History Characters / TheOrderOfTheStickTheEmpireOfBlood

26th Aug '16 2:19:05 AM Az_Tech341
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** His subtle machinations and keen political savvy show him as an evil counterpart to Lord Shojo. To elaborate, he rules The Empire of Blood with an iron fist through DecoyLeader's while pretending to just be a high-ranking citizen. Meanwhile, Shojo rules Azure City benevolently while letting the high-ranking citizens believe they're TheManBehindTheMan. Lord Shojo is happy to manipulate people from the background while Tarquin [[BigBadWannabe has to be the leader.]]

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** His subtle machinations and keen political savvy show him as an evil counterpart to Lord Shojo. To elaborate, he rules The Empire of Blood with an iron fist through DecoyLeader's [[DecoyLeader decoy leaders]] while pretending to just be a high-ranking citizen. Meanwhile, Shojo rules Azure City benevolently while letting the high-ranking citizens believe they're TheManBehindTheMan. Lord Shojo is happy to manipulate people from the background while Tarquin [[BigBadWannabe has to be the leader.]]
25th Aug '16 3:31:39 PM StFan
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** His subtle machinations and keen political savvy show him as an evil counterpart to Lord Shojo.
*** To elaborate he rules The Empire of Blood with an iron fist through DecoyLeader's while pretending to just be a high ranking citizen while Shojo rules Azure City benevolently while letting the high ranking citizens believe their TheManBehindTheMan, Lord Shojo is happy to manipulate people from the background while Tarquin [[BigBadWannabe has to be the leader.]]

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** His subtle machinations and keen political savvy show him as an evil counterpart to Lord Shojo.
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Shojo. To elaborate elaborate, he rules The Empire of Blood with an iron fist through DecoyLeader's while pretending to just be a high ranking citizen while high-ranking citizen. Meanwhile, Shojo rules Azure City benevolently while letting the high ranking high-ranking citizens believe their TheManBehindTheMan, they're TheManBehindTheMan. Lord Shojo is happy to manipulate people from the background while Tarquin [[BigBadWannabe has to be the leader.]]
25th Aug '16 12:35:58 PM MattP5557
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*** To elaborate he rules The Empire of Blood with an iron fist through DecoyLeader's while pretending to just be a high ranking citizen while Shojo rules Azure City benevolently while letting the high ranking citizens believe their TheManBehindTheMan, Lord Shojo is happy to manipulate people from the background while Tarquin [[BigBadWannabe has to be the leader.]]
27th Jul '16 6:31:41 PM Matt620
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* EnemyMine: [[spoiler:Teams up with Ganji, Enor, and Ian Starshine for her rebellion against Tarquin.]]

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* EnemyMine: CrusadingWidower: Widow since she's female, but she fulfills the trope to rescue her nation and avenge the death of her husband.
* EnemyMine:
** Nale was going to recruit her to the Linear Guild, although Sabine wasn't keen on the idea. Doesn't go anywhere since [[spoiler: Nale is killed by Tarquin.]]
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[[spoiler:Teams up with Ganji, Enor, and Ian Starshine for her rebellion against Tarquin.]]



* HeroOfAnotherStory: She's not part of the Order's battles to protect the Gates because she's too busy protecting the Free City of Doom from conquest.
* ItsPersonal: Tarquin made sure that her husband, another soldier, was killed when the Empire of Blood helped the Empire of Tears conquer the Free City of Doom. This makes her grudge against the general personal.

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* HappilyMarried: Until her husband is killed, at least. Also refuses Tarquin's advances precisely because she is married.
* HeroOfAnotherStory: She's not part of the Order's battles to protect the Gates because she's too busy protecting retaking the Free City of Doom from conquest.
* ItsPersonal: Tarquin made sure that her husband, another soldier, was killed when the Empire of Blood helped the Empire of Tears conquer the Free City of Doom. This makes her grudge against the general personal.While Amun-Zora doesn't mention him to [[spoiler: Ian]], it's a prime motivator for her.


