware of his true abilities. His parents have his powers to a greater degree and can ''also'' TimeTravel]]TimeTravel]].



-->'''Plutonian:''' "Why do you keep treating me like a ticking time bomb?!"
* RealityEnsues:

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-->'''Plutonian:''' "Why Why do you keep treating me like a ticking time bomb?!"
bomb?!
* RealityEnsues: This trope is one of the main themes of the series.



** Bill Hartigan, the foster parent who forged him into The Plutonian, teaches him to be [[LiteralMinded completely selfless]]; Tony takes it a tad too far when on his selflessness he withholds the fact that [[spoiler:his foster mother has terminal cancer and he has known all along. When she dies, his foster father kills himself in desperation.]]
** This trope is one of the main themes of the series. Foster parents are going to be scared of the super powered child who throws tantrums sometimes. The girl you've been dating won't find it fantastic that you've lied to her constantly about your secret identity. A BadassNormal won't stand a chance against a guy who has super strength and can shoot lasers out of his eyes.

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** Bill Hartigan, the foster parent who forged him into The Plutonian, teaches him to be [[LiteralMinded completely selfless]]; Tony takes [[ALessonLearnedTooWell took it a tad too far far]] when on his selflessness he withholds withheld the fact that [[spoiler:his foster mother has terminal cancer and he has known all along. When she dies, his foster father kills himself in desperation.guilt.]]
** This trope is one of On a more general note, MuggleFosterParents would really have no idea how to handle the main themes of the series. Foster parents are going to be scared of the super powered super-powered child who throws tantrums sometimes. The girl you've been dating won't find it fantastic that you've lied to her constantly about your secret identity. A BadassNormal won't stand a chance against a guy who has super strength and can shoot lasers out of his eyes.



* RuleOfCool: Kaidan's superpower is the art of telling ghost stories. The characters in said stories are souls of samurai and Feudal warriors. It's awesome. [[spoiler:She can now summon the spirits of superheroes and open a path through the underworld]]. ''Double'' awesome. Even Qubit is surprised by this (not mentioning he's the one that figures it out for Kaidan), and this is a dude than can create technological wonders out of thin air!

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* RuleOfCool: Kaidan's superpower is being able to summon the art spirits of telling ghost great warriors by recounting their stories. The characters in said stories are souls of samurai and Feudal warriors. It's awesome. [[spoiler:She can now later finds that she summon the spirits of superheroes and open a path through the underworld]]. ''Double'' awesome. Even Qubit is surprised by this (not mentioning (and he's the one that figures it out for Kaidan), and this is a dude than that can create technological wonders out of thin air!



** At one point Volt quips: [[{{ComicBook/Static}} "Surprise, I'm a black super hero with electrical powers. I know. I know."]]
** At one stage the US President wonders if [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke maybe the Plutonian snapped because he had "one really bad day"]].

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** At one point Volt quips: [[{{ComicBook/Static}} "Surprise, I'm a black super hero superhero with electrical powers. I know. I know."]]
** At The Plutonian is put into a LotusEaterMachine, a clear reference to the classic Superman story ''ComicBook/ForTheManWhoHasEverything''.
** In
one stage scene, the US President wonders if [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke maybe the Plutonian snapped because he had "one really bad day"]].



* StarfishAliens: The Ultrasonic Lifeform that infects children and spreads through the ''screams''.
* StepfordSmiler: The Plutonian's defining personality trait prior to his breakdown.

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* StarfishAliens: The Ultrasonic Lifeform that infects children and spreads through the their (and their immune parents') ''screams''.
* StepfordSmiler: The Plutonian's defining personality trait prior to his breakdown. He was the "Unstable" type with more than a few touches of the "Empty/Depressed" kind.



* TakeThat: Just to make sure that no-one misses the subtext, the first issue comes with a long essay about how comic fans saying mean things on the internet suck and will destroy comic heroes. The essay was written by Creator/GrantMorrison, not Mark Waid, and is not quite as simplistic as that. If anything, the subsequent issues since number one have indicated Morrison's reading of the point is a bit off from Waid's true intent. To elaborate, said essay wasn't saying anything about people talking on the Internet destroying heroes. Morrison was talking about people's opinions, the difficulties in changing them, and what a hero must have to do to become completely [[TitleDrop Irredeemable]]. And how Waid showed him the script for the first two issues, after their discussion if the internauts will ever stop seeing him as a [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] {{Fanboy}}, a reputation Waid earned after ''ComicBook/KingdomCome''.

