History Comicbook / HawkAndDove

26th Nov '17 1:03:23 AM FrozenWolf2
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** Dawn's post revival character has symptoms of Chickification and BadassDecay. Essentially Dawn became more passive,empathetic, and less accomplished as a fighter compared to her more proactive and snarky self of the Kesel run. Almost like the writers forgot that Dawn isn't Don's DistaffCounterpart nor a TechinicalPacifist. Dawn would throw down just as quick as Hank, she just tended to be calmer in a fight using her wits and pragmatism to get the advantage.

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** Dawn's post revival character has symptoms of Chickification and BadassDecay. Essentially Dawn became more passive,empathetic, and less accomplished as a fighter compared to her more proactive and snarky self of the Kesel run. Almost like the writers forgot that Dawn isn't Don's DistaffCounterpart nor a TechinicalPacifist.DistaffCounterpart. Dawn would throw down just as quick as Hank, she just tended to be calmer in a fight using her wits and pragmatism to get the advantage.
26th Nov '17 1:00:53 AM FrozenWolf2
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** Dawn's post revival character has alot of symptoms of Chickfication and BadassDecay. Essentially Dawn became more passive,empathetic, and less accomplished as a fighter compared to her more proactive and snarky self of the Kesel run. Almost like the writers forgot that Dawn isn't Don's DistaffCounterpart nor a TechinicalPacifist. Dawn would throw down just as quick as Hank, she just tended to be calmer in a fight using her wits and pragmatism to get the advantage.

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** Dawn's post revival character has alot of symptoms of Chickfication Chickification and BadassDecay. Essentially Dawn became more passive,empathetic, and less accomplished as a fighter compared to her more proactive and snarky self of the Kesel run. Almost like the writers forgot that Dawn isn't Don's DistaffCounterpart nor a TechinicalPacifist. Dawn would throw down just as quick as Hank, she just tended to be calmer in a fight using her wits and pragmatism to get the advantage.
26th Nov '17 12:57:48 AM FrozenWolf2
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** Dawn's post revival character has alot of symptoms of Chickfication and BadassDecay. Essentially Dawn became more passive,empathetic, and less accomplished as a fighter compared to her more proactive and snarky self of the Kesel run. Almost like the writers forgot that Dawn isn't Don's DistaffCounterpart nor a TechinicalPacifist. Dawn would throw down just as quick as Hank, she just tended to be calmer in a fight using her wits and pragmatism to get the advantage.
26th Nov '17 12:53:23 AM FrozenWolf2
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* LegacyCharacter: Dawn Granger, the current Dove, inherited the title from Don Hall.

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* LegacyCharacter: Dawn Granger, the current Dove, inherited the title from Don Hall. Holly was this to Hank, till the powers that be decided Hank needed to come back.


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** Dawn herself was subjected to this to facilitate Hank's aforementioned turn to evil. She atleast got to get better.
17th Oct '17 2:53:06 PM DaibhidC
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(At around this point, another Hawk & Dove were introduced in the wake of another CrisisCrossover, who had absolutely no connection with the Lords of Chaos and Order or the Halls. They got their own miniseries, joined a Titans offshoot that didn't go anywhere, and were never mentioned again.)

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(At around this point, another Hawk & Dove were introduced in the wake of another CrisisCrossover, who had absolutely no connection with the Lords of Chaos and Order or the Halls.Hank and Dawn. They got their own miniseries, joined a Titans offshoot that didn't go anywhere, and were never mentioned again.)
17th Oct '17 2:50:13 PM DaibhidC
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(At around this point, another Hawk & Dove were introduced in the wake of another CrisisCrossover, who had absolutely no connection with the Lords of Chaos and Order. They got their own miniseries, joined a Titans offshoot that didn't go anywhere, and were never mentioned again.)

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(At around this point, another Hawk & Dove were introduced in the wake of another CrisisCrossover, who had absolutely no connection with the Lords of Chaos and Order.Order or the Halls. They got their own miniseries, joined a Titans offshoot that didn't go anywhere, and were never mentioned again.)
17th Oct '17 2:48:09 PM DaibhidC
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(At around this point, another Hawk & Dove were introduced in the wake of another CrisisCrossover, who had absolutely no connection with the Lords of Chaos and Order. They got their own miniseries, joined a Titans offshoot that didn't go anywhere, and were never mentioned again.)
28th Jul '17 5:45:52 PM DAMartin
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* IKnowYourTrueName: Issue #15 (1990) features a subversion of this. Hawk and Dove find themselves stranded in Druspa Tau, a place of magic, different from their superheroic place of origin. There is a magical liquid metal called "tridic metal". It can be made to form any object the wielder can imagine but only if the wielder knows that object's True Name. One master does amazing things with the True Names of "staff" and "sword" and "morningstar" etc. Hawk? Figures out that if you know every last detail of an object, you don't need the True Name. So he picks up a blob of tridic metal and goes "Trigger. Muzzle. Safety catch ..."
20th Mar '17 10:51:10 AM rafi
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* AbortedArc: The New 52 series had mention of a "war circle" Hawk was a part of, not to mention the whole deal with Condor and Alex Quirk, all abandoned after the series was cancelled.

