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* MundaneUtility: Given the domestic feel of their comics, this also happens a lot - most obviously, Reed using his stretching powers to use multiple workstations at once.
3rd Aug '16 3:11:15 PM Morgenthaler
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* CasualHighDrop: During Creator/JohnByrne's tenure, he had She-Hulk substitute for Ben Grimm. While fighting against the mask of Doctor Doom (who'd presumably died), she fell from a top-story window of the Baxter Building, and plummeted many stories to the street below. Of course, this won't hurt She-Hulk much; she instead aimed to miss the people and cars to minimize the collateral damage. How thoughtful.
31st Jul '16 10:34:40 AM nombretomado
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* FollowTheLeader: By Stan Lee's [[WordOfGod own account]], the Fantastic Four were conceived as a way to cash in on the success of [[DCComics DC]]'s ''JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' series.

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* FollowTheLeader: By Stan Lee's [[WordOfGod own account]], the Fantastic Four were conceived as a way to cash in on the success of [[DCComics [[Creator/DCComics DC]]'s ''JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' series.
25th Jul '16 2:38:06 PM LentilSandEater
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** [{Justified|Trope}} via Retcon when it's revealed that [[spoiler:their powers were, in fact, based on their personalities, as Reed gave them their powers during a TimeyWimeyBall]].

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** [{Justified|Trope}} JustifiedTrope via Retcon when it's revealed that [[spoiler:their powers were, in fact, based on their personalities, as Reed gave them their powers during a TimeyWimeyBall]].



* WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway: Susan used to have only invisibility in the early stories until Lee and Kirby realized that it was next to useless compared to the male members' powers. As a result, they gave Susan her force field powers, but it was only later under John Byrne's period that she learned to really make it a kick ass power set, using it with a new aggressiveness in battle. Since then, different writers have her being considered not only the most powerful member of the team, but one of the most powerful heroes, period.
** To give an example, she's used those forcefields to ''knock out the [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]''.
** It's further implied that if Sue didn't adhere to the rule of [[ThouShaltNotKill heroes not killing their enemies]] she could easily defeat most of her opponents by simply generating force field bubbles in their bodies and/or vital organs and making said force fields expand.
*** In ''Enemy Of The State'', Wolverine admits she's the only one of the four that scares him. Sue actually demonstrates how [[CombatPragmatist dirty she can fight]] if she wants to, by turning his retinas invisible, thus blinding him, then wrapping force fields around his lungs and threatening to crush them. That Wolvie was under HYDRA's mind-control at the time didn't stop her from subverting the IKnowYouAreInThereSomewhereFight to hell and back, and she even lampshades this with something along the lines of: "I don't care who's controlling you, you come into my home, threaten my children, did you think I'd go '''easy''' on you?"

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* WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway: Susan used to have only invisibility in the early stories until Lee and Kirby realized that it was next to useless compared to the male members' powers. As a result, they gave Susan her force field powers, but it was only later under John Byrne's period that she learned to really make it a kick ass power set, using it with a new aggressiveness in battle. Since then, different writers have her being considered not only the most powerful member of the team, but one of the most powerful heroes, period.
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period. To give an example, she's used those forcefields to ''knock out the [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]''.
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Hulk]]''. It's further implied that if Sue didn't adhere to the rule of [[ThouShaltNotKill heroes not killing their enemies]] she could easily defeat most of her opponents by simply generating force field bubbles in their bodies and/or vital organs and making said force fields expand.
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In ''Enemy Of The State'', Wolverine admits she's the only one of the four that scares him. Sue actually demonstrates how [[CombatPragmatist dirty she can fight]] if she wants to, by turning his retinas invisible, thus blinding him, then wrapping force fields around his lungs and threatening to crush them. That Wolvie was under HYDRA's mind-control at the time didn't stop her from subverting the IKnowYouAreInThereSomewhereFight to hell and back, and she even lampshades hammers this in with something along the lines of: "I don't care who's controlling you, you come into my home, threaten my children, did you think I'd go '''easy''' on you?"
25th Jul '16 2:35:17 PM LentilSandEater
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* GuileHero: Invisible Woman should be portrayed as this. She shamed Ben Grimm into piloting the ship during the first issue. She was also told to distract many of the Silver Age male supervillains. After Psycho Man temporarily turned her into Malice she used her knowledge of Reed and Psycho Man's personalities to track him down and take revenge on him. When Dr. Doom stole the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer, she tricked him into flying into outer space when he couldn't. During the Civil War, she spied on Reed. As any real chessmaster/manipulative bastard/guile hero would tell you, the greatest achievements in theses tropes is to make certain that your opponents don't realize you are a social expert.

