History ComicBook / Watchmen

19th Jan '17 2:46:12 PM JulianLapostat
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* MissionCreep: Part of the drama about the grounded take on superheroes is the poignancy of what heroes do, or what they become, when there aren't bad guys and supervillains to fight and they have to take on real problems:
** As noted by Hollis Mason and others, the original superheroes were formed to fight street crime and to that end, they formed crime fighting groups and gadgets. But upon meeting with success and facing a reduction of crime, the superheroes have to find other avenues to work, and either become celebrities, try (and fail) to blend back into civilian life or in the case of Mason, retire only to come to face the PhysicalGod Dr. Manhattan who is more or less going to make his career and all memory of it obsolete. Eventually the superheroes face a public and government backlash, opposed by the police and other supporters for being Vigilante government-loyal stooges in a time when America is [[{{Eagleland}} a major, unopposed superpower]].
** Ozymandias and The Comedian discuss this during the first (and only) meeting of the Crimebusters. Ozymandias wants to form a professional crime fighting group to shut down all crime but the Comedian notes that it's ridiculous and pointless in the shadow of the nuclear bomb and so long as none of them have a solution to deal with that, such crime-fighting is meaningless kid's stuff. [[spoiler:Ozymandias sees The Comedian's comments as illustrating that a true superhero's capacity has to grow and expand to properly "save the world" and so abandons conventional superheroism outwardly while still committing himself to save the world by becoming a corporate magnate, scientist and WellIntentionedExtremist. Some would say that Ozymandias has undergone MotiveDecay but Ozy would insist that conventional heroes have to grow up to better tackle problems of the adult world of geopolitics, commerce and mass media]].
11th Jan '17 2:54:36 PM Rubber_Lotus
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* NoHonorAmongThieves: Lampshaded by Rorschach:
--> "Don't worry... won't insult legendary underworld solidarity by suggesting you surrender name without torture."
5th Jan '17 10:28:18 PM Evan98
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** He dismisses those allegations because they're inconvenient to his narrative in which The Comedian was a hero, not because he has any legitimate grounds to disbelieve. His response highlights the real-world irony in which the conservatives who tend to be the most aggressive about stranger rape, considering it to be the worst of all evils, turn rape apologist when it comes to acquaintance rape.

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** He dismisses those allegations because they're inconvenient to his narrative in which The Comedian was a hero, not because he has any legitimate grounds to disbelieve. His response highlights the real-world irony in which the conservatives who tend to be the most aggressive about stranger rape, considering it to be the worst of all evils, turn rape apologist when it comes to acquaintance rape.
30th Dec '16 1:00:32 AM TheBigBopper
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The graphic novel was adapted (after several attempts that all spiraled into DevelopmentHell) in 2009 into the film [[Film/{{Watchmen}} Watchmen]], which also spawned a tie-in prequel game, ''Watchmen: The End is Nigh'', that focuses on Nite Owl II and Rorschach. While a very meticulously faithful comic book adaption (save for some tweaking of its final act), reception to it was decidedly mixed. Two longer cuts of the film (the "Director's Cut" and the ''three-and-a-half hour'' "Ultimate Cut") made for home video adapt even more of the book. While Dave Gibbons served as a creative consultant on the film, Moore (as he has done with the film adaptations of his work) had no involvement and remains uncredited.

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The graphic novel was adapted (after several attempts that all spiraled into DevelopmentHell) in 2009 into the film [[Film/{{Watchmen}} Watchmen]], which also spawned a tie-in prequel game, ''Watchmen: The End is Nigh'', that focuses on Nite Owl II and Rorschach. While Although it was a very meticulously faithful adaptation of the comic book adaption (save for some tweaking of its final act), reception to it was received a decidedly mixed.mixed reception. Two longer cuts of the film (the "Director's Cut" and the ''three-and-a-half hour'' "Ultimate Cut") made for home video adapt even more of the book. While Dave Gibbons served as a creative consultant on the film, Moore (as he has done with the film adaptations of his work) had no involvement and remains uncredited.
27th Dec '16 2:25:18 AM TheBigBopper
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A group called the Minutemen (a [[Main/CaptainErsatz Captain Ersatz]] of DC's Justice Society) operate as heroes in post-WWII America, but then the world is drastically altered in the early 60's with the arrival of Dr. Manhattan, an actual ''super-powered'' being, the result of a FreakLabAccident. The latter half of the 20th Century sees the US, with Dr. Manhattan's help, winning the VietnamWar which then leads a greatly escalated UsefulNotes/ColdWar. At the start of the story, much of the original Minutemen are retired or dead, and their successors, the Crimebusters, are now outlawed from crime-fighting by the passage of [[SuperRegistrationAct the Keene Act]] [[note]] ratified in 1977 during Nixon's ''third'' term[[/note]], with most retreating back to their private identities, though a few (including Dr. Manhattan) become notable public figures. Only the emotionally unstable Rorschach carries on crime-fighting, although his violent tactics paint him to most as a vigilante rather than a hero.

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A group called the Minutemen (a [[Main/CaptainErsatz Captain Ersatz]] of DC's Justice Society) operate as heroes in post-WWII America, but then the world is drastically altered in the early 60's with the arrival of Dr. Manhattan, an actual ''super-powered'' being, the result of a FreakLabAccident. The latter half of the 20th Century sees the US, with Dr. Manhattan's help, winning the VietnamWar which then leads a greatly escalated UsefulNotes/ColdWar. At the start of the story, much most of the original Minutemen are retired or dead, and their successors, the Crimebusters, are now outlawed forbidden from crime-fighting by the passage of [[SuperRegistrationAct the Keene Act]] [[note]] ratified in 1977 during Nixon's ''third'' term[[/note]], with most retreating back to their private identities, though a few (including Dr. Manhattan) become notable public figures. Only the emotionally unstable Rorschach carries on crime-fighting, although his violent tactics paint him to most as a vigilante rather than a hero.
10th Dec '16 1:00:22 PM Wyldchyld
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* FourHumorEnsemble: Rorschach (melancholic); Osterman (phlegmatic); Ozymandias (sanguine); Comedian (choleric). (Laurie and Dan are "supine").
9th Dec '16 6:21:46 PM JulianLapostat
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9th Dec '16 2:47:50 PM LookielouE1705
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** Unless Ozy's lying, he didn't start to generate his plan until The Comedian opened his eyes to the futility of his life up to that point by burning the map of America.
9th Dec '16 2:38:08 PM LookielouE1705
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* ThePasswordIsAlwaysSwordfish: It's suspiciously easy for Nite Owl and Rorschach to break into Ozymandias's computer, although this was probably deliberately arranged by Veidt to lure his colleagues to Antarctica and spare them from his scheme.

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* ThePasswordIsAlwaysSwordfish: It's suspiciously easy for Nite Owl and Rorschach to break into Ozymandias's computer, although this was probably deliberately arranged by Veidt to lure his colleagues to Antarctica and spare them from his scheme.scheme - and to give himself an audience to gloat to, what's the point of outwitting your fellow superheroes if they don't even know it?
9th Dec '16 1:31:54 PM LookielouE1705
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** He dismisses those allegations because they're inconvenient to his narrative in which The Comedian was a hero, not because he has any legitimate grounds to disbelieve. His response highlights the real-world irony in which the conservatives who tend to be the most aggressive about stranger rape, considering it to be the worst of all evils, turn rape apologist when it comes to acquaintance rape.
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