History CombatPragmatist / Film

15th Dec '17 11:02:04 AM SasquatchJim
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** ''QuantumOfSolace'' also has a stellar fight sequence with Bond fighting a knife-wielding opponent. In the course of about 30 seconds, Bond slams him through two doors and attacks him with no less than 5 improvised weapons.
5th Dec '17 3:37:09 PM thatmadork
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** Then in ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' he defeats the much more powerful [[spoiler:Koba]] by [[spoiler:defending against his strikes until he tires out and then repeatedly hits the gash in his side when he opens himself.]]
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** Then in ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' he defeats the much more powerful [[spoiler:Koba]] by [[spoiler:defending against his strikes until he tires out and then repeatedly hits the gash in his side when he opens himself.]]
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5th Dec '17 3:36:21 PM thatmadork
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* In ''Film/CanyonPassage'', Logan has no scruples about breaking a bottle or a chair over Bragg's head, or tricking him into punching a post.

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* In ''Film/CanyonPassage'', Logan has no scruples about breaking a bottle or a chair over Bragg's head, or tricking him into punching a post.post.
* Caesar from ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' ''is'' this trope:
** He defeats Rocket by luring him out into the main room of the refuge centre and then clubbing him with an oil can over the back of the head, [[spoiler:and then [[SummonBiggerFish threatening to sic Buck on him]] if he doesn't back down.]]
** Against the humans in the final battle on the Golden Gate bridge, he uses the fog to attack the human roadblock from above and also sends his subordinates to climb the struts under the bridge to attack from below. He orders them all to attack from all sides all at once, crushing the police handily.
** Then in ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' he defeats the much more powerful [[spoiler:Koba]] by [[spoiler:defending against his strikes until he tires out and then repeatedly hits the gash in his side when he opens himself.]]
** In
19th Nov '17 7:47:28 PM foxley
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* ''Film/IShotJesseJames'': Robert Ford shoots UsefulNotes/JesseJames [[InTheBack in the back]] when Jesse turns away from him and is separated from his guns. TruthInTelevision, as this was how the real Jesse James was killed (though he was actually shot in the back of the ''head'', not the back).

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* ''Film/IShotJesseJames'': Robert Ford shoots UsefulNotes/JesseJames [[InTheBack in the back]] when Jesse turns away from him and is separated from his guns. TruthInTelevision, as this was how the real Jesse James was killed (though he was actually shot in the back of the ''head'', not the back).back).
* In ''Film/CanyonPassage'', Logan has no scruples about breaking a bottle or a chair over Bragg's head, or tricking him into punching a post.
5th Nov '17 11:40:48 PM FordPrefect
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* In ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'', April is clearly outclassed by virtue of being a normal human against other normal humans with guns and training [[spoiler:and one ninja master in PoweredArmor. April takes every opportunity she gets to screw with the Shredder, from, stabbing him in the back to distracting him before he can kill a helpless Leo]].

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* In ''Film/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2014'', April is clearly outclassed by virtue of being a normal human against other normal humans with guns and training [[spoiler:and one ninja master in PoweredArmor. April takes every opportunity she gets to screw with the Shredder, from, from stabbing him in the back back, to distracting him before he can kill a helpless Leo]].
5th Nov '17 11:39:10 PM FordPrefect
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* ''Film/FullMetalJacket'' has a sniper use a rather dirty tactic on a squad of Marines; shooting one who was sent to scout ahead but deliberately only wounding him and not killing him, causing him to lie there screaming in pain. When another Marine in the squad comes to help him and drag him back, the sniper shoots him as well. When another Marines does not come, the sniper puts more bullets into the two wounded Marines causing them to scream loudly in pain with the rest of the squad now having a SadisticChoice; watch and listen to the two wounded Marines screaming in pain or try to retrieve them most likely getting themselves shot as well?

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* ''Film/FullMetalJacket'' has a sniper use a rather dirty tactic on a squad of Marines; shooting one who was sent to scout ahead ahead, but deliberately only wounding him and not killing him, causing him to lie there screaming in pain. When another Marine in the squad comes to help him and drag him back, the sniper shoots him as well. When another Marines Marine does not come, the sniper puts more bullets into the two wounded Marines Marines, causing them to scream loudly in pain pain, with the rest of the squad now having a SadisticChoice; watch and listen to the two wounded Marines screaming in pain pain, or try to retrieve them them, most likely getting themselves shot as well?



