History Characters / UminekoWhenTheyCry1986Humans

21st Aug '17 6:50:24 AM TaylorHyuuga
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: [[spoiler:Because Natsuhi pushed a servant holding her adoptive child off a cliff in her fit of anger, the child would grow up to lead a lonely, almost friendless life as a servant with body/gender issues thanks to the injuries they suffered from the fall.]]

to:

* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: The biggest one in the series. [[spoiler:Because Natsuhi pushed a servant holding her adoptive child off a cliff in her fit of anger, the child would grow up to lead a lonely, almost friendless life as a servant with body/gender issues thanks to the injuries they suffered from the fall.fall, eventually leading to the Ushiromiya Massacre.]]
21st Aug '17 6:03:16 AM TaylorHyuuga
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AGoodWayToDie: [[spoiler:Moments before dying, Kinzo got to meet "Beatrice" (Sayo in disguise) one last time and ask for her forgiveness for having raped her. He also passed the family headship to Lion/Sayo, his and Beatrice's child, as he always wanted and got Lion/Sayo to call him "Father" for first and last time. Kinzo then died feeling he got to atone for his sins and claimed to have no regrets left. Once Sayo found out about the horrible things Kinzo did, she felt Kinzo didn't deserve to die in such a satisfying way.]]

to:

* AGoodWayToDie: [[spoiler:Moments before dying, Kinzo got to meet "Beatrice" (Sayo in disguise) one last time and ask for her forgiveness for having raped her. He also passed the family headship to Lion/Sayo, his and Beatrice's child, as he always wanted and got Lion/Sayo to call him "Father" for first and last time. Kinzo then died feeling he got to atone for his sins and claimed to have with no regrets left. Once Sayo found out about the horrible things Kinzo did, she felt Kinzo didn't deserve to die in such a satisfying way.]]
21st Aug '17 5:53:27 AM TaylorHyuuga
Is there an issue? Send a Message
21st Aug '17 5:47:04 AM TaylorHyuuga
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* NiceGuy: Played with: he used to be one in [[EntitledToHaveYou the most unflattering sense possible]], which Shannon [[TheGadfly teases]] him about even now. He's now closer to the genuine article, though probably not as much as he thinks; some of the things he says and does, like his inner thoughts about how he enjoys "playing with Shannon's feelings" as much as he likes and his proposal to her in [=EP1=] ("Accept this ring, that's an order"), still tend to come across as condescending.

to:

* NiceGuy: Played with: he used to be one in [[EntitledToHaveYou the most unflattering sense possible]], which Shannon [[TheGadfly teases]] him about even now. He's now closer to the genuine article, though probably not as much as he thinks; some of the things he says and does, like his inner thoughts about how he enjoys "playing with Shannon's feelings" as much as he likes and his proposal to her in [=EP1=] ("Accept this ring, that's an order"), still tend to come across as condescending.
21st Aug '17 4:02:52 AM TaylorHyuuga
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AloofBigBrother: It's implied he can be rather neglectful of Ange, since it took him ''3 games'' to remember he had a little sister that would need him, and the fact that he only visited her on her birthdays leaves much to think this.
26th Jul '17 1:41:29 PM sorako
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* SupportingProtagonist: Battler is the main view point character and essentially the hero of the fantasy side of the story. However, when you look at it with hindsight, ''Umineko'' is actually about [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda, their complicated issues and the conflict between their personas]].

to:

* SupportingProtagonist: Battler is the main view point character and essentially the hero of the fantasy side of the story. However, when you look at it with hindsight, ''Umineko'' is actually about [[spoiler:Sayo Yasuda, their complicated issues Yasuda and Battler understanding the conflict between their personas]].Sayo's personas and her motives for murder]].



