History CombatPragmatist / Other

12th Jun '17 4:49:55 AM Grudgeal
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** The Alpha Legion do not shy away from using spies, double agents, {{False Flag Operation}}s and strategies which screw with their opponents' heads. During the Horus Heresy, Guilliman retreated from fighting them with the statement that he had "no interest in righteous battle against such a dishonorable foe".

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** The Alpha Legion base their doctrine around the 'Strategy' part of StrategyVersusTactics and only commit to open battle if they've lain down the ground game and stacked the deck to their advantage. They do not shy away from using spies, double agents, {{False Flag Operation}}s and strategies which screw with their opponents' heads. heads, train cultist cells (often years in advance) to soften up their targets and provide support before the Legion takes to the field, and can and will withdraw from a battlefield before a single shot is fired if the outcome is deemed strategically unsound. While this means they tend to do poorly if they end up forced with their backs against the wall, the covert ops nature of their campaigns means they very rarely are. During the Horus Heresy, Guilliman retreated from fighting Heresy a (possibly falsified) account claims the Alpha Legion decisively defeated the Ultramarines by goading them with onto a battlefield of their choice and essentially caused defeat upon defeat on them until the statement that he had "no interest in righteous Ultramarines RageQuit the whole battle against such a dishonorable foe".because their opponents were 'too dishonourable'.
6th Jun '17 12:23:47 AM thatmadork
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** The Alpha Legion do not shy away from using spies, double agents, {{False Flag Operation}}s and strategies which screw with their opponents' heads. During the Horus Heresy, Guilliman retreated from fighting them with the statement that he had "no interest in righteous battle against such a dishonorable foe".
26th Feb '17 2:29:36 AM CountDorku
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* In ''TabletopGames/XWingMiniatures'', the Scum and Villainy faction as a whole is prone to this. Apart from a handful of Rebel ships with the correct upgrade, only the Scum can take Illicit upgrades. Sample illicit upgrades allow Scum pilots to take a hit of [[FantasticDrug glitterstim]] for temporary super-focus, cloak on a ship that normally can't do that, make attacks against ships that would normally be out of their line of sight, [[TakingYouWithMe explode when killed]], hack stressed-out enemy ship systems to inflict damage, deploy debris in the path of enemy vessels, and fry their own systems for a desperate but unavoidable stab at a nearby ship.
7th Jan '17 4:07:19 PM nombretomado
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* Everybody does this in StarfleetBattles (or they lose and look stupid while doing so). Special mention goes to the [=WYN=] Cluster Defense Force, composed of a few captured ships, a few purchased pirate vessels, and mostly a load of modified freighters that pose no threat at all to a real warship...except that they only fight warships that are effectively crippled by coming through the radiation field surrounding the Cluster.

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* Everybody does this in StarfleetBattles TabletopGame/StarfleetBattles (or they lose and look stupid while doing so). Special mention goes to the [=WYN=] Cluster Defense Force, composed of a few captured ships, a few purchased pirate vessels, and mostly a load of modified freighters that pose no threat at all to a real warship...except that they only fight warships that are effectively crippled by coming through the radiation field surrounding the Cluster.
5th Jan '17 10:44:36 PM Kurogane7
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* This is pretty much the [[MaskedLuchador Rudo-Luchador's]] schtick. They tend to be stronger, and play dirtier than the [[WeakButSkilled Technico-Luchador]].
12th Nov '16 11:48:17 AM Vovka
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** The Tau are a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]], not a played straight example, despite popular belief. They may not commit to pointless last stands and frontal human-wave tactics like the Imperium, but they do commit to other kinds of military stupidity; for example, they try to avoid sieges to an almost absurd degree, and they don't train their troops for melee combat [[note]]the Tau disdain melee combat and decry it as "barbaric", although even modern real life armies at least train their troops on how to defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat, and melee combat makes even more sense in this setting given how for their main enemies, the Orks and Tyranids, it's their main combat doctrine. [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch Commander Farsight]] is pretty much the only exception to this.[[/note]].

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** The Tau are a [[SubvertedTrope subversion]], not a played straight example, despite popular belief. They may not never commit to pointless last stands and frontal human-wave tactics like the Imperium, but they do commit to other kinds of military stupidity; for example, they try to avoid sieges to an almost absurd degree, and they don't train prefer ending their troops for melee combat [[note]]the wars quickly through destroying enemy supply routes, performing swift and tactical precision strikes, and long-range combat. Since they are physically weaker and have slower reaction time than humans the Tau disdain melee combat and decry it as "barbaric", although even modern real life armies at least train their troops on how to defend themselves use the Kroots, a race of barbaric alien mercenaries who specialized in hand-to-hand close-quarter combat, and melee combat makes even more sense in this setting given how for their main enemies, to fight any enemies close to the Orks and Tyranids, it's their main combat doctrine. [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch Commander Farsight]] is pretty much the only exception to this.[[/note]].Fire Warriors.
9th Oct '16 10:07:56 PM Chabal2
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** During the Great Crusade, Horus' forces ran into an alien race who had codified the art of war by having armies meet in huge arenas to prevent the loss of life. When the time came for battle, the humans were bemused to see the slaughterhouses half-filled with warriors, all looking to the sky. Horus, in an instance of true tactical genius, quickly ordered a planetary bombardment from orbit.
24th Sep '16 4:20:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the WorldOfDarkness, [[HunterTheVigil hunters]] are actively encouraged to use dirty tricks, called "tactics", to gain an edge over the monsters. Conspiracies are also given endowments, abilities and tools that give them an even-footing with (and sometimes an ''advantage'' over) the monsters being hunted.

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* In the WorldOfDarkness, [[HunterTheVigil hunters]] ''TabletopGame/HunterTheVigil'', hunters are actively encouraged to use dirty tricks, called "tactics", to gain an edge over the monsters. Conspiracies are also given endowments, abilities and tools that give them an even-footing with (and sometimes an ''advantage'' over) the monsters being hunted.
28th Aug '16 4:09:55 AM EDP
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* In the Royal Guardsmen's "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxzg_iM-T4E Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron]]" this is how the fight between [[ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}} Snoopy]] and the Red Baron ends: [[spoiler:after being shot down in their first fight Snoopy gets a new plane and challenges the Red Baron to another fight, the Baron laughs... [[OhCrap Then notices that Snoopy got him in sight while he was laughing]], at which point "Snoopy fired once, and he fired twice/And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight"]].
26th Jun '16 4:19:21 AM thatmadork
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* The [[ThoseWackyNazis Ska]][[YouDirtyRat ven]] in the above-mentioned game's fantasy-themed sister ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' are this in a way you wouldn't believe, primarily motivated by their {{Dirty Coward}}ice. Very few Skaven will ever accept a direct challenge and even fewer will seek challenges themselves, preferring instead to shove an underling forward - in gameplay terms, while most armies have their leaders in the front of a unit and suffer penalties from declining a challenge, Skaven leaders can be placed in the back and decline without trouble. Skaven can also exclusively [[WeHaveReserves shoot into a melee against their own units]], and employ Warplock Jezails to act as {{Cold Sniper}}s.
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