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* TakeThat: Just to make sure that no-one misses the subtext, the first issue comes with a long essay about how comic fans saying mean things on the internet suck and will destroy comic heroes. The essay was written by Creator/GrantMorrison, not Mark Waid, and is not quite as simplistic as that. If anything, the subsequent issues since number one have indicated Morrison's reading of the point is a bit off from Waid's true intent. To elaborate, said essay wasn't saying anything about people talking on the Internet destroying heroes. Morrison was talking about people's opinions, the difficulties in changing them, and what a hero must have to do to become completely [[TitleDrop Irredeemable]].irredeemable]]. And how Waid showed him the script for the first two issues, after their discussion if the internauts will ever stop seeing him as a [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] {{Fanboy}}, a reputation Waid earned after ''ComicBook/KingdomCome''.



* TeleportersAndTransporters: Quibit has built several devices that seemingly produce wormholes. [[spoiler:The Vespans, having had access to his technology, weaponize them and defeat Plutonian with them. Seemingly out of action as of Plutonian's escape from the prison-planet]]

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* TeleportersAndTransporters: Quibit has built several devices that seemingly produce wormholes. [[spoiler:The Vespans, having had access to his technology, weaponize them and defeat Plutonian with them. Seemingly out of action as of After Qubit takes them back and Plutonian's escape from the prison-planet]]prison-planet, they're put out of action.]]



* TookALevelInBadass: Charybdis (later the Survivor), a second-tier superhero, gains a considerable boost of power when his brother dies, putting him on the same level as The Plutonian.

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* TookALevelInBadass: Charybdis (later taking on the alias Survivor), a second-tier superhero, gains a considerable boost of power when his brother dies, putting him on the same level as The Plutonian.



** Survivor [[spoiler:gives one to his third brother for not trying to stop Plutonian, or even use his powers to help others.]]

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** Survivor [[spoiler:gives one to his and Scylla's retired and estranged third brother Elliot for not trying to help them stop Plutonian, Plutonian's rampage, or even use his powers to help others.]]



* WhoWantsToLiveForever: [[spoiler:Invoked near the end of the series as a last resort, Kaidan and Gilgamos are prepared to plant the Tree of Life, granting every living thing on the planet immortality but due to the consequences it would bring (no longer being able to have children, go to the afterlife, and worst of all, possibly stuck forever at the mercy of the Plutonian), they hesitate until the last minute, where Qubit stops them and saves it as a 'Plan B' in case his plan doesn't work. ]]

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* WhoWantsToLiveForever: [[spoiler:Invoked near the end of the series as a last resort, Kaidan and Gilgamos are prepared to plant the Tree of Life, granting every living thing on the planet immortality but due to the consequences it would bring (no longer being able to have children, go to the afterlife, and worst of all, possibly stuck forever at the mercy of the Plutonian), they hesitate until the last minute, where Qubit stops them and saves it as a 'Plan B' in case his plan doesn't work. ]]



* TheWorldIsNotReady: Tony makes the mistake of revealing to Alana his secret identity as the Plutonian, which only results in her revealing this to her co-workers and them revealing it to the world; it's implied that The Plutonian's Dan Hartigan was like Superman's Clark Kent, meaning his only possibility of blending in and having a normal life. Superman argues that ''he is Clark Kent'' and that he would go insane if he had to be Superman all the time[[note]]-as seen in ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''-[[/note]]; the story takes this point and amplifies it to its logical, albeit monstrous, conclusion, which is The Plutonian going insane for not being able to be Dan Hartigan (among other even more messed up things).

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* TheWorldIsNotReady: Tony makes the mistake of revealing to Alana his secret identity as the Plutonian, which only results in her revealing this to her co-workers and them almost revealing it to the world; it's implied that The Plutonian's Dan Hartigan was like Superman's Clark Kent, meaning his only possibility of blending in and having a normal life. Superman argues that ''he is Clark Kent'' and that he would go insane if he had to be Superman all the time[[note]]-as seen in ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries''-[[/note]]; the story takes this point and amplifies it to its logical, albeit monstrous, conclusion, which is The Plutonian going insane for not being able to be Dan Hartigan (among other even more messed up things).



* WouldHurtAChild: [[spoiler:Tony's first human mother and the one whose desire for a child forge him into a human body, to a horrifying extent.]]

