History CombatPragmatist / VideoGames

22nd Sep '17 5:54:38 AM Kalibre
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* In the first ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', HK-47 reveals that Revan used him to assassinate key figures that would have stood in his way, but his pragmatism went well beyond that of a former Jedi willing to use an assassin- the droid surmises that most of the Republic forces that were sent to fight the remainder of the Mandalorian fleet were composed of soldiers and Jedi whose loyalty to Revan was in question.

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* In the first ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', HK-47 reveals that Revan used him to assassinate key figures that would have stood in his way, but his pragmatism went well beyond that of a former Jedi willing to use an assassin- the droid surmises that most of the Republic forces that were sent to Malachor V to fight the remainder of the Mandalorian fleet fleet, were composed of soldiers and Jedi whose loyalty to Revan was in question.question. This made it exceptionally easy for Revan to [[spoiler:use a massively destructive super-weapon that annihilated most of the Mandalorian fleet and outright shocking the remaininder into surrender while eliminating his detractors in one blow.]] Still, as effective as the move was, Revan was still horrified with just ''how'' destructive it was.
22nd Sep '17 5:45:18 AM Kalibre
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* In the first ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', HK-47 reveals that Revan used him to assassinate key figures that would have stood in his way, but his pragmatism went well beyond that of a former Jedi willing to use an assassin- the droid surmises that most of the Republic forces that were sent to fight the remainder of the Mandalorian fleet were composed of soldiers and Jedi whose loyalty to Revan was in question.
** That same pragmatism extended to Revan's battle against the Republic, and his use of the Star-Forge; a Force-sensitive construction platform that could make anything he needed. With every use, it would pull Revan closer to the dark side- he unwittingly limited his use of it, however, and continued to rely on tactics that could preserve the Republic's military and economy, things that he'd need in order to [[spoiler:protect the Republic and confront the Sith threat he'd felt in the Unknown Regions. When his former ally and second-in-command Malak betrayed him and caused Revan's capture, however, the new leader of the Sith forces threw those tactics out the window. He would bomb the surfaces of planets and render them uninhabitable, demonstrating his ignorance of how important preserving such worlds would be.]]
15th Sep '17 9:43:32 AM Berrenta
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* In many {{RTS}} games, it is pretty much expected that players will fight dirty, and [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything such games are designed accordingly.]]

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* In many {{RTS}} games, it is pretty much expected that players will fight dirty, and [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything [[DevelopersForesight such games are designed accordingly.]]
4th Sep '17 12:54:12 PM HalcyonDayz
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*** Invaded by a hostile player? Equip an item to automatically SummonBiggrrFish to back you up. Then use a consumable item to make the level enemies hostile to the invader, [[XanatosGambit so either the NPCs kill the invader or the invader kills the NPCs]].

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*** Invaded by a hostile player? Equip an item to automatically SummonBiggrrFish to back you up. Then use a consumable item to make the level enemies hostile to the invader, [[XanatosGambit so either the NPCs [=NPCs=] kill the invader or the invader kills the NPCs]].[=NPCs=]]].



*** Host makes the level NPCs hostile to you? Aggro as many as you can, then [[HoistByHisOwnPetard lead them right to him!]]

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*** Host makes the level NPCs {{Non Player Character}}s hostile to you? Aggro as many as you can, then [[HoistByHisOwnPetard lead them right to him!]]



* One of the "Signature Hero" [=NPCs=] in ''VideoGame/RuneScape'' is known to fight like this, and it's the last one you'd expect-- ThePaladin Sir Owen was, in the past, nearly expelled from the White Knights of Falador for [[HonorBeforeReason dishonorably sniping an enemy commander from behind]]. The Temple Knights of Saradomin recruited him immediately afterward, because it ''did'' get the job done, and he's still willing to fight nasty if a situation calls for it.