* During the climactic battle in the ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon'', [[spoiler:Sentinel Prime has no problem calling for an air attack on Optimus when he starts losing the fight. Shortly therafter, he is shot in the back by Megatron.]] Throughout the series, both sides tend to be absolutely ruthless, bringing guns into melee fights as their baseline. Also in the third film is [[spoiler:effectively taking America--yes, ''all of it''--hostage in order to force the Autobots off Earth. And while they're leaving, they shoot their ship with a missile, just to be sure.]]

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* During the climactic battle in the ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon'', [[spoiler:Sentinel Prime has no problem calling for an air attack on Optimus when he starts losing the fight. Shortly therafter, thereafter, he is shot in the back by Megatron.]] Throughout the series, both sides tend to be absolutely ruthless, bringing guns into melee fights as their baseline. Also in the third film is [[spoiler:effectively taking America--yes, ''all of it''--hostage in order to force the Autobots off Earth. And while they're leaving, they shoot their ship with a missile, just to be sure.]]
5th Nov '17 11:29:40 PM FordPrefect
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* The 2000's ''[[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga Batman]]'' films saw his fighting style noticeably updated to reflect this, moving away from the flashier style he is usually shown to have in live action media. This was a deliberate choice by Nolan and Bale

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* The 2000's ''[[Film/TheDarkKnightSaga Batman]]'' films saw his fighting style noticeably updated to reflect this, moving away from the flashier style he is usually shown to have in live action media. This was a deliberate choice by Nolan and BaleBale.



** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' sees ComicBook/TheJoker sucker punch, use a knife [[HiddenWeapons hidden in his boot]], trick an entire gang of robbers into killing each other, pull off the [[EyeScream now famous 'magic trick']], violate MookChivalry, use a cop as a HumanShield, use a bomb [[spoiler: inside a guy's stomach, triggered by a cellphone]], [[spoiler: disguise hostages as the hostage takers and vice versa]] and sic dogs on Batman before going in on him with a lead pipe. However, it's slightly averted at one point with the Joker telling a cop that he prefers to kill people with knives than guns since guns do it too quick and don't allow him to savor their final moments... which [[MultipleChoicePast given how true anything the Joker said about himself]], might [[PlayingWithATrope actually not be played straight]], but rather is used to [[spoiler: [[JustifiedTrope push all of the wrong buttons of the cop guarding him, leading to a fight in which the cop loses]].]] Shortly after the Joker is arrested, it's rather comical as to how many knives the police take off of him. What's even more comical is that in the shot where they're laying the knives out on the table, the last one is a ''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking POTATO PEELER]]''..., and the cop handling it clearly takes a second look as if to say "wtf?"
** ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'': Bane counts as well. To wit, GoodOldFisticuffs, [[UseYourHead headbutting]], [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown kicking them while they are down]], with a good dose of TheBerserker when [[spoiler:Batman cuts of his supply of anesthetics, resulting in RapidfireFisticuffs.]] [[WordOfGod Nolan]] has even stated that he wanted Bane's fighting style to be pragmatic and ruthless. And then [[spoiler:Catwoman just shoots him with an artillery cannon when his back is turned, making her one, too.]]

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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' sees ComicBook/TheJoker sucker punch, use a knife [[HiddenWeapons hidden in his boot]], trick an entire gang of robbers into killing each other, pull off the [[EyeScream now famous 'magic trick']], violate MookChivalry, use a cop as a HumanShield, use a bomb [[spoiler: inside a guy's stomach, triggered by a cellphone]], [[spoiler: disguise hostages as the hostage takers and vice versa]] versa]], and sic dogs on Batman before going in on him with a lead pipe. However, it's slightly averted at one point point, with the Joker telling a cop that he prefers to kill people with knives than guns guns, since guns do it too quick and don't allow him to savor their final moments... which which, [[MultipleChoicePast given how true the questionable truth of anything the Joker said about himself]], might [[PlayingWithATrope actually not be played straight]], but rather is used to [[spoiler: [[JustifiedTrope push all of the wrong buttons of the cop guarding him, leading to a fight in which the cop loses]].]] Shortly after the Joker is arrested, it's rather comical as to how many knives the police take off of him. What's even more comical is that in the shot where they're laying the knives out on the table, the last one is a ''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking POTATO PEELER]]''..., and the cop handling it clearly takes a second look as if to say "wtf?"
** ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'': Bane counts as well. To wit, GoodOldFisticuffs, [[UseYourHead headbutting]], [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown kicking them while they are down]], with a good dose of TheBerserker when [[spoiler:Batman cuts of off his supply of anesthetics, resulting in RapidfireFisticuffs.]] [[WordOfGod Nolan]] has even stated that he wanted Bane's fighting style to be pragmatic and ruthless. And then [[spoiler:Catwoman just shoots him with an artillery cannon when his back is turned, making her one, too.]]
5th Nov '17 11:27:24 PM FordPrefect
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** ''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel''. He [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end, although the whole Metropolis-wrecking fight prior to it is Superman trying to NOT be a ''CombatPragmatist'' as he has no non-lethal means of neutralizing a skilled Kryptonian fighter sworn to kill everyone on Earth]].