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* WouldHurtAChild: Plutonian has no qualms with killing children. [[spoiler:Tony's first human mother and the one whose desire for a child forge forged him into a human body, to a horrifying extent.]]



* ZombieApocalypse: The Sonic Plague [[BodyHorror liquefies children's flesh and animates their bones.]] Worst part is that it spreads like wildfire through the ''screams'' of the living. The Paradigm managed to stop it before it gets out of control, but the damage is done and this plays into one of the biggest reasons behind the Plutonian's FaceHeelTurn.

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* ZombieApocalypse: The Sonic Plague [[BodyHorror liquefies children's flesh and animates their bones.]] Worst part is that it spreads like wildfire through the ''screams'' of the living. The Paradigm managed to stop it before it gets got out of control, but the damage is done and this plays into one of the biggest reasons behind the Plutonian's FaceHeelTurn.



* EvenEvilHasStandards: Besides the standard enlightened self-interest angle he usually cites, Max seems to have hit this when he saw the Plutonian wipe out an entire city. Keep in mind, Max was on the verge of wiping the city out ''himself'' in a fit of depression [[BlessedWithSuck about the drawbacks of his powers]]... but seeing the Plutonian actually do it shook him to his core. In short, Max was on the receiving end of the treatment of a supervillian -- the sort of thing he did before. It made him feel helpless and like a victim but also made him realize he could be better. Perhaps as a side "benefit", one of the reasons he was a supervillain in the first place was because his powers prevented him from being normal. Thus Plutonian's rampage let him experience that in a very real way.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Besides the standard enlightened self-interest angle he usually cites, Max seems to have hit this when he saw the Plutonian wipe out an entire city. Keep in mind, Max was on the verge of wiping the city out ''himself'' in a fit of depression [[BlessedWithSuck about the drawbacks of his powers]]... but seeing the Plutonian actually do doing it shook him to his core. In short, Max was on the receiving end of the treatment of a supervillian -- the sort of thing he did before. It made him feel helpless and like a victim but also made him realize he could be better. Perhaps as a side "benefit", one of the reasons he was a supervillain in the first place was because his powers prevented him from being normal. Thus Plutonian's rampage let him experience that in a very real way.



* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Tells Alana this to get her to stop beating herself up over feeling like she caused the Plutonian's SanitySlippage and breakdown.

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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Tells Max tells Alana this to get her to stop beating herself up over feeling like she caused the Plutonian's SanitySlippage and breakdown.
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** The Plutonian is one of ComicBook/{{Superman}}, albeit gone very, ''very'' wrong. And with none of Superman's weaknesses. He's also very evocative of ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' in appearance. In fact, his costume is nearly identical to Apollo's from ''Grounded''.
** Alana Patel is an expy of Lois Lane.

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** The Plutonian is one of ComicBook/{{Superman}}, Franchise/{{Superman}}, albeit gone very, ''very'' wrong. And wrong, with none of Superman's weaknesses. He's also very evocative of ''ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'' and ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' in appearance. In fact, his costume is nearly identical to Apollo's from ''Grounded''.
** Alana Patel is an expy ComicBook/LoisLane working at a radio station instead of Lois Lane.a newspaper.



** Some of the other heroes are also slightly familiar. Gilgamos = ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} - Egyptian + Babylonian.
** The Inferno had some elements of ComicBook/{{Batman}} (namely being a rich banker who moonlit as a superhero on the side). He got nonchalantly killed by the Plutonian off-stage, probably as a TakeThat aimed at those who place Batman high in UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny contests.
** The Hornet shares traits with both Batman and ComicBook/GreenArrow, being the main BadassNormal on the Paradigm, and was also effortlessly killed by The Plutonian. His base of operations was a "cave" located under his house, he relied on skills and gadgets to get by, demonstrated {{Crazy Prepared}}ness in his deal with the Vespan aliens, was friends with Tony à la Superman/Batman and demonstrated detective skills in noticing subtle clues weeks before that the Plutonian was going to break down sooner or later (for example, Tony asked about the Hornet's wife ''by name'', a piece of information Hornet never shared with anyone, leading him to realize Tony was spying on his teammates).
** Bette Noir is a ColourCharacter who uses trick ammunition and has ImprobableAimingSkills, a lot like ComicBook/GreenArrow. Except that [[spoiler:whereas it's occasionally suggested that Green Arrow's skills are a result of a latent superpower, Bette's are unambiguously revealed to be just that in the final act.]]
*** Bette's dynamic with Tony before he fell from grace, [[spoiler: the reveal that she cheated on Gilgamos with him, and how she ends up spending the apocalypse in the lap of luxury surronded by attractive men might be nods to Oliver's characterization as a wealthy, carefree, and philandering socialite (if only when he's out of costume) in canon. The philandering in Bette's case leading to tragedy for not just herself and Gilgamos, but also the world itself from Tony's rampage.]]