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* AbortedArc: The New 52 series had mention of a "war circle" Hawk was a part of, not to mention the whole deal with Condor and Alex Quirk, all abandoned after the series was cancelled.
!!General tropes



* AxCrazy: Swan, an EvilCounterpart to Dove, who got her powers by stabbing another avatar.
* CodeName: Hank Hall and Dawn Granger are Hawk and Dove, matched avatars for War and Peace, respectively.
* DarkAndTroubledPast: Dawn, in the reboot. The exact details never get expanded upon, but the implication is she was homeless, and much more violent than her present behaviour suggests.
* DeaderThanDead: Condor makes an offhand comment about having eaten Don's soul. He's interrupted before he can finish, and the series was cancelled before it could be explained any further.
* DependingOnTheArtist: Hank Hall/Hawk's build has varied from being simply brawny to full-on Liefeldian beefiness (it doesn't help that the '80s mini-series was drawn by Liefeld to start with).
** Artists also waver between showing Hawk and Dove's eyes through their costumes or doing a full-on Batman effect with whiting out their eyes.
** Dawn Granger/Dove II started out as an average-height girl who would magically grow to become taller as Dove, while her shorter blonde hair would change to become long and white. In recent years, artists often forget this and portray her height as being the same in both forms and her hair winds up often being colored white in civilian mode too.



* RedOniBlueOni: Hawk's Red Oni to Dove's Blue Oni.

!!Hank Hall and Don Hall
* DeaderThanDead: Condor makes an offhand comment about having eaten Don's soul. He's interrupted before he can finish, and the series was cancelled before it could be explained any further.
* DependingOnTheArtist:
** Hank Hall/Hawk's build has varied from being simply brawny to full-on Liefeldian beefiness (it doesn't help that the '80s mini-series was drawn by Liefeld to start with).
** Artists also waver between showing Hawk and Dove's eyes through their costumes or doing a full-on Batman effect with whiting out their eyes.



* IncorruptiblePurePureness:
** Don Hall during BlackestNight is the only corpse immune to [[DemonicPossession Black Ring resurrection]]. He was apparently so at peace with his death that his white aura utterly obliterated any Black Lantern rings that tried to reanimate his corpse.
** Dawn Granger has this while alive, and it's weaponized.

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* IncorruptiblePurePureness:
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IncorruptiblePurePureness: Don Hall during BlackestNight ''Blackest Night'' is the only corpse immune to [[DemonicPossession Black Ring resurrection]]. He was apparently so at peace with his death that his white aura utterly obliterated any Black Lantern rings that tried to reanimate his corpse. \n** Dawn Granger has this while alive, and it's weaponized.



* LegacyCharacter: Dawn Granger, the current Dove, inherited the title from Don Hall.
* LightEmUp: During ''Blackest Night'', Dove displayed the ability to give off a bright white light that destroyed Black Lanterns.
* MaleGaze: Dawn get many as Dove.



* RedOniBlueOni: Hawk's Red Oni to Dove's Blue Oni.



* SiblingYinYang:
** Hank was generally characterized as a short-tempered and fight-happy loudmouth, with Don being the calmer, more pacifistic, and studious brother.
*** Co-creator Steve Skeates expressed some dismay with the {{Flanderization}} that quickly set in after the heroes' debut, as Steve Ditko was more apt to writing the stories in Hank's favor and making Don come off too passive and weak, rather than balancing out the brothers' characterizations.
** And again with Dawn and Holly Granger.

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* SiblingYinYang:
**
SiblingYinYang: Hank was generally characterized as a short-tempered and fight-happy loudmouth, with Don being the calmer, more pacifistic, and studious brother.
*** ** Co-creator Steve Skeates expressed some dismay with the {{Flanderization}} that quickly set in after the heroes' debut, as Steve Ditko was more apt to writing the stories in Hank's favor and making Don come off too passive and weak, rather than balancing out the brothers' characterizations.
** And again with
characterizations.

!!Holly and
Dawn and Granger
* CListFodder:
Holly Granger.got her heart torn out by a Black Lantern, Hank Hall. Though turned into a zombie as well, she was not resurrected (having been disintegrated to ash by her sister's light powers)
* DependingOnTheArtist:
** Holly was shown with brown hair, red hair, and blonde hair throughout her short-lived time in the comics. The length of her hair also varied wildly, as did her height and [[MostCommonSuperPower bust size]].
** Dawn was originally depicted as a woman of average height in her civilian form, and would grow to be taller as Dove. Her hair would also change from blonde to white, and grow in length. Some of the later colorists forgot this and had her hair white in both of her identities, while artists depicted her hair as the same length in both.
* DependingOnTheWriter: Geoff Johns and other writers intended for Holly to be the younger sister, though Judd Winick had the impression she was older. Some of the writers also seemed to forget that Dawn was around the age of the New Teen Titans, at times treating her as if she were a little younger.
* IncorruptiblePurePureness: Dawn's was so strong that her aura could destroy [[OurZombiesAreDifferent Black Lanterns]].
* LegacyCharacter: Dawn Granger, the current Dove, inherited the title from Don Hall.
* LightEmUp: During ''Blackest Night'', Dove displayed the ability to give off a bright white light that destroyed Black Lanterns.
* MaleGaze: Dawn get many as Dove.
* RememberTheNewGuy: In the Kesels ''Hawk and Dove'' series, Dawn was stated to be an only child, which was something which she felt bad about. Geoff Johns attempted to quickly explain Holly's existence by stating that she had been living away in England since her childhood. But a confusing point was that he and other writers treated Dawn's parents as if they had been long divorced, while the Kesels showed them to have a happy marriage.