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* MistakenIdentity: PlayedForLaughs but also used as a clever plot point. Elan looks into a prison cell, hoping to get help in his fight against Nale. Unfortunately, Amun-Zora believes Elan to be her foe, since he's Tarquin's son. However, Elan uses it to his advantage by freeing Amun-Zora and slipping her a sword, causing her to charge out of her cell straight into Nale, whom she mistakes for Elan, allowing the real one to get away.
27th Jul '16 12:59:50 PM Morgenthaler
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* ArchnemesisDad: A fact that he is ''thrilled'' about, considering his [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Dangerous Genre Savvy]] and [[EvilIsCool personal slant]] [[LoveToHate about heroic stories]].

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* ArchnemesisDad: A fact that he is ''thrilled'' about, considering his [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Dangerous Genre Savvy]] GenreSavvy and [[EvilIsCool personal slant]] [[LoveToHate about heroic stories]].



* DangerouslyGenreSavvy: In his handbook to the guards, he includes items straight from the EvilOverlordList. Not only has he read the List, it is later revealed that his big EvilPlan is based around not just genre Tropes, but ''AudienceReactions'', specifically LoveToHate, EvilIsCool, and a hefty dosage of YouBastard. He's even willing to allow the Order to take on Xykon because he knows that [[EvilVersusEvil villain-versus-villain]] confrontations are always a toss-up between the bad guys, while the heroes are more narratively-equipped to defeat the villain. It's also his main contribution to his little team. Being their leader, and a brilliant strategist, and so on, are largely untrue manifestations of his over-inflated opinion of himself. All in all, he comes off as a sociopath whose only attachment to people is trying to make them fulfill tropes and archetypes, and a huge TakeThat to a GenreSavvy villain.



* DeconstructedCharacterArchetype: Of the DangerouslyGenreSavvy villain. While it does make him a smart and deadly opponent who can form plans efficiently, he also treats other people as nothing more than plot devices and has a chilling LackOfEmpathy towards those he kills.

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* DeconstructedCharacterArchetype: Of the DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy villain. While it does make him a smart and deadly opponent who can form plans efficiently, he also treats other people as nothing more than plot devices and has a chilling LackOfEmpathy towards those he kills.



* GenreBlind: For all his [[GenreSavvy savviness]], for all of his [[TheChessmaster scheming]] and [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy using tropes]] to become the [[EvilOverlord evil general]] destined for a [[FinalBoss one-on-one duel]] with TheHero for the fate of the world, he has one enormous blind spot, which [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html Elan points out]].

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* GenreBlind: For all his [[GenreSavvy savviness]], for all of his [[TheChessmaster scheming]] and [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy [[GenreSavvy using tropes]] to become the [[EvilOverlord evil general]] destined for a [[FinalBoss one-on-one duel]] with TheHero for the fate of the world, he has one enormous blind spot, which [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html Elan points out]].



** Has no desire to outreach his grasp, knows the difference between family and philosophy, and is even willing to help the heroes prevent world domination. [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy This last one is because that would interfere with his regional domination.]] This makes him a wonderful {{foil}} for Nale, who is ''crippled'' by his [[ItsAllAboutMe gigantic ego]].

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** Has no desire to outreach his grasp, knows the difference between family and philosophy, and is even willing to help the heroes prevent world domination. [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy [[GenreSavvy This last one is because that would interfere with his regional domination.]] This makes him a wonderful {{foil}} for Nale, who is ''crippled'' by his [[ItsAllAboutMe gigantic ego]].



* SmugSnake: While considerably more intelligent and competent than Nale, his DangerouslyGenreSavvy image is little more than a veneer, as considering his obsession with "proper" story structure (and subsequent fury when things don't go the way he thinks they're "supposed" to) combined with a ''hugely'' inflated sense of his own importance in the grand scheme of things (he thinks he's the BigBad when he's really no more than an ArcVillain) as well as the [[VillainousBreakdown petulant, childish tantrums]] he flies into when events don't go exactly as he wants them to, point to this trope.

