History ComicBook / TheCloneSaga

8th Jan '17 3:28:07 PM nombretomado
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* AlternateContinuity: [[CaptainObvious It's set in the]] [[UltimateMarvel Ultimate Universe]].

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* AlternateContinuity: [[CaptainObvious It's set in the]] [[UltimateMarvel [[ComicBook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate Universe]].
17th Dec '16 6:42:21 AM rafi
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[[folder:Spider-Man: TheAnimatedSeries]]
* GoMadFromTheRevelation: The alternate Spider-Man was already steaming mad about the clone fiasco, but when proof that he might be the clone and not the Scarlet Spider emerged, he was driven over the edge and prepared to kill his counterpart.
* OmnicidalManiac: The end result of binding a murderous Spider-Man with the deranged Carnage symbiote.
* PragmaticAdaptation: Since Peter never got with Gwen Stacy in this continuity, it's Mary Jane who gets cloned.
** Almost all of the clones and other characters are also written out as well, except for Ben Reilly who showed up for the interdimensional crossover.
* TakeThat: "This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot."
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17th Dec '16 6:41:07 AM rafi
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* HeelRelization: In the end, the Jackal has an epiphany and stops the bomb himself at the cost of his own life. Additionally, one of the Spider-Men is killed in the blast.

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* HeelRelization: HeelRealization: In the end, the Jackal has an epiphany and stops the bomb himself at the cost of his own life. Additionally, one of the Spider-Men is killed in the blast.
26th Nov '16 11:19:09 PM SpideyTerry
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* TakeThat: "This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot."
6th Nov '16 4:14:09 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheWorfEffect: Doctor Octopus got killed by Kaine to enforce the idea of Kaine being a BadAss. [[DeathIsCheap Death in comics being what it is]], Doctor Octopus recovers.

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* TheWorfEffect: Doctor Octopus got killed by Kaine to enforce the idea of Kaine being a BadAss.badass. [[DeathIsCheap Death in comics being what it is]], Doctor Octopus recovers.
9th Oct '16 2:58:46 PM JamesAustin
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[[quoteright:350:http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cloneage_3102.jpg]]
[[caption-width-right:350:''[[Music/WeirdAlYankovic I think I'm a clone now\\
There's always two of me\\
just a-hangin' around]]'']]



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[[caption-width-right:260:''[[Music/WeirdAlYankovic I think I'm a clone now\\
There's always two of me\\
just a-hangin' around]]'']]
13th Aug '16 5:44:02 PM CaptainMar-Vell92
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* DownerEnding: Ben dies, Peter and Mary Jane lose their baby, Osborn/Goblin is still at large and Peter decides to quit being Spider-Man (for the moment).
9th Aug '16 1:34:45 PM Ripburger
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[[AllForNothing In the end, for the most part nothing was changed.]]

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[[AllForNothing [[ResetButton In the end, for the most part nothing was changed.]]
9th Aug '16 1:32:50 PM Ripburger
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'''[[AC:The Seventies]]'''

The 1970s Clone Saga follows up on the death of Gwen Stacy, and is summarized with panels [[http://www.asitecalledfred.com/comics101/69.html here]]. It begins with the introduction of a new villain, the Jackal, followed by the money shot: Gwen Stacy, apparently back from the dead. As you might guess from the article, [[CloningBlues she's a clone]]. Eventually, the Jackal is [[DramaticUnmask unmasked]] as Miles Warren, Pete and Gwen's biology professor, who lusted in his heart for Gwen and blamed Spidey for her death. In the climax of the story, a clone of Spider-Man is created, and the two of them have to duke it out to see who is the real one, as only the true Spider-Man can defuse a bomb. In the end, the Jackal [[HeelRealization has an epiphany]] and stops the bomb himself at the cost of [[RedemptionEqualsDeath his own life]]. Additionally, one of the Spider-Men is killed in the blast. The surviving one gets tested to see if he's the original or not, but decides he [[AmbiguousCloneEnding doesn't want to read the results]]. This comes back to bite him.