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** ''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel''. He [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end, although the whole Metropolis-wrecking fight prior to it is Superman trying to NOT ''not'' be a ''CombatPragmatist'' Combat Pragmatist, as he has no non-lethal means of neutralizing a skilled Kryptonian fighter sworn to kill everyone on Earth]].
12th Oct '17 6:45:58 AM JamesAustin
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* In the 1997 film version of ''Film/PrinceValiant'', Valiant may be a noble knight and prince, but he fights dirty and uses improvised weapons. When a man challenges him to a fight in a bar, Valiant asks if there are any rules. The man says no, and Valiant immediately tries to pull the rug out from under him, though the tactic fails because the man is too heavy.

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* In the 1997 film version of ''Film/PrinceValiant'', ''Film/PrinceValiant1997'', Valiant may be a noble knight and prince, but he fights dirty and uses improvised weapons. When a man challenges him to a fight in a bar, Valiant asks if there are any rules. The man says no, and Valiant immediately tries to pull the rug out from under him, though the tactic fails because the man is too heavy.
27th Aug '17 2:56:18 AM Silverblade2
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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' sees SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker sucker punch, use a knife [[HiddenWeapons hidden in his boot]], trick an entire gang of robbers into killing each other, pull off the [[EyeScream now famous 'magic trick']], violate MookChivalry, use a cop as a HumanShield, use a bomb [[spoiler: inside a guy's stomach, triggered by a cellphone]], [[spoiler: disguise hostages as the hostage takers and vice versa]] and sic dogs on Batman before going in on him with a lead pipe. However, it's slightly averted at one point with the Joker telling a cop that he prefers to kill people with knives than guns since guns do it too quick and don't allow him to savor their final moments... which [[MultipleChoicePast given how true anything the Joker said about himself]], might [[PlayingWithATrope actually not be played straight]], but rather is used to [[spoiler: [[JustifiedTrope push all of the wrong buttons of the cop guarding him, leading to a fight in which the cop loses]].]] Shortly after the Joker is arrested, it's rather comical as to how many knives the police take off of him. What's even more comical is that in the shot where they're laying the knives out on the table, the last one is a ''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking POTATO PEELER]]''..., and the cop handling it clearly takes a second look as if to say "wtf?"

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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' sees SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker sucker punch, use a knife [[HiddenWeapons hidden in his boot]], trick an entire gang of robbers into killing each other, pull off the [[EyeScream now famous 'magic trick']], violate MookChivalry, use a cop as a HumanShield, use a bomb [[spoiler: inside a guy's stomach, triggered by a cellphone]], [[spoiler: disguise hostages as the hostage takers and vice versa]] and sic dogs on Batman before going in on him with a lead pipe. However, it's slightly averted at one point with the Joker telling a cop that he prefers to kill people with knives than guns since guns do it too quick and don't allow him to savor their final moments... which [[MultipleChoicePast given how true anything the Joker said about himself]], might [[PlayingWithATrope actually not be played straight]], but rather is used to [[spoiler: [[JustifiedTrope push all of the wrong buttons of the cop guarding him, leading to a fight in which the cop loses]].]] Shortly after the Joker is arrested, it's rather comical as to how many knives the police take off of him. What's even more comical is that in the shot where they're laying the knives out on the table, the last one is a ''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking POTATO PEELER]]''..., and the cop handling it clearly takes a second look as if to say "wtf?"
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