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* SmugSnake: While considerably more intelligent and competent than Nale, his DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy image is little more than a veneer, as considering his obsession with "proper" story structure (and subsequent fury when things don't go the way he thinks they're "supposed" to) combined with a ''hugely'' inflated sense of his own importance in the grand scheme of things (he thinks he's the BigBad when he's really no more than an ArcVillain) as well as the [[VillainousBreakdown petulant, childish tantrums]] he flies into when events don't go exactly as he wants them to, point to this trope.



* {{Troperiffic}}: Intentionally, so that he'll be remembered. It's working, judging by the [[EntryPimping number of trope pages he's either quoted or pictured on]], including WhatIsEvil, FightSceneFailure, BreadAndCircuses, MultilayerFacade, and DangerouslyGenreSavvy.

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* {{Troperiffic}}: Intentionally, so that he'll be remembered. It's working, judging by the [[EntryPimping number of trope pages he's either quoted or pictured on]], including WhatIsEvil, FightSceneFailure, BreadAndCircuses, MultilayerFacade, and DangerouslyGenreSavvy.GenreSavvy.



** He starts to lose his cool upon seeing Elan embrace his role as the support for his team instead of being the leader in #927. Notably this is the first time in comic he genuinely looks ''angry''. He follows this up in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0930.html #930]] by abandoning his DangerouslyGenreSavvy trappings and pride in his son's use of plot in favor of attempted {{Railroading}} of Elan's role in the Order of the Stick.

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** He starts to lose his cool upon seeing Elan embrace his role as the support for his team instead of being the leader in #927. Notably this is the first time in comic he genuinely looks ''angry''. He follows this up in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0930.html #930]] by abandoning his DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy trappings and pride in his son's use of plot in favor of attempted {{Railroading}} of Elan's role in the Order of the Stick.



* YouAreWhatYouHate: He frequently mentioned that Nale's ego was Nale's FatalFlaw and talked about how he despised that trait and how it held Nale back, but Tarquin proves himself to be NotSoDifferent when he refuses to accept that he's just an ArcVillain rather than the BigBad, and that his other son is the PluckyComicRelief rather than TheHero. In Tarquin's mind, he and his progeny are obviously far too important to play a mere supporting role; they ''must'' be the center of the story. This causes his legendary DangerouslyGenreSavvy status into becoming increasingly WrongGenreSavvy. The same ego that he despised in Nale is the source of his own VillainousBreakdown.

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* YouAreWhatYouHate: He frequently mentioned that Nale's ego was Nale's FatalFlaw and talked about how he despised that trait and how it held Nale back, but Tarquin proves himself to be NotSoDifferent when he refuses to accept that he's just an ArcVillain rather than the BigBad, and that his other son is the PluckyComicRelief rather than TheHero. In Tarquin's mind, he and his progeny are obviously far too important to play a mere supporting role; they ''must'' be the center of the story. This causes his legendary DangerouslyGenreSavvy GenreSavvy status into becoming increasingly WrongGenreSavvy. The same ego that he despised in Nale is the source of his own VillainousBreakdown.



* DangerouslyGenreSavvy: Not to his friend Tarquin's extent, but he understands how to use VancianMagic limits to his advantage. [[spoiler:Such as being able to use his vampiric dominating gaze until the cows come home on a would-be rescuer while he recovers from a beating. He also leaves a back door in the Mass Death Ward spell he helps Durkon develop: a password that allows him to dismiss it. He's also smart enough to keep multiple sources of his vitally important ''Protection from Daylight'' spell around.]]
17th Jul '16 7:28:10 PM Discar
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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: The meaningfully-titled strip [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0875.html "Calm, Orderly, and Efficient"]] reveals that Malack plans to take over the Empire after Tarquin's death and expand it further so that he can offer a thousand sentient sacrifices a day to his god. He finds Tarquin's arenas inefficient and plans to develop some kind of "special chamber" to speed things up. [[http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14808112&postcount=125 it was an intended reference]] to ''Film/SoylentGreen''. See OutsideContextVillain below for details.

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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: The meaningfully-titled strip [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0875.html "Calm, Orderly, and Efficient"]] reveals that Malack plans to take over the Empire after Tarquin's death and expand it further so that he can offer a thousand sentient sacrifices a day to his god. He finds Tarquin's arenas inefficient and plans to develop some kind of "special chamber" to speed things up. [[http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14808112&postcount=125 it was an intended reference]] to ''Film/SoylentGreen''. See OutsideContextVillain OutsideContextProblem below for details.



