History ComicBook / JLAAvengers

28th Mar '17 10:42:32 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Hawkeye considering the Justice League a "bunch of ComicBook/SquadronSupreme wanna-bes". Marvel's Squadron Supreme was originally created as a parody/homage/AlternateCompanyEquivalent of DC's Justice League. In fact, that particular scene was similar to the appearance scene of the Squadron Supreme at the begining of Kurt Busiek's run on the Avengers. "Five gets you ten they're mind-controlled!" is to point that Hawkeye is GenreSavvy and realizes the RecycledScript (the Squadron Supreme was indeed mind controlled back then). Of course, only the scene was similar, everything else that followed was different. As he pointed when he complained that the boomerang arrow would have worked with Whizzer; it ''did'' work with him.

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** Hawkeye considering the Justice League a "bunch of ComicBook/SquadronSupreme wanna-bes". Marvel's Squadron Supreme was originally created as a parody/homage/AlternateCompanyEquivalent of DC's Justice League. In fact, that particular scene was similar to the appearance scene of the Squadron Supreme at the begining of Kurt Busiek's run on the Avengers. "Five gets you ten they're mind-controlled!" is to point that Hawkeye is GenreSavvy and realizes the RecycledScript (the Squadron Supreme was indeed mind controlled back then). Of course, only the scene was similar, everything else that followed was different. As he pointed when he complained that the boomerang arrow would have worked with Whizzer; it ''did'' work with him.
19th Feb '17 6:41:54 AM AnotherGuy
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* ConflictBall: Yes, the reasons for the two teams fighting each other are incredibly contrived. Do you honestly care? Also the perfect example why this particular trope [[TropesAreTools isn't always bad]].

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* ConflictBall: Yes, the reasons for the two teams fighting each other are incredibly contrived. Do It's justified and invoked by Grandmaster, who instigates the ball (along with Metron) to distract Krona. (Do you honestly care? Also the perfect example why this particular trope [[TropesAreTools isn't always bad]].)
19th Feb '17 6:39:57 AM AnotherGuy
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** Batman definitely does ''not'' approve of [[ComicBook/ThePunisher murderous vigilantes]].
16th Feb '17 6:49:40 AM AnotherGuy
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* NoJustNo: Wonder Woman's reaction to Captain America and Superman beginning to snipe at each other ''yet again''. Wasp quickly backs her up, forcing Supes and Cap to focus on the situation at hand.

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* NoJustNo: NoJustNoReaction: Wonder Woman's reaction to Captain America and Superman beginning to snipe at each other ''yet again''. Wasp quickly backs her up, forcing Supes and Cap to focus on the situation at hand.
16th Feb '17 6:49:01 AM AnotherGuy
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* NoJustNo: Wonder Woman's reaction to Captain America and Superman beginning to snipe at each other ''yet again''. Wasp quickly backs her up, forcing Supes and Cap to focus on the situation at hand.
7th Feb '17 3:22:28 AM DLMaximum1
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** ComicBook/IronMan designs a complicated weapon that Lantern can then generate and use[[note]]Kyle Rayner's day job as a designer also helps, plus his constructs tend to be more complicated than his GL partners due to this[[/note]].

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** ComicBook/IronMan designs a complicated weapon that Lantern can then generate and use[[note]]Kyle Rayner's day job as a designer an artist also helps, plus his constructs tend to be more complicated than his GL partners due to this[[/note]].



* ButtMonkey: Poor Wally West really gets the short end of the stick in this one. On his first visit to the Marvel Universe he discovers that he has lost his powers, as there is no Speed Force there. He is summarily beaten by an angry mob mistaking him for one of ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s Acolytes. He then gets owned by Iron Man. And then by Quicksilver (much to the latter's delight). Then he is completely AWOL in the big brawl at the climax (save a one-panel cameo as Dark Flash) and shows up at the very end, having ''just missed'' a chance to see Barry.

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* ButtMonkey: Poor Wally West really gets the short end of the stick in this one. On his first visit to the Marvel Universe Universe, he discovers that he has lost his powers, as there is no Speed Force there. He is summarily beaten by an angry mob mistaking him for one of ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s Acolytes. He then gets owned by Iron Man. And then by Quicksilver (much to the latter's delight). Then he is completely AWOL in the big brawl at the climax (save a one-panel cameo as Dark Flash) and shows up at the very end, having ''just missed'' a chance to see Barry.