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* One of the "Signature Hero" [=NPCs=] {{Non Player Character}}s in ''VideoGame/RuneScape'' is known to fight like this, and it's the last one you'd expect-- ThePaladin Sir Owen was, in the past, nearly expelled from the White Knights of Falador for [[HonorBeforeReason dishonorably sniping an enemy commander from behind]]. The Temple Knights of Saradomin recruited him immediately afterward, because it ''did'' get the job done, and he's still willing to fight nasty if a situation calls for it.
4th Aug '17 8:40:13 AM Hanz
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* A big part of Altair's fighting style in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'' is his willingness to be a ''brutal'' combatant. Included in his ''many'' nasty killing animations is punching a mook in the face to spin him around and then stabbing him in the lower back, through the hip, and ''[[{{Squick}} out his crotch]]''. Another involves breaking an opponent's leg by kicking out a knee, and another has him kick them in the crotch, and as they drop to their knees, stabbing them in the top of their head with his short blade.
** Let's not forget his gruesome hidden blade counterattacks, which are so [[{{Pun}} underhanded]] many ''players'' don't even realize they exist.
** This seems to be something passed down [[BadassFamily from generation to generation]]. Ezio of the Renaissance fights even dirtier than Altair, aided by new weapons of the time period and some new skills (lacking his ancestor's SuperDrowningSkills for one, allowing him to pull enemies into the water). He even learns to [[AHandfulForAnEye toss sand in enemies' eyes]].

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* The protagonists of the ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'' series tend to be brutally efficient combatants
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A big part of Altair's fighting style in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'' is his willingness to be a ''brutal'' combatant. Included in his ''many'' nasty killing animations is punching a mook in the face to spin him around and then stabbing him in the lower back, through the hip, and ''[[{{Squick}} out his crotch]]''. Another involves breaking an opponent's leg by kicking out a knee, and another has him kick them in the crotch, and as they drop to their knees, stabbing them in the top of their head with his short blade.
** *** Let's not forget his gruesome hidden blade counterattacks, which are so [[{{Pun}} underhanded]] many ''players'' don't even realize they exist.
** This seems to be something passed down [[BadassFamily from generation to generation]]. Ezio of the Renaissance fights even dirtier than Altair, aided by new weapons of the time period and some new skills (lacking his ancestor's the SuperDrowningSkills for one, allowing him to pull enemies into the water). He even learns to [[AHandfulForAnEye toss sand in enemies' eyes]].



** And now [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII Connor]] is carrying on the legacy, adding a [[AnAxeToGrind tomahawk]] and a [[TheStraightAndArrowPath bow]] to his already long [[MultiMeleeMaster list of weapons.]] Not to mention the things he can do with a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUhraVG7Ow musket...]]

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** And now [[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII Connor]] is carrying on the legacy, adding a [[AnAxeToGrind tomahawk]] and a [[TheStraightAndArrowPath bow]] to his already long [[MultiMeleeMaster list of weapons.]] Not to mention the things he can do with a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUhraVG7Ow musket...]]



** It runs in the family. Haytham's father Edward doesn't shy away from brutal tactics either. Then again, he's a pirate, so why would he? Honorable pirates don't survive the Caribbean. One of the trailers show him killing a defeated enemy using the ship's wheel. Also, the final requirement to take over a fort is to kill its commander, who is unarmed and begging for mercy.

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** It runs in the family. Haytham's father Edward doesn't shy away from brutal tactics either. Then again, he's a pirate, so why would he? Honorable pirates don't survive the Caribbean. One of the trailers show him killing a defeated enemy using the ship's wheel. Also, the final requirement to take over a fort is to kill its commander, who is unarmed and begging for mercy.'
** Being street brawlers turned crime lords, [[Videogame/AssassinsCreedSyndicate the Frye twins]] are no stranger to streetfighting tactics. Even better is the fact that revolvers are now the primary firearms of the time, meaning that pulling out your gun to shoot at the rival crime boss you're chasing is a viable method.


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* The protagonists of the ''Videogame/{{Yakuza}}'' series are all brutal fighters who will use just about anything they can get their hands on in a fight. Not only are they willing to kick or stomp on an enemy while they're on the ground, they're willing to slam them around any surface they can find (up to suplexing them on railings). They're also not above using any weapon they can get their hands on, including blades and guns if they're available.
5th Jul '17 8:51:14 PM Loekman3
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* Kratos of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' is pretty damned brutal, willing to stab Cyclopses in the eye, slashing their knees to open them up for attack, slam and throw enemies around and even rip enemies apart with his bare hands. The final battle of the second game has him [[spoiler:pulling off an ISurrenderSuckers on Zeus, asking to be executed which he takes as an opportunity to give Zeus a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown]]. By the third game he's able to [[GrievousHarmWithABody use enemies as battering rams]].