* OutsideContextVillain: More like out-of-context villain''y''; as noted in ANaziByAnyOtherName, his commented intention of creating "special chambers" for purposeful and efficient slaughter of humanoids comes off as a gas chamber reference, but was intended to be a ''Film/SoylentGreen'' reference (plus a nod to real-life slaughterhouses). The comic lacks the forum-posted explanation that, when Malack takes control of the Empire, he will turn it into a combination of theocracy and [[spoiler:TheNecrocracy, by creating a legion of vampire spawn priests of Nergal to administer to the mortal populace. The sacrifices to Nergal will serve dual purpose as holy offerings and as a way to feed the haemovoric nobility he will lead]]; the "special chambers", then, are butchering rooms.

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* OutsideContextVillain: More like out-of-context villain''y''; as OutsideContextProblem: As noted in ANaziByAnyOtherName, his commented intention of creating "special chambers" for purposeful and efficient slaughter of humanoids comes off as a gas chamber reference, but was intended to be a ''Film/SoylentGreen'' reference (plus a nod to real-life slaughterhouses). The comic lacks the forum-posted explanation that, when Malack takes control of the Empire, he will turn it into a combination of theocracy and [[spoiler:TheNecrocracy, by creating a legion of vampire spawn priests of Nergal to administer to the mortal populace. The sacrifices to Nergal will serve dual purpose as holy offerings and as a way to feed the haemovoric nobility he will lead]]; the "special chambers", then, are butchering rooms.
2nd Jul '16 2:35:36 AM StFan
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* AboveGoodAndEvil: Claims to be this in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0760.html "Realizations & Rationalizations"]]. Though he later [[CardCarryingVillain openly refers to himself as a villain]], so it's hard to tell if he believes it at all. As the story progress it's pretty clear he is too insane to actually have a moral system, he simply believes in narrative role and he takes the villain role.



* AboveGoodAndEvil: Claims to be this in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0760.html "Realizations & Rationalizations"]]. Though he later [[CardCarryingVillain openly refers to himself as a villain]], so it's hard to tell if he believes it at all. As the story progress it's pretty clear he is too insane to actually have a moral system, he simply believes in narrative role and he takes the villain role.
* AppealToTradition: An unhealthy side to his narrative fixation is his failure to understand how stories have moved on and developed since his day. Notably, Julio Scoundrèl riles him up ''because'' his stories are subversive.



* AppealToTradition: An unhealthy side to his narrative fixation is his failure to understand how stories have moved on and developed since his day. Notably, Julio Scoundrèl riles him up ''because'' his stories are subversive.



* ArrowCatch: Repeatedly. First time he caught Haley's arrow, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0851.html he used it to stab Belkar.]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0858.html It backfired the second time]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html and the fourth time.]]

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* ArrowCatch: Repeatedly. First time he caught catches Haley's arrow, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0851.html he used uses it to stab Belkar.]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0858.html It backfired backfires the second time]] [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html and the fourth time.]]



* BerserkButton: In short, any affront to his ego. A patron of his wife's tavern grabs her butt? He murders everyone in the tavern. Talk to him like an equal? Frames you for murder. Make him a second fiddle villain and allow his son to be a ''minor'' character? THAT is the last straw. When Elan defers to Roy ''again'' -- in front of him, no less -- in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0927.html #927]], you can see Tarquin's palpable rage.
* BigBadWannabe: He feels it only fits narrative convention for him to be this to Elan and thus tries very hard to force the set up. Even among his own party, Tarquin is not the leader. Neither Malack, Laurin, or Miron have any interest in doing what he says, they mostly just put up with it because Tarquin's narrative logic assists in their own personal motives, and is quite profitable to boot. He has to cajole and run on a system of favors in order to get them to do anything for him. His military prowess is stated to come from elsewhere in the party. Even Julio Scoundrél only considers him one of his "B-list villains". [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0865.html Lampshaded]] by Durkon when he came up with a plan to push him back. The plan sounds good to stop Tarquin but he knows it would just be a speed bump for Xykon, who is the real threat.