* TogetherInDeath: [[spoiler:It's implied in the fantasy ending and confirmed in the manga that Battler managed to escape from Rokkenjima with Sayo/Beatrice's help, but when Sayo threw themself into the sea Battler followed and drowned with Sayo. The Battler we know indeed died at that time, but his physical body survived and became Tooya Hachijo.]]

to:

* TogetherInDeath: [[spoiler:It's implied in the fantasy ending and confirmed in the manga that Battler managed to escape from Rokkenjima with Sayo/Beatrice's help, but when Sayo threw themself herself into the sea Battler followed and drowned with Sayo. The Battler we know indeed died at that time, but his physical body survived and became Tooya Hachijo.]]



* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: [[spoiler:To Sayo Yasuda. When Jessica asked Sayo/Shannon whether Kanon had a girlfriend Sayo was baffled that someone could love their "male" half. Having troubles with forgetting about Battler and fearing that "Shannon" and George's relationship wouldn't last, Sayo started to contemplate the idea of having a romance as a boy. Then they fell in love with Jessica during the school festival, which only worsened their internal issues.]]

to:

* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: [[spoiler:To Sayo Yasuda. When Jessica asked Sayo/Shannon whether Kanon had a girlfriend Sayo was baffled that someone could love their her "male" half. Having troubles with forgetting about Battler and fearing that "Shannon" and George's relationship wouldn't last, Sayo started to contemplate the idea of having a romance as a boy. Then they she fell in love with Jessica during the school festival, which only worsened their her internal issues.]]



* TheAtoner: Turns out the whole deal with the epitaph was actually his wild gamble to [[spoiler:establish contact with Sayo, grant them the headship, and try to somehow make up for for what he did to his daughter Beatrice]].

to:

* TheAtoner: Turns out the whole deal with the epitaph was actually his wild gamble to [[spoiler:establish contact with Sayo, grant them her the headship, and try to somehow make up for for what he did to his daughter Beatrice]].



* EvilIsNotAToy: Reviving a witch who requires your entire family to be sacrificed doesn't seem like a good idea to begin with, and sure enough, he's found as one of the sacrifices in most of the early arcs. [[spoiler:Subverted; he actually died two years prior of natural causes, after meeting Sayo and granting them the headship.]]

to:

* EvilIsNotAToy: Reviving a witch who requires your entire family to be sacrificed doesn't seem like a good idea to begin with, and sure enough, he's found as one of the sacrifices in most of the early arcs. [[spoiler:Subverted; he actually died two years prior of natural causes, after meeting Sayo and granting them her the headship.]]



** Notably, this happens to him ''in-universe'': [[spoiler:he was dead by the time of the murders, which means the "Kinzo" we see in the first episodes is based on how Yasu viewed him]].

to:

** Notably, this happens to him ''in-universe'': [[spoiler:he was dead by the time of the murders, which means the "Kinzo" we see in the first episodes is based on how Yasu Sayo Yasuda viewed him]].



* AGoodWayToDie: [[spoiler:Moments before dying, Kinzo got to meet "Beatrice" (Sayo in disguise) one last time and ask for her forgiveness for having raped her. He also passed the family headship to Lion/Sayo, his and Beatrice's child, as he always wanted and got Lion/Sayo to call him "Father" for first and last time. Kinzo then died feeling he got to atone for his sins and claimed to have no regrets left. Once Sayo found out about the horrible things Kinzo did, they felt Kinzo didn't deserve to die in such a satisfying way.]]

to:

* AGoodWayToDie: [[spoiler:Moments before dying, Kinzo got to meet "Beatrice" (Sayo in disguise) one last time and ask for her forgiveness for having raped her. He also passed the family headship to Lion/Sayo, his and Beatrice's child, as he always wanted and got Lion/Sayo to call him "Father" for first and last time. Kinzo then died feeling he got to atone for his sins and claimed to have no regrets left. Once Sayo found out about the horrible things Kinzo did, they she felt Kinzo didn't deserve to die in such a satisfying way.]]



