History ComicBook / CerebusTheAardvark

29th Aug '16 9:46:19 PM Willbyr
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* EndingFatigue: [[invoked]] Some readers may have been feeling this near the end, but the person suffering most was actually Gerhard. Basically the last person that Dave hadn't driven away from the comic with his crazy, ReclusiveArtist behaviour (although by this point he and Dave never spoke outside work), he revealed in an [[http://classic.tcj.com/alternative/the-craft-behind-cerebus-an-interview-with-gerhard-part-three-of-three/3/ interview]] with ''The Comics Journal'' that even he was lost as a reader and became very frustrated with the drudgery of working on a book "even I couldn't read anymore." It was to the point that he motivated himself to finish ''The Last Day'' with the mantra [[BrokenRecord "done by Christmas, done by Christmas..."]], because Dave happened to mention at one point that the book would be "done by Christmas" if a certain amount of pages were finished per day. Gerhard also admitted in the same interview that after ''Cerebus'' was finished, he was so burnt out by the experience he didn't feel like drawing for nearly ''six years'' afterwards.



* PostScriptSeason: All lingering plot threads and character arcs were pretty much resolved by the end of ''Minds'', but the series ran for another 3 arcs/100 issues... some people believe he did this solely because he'd earlier stated that the series would run for a total of 300 issues. Sim himself stated in an interview with ''The Comics Journal'', "Cerebus #1-200 [is] the completion of the story. The yin and yang."
** To illustrate how severe the EndingFatigue got by the end: Gerhard, basically the last person that Dave hadn't driven away from the comic with his crazy, ReclusiveArtist behaviour (although by this point Dave and Gerhard never spoke outside work), was [[http://classic.tcj.com/alternative/the-craft-behind-cerebus-an-interview-with-gerhard-part-three-of-three/3/ interviewed]] by ''The Comics Journal'' and admitted that even he was lost as a reader and became very frustrated with the drudgery of working on a book "even I couldn't read anymore", to the point that he motivated himself to finish ''The Last Day'' with the mantra [[BrokenRecord "done by Christmas, done by Christmas..."]], because Dave happened to mention at one point that the book would be "done by Christmas" if a certain amount of pages were finished per day. Gerhard also admits in the same interview that after ''Cerebus'' was finished, he was so burnt out by the experience he didn't feel like drawing for nearly six years afterwards.

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* PostScriptSeason: All lingering plot threads and character arcs were pretty much resolved by the end of ''Minds'', but the series ran for another 3 arcs/100 issues... some people believe he did this solely because he'd earlier stated that the series would run for a total of 300 issues. Sim himself stated in an interview with ''The Comics Journal'', "Cerebus Journal'':
-->Cerebus
#1-200 [is] the completion of the story. The yin and yang."
** To illustrate how severe the EndingFatigue got by the end: Gerhard, basically the last person that Dave hadn't driven away from the comic with his crazy, ReclusiveArtist behaviour (although by this point Dave and Gerhard never spoke outside work), was [[http://classic.tcj.com/alternative/the-craft-behind-cerebus-an-interview-with-gerhard-part-three-of-three/3/ interviewed]] by ''The Comics Journal'' and admitted that even he was lost as a reader and became very frustrated with the drudgery of working on a book "even I couldn't read anymore",
The ultra-female reading. The ultra-male reading. I'm attaching an allegory to the point that he motivated himself to finish ''The Last Day'' with Big Bang. You make up your mind which one's the mantra [[BrokenRecord "done by Christmas, done by Christmas..."]], because Dave happened to mention at one point that pit and which one's the book would be "done by Christmas" if a certain amount top of pages were finished per day. Gerhard also admits in the same interview that after ''Cerebus'' was finished, he was so burnt out by the experience he didn't feel like drawing for nearly six years afterwards.mountain.
29th Aug '16 9:18:23 PM Willbyr
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* WouldHitAGirl: Played straight in multiple ways in the comic.

