History ComicBook / TheCloneSaga

26th Jun '16 5:49:22 PM Anicomicgeek
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* FollowTheLeader: The debut of Kaine follows the wave of "[[AntiHeroSubstitute replace-the-hero]]" comics started by ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman''. Additionally, the "Maximum Clonage: Alpha and Omega" one-shots and ''ComicBook/ScarletSpider'' titles were inspired by similar gimmicks in ''ComicBook/AgeOfApocalypse''.
22nd Jun '16 5:42:39 AM MCanter89
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''The Clone Saga'' (or ''Spider-Clone Saga'') is the name of two ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' story arcs, one from the 1970s and another running from 1994 to 1996, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin both involving Spider-Man and clones]]. The second story, which is a sequel for all intents and purposes, is better remembered for being one of more the contentious Spider-Man stories -- ranked up there with ''[[ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan Sins Past]]'' and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' -- and the only time in history when the words "'''''Maximum Cloneage!'''''" could be [[DorkAge printed unironically.]] Intended to wrap up in less than a year, the comics sold well enough that the writers were 'encouraged' to prolong the series as long as possible. This led to some changes to the storyline that ultimately proved [[ArcFatigue very, very, long.]]

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''The Clone Saga'' (or ''Spider-Clone Saga'') is the name of two ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' story arcs, one from the 1970s and another running from 1994 to 1996, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin both involving Spider-Man and clones]]. The second story, which is a sequel for all intents and purposes, is better remembered for being one of more the contentious Spider-Man stories -- ranked up there with ''[[ComicBook/JMSSpiderMan Sins Past]]'' and ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' -- and the only time in history when the words "'''''Maximum Cloneage!'''''" could be [[DorkAge printed unironically.]] unironically]]. Intended to wrap up in less than a year, the comics sold well enough that the writers were 'encouraged' to prolong the series as long as possible. This led to some changes to the storyline that ultimately proved [[ArcFatigue very, very, long.]]
very long]].



In 2009, Tom [=DeFalco=] and Howard Mackie--two people involved in the second Saga--reunited for a mini-series called ''Spider-Man: The Clone Saga'', a "director's cut" and streamlined version of the story, with the supposed intent of telling the story as "originally intended". Some fans are crying [[LyingCreator Lying Creators]], or at least, not-entirely-accurate creators, since ''Life of Reilly'' indicates that [[CreativeDifferences many people intended the Clone Saga to be different things]]. The miniseries ends with [[spoiler: Peter and MJ still married, and Ben, baby May, ''and'' Aunt May alive and well,]] though it does also use some [[WhatCouldHaveBeen ideas proposed for the ending of the Saga]], such as [[spoiler: Harry Osborn]] being the mastermind, albeit in an altered form than proposed.

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In 2009, Tom [=DeFalco=] and Howard Mackie--two people involved in the second Saga--reunited for a mini-series called ''Spider-Man: The Clone Saga'', a "director's cut" and streamlined version of the story, with the supposed intent of telling the story as "originally intended". Some fans are crying [[LyingCreator Lying Creators]], {{Lying Creator}}s, or at least, not-entirely-accurate creators, since ''Life of Reilly'' indicates that [[CreativeDifferences many people intended the Clone Saga to be different things]]. The miniseries ends with [[spoiler: Peter [[spoiler:Peter and MJ still married, and Ben, baby May, ''and'' Aunt May alive and well,]] though it does also use some [[WhatCouldHaveBeen ideas proposed for the ending of the Saga]], such as [[spoiler: Harry [[spoiler:Harry Osborn]] being the mastermind, albeit in an altered form than proposed.



* NakedOnArrival: The Gwen Stacy clone, and later, all future clones who emerge from their pods. (The Jackal included.)

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* NakedOnArrival: The Gwen Stacy clone, and later, all future clones who emerge from their pods. pods (The Jackal included.)included).



* {{Revenge}}: The Jackal's motivation; he blames Spidey for not saving Gwen Stacy. Nevermind that it was the Green Goblin's fault...

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* {{Revenge}}: The Jackal's motivation; he blames Spidey for not saving Gwen Stacy. Nevermind that it was the Green Goblin's fault...fault…



[[folder:Clone Saga Crossover Event (1994-96)]]
* AffectionateParody: ''Spider Man: 101 Ways To End The Clone Saga'', a comic about Marvel writers and editors trying to find a way to pull off an AuthorsSavingThrow in increasingly humorous ways... [[SelfDeprecation and it's written by Marvel's writers and editors]].

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[[folder:Clone Saga Crossover Event (1994-96)]]
(1994–96)]]
* AffectionateParody: ''Spider Man: 101 Ways To End The Clone Saga'', a comic about Marvel writers and editors trying to find a way to pull off an AuthorsSavingThrow in increasingly humorous ways... ways… [[SelfDeprecation and it's written by Marvel's writers and editors]].



* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: The Jackal, and the TooDumbToLive characters in this IdiotPlot don't remember his constant betraying ''30 minutes after he does so.''

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* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: The Jackal, and the TooDumbToLive characters in this IdiotPlot don't remember his constant betraying ''30 minutes after he does so.''so''.



** Both the Grim Hunter (Kraven's first son) and Doctor Octopus were killed early on in order to establish Kaine as a powerful threat. The former's creator Howard Mackie offered up the Hunter because he reportedly didn't know where to take him, and he has stayed dead. [[ComicBookDeath Ock, however...]].

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** Both the Grim Hunter (Kraven's first son) and Doctor Octopus were killed early on in order to establish Kaine as a powerful threat. The former's creator Howard Mackie offered up the Hunter because he reportedly didn't know where to take him, and he has stayed dead. [[ComicBookDeath Ock, however...]].however…]].



* FirstGirlWins: Janine/Elizabeth Tyne, [[spoiler: who is Ben's babymama in ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'']].
* FleetingDemographicRule: The ultimate result, more or less. Suspicious test results, a Gwen Stacy clone still alive out there, somewhere...
-->'''Glenn Greenberg''': ''The status quo, at least in that regard, is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT from the way it was in 1975 when the original clone story line ended.''

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* FirstGirlWins: Janine/Elizabeth Tyne, [[spoiler: who [[spoiler:who is Ben's babymama in ''ComicBook/SpiderGirl'']].
* FleetingDemographicRule: The ultimate result, more or less. Suspicious test results, a Gwen Stacy clone still alive out there, somewhere...
somewhere…
-->'''Glenn Greenberg''': ''The The status quo, at least in that regard, is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT from the way it was in 1975 when the original clone story line ended.''



* [[ShooOutTheClowns Shoo Out The Clones...er, Clowns!]]: Kaine spends his early appearances doing this, "clearing the deck" for new rogues with his unbeatable Mark of Kane finisher.

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* [[ShooOutTheClowns Shoo Out The Clones...Clones… er, Clowns!]]: Kaine spends his early appearances doing this, "clearing the deck" for new rogues with his unbeatable Mark of Kane finisher.



[[folder: 2009-2010 Miniseries]]

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[[folder: 2009-2010 [[folder:2009–2010 Miniseries]]



* FakingTheDead: [[spoiler: Harry before the story.]]

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* FakingTheDead: [[spoiler: Harry [[spoiler:Harry before the story.]]
21st May '16 10:40:39 PM Anicomicgeek
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* ArcWelding: The murders Kaine committed happened that Peter was later blamed for was at the same time as the events of ''ComicBook/KravensLastHunt'', hence Peter didn't have an alibi when those murders happened unless he blew his secret identity.
1st May '16 8:34:15 AM Kazuto
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Elements from the Clone Sage were twice integrated into ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', once with Mary Jane being the one cloned and bringing back Hydro-Man as a foe and a second time for the final story where a Spider-Man from another universe went insane from the events and bonded with the Carnage symbiote in an attempt to destroy reality. A version of the Clone Saga for the Marvel's Ultimate line, the Ultimate Clone Saga was also created. This one takes elements of the previous two, mostly the former.

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Elements from the Clone Sage Saga were twice integrated into ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'', once with Mary Jane being the one cloned and bringing back Hydro-Man as a foe and a second time for the final story where a Spider-Man from another universe went insane from the events and bonded with the Carnage symbiote in an attempt to destroy reality. A version of the Clone Saga for the Marvel's Ultimate line, the Ultimate Clone Saga was also created. This one takes elements of the previous two, mostly the former.
26th Mar '16 10:25:04 AM JudasZala
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[[caption-width-right:260:''[[WeirdAlYankovic I think I'm a clone now\\

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[[caption-width-right:260:''[[WeirdAlYankovic [[caption-width-right:260:''[[Music/WeirdAlYankovic I think I'm a clone now\\
15th Dec '15 9:45:32 PM hamonrye
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* ResetButton: And many fans view it as an outright AssPull.

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* ResetButton: And many fans view it as an outright AssPull.In 1995, Aunt May dies of a heart attack (but only after revealing that she always knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man). This too was poignant. In 1998, Norman admits to kidnapping Aunt May, replacing her with a genetically altered elderly actress [!] and keeping the real May alive in a warehouse for absolutely no damn reason.
16th Nov '15 6:10:40 AM NESBoy
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'''The Seventies'''

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'''The Nineties and beyond'''

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13th Nov '15 4:22:36 AM hamonrye
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!!!The Nineties and beyond'''

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!!!The '''The Nineties and beyond'''beyond'''
13th Nov '15 4:21:56 AM hamonrye
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!!!The Seventies

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10th Nov '15 3:51:34 PM youngbond007
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