* KarmaHoudini: In a way (see AGoodWayToDie above). [[spoiler:He died peacefully and with no regrets, without ever getting any comeuppance for the horrible things he did, and without caring one bit for what his child might have to endure after becoming the Head. That obviously didn't sit too well with Sayo, who made sure he did get his comeuppance in every Episode they wrote.]]

to:

* KarmaHoudini: In a way (see AGoodWayToDie above). [[spoiler:He died peacefully and with no regrets, without ever getting any comeuppance for the horrible things he did, and without caring one bit for what his child might have to endure after becoming the Head. That obviously didn't sit too well with Sayo, who made sure he did get his comeuppance in every Episode they she wrote.]]



* ArtificialHuman: According to an anti-mystery perspective. [[spoiler:From an anti-fantasy perspective, it's subverted: she and Kanon don't consider themselves human due to their true identity Sayo Yasuda's insecurities about [[AmbiguousGender their]] damaged sexual organs, since they believe that they may as well be "furniture" because of it.]]

to:

* ArtificialHuman: According to an anti-mystery perspective. [[spoiler:From an anti-fantasy perspective, it's subverted: she and Kanon don't consider themselves human due to their true identity Sayo Yasuda's insecurities about [[AmbiguousGender their]] her damaged sexual organs, since they believe she believes that they she may as well be "furniture" because of it.]]



** [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] in [=EP6=] where she outright tells Kanon that as long as he doesn't get in the way of her love for George, he'll be fine. [[spoiler: Cue to the end of the arc where they have a DuelToTheDeath and she kills Kanon because his love for Jessica wasn't strong enough. Of course, in the end, that was all a representation of Sayo Yasuda's internal struggle--Sayo believes that in order to be with George, their "ugly" Kanon self which hides all of their bitterness and pessimism must "die" since George wants a shy, docile and optimistic wife, not a bitter, pessimistic Sayo.]]

to:

** [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] in [=EP6=] where she outright tells Kanon that as long as he doesn't get in the way of her love for George, he'll be fine. [[spoiler: Cue to the end of the arc where they have a DuelToTheDeath and she kills Kanon because his love for Jessica wasn't strong enough. Of course, in the end, that was all a representation of Sayo Yasuda's internal struggle--Sayo believes that in order to be with George, their her "ugly" Kanon self which hides all of their her bitterness and pessimism must "die" since George wants a shy, docile and optimistic wife, not a bitter, pessimistic Sayo.]]



* TheKirk: She's in the middle between Beatrice and Kanon; Shannon wants to find love and happiness with George and actively builds their relationship, but she still carries her insecurities from her furniture complex and how George will react to the truth about her. [[spoiler:Shannon is the persona closest to the core of Sayo Yasuda, who is constantly torn between their conflicting feelings represented by Beatrice and Kanon.]]

to:

* TheKirk: She's in the middle between Beatrice and Kanon; Shannon wants to find love and happiness with George and actively builds their relationship, but she still carries her insecurities from her furniture complex and how George will react to the truth about her. [[spoiler:Shannon is the persona closest to the core of Sayo Yasuda, who is constantly torn between their her conflicting feelings represented by Beatrice and Kanon.]]



* ShipperOnDeck: For Jessica and Kanon. She usually encourages Kanon to accept his feelings for Jessica and try to make a progress in his relationship with her, although he keeps insisting that's impossible because he's furniture. [[spoiler:Of course, this is actually Sayo Yasuda trying to be honest with themself about their feelings for Jessica, despite their broken body and their relationship with George.]]

to:

* ShipperOnDeck: For Jessica and Kanon. She usually encourages Kanon to accept his feelings for Jessica and try to make a progress in his relationship with her, although he keeps insisting that's impossible because he's furniture. [[spoiler:Of course, this is actually Sayo Yasuda trying to be honest with themself herself about their feelings for Jessica, despite their broken body and their relationship with George.]]



