History Characters / UminekoWhenTheyCryMeta

30th Aug '17 10:42:32 AM SnakeEyes
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* AmbiguousGender: Very intentionally; the narration refers to them [[GenderNeutralWriting very gender-neutrally]], they have an androgynous appearance, and none of the other characters give any indication what their gender actually is. Even Will doesn't know what it is, and it's one of the mysteries that he's supposed to solve. When he actually asks Lion, he doesn't get a straight answer. Bernkastel later states that she hid Lion's gender on purpose. Although if the strong implications the manga gives with [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] are anything to go by, [[spoiler:we can be pretty sure Lion is male]].

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* AmbiguousGender: Very intentionally; the narration refers to them [[GenderNeutralWriting very gender-neutrally]], they have an androgynous appearance, and none of the other characters give any indication what their gender actually is. Even Will doesn't know what it is, and it's one of the mysteries that he's supposed to solve. When he actually asks Lion, he doesn't get a straight answer. Lion gets annoyed and refuses to tell him. Bernkastel later states even influenced the characters of [=EP7=]'s game so that she hid Lion's gender on purpose.they wouldn't reveal it, by making Jessica refer to Lion as "successor-sama" instead of "brother" or "sister". Although if the strong implications the manga gives with [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] are anything to go by, [[spoiler:we can be pretty sure Lion is male]].
31st Jul '17 12:12:37 PM valar55
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* AmateurSleuth: Actually a {{Deconstruction}}[=/=]{{Parody}} of one, created by Bern as her AuthorAvatar to screw with Beato's murder mystery. Imagine what type of personality [[LittleOldLadyInvestigates someone normally harmless]] would develop if everywhere they went, [[MysteryMagnet someone always]] [[AlwaysMurder kills another human being]]. It takes the [[ConvictionByContradiction flimsiest]] and occasionally [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue technically wrong]] reasoning to cause the killer to break down into a MotiveRant and everyone praises her for it, so this person came to enjoy her life. She has never been wrong ever, even when actual facts didn't match up. The above description [[Series/MurderSheWrote should]] [[Creator/AgathaChristie sound]] [[Manga/DetectiveConan very]], [[Series/{{Columbo}} very]], [[Literature/EncyclopediaBrown familiar]]. This is possibly a {{Flanderization}} or {{Satire}}, but given PoesLaw it is hard to tell.

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* AmateurSleuth: Actually a {{Deconstruction}}[=/=]{{Parody}} of one, created by Bern as her AuthorAvatar to screw with Beato's murder mystery. Imagine what type of personality [[LittleOldLadyInvestigates someone normally harmless]] would develop if everywhere they went, [[MysteryMagnet someone always]] [[AlwaysMurder kills another human being]]. It takes the [[ConvictionByContradiction flimsiest]] and occasionally [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue technically wrong]] reasoning to cause the killer to break down into a MotiveRant and everyone praises her for it, so this person came to enjoy her life. She has never been wrong wrong, ever, even when actual facts didn't match up. The above description [[Series/MurderSheWrote should]] [[Creator/AgathaChristie sound]] [[Manga/DetectiveConan very]], [[Series/{{Columbo}} very]], [[Literature/EncyclopediaBrown familiar]]. This is possibly a {{Flanderization}} or {{Satire}}, but given PoesLaw it is hard to tell.
26th Jul '17 1:03:35 PM sorako
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* AmbiguousGender: Very intentionally; the narration refers to them [[GenderNeutralWriting very gender-neutrally]], they have an androgynous appearance, and none of the other characters give any indication what their gender actually is. Even Will doesn't know what it is, and it's one of the mysteries that he's supposed to solve. When he actually asks Lion, he doesn't get a straight answer. Bernkastel later states that she hid Lion's gender on purpose. If the strong implications the manga gives with [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] are anything to go by, [[spoiler:we can be pretty sure Lion is male]].

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* AmbiguousGender: Very intentionally; the narration refers to them [[GenderNeutralWriting very gender-neutrally]], they have an androgynous appearance, and none of the other characters give any indication what their gender actually is. Even Will doesn't know what it is, and it's one of the mysteries that he's supposed to solve. When he actually asks Lion, he doesn't get a straight answer. Bernkastel later states that she hid Lion's gender on purpose. If Although if the strong implications the manga gives with [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda]] are anything to go by, [[spoiler:we can be pretty sure Lion is male]].