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* Kratos of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' ''VideoGame/GodOfWarSeries'' is pretty damned brutal, willing to stab Cyclopses in the eye, slashing their knees to open them up for attack, slam and throw enemies around and even rip enemies apart with his bare hands. The final battle of the second game has him [[spoiler:pulling off an ISurrenderSuckers on Zeus, asking to be executed which he takes as an opportunity to give Zeus a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown]]. By the third game he's able to [[GrievousHarmWithABody use enemies as battering rams]].
3rd Jul '17 12:40:46 PM KingLyger
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* The Phantom Thieves, from ''Videogame/Persona5'', stand out even among previous protagonists in the series, while no party from any Persona game had any troubles ganging up on an opponent, the Thieves take it a step further, they might negotiate with their opponents to get them to their side or maybe just to get some money from them, they have no troubles using both guns and normal weapons, and whenever they fight a major foe, they use special operations in order to weaken them and make the fight easier on them
* Velvet Crow in ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' might be the most pragmatic protagonist out of the ''Tales'' series protagonists as she has no problems kicking people who are in the middle of a speech, attempt to stab people when they're off-guard, or even [[spoiler: headbutt the BigBad after said man blocked two of her attempts with both of their hands holding each other.]]

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* The Phantom Thieves, from ''Videogame/Persona5'', stand out even among previous protagonists in the series, while no party series. While parties from any Persona game never had any troubles ganging up on an opponent, the Thieves take it a step further, they might negotiate with their opponents to get them to their side or maybe just to get some money from them, they further. They have no troubles using both guns and normal weapons, and whenever even hold up their foes at gunpoint when they're knocked down. Whenever they fight a major foe, they the Thieves use special operations in order to weaken them and make the fight easier on them
easier. They're also not above backstabbing or distracting their opponents to win, and are willing to confront people in the real world instead of the Metaverse if it means getting what they want.
* Velvet Crow in ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' might be the most pragmatic protagonist out of the ''Tales'' series protagonists as she series. She has no problems kicking people who are in the middle of a speech, attempt attempting to stab people when they're off-guard, or even [[spoiler: headbutt the BigBad after said man blocked two of her attempts with both of their hands holding each other.]]other]]. Also, she says that "people are just tools to achieve my goals with." To that end, she cripples a city's economy and has goodness-knows-what consequences on the future of the world if it means getting her revenge; when holding hostages, she only does so as long as they're useful, after which she openly contemplates killing them.
3rd Jul '17 10:17:35 AM KingLyger
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* In what might be a TakeThat against more technically skilled protagonists such as Leon from ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4'', Isaac from ''VideoGame/DeadSpace'' wouldn't know "finesse" if it tried to claw his face off. Everything from frenzied curb stomping to strangulation while beating his victim around the head with a gun, the man can and WILL take any advantage offered in melee. Of course, when fighting a bunch of zombies, the idea of 'rules of combat' go out the window, but Isaac still qualifies by virtue of the sheer brutality he gets up to.

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* In what might be a TakeThat against more technically skilled protagonists such as Leon from ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4'', Isaac Clarke from ''VideoGame/DeadSpace'' wouldn't know "finesse" if it tried to claw his face off. Everything from frenzied curb stomping to strangulation while [[PistolWhipping beating his victim around the head with a gun, gun]], the man can and WILL will take any advantage offered in melee. Of course, when fighting a bunch of zombies, the idea of 'rules "rules of combat' combat" go out the window, but Isaac still qualifies by virtue of the sheer brutality he gets up to.



** The Necromorphs, amusingly, are actually not this. A couple of cutscenes feature the necromorphs engaging in tactics that seem more sadistic than actually effective (Not that they aren't effective). Enemies with sharp talons just bludgeoning Isaac, or the [[HaveANiceDeath death scene where an enemy slowly chops up Isaac hacking him up rather badly before actually finishing Isaac off by going for the head.]] Whereas Isaac grappling cutscenes feature him doing whatever it takes to survive and kill his attackers, the Necromorph kill scenes seem to be more about looking as painful as possible, rather than being quickly lethal.
** Isaac's weapons, in the first and second game, are repurposed tools, which just happen to be more effective than conventional weapons. By the third game, humanity has apparently adopted highly modular weapons due to the Necromorph invasion, largely based on those exact same tools.
* [[SuperMarioBros Wario and Waluigi]] are these. Even though they live in a world where most characters can perform flashy super attacks( even they can), they often resort to cheating and dirty tactics. Wether it is tossing bombs, brute force, blinding the oponent or set some monsters on their tracks, [[ThoseTwoBadGuys these two]] will stop at nothing to beat the competition.