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* GuileHero: GuileHero:
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Invisible Woman should be portrayed as this. She shamed Ben Grimm into piloting the ship during the first issue. She was also told to distract many of the Silver Age male supervillains. After Psycho Man temporarily turned her into Malice she used her knowledge of Reed and Psycho Man's personalities to track him down and take revenge on him. When Dr. Doom stole the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer, she tricked him into flying into outer space when he couldn't. During the Civil War, she spied on Reed. As any real chessmaster/manipulative bastard/guile hero would tell you, the greatest achievements in theses tropes is to make certain that your opponents don't realize you are a social expert.



* HiddenDepths: Johnny generally acts like a teenager on hormonal overdrive, but he's generally portrayed as a skilled mechanic at the very least, and a competent planner at his best.

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* HiddenDepths: HiddenDepths:
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Johnny generally acts like a teenager on hormonal overdrive, but he's generally portrayed as a skilled mechanic at the very least, and a competent planner at his best.



* HonoraryUncle: Ben Grimm, to Franklin and Val. Much more than honorary as Ben is also Franklin's godfather and the closest thing Reed has to family (before Sue and Johnny came into his life). And Ben always refers to Franklin and Valeria as "nephew" and "niece"; it's likely [[TrueCompanions all four have forgotten they're not related by blood]].

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* HonoraryUncle: HonoraryUncle:
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Ben Grimm, to Franklin and Val. Much more than honorary as Ben is also Franklin's godfather and the closest thing Reed has to family (before Sue and Johnny came into his life). And Ben always refers to Franklin and Valeria as "nephew" and "niece"; it's likely [[TrueCompanions all four have forgotten they're not related by blood]].



** Then again, it's (maybe) possible Victor'd already had at least one doctorate under his belt and was pursuing another one at the time of the accident that scarred him.
*** Or, perhaps when he took over Latveria he had one of its universities give him an honorary degree.
** Or it doesn't matter. Even most doctors aren't smart enough to steal powers from cosmic beings.



* PersonalityPowers: Especially noticeable with the hot-headed Human Torch and the solid and stubborn Thing.

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* PersonalityPowers: PersonalityPowers:
** [{Justified|Trope}} via Retcon when it's revealed that [[spoiler:their powers were, in fact, based on their personalities, as Reed gave them their powers during a TimeyWimeyBall]].
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Especially noticeable with the hot-headed Human Torch and the solid and stubborn Thing.



** {{Justified|Trope}} via Retcon when it's revealed that [[spoiler:their powers were, in fact, based on their personalities, as Reed gave them their powers during a TimeyWimeyBall]].



* StatusQuoIsGod: The Thing gets turned into a human about once every few years, but always gets turned back, usually because he needs to help someone out.
** It's something of a running gag. Sometimes when it happens he actively tries to regain his powers as he feels useless and naked without them.

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* StatusQuoIsGod: StatusQuoIsGod:
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The Thing gets turned into a human about once every few years, but always gets turned back, usually because he needs to help someone out.
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out. It's something of a running gag. Sometimes when it happens he actively tries to regain his powers as he feels useless and naked without them.



** [[spoiler:Johnny dying a year before the FF's 50th anniversary.]] Yeaaaah, ''that'll'' stick.
*** [[spoiler:All part of the plan - Johnny ends up in the Negative Zone leading a FiveManBand to overthrow Annihilus and gains control over the Annihilation Wave.]] TookALevelInBadass indeed.

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** [[spoiler:Johnny dying a year before the FF's 50th anniversary.]] Yeaaaah, ''that'll'' stick.
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stick. Then becomes a subversion when instead of the plan - Johnny simply coming back to life he [[spoiler: ends up in the Negative Zone leading a FiveManBand to overthrow Annihilus and gains control over the Annihilation Wave.]] TookALevelInBadass indeed.
25th Jul '16 2:30:32 PM LentilSandEater
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* WhatHaveIBecome: Ben Grimm had this come up a lot in the early year but by this point now he's pretty much over it, although he has his good days and his bad days. The "bad days" that happen to him are usually caused by someone (most of the time a kid or kids) who're not used to seeing him up close get freaked out. Sometimes accompanied with a scream like "Mommy! It's a monster!" or some variation thereof, and he gets reminded of his hideous appearance. The ''real'' reason for this, however, is because TrueArtIsAngsty and writers sometimes want to do wangsty stories centered around him. For long-term fans who've followed FF stories through the years, it's getting a bit old.