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* WouldHitAGirl: Played straight in multiple ways throughout the comic. [[AvertedTrope However]], during the "living with Jaka" scenarios in ''Minds'', when Cerebus is shown right away that [[DomesticAbuse he'd be physically abusive to Jaka]], he's horrified and immediately has "Dave" alter things so it's not in the comic.cards...not that that helps in the long run.
29th Aug '16 8:53:23 PM PaulA
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* LongRunner: Considering it was an independent, creator-owned comic, it sure lasted a good deal longer than you'd think.
20th Jul '16 5:54:42 AM Willbyr
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** Cerebus' "Spore" persona is a walking parody of ComicBook/{{Spawn}}, costume and all.
19th Jul '16 9:02:20 PM Willbyr
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** Cerebus and New Joanne. Her age isn't revealed but when the reader first sees her, but she appears to be somewhere in her 20s, whereas Cerebus has lived a long, long time and looks it.

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** Cerebus and New Joanne. "New Joanne." Her age isn't revealed but when the reader first sees her, but she appears to be somewhere in her 20s, whereas Cerebus has lived a long, long time and looks it.
19th Jul '16 7:42:09 PM Bicorn
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* OrphanedPunchline: Invoked by Cerebus in ''Latter Days'' when he recounts the most disgusting thing he ever said and spares his audience everything but the punchline.

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* OrphanedPunchline: Invoked by Cerebus in ''Latter Days'' when he recounts the most disgusting thing he ever said and spares his audience everything but the punchline.[[note]]"...the worst part was trying to get the diaper back on after!"[[/note]]
15th Jul '16 1:14:51 PM Willbyr
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** ''Jaka's Story'' fills in some important parts of her childhood and adolescence. However, as these parts are from Oscar's read about her based on anecdotes from Rick, [[[[UnreliableNarrator the reader doesn't know what really happened and what is Oscar filling in the gaps]] with his...[[PurpleProse florid writing]].



* BestHerToBedHer: Yet another layer of the Film/RedSonja parody. Red Sophia's father hires Cerebus to torture the man who besmirched her honor. During the journey her logorrhea is too much, they fight, he wins, she pledges service. (He refused to demand sexual favors from her at that point, instead trying to teach her a lesson by using her as a pack mule. She didn't learn; Sophia is simply TooKinkyToTorture.) The eventual torture is forcing the blackguard (who saw her naked) to marry Sophia. Years later she marries Cerebus.

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* BestHerToBedHer: Yet another layer of the Film/RedSonja parody. Red Sophia's father hires Cerebus to torture the man who besmirched her honor. During the journey her logorrhea is too much, they fight, he wins, she pledges service. (He refused to demand sexual favors from her at that point, instead trying to teach her a lesson by using her as a pack mule. She didn't learn; Sophia is simply TooKinkyToTorture.) The eventual torture is forcing the blackguard (who saw her naked) to marry Sophia. Years However, years later she marries Cerebus.ends up married to Cerebus (she much more happy about the prospect than he, given the circumstances).



--->(''Sophia and Cerebus are drinking and talking; she'd tried to put the moves on Cerebus earlier, to no avail'')\\

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--->(''Sophia --->*''Sophia and Cerebus are drinking and talking; she'd tried to put the moves on Cerebus earlier, to no avail'')\\avail''*\\



* DeathSeeker: In ''Latter Days'', [[spoiler:Cerebus eventually decides to stop aimlessly wandering around waiting to die and let the Cirinists do the job]].

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* DeathSeeker: In ''Latter Days'', [[spoiler:Cerebus eventually decides to stop aimlessly wandering around waiting to die and let the Cirinists do the job]]. [[SubvertedTrope However]], [[spoiler:the Wise Fellows get to him before the Cirinists do]].