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** Some Modeus is one of ComicBook/LexLuthor with elements of ComicBook/{{Brainiac}} thrown in. His and the other heroes are Plutonian's relationship is deliberately similar to Batman's with ComicBook/TheJoker. He also slightly familiar. Gilgamos = ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} - Egyptian + Babylonian.
has duplicates built in his image designed to look and think exactly like him while thinking they're the real Modeus, a clear nod to ComicBook/DoctorDoom, right down to being called Modeusbots; the only difference is that ''someone else'' built them.
** Franchise/{{Batman}} has [[DecompositeCharacter two characters written to emulate him]].
***
The Inferno had some elements of ComicBook/{{Batman}} (namely covered the surface-level traits -- the SecretIdentity as a millionaire, the secret mancave hideout which he decorated with weapons and equipment taken from his enemies as trophies, being a rich banker who moonlit as a superhero on the side). He got nonchalantly killed by the Plutonian off-stage, probably as a TakeThat aimed at those who place Batman high in UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny contests.
** The Hornet shares traits with both Batman and ComicBook/GreenArrow, being the main
BadassNormal on and a detective and possibly a similar backstory of fighting crime to avenge his parents. Personality-wise he wasn't much like Batman at all, though, being completely blindsided by Plutonian going rogue and finding himself unceremoniously KilledOffscreen due to not having any way to take him down, although he did at least have the Paradigm, foresight to develop a SelfDestructMechanism for his hideout, and was had a computer system in it very similar to the Batcomputer.
*** The Hornet is
also effortlessly killed by The Plutonian. His very similar to Batman, while also being much to him in terms of personality. Also a BadassNormal, his base of operations was a "cave" located under his house, he relied on skills and gadgets to get by, demonstrated {{Crazy Prepared}}ness was CrazyPrepared in his decision to make a deal with the Vespan aliens, Vespans to secure BetrayalInsurance, was friends with Tony à la Superman/Batman and demonstrated detective skills in noticing subtle clues weeks before that the Plutonian was going to break down sooner or later (for later.[[note]]For example, Tony asked about the Hornet's wife ''by name'', a piece of information Hornet never shared with anyone, leading him to realize Tony was spying on his teammates).
teammates.[[/note]] The annual also showed they were in many ways VitriolicBestBuds and that Plutonian considered them to be perfect {{Foil}}s, and that an impromptu team-up between them was the inspiration to set up the Paradigm, a reflection of the more modern take on Superman and Batman's relationship.
** Bette Noir is a ColourCharacter who uses trick ammunition and has ImprobableAimingSkills, a lot like ComicBook/GreenArrow. Except that [[spoiler:whereas it's occasionally suggested that Green Arrow's skills are a result of a latent superpower, Bette's are unambiguously revealed to be just that in the final act.]]
]] Also she's MsFanservice, has black in the name and [[spoiler:FightsLikeANormal due to having destructive powers]], all of which could make her one of ComicBook/BlackCanary.
*** Bette's dynamic with Tony before he fell from grace, [[spoiler: the reveal that she cheated on Gilgamos with him, and how she ends up spending the apocalypse in the lap of luxury surronded by attractive men might be nods to Oliver's characterization as a wealthy, carefree, and philandering socialite (if only when he's out of costume) in canon. The philandering in Bette's case leading to tragedy for not just herself ]]
** Gilgamos is ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} if you take the Egyptian motif away
and Gilgamos, but also the world itself from Tony's rampage.]]replace it with a Babylonian one.