** Hercules, due to a misunderstanding gets beaten up by Wonder Woman. Later he's nearly killed by Screaming Mimi's SonicScream, only to be rescued by Black Canary...[[{{Irony}} another sonic scream user]].
* CatFight: In the background of one panel heroic Marvel catgirl Tigra is wrestling with villainous DC catgirl Cheetah.

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** Hercules, due to a misunderstanding gets beaten up by Wonder Woman. Later he's nearly killed by Screaming Mimi's SonicScream, only to be rescued by Black Canary... [[{{Irony}} another sonic scream user]].
* CatFight: In the background of one panel panel, heroic Marvel catgirl Tigra is wrestling with villainous DC catgirl Cheetah.



* TheChessmaster: Metron, who conspires with Grandmaster
* CombatBreakdown: In the final battle, the Martian Manhunter establishes a telepathic link that allows Captain America to command the entire battlefield at once. Attack orders and enemy weaknesses are distributed in seconds, which allows the heroes to cut through Krona's defenses with a brutal efficiency. That all falls apart when the link is severed after Manhunter's swapped out thanks to a temporal shift, leaving the heroes to fend for themselves.

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* TheChessmaster: Metron, who conspires with Grandmaster
Grandmaster.
* CombatBreakdown: In the final battle, the Martian Manhunter establishes a telepathic link that allows Captain America to command the entire battlefield at once. Attack orders and enemy weaknesses are distributed in seconds, which allows the heroes to cut through Krona's defenses with a brutal efficiency. That all falls apart when the link is severed after Manhunter's Manhunter is swapped out thanks to a temporal shift, leaving the heroes to fend for themselves.



* CrapsackWorld: Although it's played for laughs, the Marvel!Earth really does come off as this when compared to the DC!Earth, judging by the differing treatments that the superheroes receive. InUniverse, the Avengers even speculate that DC!Earth may be a CrapsaccharineWorld, where the "shiny gloss" conceals super-powered tyranny or some such thing.

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* CrapsackWorld: Although it's played for laughs, the Marvel!Earth really does come off as this when compared to the DC!Earth, judging by the differing treatments that the superheroes receive. InUniverse, the Avengers even speculate that DC!Earth may be a CrapsaccharineWorld, where the "shiny gloss" conceals super-powered tyranny or some such thing.



* DeusExMachina: ComicBook/ThePhantomStranger shows up at a point where both groups are out of ideas and takes them where they need to go then vanishes. In other words, his usual schtick.

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* DeusExMachina: ComicBook/ThePhantomStranger shows up at a point where both groups are out of ideas and takes them where they need to go then vanishes. In other words, his usual schtick.shtick.



* HoldTheLine: The entire final battle is just to get Supes (armed with Cap's shield) to Krona - everyone else's job is to clear the way, leading to many such moments, including Wonder Woman, who gets some help from her Mom and She-Hulk (see the Heartwarming page for details).

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* HoldTheLine: The entire final battle is just to get Supes (armed with Cap's shield) to Krona - everyone else's job is to clear the way, leading to many such moments, including Wonder Woman, who gets some help from her Mom Hippolyta and She-Hulk (see the Heartwarming page for details).



** A painting of the JLA and Avengers' first meeting is modelled after the cover to the first JLA-JSA crossover.

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** A painting of the JLA and Avengers' first meeting is modelled modeled after the cover to the first JLA-JSA crossover.



* OffModel: Considering how the Scarlet Witch is artist George Perez's [[AuthorAppeal favourite character]], it's curious how he can't seem to draw her consistently at all. Every closeup of Wanda in this story looks like a completely different person. That's because she was trying to use far more Chaos Magic than she was used to having access to, and the effort was making her sick (her skin even gets pale to the point of grey at one point).

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* OffModel: Considering how the Scarlet Witch is artist George Perez's [[AuthorAppeal favourite favorite character]], it's curious how he can't seem to draw her consistently at all. Every closeup of Wanda in this story looks like a completely different person. That's because she was trying to use far more Chaos Magic than she was used to having access to, and the effort was making her sick (her skin even gets pale to the point of grey at one point).



** After almost being defeated by Radioactive Man and Solarr Superman is restored by the Vision using his last stores of solar energy. Two panels later, Superman is at Krona's last line of defence, and the two villains are piled on the Grim Reaper, who Superman was fighting before Radioactive Man and Solarr attacked.

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** After almost being defeated by Radioactive Man and Solarr Superman is restored by the Vision using his last stores of solar energy. Two panels later, Superman is at Krona's last line of defence, defense, and the two villains are piled on the Grim Reaper, who Superman was fighting before Radioactive Man and Solarr attacked.