* FatalFlaw: Cerebus' fixation on Jaka, combined with his simple-minded, self-absorbed outlook on life. In his mind, they are meant to be together simply because he loves her. When "Dave" shows Cerebus in ''Minds'' that Jaka doesn't love him romantically anymore, and that Cerebus doesn't understand Jaka at all, he can't handle it and tries to manipulate "Dave" into ''making'' Jaka love him "that way". "Dave" responds by showing him multiple possible futures where the two are in a relationship, all of which are horribly flawed no matter how Cerebus tries to get "Dave" to fix him so they will work, due to Cerebus' selfishness, controlling ways, and propensity for violence, which are fundamentally incompatible with Jaka's need for freedom and artistic expression. Their time together in ''Going Home'' and ''Form and Void'' is marked by their initial happiness and passion slowly but steadily crumbling as their personalities and what each wants for the future clash more and more, and eventually explosively crashing. At the end of ''Latter Days'', Cerebus falls for the reporter who looks a lot like Jaka, [[spoiler:and this sows the seeds for his eventual ruin and demise]].

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* FatalFlaw: Cerebus' fixation on Jaka, combined with his simple-minded, self-absorbed outlook on life. In his mind, they are meant to be together simply because he loves her. When "Dave" shows Cerebus in ''Minds'' that Jaka doesn't love him romantically anymore, and that Cerebus doesn't understand Jaka at all, he can't handle it and tries to manipulate "Dave" into ''making'' Jaka love him "that way". "Dave" responds by showing him multiple possible futures where the two are in a relationship, all of which are horribly flawed no matter how Cerebus tries to get "Dave" to fix him so they will work, due to Cerebus' inherent selfishness, controlling ways, and propensity for violence, which are fundamentally incompatible with Jaka's need for freedom and artistic expression. Their time together in ''Going Home'' and ''Form and Void'' is marked by their initial happiness and passion slowly but steadily crumbling as their personalities and what each wants for the future clash more and more, and eventually explosively crashing. At the end of ''Latter Days'', Cerebus falls for the reporter who looks a lot like Jaka, [[spoiler:and this sows the seeds for his eventual ruin and demise]].



* GoIntoTheLight: Subverted. [[spoiler:Cerebus dies, and is eventually dragged kicking and screaming into the Light. This, plus Rick not being in the light with all the other characters, pretty much indicates that Cerebus went to Hell given that by the comic's end, the light was associated with the YHWH.]] This was all fine and good until Sim suddenly decided he wanted an even more BrokenBase than he already had. In the author annotations to the final trade paperback, [[spoiler:Sim mentions the possibility that Cerebus actually went to Heaven and was just panicking needlessly at the last second.]]

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* GoIntoTheLight: Subverted. [[spoiler:Cerebus dies, and is eventually dragged kicking and screaming into the Light. This, plus Rick not being in the light with all the other characters, pretty much indicates that Cerebus went to Hell given that by the comic's end, the light was associated with the YHWH.]] This was all fine and good until Sim suddenly decided he wanted an even more BrokenBase than he already had. In the author annotations to the final trade paperback, [[spoiler:Sim mentions the possibility that Cerebus actually went to Heaven and was just panicking needlessly at the last second.]]second]].



** The YHWH, in a metaphysical sense. Sim believes it tries to cover all genders at once, and refers to it as "he/she/it", as opposed to God who is inherently masculine. Interestingly, if you interpret what happens in the final issue as [[spoiler:"Cerebus goes to hell"]], then the apparitions of Bear, Jaka, and Ham Ernestway that appear to Cerebus in the light take on a dual meaning - they're not only the three people Cerebus is most eager to be with, [[spoiler:they represent the three aspects of the YHWH - masculine Bear, feminine Jaka, and neutered Ham ("unmanned" by both Mary's hints about his sexual preferences and his suicide)]], and are thus the perfect lure to trap Cerebus.

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** The YHWH, in a metaphysical sense. Sim believes it tries to cover all genders at once, and refers to it as "he/she/it", as opposed to God who is inherently masculine. Interestingly, if you interpret what happens in the final issue as [[spoiler:"Cerebus goes to hell"]], then the apparitions of Bear, Jaka, and Ham Ernestway that appear to Cerebus in the light take on a dual meaning - they're meaning--they're not only the three people Cerebus is most eager to be with, [[spoiler:they represent the three aspects of the YHWH - masculine Bear, feminine Jaka, and neutered Ham ("unmanned" by both Mary's hints about his sexual preferences and his suicide)]], and are thus the perfect lure to trap Cerebus.