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'''[[AC:The Seventies]]'''

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The 1970s '''1970s''' Clone Saga follows up on the death of Gwen Stacy, and is summarized with panels [[http://www.asitecalledfred.com/comics101/69.html here]]. It begins with the introduction of a new villain, the Jackal, followed by the a money shot: Gwen Stacy, apparently back from the dead. As you might guess have guessed from the article, [[CloningBlues she's a clone]]. clone. Eventually, the Jackal is [[DramaticUnmask unmasked]] as Miles Warren, Pete and Gwen's biology professor, Miles Warren, who lusted in his heart for Gwen and blamed Spidey for her death. In the climax of the story, a clone of Spider-Man is created, and the two of them have to duke it out to see who is the real one, as only the true Spider-Man can defuse a bomb. In the end, the Jackal [[HeelRealization has an epiphany]] and stops the bomb himself at the cost of [[RedemptionEqualsDeath his own life]]. Additionally, one of the Spider-Men is killed in the blast.one. The surviving one gets tested to see if he's the original or not, but decides he [[AmbiguousCloneEnding doesn't want to read the results]]. This comes back to bite him.



'''[[AC:The Nineties and beyond]]'''

The nineties Clone Saga opens with the canon reappearance of the Spider-Man clone--dubbed the "Scarlet Spider"--apparently not ''[[NotQuiteDead quite]]'' dead when Peter disposed of his body, who has built a life for himself and taken up the name Ben Reilly (after his [[DeadGuyJunior Uncle Ben]] and Aunt May's maiden name, respectively). The intricacies of this story, including some reflections from ''Clone Saga'' co-writer Glenn Greenberg, can be found on the ''[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/introduction-and-update.html Life of Reilly]]'' blog (which may be a book someday).

A brief summary: The Jackal comes back and starts playing mind-games with both Peter and Ben. A new villain, Kaine, is introduced and is eventually revealed to be yet another clone of Spider-Man; in fact, the first one made. After systematically bumping off the Spider-villains to prove his superiority (even smashing the ''Web of Spider-Man #124'' logo to pieces and replacing it with his own), Kaine inexplicably turns "good" in [[NinetiesAntiHero a bald-faced attempt]] to make him the star. Mary Jane gets pregnant. Aunt May and ComicBook/DoctorOctopus die. New villains are introduced such as Spidercide, Judas Traveller, Scrier, and the ''[[LegacyCharacter second]]'' Dr. Octopus. The Jackal also dies, but not before it is "proved" that Peter Parker is the clone and that Ben Reilly was the original Spider-Man. Though initially crushed by the news, Peter decides to hand the mantle of Spider-Man over to Ben so he can start a family. Fans and [[WriterRevolt writers]] united in an uproar, and an AuthorsSavingThrow was developed (there were a few built in there originally, but were never used as intended), revealing that Peter really was the original Spider-Man and the whole thing was manipulated by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, also back from the dead. In the end, Ben Reilly died in a manner that [[TheUnreveal explicitly showed he was a clone]], the Green Goblin returns to being Spider-Man's archenemy, Kaine and the Clone Gwen [[LongBusTrip disappear again]], and Aunt May and Dr. Octopus ''also'' come back from the dead because [--mumble mumble--] Oh, and Mary Jane miscarries (or does she? Read ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'' for more details).

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'''[[AC:The Nineties and beyond]]'''

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The nineties '''1990s''' Clone Saga opens with the canon reappearance of the Spider-Man clone--dubbed the "Scarlet Spider"--apparently not ''[[NotQuiteDead quite]]'' dead when Peter disposed of his body, who Spider"--who has built a life for himself and taken up the name Ben Reilly (after his [[DeadGuyJunior Uncle Ben]] and Aunt May's maiden name, respectively). The intricacies of this story, including some reflections from ''Clone Saga'' co-writer Glenn Greenberg, can be found on the ''[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/introduction-and-update.html Life of Reilly]]'' blog (which may be a book someday).