* PronounTrouble: Probably even worse than [[spoiler:Yasu]]. While it's easier to get away with it in Japanese, translators have a very hard time finding a natural way to refer to Lion.

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* PronounTrouble: Probably even worse than [[spoiler:Yasu]]. You might have guessed the issue by just reading a few lines of this character sheet. While it's easier to get away with in Japanese it in Japanese, goes unnoticed for a while, translators all over the world have a very hard time finding wracked their brains to find a natural way to refer to Lion.
6th Jul '17 7:52:12 AM Oecchi
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* SchoolSwimsuit: She was wearing this along with a life jacket when she washed up on the island. Naturally, it's quite common for her to wear one in fan art.

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* SchoolSwimsuit: She was wearing this along with a life jacket when she washed up on the island. Naturally, Though we don't actually see her wearing it in the visual novel, it's quite common for her to wear one in fan art.fanart.
27th May '17 3:10:58 PM sorako
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** Thought to be this sometime before the story, if the story about her ex-boyfriend is to be believed. Erika apparently inspected her boyfriend's entire house when she suspected he was seeing another woman. She took it very badly when she found tons of evidence that proved she was right.

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** Thought to be this sometime before the story, if the story about her ex-boyfriend is to be believed. Erika apparently inspected her boyfriend's entire house like it was a crime scene when she suspected he was seeing another woman. She took it very badly when she found tons of evidence that proved she was right.



* TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest: At some point in the past, Erika had a boyfriend who dumped her in a cruel way when she confronted him about evidence that he had been cheating on her. This apparently left her with some serious emotional baggage and led her to believe that love only distracts you from the truth.

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* TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest: At some point in the past, Erika had a boyfriend who dumped her in a cruel way when she confronted him about evidence that he had been cheating on her. This apparently left her with some serious emotional baggage and led her to believe that love only distracts you her from finding the truth.truth, so she has no need for it.



* TheAce: [[TheHero Battler]] is a mystery lover thrown in a mystery situation against his will. Willard has spent his ''entire life'' working in such situations, and it shows.


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* {{Foil}}: [[TheHero Battler]] is a mystery lover thrown in a mystery situation against his will. Willard has spent his ''entire life'' working in such situations, and it shows.
22nd May '17 4:24:38 PM sorako
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* AmateurSleuth: Actually a {{Deconstruction}}[=/=]{{Parody}} of one, created by Bern as her AuthorAvatar to screw with Beato's murder mystery.

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* AmateurSleuth: Actually a {{Deconstruction}}[=/=]{{Parody}} of one, created by Bern as her AuthorAvatar to screw with Beato's murder mystery. Imagine what type of personality [[LittleOldLadyInvestigates someone normally harmless]] would develop if everywhere they went, [[MysteryMagnet someone always]] [[AlwaysMurder kills another human being]]. It takes the [[ConvictionByContradiction flimsiest]] and occasionally [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue technically wrong]] reasoning to cause the killer to break down into a MotiveRant and everyone praises her for it, so this person came to enjoy her life. She has never been wrong ever, even when actual facts didn't match up. The above description [[Series/MurderSheWrote should]] [[Creator/AgathaChristie sound]] [[Manga/DetectiveConan very]], [[Series/{{Columbo}} very]], [[Literature/EncyclopediaBrown familiar]]. This is possibly a {{Flanderization}} or {{Satire}}, but given PoesLaw it is hard to tell.



* ClingyJealousGirl: Thought to be this sometime before the story, if the story about her ex-boyfriend is to be believed.

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* ClingyJealousGirl: ClingyJealousGirl:
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Thought to be this sometime before the story, if the story about her ex-boyfriend is to be believed.believed. Erika apparently inspected her boyfriend's entire house when she suspected he was seeing another woman. She took it very badly when she found tons of evidence that proved she was right.



