History CombatPragmatist / Film

27th Aug '17 2:56:18 AM Silverblade2
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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' sees SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker sucker punch, use a knife [[HiddenWeapons hidden in his boot]], trick an entire gang of robbers into killing each other, pull off the [[EyeScream now famous 'magic trick']], violate MookChivalry, use a cop as a HumanShield, use a bomb [[spoiler: inside a guy's stomach, triggered by a cellphone]], [[spoiler: disguise hostages as the hostage takers and vice versa]] and sic dogs on Batman before going in on him with a lead pipe. However, it's slightly averted at one point with the Joker telling a cop that he prefers to kill people with knives than guns since guns do it too quick and don't allow him to savor their final moments... which [[MultipleChoicePast given how true anything the Joker said about himself]], might [[PlayingWithATrope actually not be played straight]], but rather is used to [[spoiler: [[JustifiedTrope push all of the wrong buttons of the cop guarding him, leading to a fight in which the cop loses]].]] Shortly after the Joker is arrested, it's rather comical as to how many knives the police take off of him. What's even more comical is that in the shot where they're laying the knives out on the table, the last one is a ''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking POTATO PEELER]]''..., and the cop handling it clearly takes a second look as if to say "wtf?"

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** ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' sees SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker sucker punch, use a knife [[HiddenWeapons hidden in his boot]], trick an entire gang of robbers into killing each other, pull off the [[EyeScream now famous 'magic trick']], violate MookChivalry, use a cop as a HumanShield, use a bomb [[spoiler: inside a guy's stomach, triggered by a cellphone]], [[spoiler: disguise hostages as the hostage takers and vice versa]] and sic dogs on Batman before going in on him with a lead pipe. However, it's slightly averted at one point with the Joker telling a cop that he prefers to kill people with knives than guns since guns do it too quick and don't allow him to savor their final moments... which [[MultipleChoicePast given how true anything the Joker said about himself]], might [[PlayingWithATrope actually not be played straight]], but rather is used to [[spoiler: [[JustifiedTrope push all of the wrong buttons of the cop guarding him, leading to a fight in which the cop loses]].]] Shortly after the Joker is arrested, it's rather comical as to how many knives the police take off of him. What's even more comical is that in the shot where they're laying the knives out on the table, the last one is a ''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking POTATO PEELER]]''..., and the cop handling it clearly takes a second look as if to say "wtf?"
16th Jul '17 4:59:16 AM matt_shade
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** ''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel''. He [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end, although this is since Superman has no other means of neutralizing a skilled Kryptonian fighter out to kill everyone on Earth]].

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** ''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel''. He [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end, although this the whole Metropolis-wrecking fight prior to it is since Superman trying to NOT be a ''CombatPragmatist'' as he has no other non-lethal means of neutralizing a skilled Kryptonian fighter out sworn to kill everyone on Earth]].
16th Jul '17 4:53:09 AM matt_shade
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** ''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel''. He [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end,]] when he has no other choice.
** This is continued by Batman in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. Batman kills any of the henchmen who get in his way, including blowing up a dude's flamethrower so that he burns to death.

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** ''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel''. He [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end,]] when he end, although this is since Superman has no other choice.
means of neutralizing a skilled Kryptonian fighter out to kill everyone on Earth]].
** This is continued by Batman in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. Batman kills any roughly a third of the henchmen who get in his way, including blowing up a dude's flamethrower so that he burns way. This however may not always be due to death. Combat Pragmatism; on one hand the warehouse fight scene would be quicker, less lethal and less brutal if Batman just grabbed two guns and targeted shoulders and knees. On the other hand there's the psychological warfare aspect; the henchmen are terrified of the Bat because it isn't a guy with a trigger-finger.
9th Jun '17 3:16:05 PM MasterFuzzy
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** The Jedi and the Sith usually subvert this in terms of weapons, only using lightsabers and refusing to use blasters, but the Sith, being the villains, are more willing to fight dirtier.

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** The Jedi and the Sith usually subvert this in terms of weapons, only using lightsabers and refusing to use blasters, but the Sith, being the villains, are more willing to fight dirtier. This is somewhat justified in that the Jedi teach restraint-start fighting too dirty, and you might fall to the Dark Side.



