History ComicBook / AvengersForever

23rd Aug '16 11:33:32 PM Anicomicgeek
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* {{Retcon}}: A lot of this story was basically damage control for ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'', revealing that it was Immortus and not Kang who was the main villain, that ComicBook/IronMan was only under Immortus's control since the events of ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' (and that Iron Man leading half of the Avengers to kill the Kree Supreme Intelligence was an attempt to keep the Avengers out of intergalactic affairs that [[NiceJobFixingItVillain backfired]]) and not since the beginning, the "Mantis" who worked with "Kang" and many other of his minions were Space Phantoms, and that Kang didn't cause [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]]'s breakdowns.

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* {{Retcon}}: A lot of this story was basically damage control for ''ComicBook/TheCrossing'', revealing that it was Immortus and not Kang who was the main villain, that ComicBook/IronMan was only under Immortus's control since the events of ''ComicBook/OperationGalacticStorm'' (and that Iron Man leading half of the Avengers to kill the Kree Supreme Intelligence was an attempt to keep the Avengers out of intergalactic affairs that [[NiceJobFixingItVillain backfired]]) and not since the beginning, Avengers first fought Kang, the "Mantis" who worked with "Kang" and many other of his minions were Space Phantoms, and that Kang didn't cause [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]]'s breakdowns.
8th Mar '16 1:45:10 AM rotheryAM
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* BroadStrokes: Despite all the ContinuityPorn on display, there are a few tidbits that can't be spelled out directly. A panel showing Doctor Octopus escaping prison with Lex Luthor in tow from the first Superman/Spider-Man crossover is mentioned in the annotations as being Doc Ock and a "distinguished gentleman."


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* CallBack: In [[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Future Imperfect]], [[spoiler:a much older version of Rick Jones]] maintains a memorial room of the many heroes who died over the years (most, presumably, murdered by the Maestro, but that's neither here nor there). Here, a less aged version of the same character wears an outfit made up from parts of other heroes.


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* NoodleIncident: Excatly how does [[spoiler:future Rick Jones]] end up losing an arm and wearing an outfit that includes Ghost Rider's jacket, Falcon's boots, [[spoiler:Superman's cape]], and [[spoiler:Batman's utility belt]]? The world may never know.
19th Feb '16 2:29:08 AM Malitia
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* AbortedArc: Both Songbird and Genis-Vell are from the near future, where they are (unlike in the present day) members of the Avengers. Since Kurt Busiek was writing the main ''[[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' book at the time, it seemed that he would eventually introduce Songbird and Genis into the Avengers roster there, with the present day catching up with their future. But this never happened, and none of the later Avengers writers have chosen to follow up on Busiek's {{foreshadowing}} either. Until '''2015''' and Al Ewing (who is very big on ContinuityPorn), when 616-Songbird finally became part of the ''Comicbook/{{New Avengers|2015}}'', that lineup interestingly also included 616-Genis-Vell's half-brother [[Comicbook/YoungAvengers Hulkling]].

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* AbortedArc: Both Songbird and Genis-Vell are from the near future, where they are (unlike in the present day) members of the Avengers. Since Kurt Busiek was writing the main ''[[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]]'' book at the time, it seemed that he would eventually introduce Songbird and Genis into the Avengers roster there, with the present day catching up with their future. But this never happened, and none of the later Avengers writers have chosen to follow up on Busiek's {{foreshadowing}} either. Until '''2015''' and Al Ewing Creator/AlEwing (who is very big on ContinuityPorn), when 616-Songbird finally became part of the ''Comicbook/{{New Avengers|2015}}'', that lineup interestingly also included 616-Genis-Vell's half-brother [[Comicbook/YoungAvengers Hulkling]].
6th Feb '16 8:26:20 AM DannWoolf
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* ThrowingOffTheDisability: The Hulk had left Rick Jones crippled, and begins the story that way. He managed to heal himself with the "Destiny Force".

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* ThrowingOffTheDisability: The Hulk had left Rick Jones crippled, and begins the story that way. He managed to heal himself with the "Destiny Force".Destiny Force.
6th Feb '16 8:25:44 AM DannWoolf
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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Immortus had to made the Avengers return to Earth immediately after "Operation: Galactic Storm", so he influenced the Avengers with xenophobia, so that they refused to stay among alien races. He miscalculated: this xenophobia led them to execute the Supreme Intelligence for destroying its own empire (long story). And worse: this would began actions that laid the first steps of Avengers Stellar Corps, the antecedent of the First Terran Empire... the very timeline that Immortus was instructed to prevent!

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: Immortus had to made make the Avengers return to Earth immediately after "Operation: Galactic Storm", so he influenced the Avengers with xenophobia, so that they refused to stay among alien races. He miscalculated: this xenophobia led them to execute the Supreme Intelligence for destroying its own empire (long story). And worse: this would began actions that laid the first steps of Avengers Stellar Corps, the antecedent of the First Terran Empire... the very timeline that Immortus was instructed to prevent!
6th Feb '16 8:25:03 AM DannWoolf
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* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: With the Forever Crystal, Captain America could have changed history. And not simply creating an alternate timeline, the Crystal allows to actually change history. He could have erased Nazi Germany from history and prevented World War II (as well as resurrecting Rick Jones, Bucky and erasing the Secret Empire from U.S. history), he was tempted by the idea, but realized that RealityWarpingIsNotAToy.