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* BerserkButton: In short, any affront to his ego. A patron of his wife's tavern grabs her butt? He murders everyone in the tavern. Talk to him like an equal? Frames you for murder. Make him a second fiddle second-fiddle villain and allow his son to be a ''minor'' character? THAT is the last straw. When Elan defers to Roy ''again'' -- in front of him, no less -- in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0927.html #927]], you can see Tarquin's palpable rage.
* BigBadWannabe: He feels it only fits narrative convention for him to be this to the main villain for Elan and thus tries very hard to force the set up. Even among his own party, Tarquin is not the leader. Neither Malack, Laurin, or Miron have any interest in doing what he says, they mostly just put up with it because Tarquin's narrative logic assists in their own personal motives, and is quite profitable to boot. He has to cajole and run on a system of favors in order to get them to do anything for him. His military prowess is stated to come from elsewhere in the party. Even Julio Scoundrél only considers him one of his "B-list villains". [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0865.html Lampshaded]] by Durkon when he came up with a plan to push him back. The plan sounds good to stop Tarquin but he knows it would just be a speed bump for Xykon, who is the real threat.



--->'''Tarquin:''' I'm sorry, Elan, but you brought this all on yourself. I tried to give you a dramatically significant death scene to swear vengeance over, but you seem to prefer this... this disjoined anarchy. There's no unity of theme here at all!\\

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--->'''Tarquin:''' I'm sorry, Elan, but you brought this all on yourself. I tried to give you a dramatically significant death scene to swear vengeance over, but you seem to prefer this... this disjoined disjointed anarchy. There's no unity of theme here at all!\\



'''Tarquin:''' (''grabbing Elan, face twisted with rage'') Yes, and it didn't go right, so we are DOING IT AGAIN. And we will CONTINUE to do it until you understand that it is in your best interest to...

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'''Tarquin:''' (''grabbing ''[grabbing Elan, face twisted with rage'') rage]'' Yes, and it didn't go right, so we are DOING IT AGAIN. And we will CONTINUE to do it until you understand that it is in your best interest to...



* DangerouslyGenreSavvy: In his handbook to the guards, he includes items straight from the EvilOverlordList. Not only has he read the List, it is later revealed that his big EvilPlan is based around not just genre Tropes, but ''AudienceReactions'', specifically LoveToHate, EvilIsCool, and a hefty dosage of YouBastard. He's even willing to allow the Order to take on Xykon because he knows that [[EvilVersusEvil villain-versus-villain]] confrontations are always a toss-up between the bad guys, while the heroes are more narratively-equipped to defeat the villain. It's also his main contribution to his little team. Being their leader, and a brilliant strategist, and so on, are largely untrue manifestations of his overinflated opinion of himself. All in all, he comes off as a sociopath whose only attachment to people is trying to make them fulfill tropes and archetypes, and a huge TakeThat to a GenreSavvy villain.

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* DangerouslyGenreSavvy: In his handbook to the guards, he includes items straight from the EvilOverlordList. Not only has he read the List, it is later revealed that his big EvilPlan is based around not just genre Tropes, but ''AudienceReactions'', specifically LoveToHate, EvilIsCool, and a hefty dosage of YouBastard. He's even willing to allow the Order to take on Xykon because he knows that [[EvilVersusEvil villain-versus-villain]] confrontations are always a toss-up between the bad guys, while the heroes are more narratively-equipped to defeat the villain. It's also his main contribution to his little team. Being their leader, and a brilliant strategist, and so on, are largely untrue manifestations of his overinflated over-inflated opinion of himself. All in all, he comes off as a sociopath whose only attachment to people is trying to make them fulfill tropes and archetypes, and a huge TakeThat to a GenreSavvy villain.



* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Despite his tyrannical attitude, he still cares deeply about Elan and seems averse to the idea of killing Nale. After he finally brings himself to kill Nale, he decides that he needs to be more careful with managing Elan. His former party also seem to be genuine friends, given their reactions to Malack's death. [[WordOfGod The Giant]], pointedly, warns us that this is very misleading. Tarquin, he says, probably believed that he loved his son right up until the moment when he had to choose between letting his son live and relinquishing the least bit of control over his life. Then he (and the audience) got to see what ''really'' mattered to him.

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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Despite his tyrannical attitude, he still cares deeply about Elan and seems averse to the idea of killing Nale. After he finally brings himself to kill Nale, he decides that he needs to be more careful with managing Elan. His former party also seem to be genuine friends, given their reactions to Malack's death. [[WordOfGod The Giant]], pointedly, warns us that this is very misleading. Tarquin, he says, probably believed that he loved his son right up until the moment when he had has to choose between letting his son live and relinquishing the least bit of control over his life. Then he (and the audience) got get to see what ''really'' mattered matters to him.



** Commentary from the Giant in the "Blood in the Family" book reveal Tarquin is one to Miko Miyazaki in a narrative sense. As Miko obstructed the Order of the Stick despite being completely in tune with their ethics, Tarquin was nothing but helpful [[spoiler: at least in the beginning]] despite being completely ethically opposed.

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** Commentary from the Giant in the "Blood in the Family" book reveal Tarquin is one to Miko Miyazaki in a narrative sense. As Miko obstructed the Order of the Stick despite being completely in tune with their ethics, Tarquin was nothing but helpful [[spoiler: at [[spoiler:at least in the beginning]] despite being completely ethically opposed.



** Tarquin offers to send 500 of his troops to "join the battle" between the Free City of Doom and the Empire of Tears, to attempt to get a petitioner to sleep with him. [[note]]It doesn't work. He fails to mention ''which side'' his troops would be on.[[/note]]

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** Tarquin offers to send 500 of his troops to "join the battle" between the Free City of Doom and the Empire of Tears, to attempt to get a petitioner to sleep with him. [[note]]It doesn't work. He fails to mention ''which side'' his troops would be on.[[/note]]



* FauxAffablyEvil: He initially comes off as cheerful, friendly, and all-around pleasant despite his tendencies towards brutality and petty revenges; but when he's under pressure, the facade snaps. As he tries to separate his life as an evil overlord and his personal life, one corrupts and colors the other.

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* FauxAffablyEvil: He initially comes off as cheerful, friendly, and all-around pleasant despite his tendencies towards brutality and petty revenges; but when he's under pressure, the facade façade snaps. As he tries to separate his life as an evil overlord and his personal life, one corrupts and colors the other.



* {{Irony}}: What he says at the end of the arc is completely backwards. [[spoiler:[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html Elan has lost a lot during the arc.]] His brother is dead, his friend was killed and raised as a vampire, his naivety died, and he realizes that his father is completely irredeemable, among other things. Many of the heroes have marked growth as well. From both a subjective and objective point of view, the ending to the arc can be considered very satisfying and the team has enough closure to put off taking out Tarquin for the "sequel". If anything, Tarquin lost MORE than anyone else during the arc. He lost his wife, a lot of resources including an entire army squad, he spent the favor that Miron owed him, he lost the Gate and the chance to study it to Laurin (though that may have saved his life), he has lost both his sons and his best friend, and now has an entire resistance organized against him (running with a very decent plan that they got from ELAN). Despite this it seems that he is the ONLY character that had no real growth besides a VillainousBreakdown. No word yet as to whether that will make him wise up and become more savvy for the future, though.]]



* {{Irony}}: What he says at the end of the arc is completely backwards. [[spoiler:[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html Elan has lost a lot during the arc.]] His brother is killed, his friend was killed and raised as a vampire, his naivety died, and he realizes that his father is completely irredeemable, among other things. Many of the heroes had marked growth as well. From both a subjective and objective point of view, the ending to the arc can be considered very satisfying and the team had enough closure to put off taking out Tarquin for the "sequel". If anything, Tarquin lost MORE than anyone else during the arc. He lost his wife, a lot of resources including an entire army squad, he spent the favor that Miron owed him, he lost the Gate and the chance to study it to Laurin (though that may have saved his life), he has lost both his sons and his best friend, and now has an entire resistance organized against him (running with a very decent plan that they got from ELAN). Despite this it seems that he is the ONLY character that had no real growth besides a VillainousBreakdown. No word yet as to whether that will make him wise up and become more savvy for the future, though.]]