* ImaginaryFriend: [[spoiler: Sayo originally created Kanon as an imaginary brother for Shannon, who in turn was an ImaginaryFriend to Sayo. Later, Sayo started to play the role of Kanon's character to cope with his/her gender issues.]]

to:

* ImaginaryFriend: [[spoiler: Sayo originally created Kanon as an imaginary brother for Shannon, who in turn was an ImaginaryFriend to Sayo. Later, Sayo started to play the role of Kanon's character to cope with his/her her gender issues.]]
15th Jul '17 3:52:17 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* TroubledAbuser: Kinzo was manipulated as the heir to the Ushiromiya family, made to marry a woman he didn't love, sent himself off to WorldWarII [[DeathSeeker while hoping he'd be killed on the front so his misery would end]] [[spoiler: and finally met his true love, Beatrice Castiglioni, only to have her and later their daughter both die]]. He winds up half-insane, is abusive to most of his children (expecially to Eva, by denying her the right to be the heir purely for her gender despite being more talented in business than her eldest brother Krauss) [[spoiler: and has a child with his illegitimate daughter, Beatrice Ushiromiya, through rape]].

to:

* TroubledAbuser: Kinzo was manipulated as the heir to the Ushiromiya family, made to marry a woman he didn't love, sent himself off to WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII [[DeathSeeker while hoping he'd be killed on the front so his misery would end]] [[spoiler: and finally met his true love, Beatrice Castiglioni, only to have her and later their daughter both die]]. He winds up half-insane, is abusive to most of his children (expecially to Eva, by denying her the right to be the heir purely for her gender despite being more talented in business than her eldest brother Krauss) [[spoiler: and has a child with his illegitimate daughter, Beatrice Ushiromiya, through rape]].
5th Jun '17 12:29:46 AM sorako
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AdaptationalHeroism: An in-universe example. In most of the games, Kinzo is portrayed as a temperamental, grumpy and crazy old man who doesn't give a crap about his family and only seems to care about Beatrice. The game of [=EP8=], on the other hand, has him acting as a fun CoolOldGuy and a caring family member who clearly loves his children and grandchildren. While that game's nature is left ambiguous, [=EP8=] Kinzō is implied to be a version of him that ''could'' have existed, had he not descended into madness, or at least a representation of a part of him that existed deep down.

to:

* AdaptationalHeroism: AdaptationalNiceGuy: An in-universe example. In most of the games, Kinzo is portrayed as a temperamental, grumpy and crazy old man who doesn't give a crap about his family and only seems to care about Beatrice. The game of [=EP8=], on the other hand, has him acting as a fun CoolOldGuy and a caring family member who clearly loves his children and grandchildren. While that game's nature is left ambiguous, [=EP8=] Kinzō is implied to be a version of him that ''could'' have existed, had he not descended into madness, or at least a representation of a part of him that existed deep down.
16th May '17 4:51:47 AM Lyendith
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* KarmaHoudini: In a way (see AGoodWayToDie above). [[spoiler:He died peacefully and with no regrets, without ever getting any comeuppance for the horrible things he did, and without caring one bit for what his child might have to endure after becoming the Head. That obviously didn't sit too well with Sayo, who'll make sure he does get his comeuppance in every Episode they write.]]

to:

* KarmaHoudini: In a way (see AGoodWayToDie above). [[spoiler:He died peacefully and with no regrets, without ever getting any comeuppance for the horrible things he did, and without caring one bit for what his child might have to endure after becoming the Head. That obviously didn't sit too well with Sayo, who'll make who made sure he does did get his comeuppance in every Episode they write.wrote.]]
16th May '17 4:49:54 AM Lyendith
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* KarmaHoudini: In a way (see AGoodWayToDie above). [[spoiler:He died peacefully and with no regrets, without ever getting any comeuppance for the horrible things he did, and without caring one bit for what his child might have to endure after becoming the Head. That obviously didn't sit too well with Sayo, who'll make sure he does get his comeuppance in every Episode they write.]]
This list shows the last 10 events of 912. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.UminekoWhenTheyCry1986Humans