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* WhatHaveIBecome: Ben Grimm had this come up a lot in the early year years, but by this point now he's pretty much over it, although he has his good days and his bad days. The "bad days" that happen to him are usually caused by someone (most of the time a kid or kids) who're not used to seeing him up close get freaked out. Sometimes accompanied with a scream like "Mommy! It's a monster!" or some variation thereof, and he gets reminded of his hideous appearance. The ''real'' reason for this, however, is because TrueArtIsAngsty and writers sometimes want to do wangsty stories centered around him. For long-term fans who've followed FF stories through the years, it's getting a bit old.
25th Jul '16 2:30:16 PM LentilSandEater
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* WhatHaveIBecome: Ben Grimm.
** By this point now he's pretty much over it, although he has his good days and his bad days.
*** The "bad days" that happen to him are usually caused by someone (most of the time a kid or kids) who're not used to seeing him up close get freaked out. Sometimes accompanied with a scream like "Mommy! It's a monster!" or some variation thereof, and he gets reminded of his hideous appearance. The ''real'' reason for this, however, is because TrueArtIsAngsty and writers sometimes want to do wangsty stories centered around him. For long-term fans who've followed FF stories through the years, it's getting a bit old.

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* WhatHaveIBecome: Ben Grimm.
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Grimm had this come up a lot in the early year but by this point now he's pretty much over it, although he has his good days and his bad days.
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days. The "bad days" that happen to him are usually caused by someone (most of the time a kid or kids) who're not used to seeing him up close get freaked out. Sometimes accompanied with a scream like "Mommy! It's a monster!" or some variation thereof, and he gets reminded of his hideous appearance. The ''real'' reason for this, however, is because TrueArtIsAngsty and writers sometimes want to do wangsty stories centered around him. For long-term fans who've followed FF stories through the years, it's getting a bit old.
25th Jul '16 2:25:46 PM LentilSandEater
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** In the CrisisCrossover event, Comicbook/SecretWars2015, [[spoiler:Doctor Doom]] gains nigh-omnipotent power and uses it to fuse what's left of the destroyed multiverse into Battleworld, where he rules as God. [[spoiler:While he's at it, though, he takes the opportunity to throw as many {{Take That}}s at Reed Richards as possible, including rewriting history so that he was Sue's husband and the father of Franklin and Valeria instead of Reed.]] Reed is clearly upset about this when he finds out, but due to what's at stake, he doesn't act on it immediately. However, it should ''also'' be noted that we're never informed if [[spoiler:Doom's]] marriage with Sue was intimate or not, and that Reed doesn't consider this Sue the same one he knew, so the trope may be subverted in that regard, but Reed was on the verge of tears nonetheless.

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** In the CrisisCrossover event, Comicbook/SecretWars2015, [[spoiler:Doctor Doom]] gains nigh-omnipotent power and uses it to fuse what's left of the destroyed multiverse into Battleworld, where he rules as God. [[spoiler:While he's at it, though, he takes the opportunity to throw as many {{Take That}}s at Reed Richards as possible, including rewriting history so that he was Sue's husband and the father of Franklin and Valeria instead of Reed.]] Reed is clearly upset about this when he finds out, but due to what's at stake, he doesn't act on it immediately. However, it should ''also'' be noted that we're never informed if [[spoiler:Doom's]] marriage with Sue was intimate or not, and that Reed doesn't consider this Sue the same one he knew, so the trope may be subverted averted in that regard, but Reed was on the verge of tears nonetheless.
25th Jul '16 2:24:05 PM LentilSandEater
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* BadassBookworm: Reed Richards happens to be not only elastic, but the biggest nerd on Earth.
** Ben Grimm should also qualify, at least by implication. They don't let BookDumb bruisers become test pilots and astronauts (in RealLife you have to have at least two Master's degrees or a [=PhD=] to be considered for space missions), and apparently Reed found him qualified to fly an experimental spacecraft. He also can follow Reed's {{Technobabble}} well enough to translate it into LaymansTerms,

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* BadassBookworm: BadassBookworm:
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Reed Richards happens to be not only elastic, but the biggest nerd on Earth.
** Ben Grimm should also qualify, at least by implication.is overlooked, but is almost as nerdy and smart as Reed. They don't let BookDumb bruisers become test pilots and astronauts (in RealLife you have to have at least two Master's degrees or a [=PhD=] to be considered for space missions), and apparently Reed found him qualified to fly an experimental spacecraft. He also can follow Reed's {{Technobabble}} well enough to translate it into LaymansTerms,
24th Jul '16 2:48:31 PM DAMartin
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* LastMinuteBabyNaming: Franklin went nameless for a while after being born, until he was named after the deceased Franklin Storm.
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