* {{Deconstruction}}: Imagine what type of personality [[LittleOldLadyInvestigates someone normally harmless]] would develop if everywhere they went, [[MysteryMagnet someone always]] [[AlwaysMurder kills another human being]]. It takes the [[ConvictionByContradiction flimsiest]] and occasionally [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue technically wrong]] reasoning to cause the killer to break down into a MotiveRant and everyone praises her for it, so this person came to enjoy her life. She has never been wrong ever, even when actual facts didn't match up. The above description [[Series/MurderSheWrote should]] [[Creator/AgathaChristie sound]] [[Manga/DetectiveConan very]], [[Series/{{Columbo}} very]], [[Literature/EncyclopediaBrown familiar]]. This is possibly a {{Flanderization}} or {{Satire}}, but given PoesLaw it is hard to tell.
** She could also be seen as a deconstruction of ConvictionByContradiction.



* TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest: At some point in the past, Erika had a boyfriend who dumped her in a cruel way when she confronted him about evidence that he had been cheating on her. This apparently left her with some serious emotional baggage and led her to believe that love only distracts you from the truth.



* FreudianExcuse: Touched on in ''Dawn''; the failure of her romantic relationship gives her a fanatical obsession with the truth and [[DisproportionateRetribution the need to utterly defile anything that might obscure it, be it magic or love]]. [[spoiler:Erika even considers herself more powerful than Bernkastel and Lambdadelta in a way, because they'd rather distract themselves from their past miseries with other people's suffering than face those memories (and thus the truth) head-on.]]

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* FreudianExcuse: Touched on in ''Dawn''; the failure of her romantic relationship gives her a fanatical obsession with the truth and [[DisproportionateRetribution the need to utterly defile anything that might obscure it, be it magic or love]]. [[spoiler:Erika even considers herself more powerful than Bernkastel and Lambdadelta in a way, because they'd rather distract themselves from their past miseries with other people's suffering than face those memories (and thus the truth) head-on.]]



* SmugSnake: She ''revels'' in dismantling the theories of others and substituting what she believes is the one true truth. She also goes into meltdown whenever her "truth" gets a hole punched through it.

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* SmugSnake: She ''revels'' in dismantling the theories of others and substituting what she believes is the one true truth. She also goes into meltdown whenever her "truth" gets a hole punched through it. Erika even considers herself more powerful than Bernkastel and Lambdadelta in a way, because they'd rather distract themselves from their past miseries with other people's suffering than face those memories (and thus the truth) head-on.
12th May '17 7:00:14 PM Jacob175
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* {{Deconstruction}}: Imagine what type of personality [[LittleOldLadyInvestigates someone normally harmless]] would develop if everywhere they went, [[MysteryMagnet someone always]] [[AlwaysMurder kills another human being]]. It takes the [[ConvictionByContradiction flimsiest]] and occasionally [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue technically wrong]] reasoning to cause the killer to break down into a MotiveRant and everyone praises her for it; so this person came to enjoy her life. She has never been wrong ever; even when actual facts didn't match up. The above description [[Series/MurderSheWrote should]] [[Creator/AgathaChristie sound]] [[Manga/DetectiveConan very]], [[Series/{{Columbo}} very]], [[Literature/EncyclopediaBrown familiar]]. This is possibly a {{Flanderization}} or {{Satire}}, but given PoesLaw it is hard to tell.

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* {{Deconstruction}}: Imagine what type of personality [[LittleOldLadyInvestigates someone normally harmless]] would develop if everywhere they went, [[MysteryMagnet someone always]] [[AlwaysMurder kills another human being]]. It takes the [[ConvictionByContradiction flimsiest]] and occasionally [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue technically wrong]] reasoning to cause the killer to break down into a MotiveRant and everyone praises her for it; it, so this person came to enjoy her life. She has never been wrong ever; ever, even when actual facts didn't match up. The above description [[Series/MurderSheWrote should]] [[Creator/AgathaChristie sound]] [[Manga/DetectiveConan very]], [[Series/{{Columbo}} very]], [[Literature/EncyclopediaBrown familiar]]. This is possibly a {{Flanderization}} or {{Satire}}, but given PoesLaw it is hard to tell.