* PowerCreepPowerSeep: To fix the imbalance between the Justice League and the generally less powerful Avengers, the story plays on the idea that some characters have different power levels depending on which universe they're in. So in the Franchise/DCUniverse, the higher levels of "chaos magic" make second-tier Avenger ComicBook/ScarletWitch powerful enough to take down the whole Justice League, while in the MarvelUniverse, the lack of a speed force makes the Flash nothing more than an ordinary human (Steel enables him to store the Speed Force, however after some time in the Marvel Universe, Quicksilver is able to outrun him).

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* PowerCreepPowerSeep: To fix the imbalance between the Justice League and the generally less powerful Avengers, the story plays on the idea that some characters have different power levels depending on which universe they're in. So in the Franchise/DCUniverse, the higher levels of "chaos magic" make second-tier Avenger ComicBook/ScarletWitch powerful enough to take down the whole Justice League, while in the MarvelUniverse, the lack of a speed force Speed Force makes the Flash nothing more than an ordinary human (Steel creates a device that enables him to store the Speed Force, Force; however after some time in the Marvel Universe, Quicksilver is able to outrun him).
31st Jan '17 4:57:47 PM VenomLancerHae
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* [[VillainTeamUp Super Villain Team-Up]]: In #3 a group of DC villains enthralled by Krona attack the Vision and Aquaman in Metropolis, but are beaten by the other heroes. In #4 Krona summons up many of the villains both teams have faced to defend his fortress, the fight with them taking up most of the issue.



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* {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s: The fact that the Marvel Universe citizens are these while the DCU citizens are very much ''not'', gets played for laughs. Praise of the DC heroes in the news and overt friendliness and respect from the curious DCU civilians come as a big shock to the Avengers. Quicksilver is pissed off at the fact that TheFlash has an entire museum dedicated to him, while Quicksilver has been hounded by anti-mutant prejudice all his life, and Cap (being NotHimself at the time) even says the DC heroes must be tyrants who force the human race to worship them. Conversely, when Superman sees a broken and vandalized Hank Pym statue, he gets angry because the Marvel Universe's citizens have no respect for their heroes, which to him must mean that they aren't doing enough.

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* {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s: UngratefulBastard: The fact that the Marvel Universe citizens are these while the DCU citizens are very much ''not'', gets played for laughs. Praise of the DC heroes in the news and overt friendliness and respect from the curious DCU civilians come as a big shock to the Avengers. Quicksilver is pissed off at the fact that TheFlash has an entire museum dedicated to him, while Quicksilver has been hounded by anti-mutant prejudice all his life, and Cap (being NotHimself at the time) even says the DC heroes must be tyrants who force the human race to worship them. Conversely, when Superman sees a broken and vandalized Hank Pym statue, he gets angry because the Marvel Universe's citizens have no respect for their heroes, which to him must mean that they aren't doing enough.


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* VillainTeamUp: In #3 a group of DC villains enthralled by Krona attack the Vision and Aquaman in Metropolis, but are beaten by the other heroes. In #4 Krona summons up many of the villains both teams have faced to defend his fortress, the fight with them taking up most of the issue.
26th Jan '17 10:01:40 AM Tec15
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* PinballProtagonist: Wonder Woman could be removed from the story and have almost no impact on the plot.
25th Jan '17 9:17:51 PM AndyLA
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--->'''Black Panther:''' Good day, Batman. I was wondering if you'd need a hand?\\

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--->'''Black Panther:''' Good day, Batman. I was wondering if you'd need a Could you perhaps use an extra hand?\\



'''Batman:''' If you people have nothing better to do...\\
(''bad guy smackdown ensues'')

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'''Batman:''' If you people have you've got nothing better to do...\\
(''bad (''off-scene bad guy smackdown ensues'')
20th Jan '17 10:07:11 PM firejewel
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* SuperVillainTeamUp: In #3 a group of DC villains enthralled by Krona attack the Vision and Aquaman in Metropolis, but are beaten by the other heroes. In #4 Krona summons up many of the villains both teams have faced to defend his fortress, the fight with them taking up most of the issue.

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* SuperVillainTeamUp: [[VillainTeamUp Super Villain Team-Up]]: In #3 a group of DC villains enthralled by Krona attack the Vision and Aquaman in Metropolis, but are beaten by the other heroes. In #4 Krona summons up many of the villains both teams have faced to defend his fortress, the fight with them taking up most of the issue.
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