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A brief summary: summary ''*deep breath*'': The Jackal comes back and starts playing mind-games mind games with both Peter and Ben. A new villain, Kaine, is introduced and is eventually revealed to be yet another clone of Spider-Man; in fact, [[PsychoPrototype the first one made. made]]. After systematically bumping off the Spider-villains to prove his superiority (even smashing the ''Web of Spider-Man #124'' logo to pieces and replacing it with his own), Kaine inexplicably turns "good" in [[NinetiesAntiHero a bald-faced attempt]] ham-fisted attempt to make him the star.a star]]. Mary Jane gets pregnant. Aunt May and ComicBook/DoctorOctopus die. New villains are introduced introduced, such as Spidercide, Judas Traveller, Scrier, and the ''[[LegacyCharacter second]]'' Dr. Octopus. a ''[[DistaffCounterpart female]]'' Doc Ock. The Jackal also dies, but not before it is "proved" 'proven' that Peter Parker is the clone and that Ben Reilly was the original Spider-Man. Spider-Man all along. Though initially crushed by the news, Peter decides to [[LegacyCharacter hand the mantle of Spider-Man Spider-Man]] over to Ben so that he and M.J. can start a family. family.

Fans and [[WriterRevolt writers]] united in an uproar, and an AuthorsSavingThrow was developed (there were a few built in there originally, but were never used as intended), revealing that Peter really was the original Spider-Man and the whole thing was manipulated orchestrated by ComicBook/NormanOsborn, also '''also''' back from the dead. In the end, Ben Reilly died in a manner that [[TheUnreveal explicitly showed he was a clone]], the Green Goblin returns to being Spider-Man's archenemy, Kaine and the Clone Gwen [[LongBusTrip disappear again]], and Aunt May and Dr. Octopus ''also'' '''''also''''' come back from the dead because [--mumble mumble--] Oh, and Mary Jane miscarries (or does she? Read ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'' for more details).



The intricacies of this story, including some reflections from ''Clone Saga'' co-writer Glenn Greenberg, can be found on the ''[[http://lifeofreillyarchives.blogspot.com/2008/03/introduction-and-update.html Life of Reilly]]'' blog, which might be a book someday.

!!Retcons and re-tellings



* HeelRelization: In the end, the Jackal has an epiphany and stops the bomb himself at the cost of his own life. Additionally, one of the Spider-Men is killed in the blast.



* NeverFoundTheBody: Inverted with the clone Spider-Man, whose body was thrown down a chimney.

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* NeverFoundTheBody: Inverted Later inverted with the clone Spider-Man, whose body was thrown down a chimney. Apparently he was not ''[[NotQuiteDead quite]]'' dead when Peter disposed of his body,



* RedemptionEqualsDeath: Granted, it was a problem the Jackal ''started'', but..

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* RedemptionEqualsDeath: Granted, it was a problem the Jackal ''started'', but..but...
17th Jul '16 7:19:19 PM Discar
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* OutsideContextVillain: Judas Traveller and Scrier. Apparently no-one really knew what was going on with them, and while [[WhatCouldHaveBeen ideas were proposed]]--such as Traveller being a FallenAngel and Scrier being Mephisto--ultimately Traveller [[MasterOfIllusion was just an illusionist]] who bought into his own hype and started believing he could actually control time, and Scrier [[CollectiveIdentity was really a group of individuals in a cult who all wear the same masks]], apart from the lead Scrier, who was Norman Osborn himself...got all that?

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* OutsideContextVillain: OutsideContextProblem: Judas Traveller and Scrier. Apparently no-one really knew what was going on with them, and while [[WhatCouldHaveBeen ideas were proposed]]--such as Traveller being a FallenAngel and Scrier being Mephisto--ultimately Traveller [[MasterOfIllusion was just an illusionist]] who bought into his own hype and started believing he could actually control time, and Scrier [[CollectiveIdentity was really a group of individuals in a cult who all wear the same masks]], apart from the lead Scrier, who was Norman Osborn himself...got all that?
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