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** The Necromorphs, necromorphs, amusingly, are actually not this. A couple of cutscenes feature the necromorphs engaging in tactics that seem more sadistic than actually effective (Not that they aren't effective). effective. Enemies with sharp talons just bludgeoning Isaac, or the [[HaveANiceDeath death scene where an enemy slowly chops up Isaac hacking him up rather badly before actually finishing Isaac off by going for the head.]] head]]. Whereas Isaac grappling cutscenes feature him doing whatever it takes to survive and kill his attackers, the Necromorph necromorph kill scenes seem to be more about looking as painful as possible, rather than being quickly lethal.
** Isaac's weapons, in the first and second game, are repurposed tools, which just happen to be more effective than conventional weapons. weapons in dealing with the necromorphs, who can only be killed by cutting off their limbs. By the third game, humanity has apparently adopted highly modular weapons due to the Necromorph necromorph invasion, largely based on those exact same tools.
* [[SuperMarioBros Wario and Waluigi]] are these. Even though they live in a world where most characters can perform flashy super attacks( even they can), attacks (including them), they often resort to cheating and dirty tactics. Wether it is Whether it's tossing bombs, brute force, blinding the oponent opponent or set some monsters on their tracks, [[ThoseTwoBadGuys these two]] will stop at nothing to beat the competition.



** It doesn't help that players behind the class are fond of attacking you while you're low on health or already engaged in combat, further capitalising on their advantage.

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** It doesn't help that players behind the class are fond of attacking you while you're low on health or already engaged in combat, further capitalising capitalizing on their advantage.



** Okay ''WorldOfWarcraft'' PvP players, raise your hand if you've come across someone of the opposite faction battling with something, waited until their health was low, then attacked for the honor points. Rogues need not reply, assuming you haven't already stealthed and snuck up behind me.
*** Many attack for the lulz or factional pride, but it's much the same.

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** Okay ''WorldOfWarcraft'' PvP [=PvP=] players, raise your hand if you've come across someone of the opposite faction battling with something, waited until their health was low, then attacked for the honor points. Rogues need not reply, assuming you haven't already stealthed and snuck up behind me.
*** Many attack for the lulz or factional pride, but it's much the same.
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** Kai Leng in Mass Effect 3 is not above calling in a gunship to provide cover-fire while he recharges his shields or calling in reinforcements in boss battles.

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** Kai Leng in Mass ''Mass Effect 3 3'' is not above calling in a gunship to provide cover-fire while he recharges his shields or calling in reinforcements in boss battles.
28th Jun '17 10:11:11 AM BeerBaron
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* Any player character in''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' who has a high sneak skill probably fights in the most unfair way possible. Sneak up behind a foe and stab them with a dagger or fire a poisoned arrow at their face before they know you're there are common tactics for a pragmatic character. Pragmatism is the name of the game with a thief-type character, especially, because they're basically {{Glass Cannon}}s.

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'':
** In series' background lore, the [[CatFolk Khajiit]] have this as a racial trait. The Khajiit language [[LanguageEqualsThought doesn't even have a word for "rules"]]; the closest concept is "foolish thoughts." Unsurprisingly, this extends to their methods in battle. They have no qualms with deception, trickery, and even outright fleeing battle if things don't go their way. They are more than willing to abandon their allies (after all, a smart ally would do the same!) or flee a fight if it means that they can turn around and come back later to stab their enemies in the back, raid their vulnerable supplies, or cut their throats while they sleep. As long as you win, anything goes.
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Any player character in''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' PlayerCharacter who has a high sneak skill probably fights in the most unfair way possible. Sneak up behind a foe and stab them with a dagger or fire a poisoned arrow at their face before they know you're there are common tactics for a pragmatic character. Pragmatism is the name of the game with a thief-type character, especially, because they're basically {{Glass Cannon}}s.
27th Jun '17 7:49:51 AM IamTheCaligula
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*** After this, he starts using {{Interface Screw}}s to mess with you, SmashCutting you into various attack patterns, giving you a split second to reasses your situation between his attacks. He also [[SecretAIMoves starts attacking you during your own turn by placing attacks on the menu buttons]].

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*** After this, he starts using {{Interface Screw}}s to mess with you, SmashCutting {{Smash Cut}}ting you into various attack patterns, giving you a split second to reasses your situation between his attacks. He also [[SecretAIMoves starts attacking you during your own turn by placing scrolling attacks on across the menu buttons]]. options in the combat menu's interface]].
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