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* SiblingYinYang: During their time as a duo, Dawn was portrayed as the more responsible and cautious elder sister. Meanwhile, Holly was louder, reckless, and more fight-happy.

!!Hank Hall and Dawn Granger (New 52)
* AbortedArc: The New 52 series had mention of a "war circle" Hawk was a part of, not to mention the whole deal with Condor and Alex Quirk, all abandoned after the series was cancelled.
* AxCrazy: Swan, an EvilCounterpart to Dove, who got her powers by stabbing another avatar.
* CodeName: Hank Hall and Dawn Granger are Hawk and Dove, matched avatars for War and Peace, respectively.
* DarkAndTroubledPast: Dawn, in the reboot. The exact details never get expanded upon, but the implication is she was homeless, and much more violent than her present behaviour suggests.
30th Jan '17 3:49:37 PM themisterfree
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After Don's death during ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, a woman named Dawn Granger became the new Dove to keep Hawk balanced. This lasted for a while, between Nineteen Eighty-Six to Nineteen Eight-Nine, until ComicBook/{{Armageddon 2001}}, when due to behind-the-scenes reasons, Hank became the supervillain the Monarch, and Dawn died. Hank disappeared for some time, before re-appearing in ComicBook/ZeroHour as Extant, the supposed BigBad (though he was actually working for Parallax, the real villain of that story).

During Creator/GeoffJohns run on ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica, Extant was killed by Atom Smasher. And then Dawn turned out to have been alive all along, her death having been faked by the evil wizard Mordru, who was also responsible for Hank's descent into villainy. The next time Dawn reappeared, she had a new partner, her never-before mentioned sister Holly, who'd been living in Britain. The due remained mostly in the background for a time.

Then, in ComicBook/BlackestNight, Hank was brought back as a Black Lantern, who hunted down and killed Holly. At the end of the event, Hank was revived by the White Lantern. He and Dawn then joined the newest version of ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey. At the same time, Dawn began a relationship with ComicBook/{{Deadman}}.

When DC instituted the line-wide reboot ComicBook/TheNew52, Hawk and Dove (Hank and Dawn version) got a new series, which introduced several new bird-themed avatars, opposed to Hawk and Dove. However, it didn't sell well, and failed within eight issues. They have most recently appeared in ''Comicbook/TitansHunt2015'', which [[RetCon reveals]] that a version of the classic Titans once existed in the New 52 universe, but everyone involved had [[LaserGuidedAmnesia their memories wiped]]. [[spoiler: Apparently including Hank's memories of Don, who sacrificed himself to save the team]].

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After Don's death during ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', a woman named Dawn Granger became the new Dove to keep Hawk balanced. This lasted for a while, between Nineteen Eighty-Six to Nineteen Eight-Nine, 1986 and 1991, until ComicBook/{{Armageddon 2001}}, ''ComicBook/{{Armageddon 2001}}'', when due to behind-the-scenes reasons, Hank became the supervillain the Monarch, and Dawn died. Hank disappeared for some time, before re-appearing in ComicBook/ZeroHour ''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' as Extant, the supposed BigBad (though he was actually working for Parallax, the real villain of that story).

During Creator/GeoffJohns run on ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica, ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'', Extant was killed by Atom Smasher. And then Dawn turned out to have been alive all along, her death having been faked by the evil wizard Mordru, who was also responsible for Hank's descent into villainy. The next time Dawn reappeared, she had a new partner, her never-before mentioned sister Holly, who'd been living in Britain. The due remained mostly in the background for a time.

Then, in ComicBook/BlackestNight, ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'', Hank was brought back as a Black Lantern, who hunted down and killed Holly. At the end of the event, Hank was revived by the White Lantern. He and Dawn then joined the newest version of the ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey. At the same time, Dawn began a relationship with ComicBook/{{Deadman}}.

When DC instituted the ''[[ComicBook/TheNew52 New 52]]'' line-wide reboot ComicBook/TheNew52, reboot, Hawk and Dove (Hank (the Hank and Dawn version) got a new series, which introduced several new bird-themed avatars, opposed to Hawk and Dove. However, it didn't sell well, and failed within eight issues. They have most recently appeared in ''Comicbook/TitansHunt2015'', which [[RetCon reveals]] that a version of the classic Titans once existed in the New 52 universe, but everyone involved had [[LaserGuidedAmnesia their memories wiped]]. [[spoiler: Apparently including Hank's memories of Don, who sacrificed himself to save the team]].
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