* LionsAndTigersAndHumansOhMy [=/=] SeldomSeenSpecies: Aardvarks are not at all common, but have appeared enough times throughout Estarcion's history that it's not a cause for public wonder. [[spoiler:That ''three'' aardvarks are running around at one time, on the other hand, is exceedingly rare.]]

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* LionsAndTigersAndHumansOhMy [=/=] SeldomSeenSpecies: LionsAndTigersAndHumansOhMy: Aardvarks [[SeldomSeenSpecies are not at all common, common]], but have appeared enough times throughout Estarcion's history that it's not a cause for public wonder. [[spoiler:That ''three'' aardvarks are running around at one time, on the other hand, is exceedingly rare.]]



* MadScientist: Necross (although he's technically a mad wizard, but still...)

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* MadScientist: Necross (although he's technically (technically a mad wizard, but still...)



* TheMagicGoesAway: All of the weird esoterics and mysticism that is prevalent through ''Minds'' slowly but surely fades away to be replaced by the more directly religious themes.

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* TheMagicGoesAway: All of the weird esoterics and mysticism that is prevalent through ''Minds'' slowly but surely fades away to be replaced by the more directly religious themes. It ''really'' goes away when [[spoiler:Cerebus' magnifier is destroyed]].



-->'''Jaka''' (''after drinking what she thinks is water''): Yuck! It looks like water but it tastes like...watery beer!\\

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-->'''Jaka''' (''after -->'''Jaka''': *''after drinking what she thinks is water''): water''* Yuck! It looks like water but it tastes like...watery beer!\\



* MaleGaze: Those parts of ''Jaka's Story'' told from Pud Withers' point of view.

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* MaleGaze: Those parts of ''Jaka's Story'' told from Pud Withers' point of view.view, especially in the evenings when Jaka's sitting around in her dancing costumes.



** Cerebus and New Joanne. Her age isn't revealed but when the reader first sees her, she appears to be somewhere in her 20s, whereas Cerebus has lived a long, long time and looks it.

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** Cerebus and New Joanne. Her age isn't revealed but when the reader first sees her, but she appears to be somewhere in her 20s, whereas Cerebus has lived a long, long time and looks it.



** This pops up twice in ''Jaka's Story''. In the early issues, it's strongly implied that Jaka was molested as a young child. Sim later all but confirmed this, hinting (but later Jossing) [[spoiler:Julius]] as the culprit. Near the end, Pud's inner narration of his interactions with Jaka begins to turn very dark, as he starts contemplating raping her. [[spoiler:However, when he finally works up the nerve to attempt this, it's interrupted by a customer]].
* ReallyDeadMontage: An entire page is devoted to one after [[spoiler:Cerebus breaks his neck and his body finishes falling to the floor]].

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** This pops up twice in ''Jaka's Story''. In the early issues, it's strongly implied that Jaka was molested as a young child. Sim later all but confirmed this, hinting (but later Jossing) [[spoiler:Julius]] as the culprit. Near the end, Pud's inner narration of his interactions with Jaka begins to turn very dark, as he starts contemplating raping her. [[spoiler:However, when he finally works up the nerve to attempt this, [[SubvertedTrope it's interrupted by a customer]].
customer]].]]
* ReallyDeadMontage: An entire page is devoted to one after [[spoiler:Cerebus breaks his neck and his body finishes falling to the floor]].floor, with the flashback panels interspersed with the life fading from Cerebus' eyes]].
15th Jul '16 9:34:27 AM Willbyr
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* AccidentallyBrokeTheMacGuffin: Cerebus unwittingly ruined his original destiny by [[spoiler:selling his helmet]]. If he'd had [[spoiler:the full set of helmet/medallions/sword when he came upon the Pigts' aardvark idol, it would've come to live as a mecha-like monstrosity and given him the power to conquer the world]]. Whoops.



* DismantledMacGuffin: [[spoiler:Cerebus' helmet, medallions, and sword]] from the first issue. [[spoiler:Crafted by the first of his aardvark ancestors, they would have given Cerebus the power to conquer the world if he'd had them when he found the Pigt idol...but he sold the helmet a few issues prior.]]



