History ComicBook / Knightfall

16th Aug '16 11:50:30 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CreateYourOwnVillain: Paul is GenreSavvy enough to fully expects Cassius Clay Payne, the son of Clayface 3 and Lady Clayface, to return as a villain when he grows up. [[spoiler: He's right, and Cass eventually returns as Clayface 5.]]

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* CreateYourOwnVillain: Paul is GenreSavvy enough to fully expects Cassius Clay Payne, the son of Clayface 3 and Lady Clayface, to return as a villain when he grows up. [[spoiler: He's right, and Cass eventually returns as Clayface 5.]]



* GenreSavvy: Jim figures out quickly that whoever is under the cowl, it's not the "real" Batman, and tells Robin as much, referring to him as a punk. (Bullock ''likes'' the new Bats.)
11th Jul '16 8:56:48 AM Berrenta
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* CopKiller: The Joker and the Scarecrow lure a SWAT team into a funhouse and blow it up. This has no bearing whatsoever on their larger scheme; they just do it because they can.



* WarOnCops: The Joker and the Scarecrow lure a SWAT team into a funhouse and blow it up. This has no bearing whatsoever on their larger scheme; they just do it because they can.
2nd Jul '16 3:47:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheObiWan: Lady Shiva becomes this to Bruce for a while.
4th Jun '16 11:23:13 PM Dravencour
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* AntiHero:
** AntiHeroSubstitute: If not the trope maker, certainly an early codifier. Notably, this is one of the few times it is treated as [[DeconstructedTrope a bad thing]].

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* AntiHero:
AntiHero: Jean-Paul Valley.
** AntiHeroSubstitute: Az-Bats. If not the trope maker, certainly an early codifier. Notably, this is one of the few times it is treated as [[DeconstructedTrope a bad thing]].
12th Apr '16 4:23:23 PM AnotherGuy
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* WouldHurtAChild: When Bane kidnaps a mob boss' children, he's fascinated with them, never having seen children before. He actually plays with them. When Bird wonders if Bane will have a problem killing them, Zombie answers he wouldn't even blink at killing them.
12th Apr '16 4:20:14 PM AnotherGuy
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** Benedict and [[TheDragon his Dragon]] learn Bruce's identity. Both die. Shondra Kinsolving reverts to childhood.

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** Benedict and [[TheDragon his Dragon]] learn Bruce's identity. Both die. Shondra Kinsolving reverts to childhood.[[note]]She's gotten better, according to the ''Hush'' storyline.[[/note]]
12th Apr '16 4:17:50 PM AnotherGuy
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* HeartIsAnAwesomePower: Shondra Kinsolving's healing power seems benevolent, doesn't it? Her adopted brother uses her to ''weaponize'' healing.
18th Mar '16 10:45:58 AM moloch
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For a long time, rumours competed over whether DC/O'Neil had planned the whole thing from the start as a way of sticking it to readers clamouring for a DarkerAndEdgier Batman, or had seriously intended to replace Bruce Wayne as Batman[[labelnote:*]]Comic Book Legends Revealed even debunked the rumour that it was a ploy to stop paying Bob Kane royalties - incidentally, even if it had been, that wouldn't work, as long as they published a ''book'' called "Batman", regardless of the character's identity[[/labelnote]]. Since then, many of the series' writers have been upfront about the fact that Az-Bats' rise and subsequent fall had indeed been planned from the start, at least in part as a TakeThatAudience towards the "Batman should be like Comicbook/ThePunisher!" MisaimedFandom.

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For a long time, rumours competed over whether DC/O'Neil had planned the whole thing from the start as a way of sticking it to readers clamouring for a DarkerAndEdgier Batman, or had seriously intended to replace Bruce Wayne as Batman[[labelnote:*]]Comic Book Legends Revealed even debunked the rumour that it was a ploy to stop paying Bob Kane royalties - incidentally, even if it had been, that wouldn't work, as long as they published a ''book'' called "Batman", regardless of the character's identity[[/labelnote]]. Since then, many of the series' writers have been upfront about the fact that Az-Bats' rise and subsequent fall had indeed been planned from the start, at least in part as a TakeThatAudience towards the "Batman should be like Comicbook/ThePunisher!" MisaimedFandom. \n In retrospect, it's rather obvious, particularly when they introduced [[PlotTailoredToTheParty Shondra Kinsolving and her healing powers]] fully months before the start of the crossover.
18th Mar '16 10:31:26 AM moloch
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Around the time of ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', DC started publishing '''''Knightfall''''', a BatFamilyCrossover featured in ''Detective Comics'', ''Batman'', and other related DC titles in the early [[TheNineties 1990s]]. Longtime ''Batman'' writer and editor Denny O'Neil, not a fan of the new NinetiesAntiHero, planned out a storyline wherein Batman would face each of his major foes one last time before being crippled and replaced with a DarkerAndEdgier Batman, before eventually returning to the cowl rejuvenated. The prelude to the storyline took place from September 1992 to February 1993; this part focused on introducing several new players in Gotham City and showing the mental state of Bruce Wayne. The main storyline took place from April 1993 to August 1994, and follow-up storylines lasted from August 1994 to February 1995.

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Around the time of ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', DC started publishing '''''Knightfall''''', a BatFamilyCrossover featured in ''Detective Comics'', ''Batman'', and other related DC titles in the early [[TheNineties 1990s]]. Longtime ''Batman'' writer and editor Denny O'Neil, not a fan of the new NinetiesAntiHero, planned out a storyline wherein Batman Bruce would face each of his major foes one last time before being crippled and replaced with a DarkerAndEdgier Batman, Batman-For-The-Nineties, before eventually returning to being healed and taking back the cowl rejuvenated.cowl. The prelude to the storyline took place from September 1992 to February 1993; this part focused on introducing several new players in Gotham City and showing the mental state of Bruce Wayne. The main storyline took place from April 1993 to August 1994, and follow-up storylines lasted from August 1994 to February 1995.