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* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: With the Forever Crystal, Captain America could have changed history. And not simply creating an alternate timeline, the Crystal allows him to actually change history. He could have erased Nazi Germany from history and prevented World War II (as well as resurrecting Rick Jones, Bucky and erasing the Secret Empire from U.S. history), he was tempted by the idea, but realized that RealityWarpingIsNotAToy.
6th Feb '16 8:24:26 AM DannWoolf
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* ButYouWereThereAndYouAndYou: When Songbird return to the future, with a vague memory of the Destiny War... she was with the Wasp and Jack of Hearths, and told the Wasp that "you were there".

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* ButYouWereThereAndYouAndYou: When Songbird return returns to the future, with a vague memory of the Destiny War... she was with the Wasp and Jack of Hearths, and told the Wasp that "you were there".
6th Feb '16 8:22:22 AM DannWoolf
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The Avengers used a time machine of Kang to escape into the timestream, where Immortus would not locate Rick. Not knowing what is Immortus up to, or why does he want to kill Jones, the Avengers explored 3 points of time, to no avail. Then, they visited Limbo, Immortus' stronghold, and took a Space Phantom captive. The problem is basically this: with the "Destiny Force", humanity would become a conquering empire. Immortus spent years [[TheChessmaster manipulating human development]] to keep humanity confined to planet Earth, as to avoid the Time Keepers from destroying it, but Rick Jones' death was non-negotiable. Immortus then captured the Avengers and sent them to a trial.

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The Avengers used a time machine of Kang to escape into the timestream, where Immortus would not locate Rick. Not knowing what is Immortus up to, or why does he want wants to kill Jones, the Avengers explored 3 points of time, to no avail. Then, they visited Limbo, Immortus' stronghold, and took a Space Phantom captive. The problem is basically this: with the "Destiny Force", humanity would become a conquering empire. Immortus spent years [[TheChessmaster manipulating human development]] to keep humanity confined to planet Earth, as to avoid the Time Keepers from destroying it, but Rick Jones' death was non-negotiable. Immortus then captured the Avengers and sent them to a trial.
6th Feb '16 8:22:00 AM DannWoolf
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Let's try to make it short. Rick Jones suffers a strange paralysis, and the Avengers sent him to the Supreme Intelligence of the Kree (who was captive at the Blue Area of the Moon), to see if he could heal him. Immortus tries to kill Rick Jones, but Kang intervenes in his behalf. Rick Jones, mastering once more the "Destiny Force", an all-powerful force he once wielded during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar, summons several Avengers from many points of time: Henry Pym and the Wasp (from the present), Yellowjacket (Henry Pym when had a mental disorder; yes, he summoned the same man from 2 time periods), Captain America (right after the Secret Empire storyline, demoralized by it and on the verge of giving up the super hero thing), Hawkeye (right after the Kree-Skrull War) & Songbird and Captain Marvel (from the future). The fight moves to Cronopolis, Kang's stronghold: Immortus destroyed it and turned it into the "Forever Crystal", which allows him to change timelines or destroy them at will.

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Let's try to make it short. Rick Jones suffers a strange paralysis, and the Avengers sent him to the Supreme Intelligence of the Kree (who was captive at the Blue Area of the Moon), to see if he could heal him. Immortus tries to kill Rick Jones, but Kang intervenes in his behalf. Rick Jones, mastering once more the "Destiny Force", an all-powerful force he once wielded during ComicBook/TheKreeSkrullWar, summons several Avengers from many points of time: Henry Pym and the Wasp (from the present), Yellowjacket (Henry Pym when he had a mental disorder; yes, he summoned the same man from 2 time periods), Captain America (right after the Secret Empire storyline, demoralized by it and on the verge of giving up the super hero thing), Hawkeye (right after the Kree-Skrull War) & Songbird and Captain Marvel (from the future). The fight moves to Cronopolis, Kang's stronghold: Immortus destroyed it and turned it into the "Forever Crystal", which allows him to change timelines or destroy them at will.
11th Jan '16 9:05:21 AM Prfnoff
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'''Avengers Forever''' is a twelve-issue comic book limited series of ComicBook/TheAvengers published from December 1998 to November 1999 by Marvel Comics. The series was written by Kurt Busiek and Roger Stern and drawn by Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino. It has a massively complex plot, with a battle between Kang (a ConquerorFromTheFuture) and Immortus (a GuardianOfTheMultiverse); actually Immortus is the future self of Kang.

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'''Avengers Forever''' ''Avengers Forever'' is a twelve-issue comic book limited series of ComicBook/TheAvengers ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' published from December 1998 to November 1999 by Marvel Comics. The series was written by Kurt Busiek Creator/KurtBusiek and Roger Stern and drawn by Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino. It has a massively complex plot, with a battle between Kang (a ConquerorFromTheFuture) and Immortus (a GuardianOfTheMultiverse); actually Immortus is the future self of Kang.
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