* ForWantOfANail: "Dave" reveals to Cerebus in ''Minds'' that [[spoiler:the entire series, except for the first issue or so, has been a chaotic, fractured version of what should have been Cerebus' real destiny--bring the Pigt altar to life with the aardvark artifacts and lead the Pigts to conquer the world--because he didn't have all three of them at the time]].

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* ForWantOfANail: "Dave" reveals to Cerebus in ''Minds'' that [[spoiler:the entire series, except for the first issue or so, has been a chaotic, fractured version of what should have been Cerebus' real destiny--bring the Pigt altar to life with the aardvark artifacts (his helmet, medallions, and sword) and lead the Pigts to conquer the world--because he didn't have all three of them at the time]].
26th Jun '16 8:12:41 PM thatother1dude
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* [[PutOnABusToHell Put in a Carriage to Palnu]]: At the end of ''Form and Void'', in the wake of Jaka and Cerebus' relationship finally collapsing, the Cirinists who have been pursuing them since they fled the Ernestways show up, revealing [[spoiler:that they found where Cerebus and Jaka had camped, and thus found the gun they took with them; under Cirinist law it's a capital offense for unmarried couples to possess a gun]]. Jaka is carted away in tears and is never seen in the flesh again, leaving Cerebus alone to vent his grief and rage. Sim never revealed Jaka's final fate, although he hinted at least once that [[spoiler:due to her being a public celebrity and Palnu royalty, and with her and Cerebus now permanently separated and thus not an issue to the Cirinists anymore, she was probably placed under permanent house arrest rather than executed]].

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* [[PutOnABusToHell Put in a Carriage to Palnu]]: PutOnABusToHell: At the end of ''Form and Void'', in the wake of Jaka and Cerebus' relationship finally collapsing, the Cirinists who have been pursuing them since they fled the Ernestways show up, revealing [[spoiler:that they found where Cerebus and Jaka had camped, and thus found the gun they took with them; under Cirinist law it's a capital offense for unmarried couples to possess a gun]]. Jaka is carted away in tears and is never seen in the flesh again, leaving Cerebus alone to vent his grief and rage. Sim never revealed Jaka's final fate, although he hinted at least once that [[spoiler:due to her being a public celebrity and Palnu royalty, and with her and Cerebus now permanently separated and thus not an issue to the Cirinists anymore, she was probably placed under permanent house arrest rather than executed]].
22nd May '16 7:59:07 PM Willbyr
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* WouldHurtAChild: The comic doesn't pull punches on this topic. There's Cerebus being stabbed by a bully when he was young, the baby toss in ''Church and State'', his killing the child mercenary, a Cirinist killing a girl who saw [[spoiler:Cerebus' failed revolution in ''Flight'']] (not depicted but the Cirinist is ready to strike the blow), and the baby fling in ''Latter Days''.

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* WouldHurtAChild: The comic doesn't pull punches on this topic. There's topic.
** As a kid,
Cerebus being is stabbed in the belly by a bully when he was young, the baby toss in bully.
** In
''Church and State'', State I'', as one of his "lessons" (namely, that you can get what you want and still not be very happy), Pope Cerebus blesses a baby whose mother had repeatedly asked him to, and then hurls the baby away like a football.
** Cerebus's talk about
killing the child mercenary, a Cirinist killing a girl who saw mercenary during the "Mothers and Daughters" arc.
** After
[[spoiler:Cerebus' failed revolution revolution]] in ''Flight'']] (not depicted ''Flight'', the Cirinists purge everyone who saw it happen; one of these unfortunates is a young girl. We don't actually see her death, but the last the reader is shown is the Cirinist is ready drawing back to strike the blow), and the baby fling blow.
** Hinted at
in ''Latter Days''.Days'', when Cerebus uses the long arm of a ComicBook/{{Spawn}}-like costume (it makes sense in-story) as an atlatl to fling away the baby of a dad being really annoying with cutesy-talk. The dad runs after the child, but it's not revealed if he makes it in time.
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