Bruce lives through the attack, but he can no longer assume the role of Batman. He [[TakeUpMySword tells Jean-Paul to assume the role of The Batman]] -- Gotham still needs its protector, after all -- but also tells him to avoid a direct confrontation with Bane. [[FanNickname Az-Bats]] does a serviceable job as Batman (even though he keeps Robin sidelined), but exposure to Scarecrow's fear toxin causes "The System" to kick in and "protect" Jean-Paul. He begins to lose control of his violent inhibitions, which makes him more brutal in his confrontations with criminals. He also re-designs the Batsuit, first by adding clawed mechanical gloves armed with mini batarangs. He later bemoans his inability to fly and lack of protection against projectiles after a fight with Bane, which further re-designs help fix.

Commissioner Gordon becomes suspicious of Az-Bats (who he doesn't know has replaced the real Batman) when he fails to, well, [[StealthHiBye pull a Batman]] on him after they talk. His suspicions increase when the newly-armored Batman fights Bane once again, seemingly with the intent to kill him. Gordon stands ready to order his men to fire upon the "fake" Batman, but when Az-Bats spares Bane's life, Gordon spares Az-Bats.

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Bruce lives through the attack, but he can no longer assume the role of Batman. He [[TakeUpMySword tells Jean-Paul to assume the role of The Batman]] -- Gotham still needs its protector, after all -- but also tells him to avoid a direct confrontation with Bane. [[FanNickname Az-Bats]] does a serviceable job as Batman (even though he keeps Robin sidelined), but exposure to Scarecrow's fear toxin causes "The System" to kick in and "protect" Jean-Paul. He begins to lose control of his violent inhibitions, which makes him more brutal in his confrontations with criminals. He also re-designs the Batsuit, first by adding clawed mechanical gloves armed with mini batarangs.mini-batarangs. He later bemoans his inability to fly and lack of protection against projectiles after a fight with Bane, which further re-designs help fix.

Commissioner Gordon becomes suspicious of Az-Bats (who he doesn't know has replaced the real Batman) when he fails to, well, [[StealthHiBye pull a Batman]] on him after they talk. His suspicions increase when the newly-armored Batman fights Bane once again, seemingly with the intent to kill him. Gordon stands ready to order his men to fire upon the "fake" Batman, but when Az-Bats spares Bane's life, Gordon spares Az-Bats.
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These days, everybody involved says DC planned the whole thing from the start as a way of sticking it to readers clamouring for a DarkerAndEdgier Batman. True? Who knows?

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These days, everybody involved says DC For a long time, rumours competed over whether DC/O'Neil had planned the whole thing from the start as a way of sticking it to readers clamouring for a DarkerAndEdgier Batman. True? Who knows?
Batman, or had seriously intended to replace Bruce Wayne as Batman[[labelnote:*]]Comic Book Legends Revealed even debunked the rumour that it was a ploy to stop paying Bob Kane royalties - incidentally, even if it had been, that wouldn't work, as long as they published a ''book'' called "Batman", regardless of the character's identity[[/labelnote]]. Since then, many of the series' writers have been upfront about the fact that Az-Bats' rise and subsequent fall had indeed been planned from the start, at least in part as a TakeThatAudience towards the "Batman should be like Comicbook/ThePunisher!" MisaimedFandom.
18th Mar '16 10:21:27 AM moloch
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Around the time of ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', DC started publishing '''''Knightfall''''', a BatFamilyCrossover featured in ''Detective Comics'', ''Batman'', and other related DC titles in the early [[TheNineties 1990s]]. DC wanted to replace the aging Bruce Wayne as Batman, so it planned out a storyline wherein Batman would face each of his major foes one last time before bowing out. The prelude to the storyline took place from September 1992 to February 1993; this part focused on introducing several new players in Gotham City and showing the mental state of Bruce Wayne. The main storyline took place from April 1993 to August 1994, and follow-up storylines lasted from August 1994 to February 1995.

The storyline truly begins with the introduction of Jean-Paul Valley, a blond haired {{Ubermensch}} (code-named ComicBook/{{Azrael}}) trained to serve as a killing machine by The Sacred Order of Saint Dumas. Batman and Robin tried, with some success, to undo the [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashing]] he suffered at the hands of the Order (called "The System"). Jean-Paul stayed on the sidelines during the prelude, but popped in now and again to remind readers he existed.

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Around the time of ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'', DC started publishing '''''Knightfall''''', a BatFamilyCrossover featured in ''Detective Comics'', ''Batman'', and other related DC titles in the early [[TheNineties 1990s]]. DC wanted to replace Longtime ''Batman'' writer and editor Denny O'Neil, not a fan of the aging Bruce Wayne as Batman, so it new NinetiesAntiHero, planned out a storyline wherein Batman would face each of his major foes one last time before bowing out.being crippled and replaced with a DarkerAndEdgier Batman, before eventually returning to the cowl rejuvenated. The prelude to the storyline took place from September 1992 to February 1993; this part focused on introducing several new players in Gotham City and showing the mental state of Bruce Wayne. The main storyline took place from April 1993 to August 1994, and follow-up storylines lasted from August 1994 to February 1995.

The storyline truly begins with the introduction of Jean-Paul Valley, a blond haired {{Ubermensch}} (code-named ComicBook/{{Azrael}}) trained to serve as a killing machine by The the Sacred Order of Saint Dumas. Batman and Robin tried, with some success, to undo the [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashing]] he suffered at the hands of the Order (called "The System"). Jean-Paul stayed on the sidelines during the prelude, but popped in now and again to remind readers he existed.



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