* DuctTapeForEverything: Especially for creating closed rooms. In fact Erika is so good at solving everything with duct tape that in her second game [[spoiler:she was forbidden from using it and had to haggle just to get enough duct tape to cover three rooms.]]

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* DuctTapeForEverything: Especially for creating closed rooms. In fact Erika is so good at solving everything with duct tape that in her second game game, [[spoiler:she was forbidden from using it and had to haggle just to get enough duct tape to cover three rooms.]]



* HateSink: Take a character who arrives out of nowhere to disturb the game, make her irritatingly perfect via CharacterShilling and then make it clear that she's a complete sociopath whose pastimes are licking Bernkastel's feet and desacrating beloved characters, and you have a perfect scumbag ready to hate. Many fans still LoveToHate her though.

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* HateSink: Take a character who arrives out of nowhere to disturb the game, make her irritatingly perfect via CharacterShilling and then make it clear that she's a complete sociopath whose pastimes are licking Bernkastel's feet and desacrating desecrating beloved characters, and you have a perfect scumbag ready to hate. Many fans still LoveToHate her though.



* SchoolSwimsuit: She was wearing this along with a life jacket when she washed up on the island. Naturally, it's quite common for her to wear one in fanart.

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* SchoolSwimsuit: She was wearing this along with a life jacket when she washed up on the island. Naturally, it's quite common for her to wear one in fanart.fan art.



* TheFettered: In spite of his irritability, Will is probably the most unabashed example of [[NeutralGood Neutral Good]] in the series.

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* TheFettered: In spite of his irritability, Will is probably the most unabashed example of [[NeutralGood Neutral Good]] NeutralGood in the series.



30th Mar '17 4:12:50 PM sorako
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* MeaningfulName: Unsurprisingly, her name is very similar to "[[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Rika Furude]]".
** Both, when said aloud in the Japanese naming order, can sound a bit like "Frederica (Bernkastel)."

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* MeaningfulName: Unsurprisingly, her name is very similar to "[[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry Rika Furude]]".
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Furude]]". Both, when said aloud in the Japanese naming order, can sound a bit like "Frederica (Bernkastel).""
* MetaGirl: She tends to lampshade the mystery genre tropes and expectations, mainly the bad clichés found in "third-rate mysteries".
16th Mar '17 3:49:02 AM Cally
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* KickTheDog: In case you hadn't noticed she is a complete bitch, her denying magic and making Maria cry while laughing with delight drives the point home.

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* KickTheDog: In case you hadn't noticed she is a complete bitch, her denying magic and arguing with the nine-year-old Maria to the point of making Maria her cry while laughing with delight drives the point home.home. It's not enough to tell Maria that magic doesn't exist, she systematically goes through Maria's entire argument on how she saw Beatrice do 'real magic' and refutes it all step-by-step.



* VillainDecay: Inverted. She never stops being a threat as long as she's around, and she keeps up with the escalation.

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* VillainBall: Erika has for all means won in [[spoiler:[=EP6=]]], but she [[spoiler:stops her wedding and willingly enters a duel with Beatrice to satisfy her pride.]]
* VillainDecay: Inverted. Defied. She never stops being a threat danger as long as she's around, she never shows any genuine redemption moments, and she keeps up with her threat to the escalation.protagonists continually escalates.
3rd Jan '17 8:51:15 AM Oecchi
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* JerkassHasAPoint: In her character quote above, where she mocks the story's ArcWords ("Without love, it cannot be seen"), and says that love can make people see things that don't exist. [[spoiler:Later on, the story delves into the more negative aspects of ThePowerOfLove, such as Kinzo deluding himself into believing his daughter Beatrice Ushiromiya was the reincarnation of her mother and [[ParentalIncest the tragic results]].]]


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* VillainHasAPoint: In her character quote above, where she mocks the story's ArcWords ("Without love, it cannot be seen"), and says that love can make people see things that don't exist. [[spoiler:Later on, the story delves into the more negative aspects of ThePowerOfLove, such as Kinzo deluding himself into believing his daughter Beatrice Ushiromiya was the reincarnation of her mother and [[ParentalIncest the tragic results]].]]
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