** The superhero Qubit is a rather unusual case of this, being based on a non-comics, non-superhero character. He's clearly based off of the [[Series/DoctorWho Tenth Doctor]] (admittedly, with some similarities to [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Mr. Fantastic]] and Forge from the ComicBook/XMen).
** Modeus is an Expy of ComicBook/LexLuthor with a little bit of [[AiIsACrapshoot Brainiac]] thrown in. Curiously, WordOfGod states that Modeus and the Plutonian's relationship is a bit closer to Batman and ComicBook/TheJoker's.
** Max Damage combines elements of Metallo ([[SenseLossSadness especially the frustration at losing his senses when he powers up]]) and [[ComicBook/WonderWoman Giganta]]. Silver Age Giganta got stronger and tougher, but less intelligent, when she grew - Max loses brainpower more indirectly, through the severe sleep deprivation necessary to bring him up to full strength. His biker-evoking design, crude habits, and rugged looks might be nods to ComicBook/ThePunisher and SelfDemonstrating/{{Lobo}} too. His habit of taking on much younger female sidekicks happens to allude to SelfDemonstrating/{{The Joker}}.
** Orian is an Expy of, of all people, Myxztplk, though not played for laughs. A touch of Lobo is thrown into the mix as well, also not played for laughs.

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** The superhero Qubit is a rather unusual case of this, being based on a non-comics, non-superhero character. He's clearly based off of the [[Series/DoctorWho the Doctor]], particularly the Tenth Doctor]] (admittedly, with some Doctor, but also has similarities to [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Mr. Fantastic]] and Forge from the ComicBook/XMen).
** Modeus is an Expy of ComicBook/LexLuthor with a little bit of [[AiIsACrapshoot Brainiac]] thrown in. Curiously, WordOfGod states that Modeus and the Plutonian's relationship is a bit closer to Batman and ComicBook/TheJoker's.
ComicBook/XMen.
** Max Damage combines elements of Metallo ([[SenseLossSadness especially the frustration at losing his senses when he powers up]]) and [[ComicBook/WonderWoman Giganta]]. Silver Age Giganta got stronger and tougher, but less intelligent, when she grew - Max loses brainpower more indirectly, through the severe sleep deprivation necessary to bring him up to full strength. His biker-evoking design, crude habits, and rugged looks might be nods to ComicBook/ThePunisher and SelfDemonstrating/{{Lobo}} too. His habit of taking on much younger female sidekicks happens to allude to SelfDemonstrating/{{The Joker}}.
** Orian is an Expy of, of all people, Myxztplk, though not played for laughs. A touch of Lobo is thrown into the mix as well, also not played for laughs.
ComicBook/TheJoker.



** Orian is one of, of all people, Mr. Myxztplk, albeit stripped of any comic relief qualities. A touch of General Zod is thrown into the mix as well, particularly his ManipulativeBastard qualities and his ultimate plan being to draw in an invasion force from AnotherDimension.



** Scylla and Charybdis are a really deconstructive take on the original ComicBook/HawkAndDove... notably, when Hawk dies, Dove goes insane and violent in mourning.
*** Alternatively, they're how the [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Marvel Family]] would work if they weren't [[IncorruptiblePurePureness near-impossibly nice.]]
*** Alternatively, they're the ComicBook/WonderTwins.
*** They might even be nods to [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} Summers Bros.]], especially considering the reveal that [[spoiler: they have a long lost brother living as a monk, which might be alluding to the subplot of a 3rd Summers Brother in X-Men.]]

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** Scylla and Charybdis are a really deconstructive take on grab-bag of traits from various {{Sibling Team}}s throughout comic history. They have the original ComicBook/HawkAndDove... notably, when Hawk dies, Dove goes insane and violent in mourning.
*** Alternatively, they're how the
opposite-personalities dynamic of ComicBook/HawkAndDove, a powerset similar to [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} the Marvel Family]] would work if and power-sharing mechanics that borrow from the latter ''and'' the ComicBook/WonderTwins. They might even be nods to [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} Summers Bros.]], especially considering the reveal that [[spoiler: they weren't [[IncorruptiblePurePureness near-impossibly nice.have a long lost brother living as a monk, which might be alluding to the subplot of a third Summers Brother in X-Men.]]
*** Alternatively, they're the ComicBook/WonderTwins.
*** They might even be nods to [[ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} Summers Bros.]], especially considering the reveal that [[spoiler: they have a long lost brother living as a monk, which might be alluding
** The Eleos are {{Proud Scholar Race Guy}}s with an AlienNonInterferenceClause, similar to the subplot Watchers from Marvel, while possessing a [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever size]] and [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm physiology]] very similar to ComicBook/{{Galactus}}. [[spoiler:TheReveal they are the Plutonian's birth parents ([[BizarreAlienBiology after a fashion]]) makes them loose counterparts to Jor-El and Lara Lor-Van, those of a 3rd Summers Brother in X-Men.Superman.]]
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