* In Creator/GuyRitchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'', Holmes and Watson find themselves in a fight with a number of dirt antagonists. Both Watson and Holmes are willing to improvise. Pots, pans, cans, etc abound. In fact each is the quintessential dirty fighter, going so far as to [[GrievousHarmWithABody throw one bad guy into another.]] Holmes at one point uses a live electrode to electrocute one mook through exposed copper piping, effectively launching him into another mook that Watson was fighting. [[AvertedTrope Averted]], in the same fight, when Holmes and his opponent both, at different times, politely request a momentary break in the fight to recover.

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* In Creator/GuyRitchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'', Holmes and Watson find themselves in a fight with a number of dirt antagonists. Both Watson and Holmes are willing to improvise. Pots, pans, cans, etc abound. In fact each is the quintessential dirty fighter, going so far as to [[GrievousHarmWithABody throw one bad guy into another.]] Holmes at one point uses a live electrode to electrocute one mook through exposed copper piping, effectively launching him into another mook that Watson was fighting. [[AvertedTrope Averted]], in the same fight, when Holmes and his opponent both, at different times, politely request a momentary break in the fight to recover.recover (because, after all, Holmes is an Englishman).
3rd Jun '17 8:55:03 PM ultimomant
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* ''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel'': he [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end,]] when he has no other choice.

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* ''Film/DCExtendedUniverse'':
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''{{ComicBook/Superman}}'' gets a dose of this in ''Film/ManOfSteel'': he ''Film/ManOfSteel''. He [[spoiler: smashes Zod's helmet in their fight, knowing that Zod will be overwhelmed when his helmet no longer filters his SuperSenses.]] He also [[spoiler: snaps Zod's neck at the end,]] when he has no other choice.


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** In ''Film/WonderWoman2017'', Diana disarms Antiope during a sparring match and thinks it is over. Antiope sucker punches her, takes the sword back, and lectures her that real fights aren't fair.
30th May '17 6:40:46 PM libertydude
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* ''Film/TheHungerGames'': Katniss Everdeen increasingly becomes this as the movies progress, though moreso during the games.

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* ''Film/TheHungerGames'': Katniss Everdeen increasingly becomes this as the movies progress, though moreso during the games.games.
* ''Film/IShotJesseJames'': Robert Ford shoots UsefulNotes/JesseJames [[InTheBack in the back]] when Jesse turns away from him and is separated from his guns. TruthInTelevision, as this was how the real Jesse James was killed (though he was actually shot in the back of the ''head'', not the back).
18th Apr '17 11:48:42 AM CnHGirl
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* In Creator/GuyRitchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'', Holmes and Watson find themselves in a fight with a number of dirt antagonists. Both Watson and Holmes are willing to improvise. Pots, pans, cans, etc abound. In fact each is the quintessential dirty fighter, going so far as to [[GrievousHarmWithABody throw one bad guy into another.]] [[AvertedTrope Averted]], in the same fight, when Holmes and his opponent both, at different times, politely request a momentary break in the fight to recover.

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* In Creator/GuyRitchie's ''Film/SherlockHolmes'', Holmes and Watson find themselves in a fight with a number of dirt antagonists. Both Watson and Holmes are willing to improvise. Pots, pans, cans, etc abound. In fact each is the quintessential dirty fighter, going so far as to [[GrievousHarmWithABody throw one bad guy into another.]] Holmes at one point uses a live electrode to electrocute one mook through exposed copper piping, effectively launching him into another mook that Watson was fighting. [[AvertedTrope Averted]], in the same fight, when Holmes and his opponent both, at different times, politely request a momentary break in the fight to recover.
25th Mar '17 12:32:46 PM TimeLordVictorious
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*** The scene in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith" when Obi-Wan and Anakin are dueling. You know which.
-->'''Obi-Wan''': IHaveTheHighGround!

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*** The scene in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith" when Obi-Wan and Anakin are dueling. [[IHaveTheHighGround You know which.
-->'''Obi-Wan''': IHaveTheHighGround!
which.]]
25th Mar '17 12:31:17 PM TimeLordVictorious
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->'''Obi-Wan''': IHaveTheHighGround!

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->'''Obi-Wan''': -->'''Obi-Wan''': IHaveTheHighGround!
25th Mar '17 12:31:02 PM TimeLordVictorious
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*** The scene in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith" when Obi-Wan and Anakin are dueling. You know which.
->'''Obi-Wan''': IHaveTheHighGround!
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