* MadeOfIron: Survives a fall from an extreme height, notable because this is [[spoiler: how ''Roy'' died]]. It helps that he's an very high-level character with plenty of levels in a fighting class. And that he didn't [[spoiler: get hit by a (possibly maximized/empowered) Meteor Swarm]] before [[spoiler: he fell]]

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* MadeOfIron: Survives a fall from an extreme height, notable because this is [[spoiler: how [[spoiler:how ''Roy'' died]]. It helps that he's an very high-level character with plenty of levels in a fighting class. And that he didn't [[spoiler: get [[spoiler:get hit by a (possibly maximized/empowered) Meteor Swarm]] before [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he fell]]



* NarrativeCausality: A great believer in [[GenreSavvy the trends in stories.]] (a trait that Elan has inherited)

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* NarrativeCausality: A great believer in [[GenreSavvy the trends in stories.]] stories]] (a trait that Elan has inherited)inherited).



* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain:
** Though he's charming to women in general (Haley, being his son's paramour gets nothing more than [[IKissYourHand a kiss on the hand]], and later notes that he's rather attractive), his actions towards women he desires that ''aren't'' receptive to his attentions are repulsive. Haley figures out it's him pretending to be Thog because he stops to tell a casually-sexist anecdote in mid-battle. His opinion of Haley takes a nosedive when he learns who her father is. "Now that I know you come from such lowly stock..."

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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain:
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PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Though he's charming to women in general (Haley, being his son's paramour gets nothing more than [[IKissYourHand a kiss on the hand]], and later notes that he's rather attractive), his actions towards women he desires that ''aren't'' receptive to his attentions are repulsive. Haley figures out it's him pretending to be Thog because he stops to tell a casually-sexist anecdote in mid-battle. His opinion of Haley takes a nosedive when he learns who her father is. "Now that I know you come from such lowly stock..."



* SpinAttack: Does something between this and GrievousHarmWithABody to Durkon.



* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: He claims that the natives of the Western Continent are better off under a few big oppressive empires than they were under smaller countries and nation-states that were always at war with each other. Given that he plans to hand off control to Malack who will [[spoiler: sacrifice 1000 people a day]], all he'll be doing is [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans replacing chaotic slaughter with an organized one]].

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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: He claims that the natives of the Western Continent are better off under a few big oppressive empires than they were under smaller countries and nation-states that were always at war with each other. Given that he plans to hand off control to Malack who will [[spoiler: sacrifice [[spoiler:sacrifice 1000 people a day]], all he'll be doing is [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans replacing chaotic slaughter with an organized one]].



* WorthyOpponent: He sees Roy as this. It's part of why he decides to join the Linear Guild, and in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0863.html strip #863]], he acknowledges that Roy is a "wonderful challenge". He's so impressed that he tried to recruit Roy into his organization.

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* WorthyOpponent: He sees Roy as this. It's part of why he decides to join the Linear Guild, and in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0863.html strip #863]], he acknowledges that Roy is a "wonderful challenge". He's so impressed that he tried tries to recruit Roy into his organization.



* YouFightLikeACow: He's capable of the same pun-duelling as Elan, and their initial fight goes full ''Monkey Island''.



* YouFightLikeACow: He's capable of the same pun-dueling as Elan, and their initial fight goes full ''Monkey Island''.



* HoistByHisOwnPetard: [[spoiler: Turning Durkon and then casting [[DaywalkingVampire Protection from Daylight]] on him took out one of his redundant sources of the spell and made him vulnerable to Nale dispelling it and then taking away the remaining backup.]]

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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: [[spoiler: Turning [[spoiler:Turning Durkon and then casting [[DaywalkingVampire Protection from Daylight]] on him took out one of his redundant sources of the spell and made him vulnerable to Nale dispelling it and then taking away the remaining backup.]]



* OutsideContextVillain: More like out of context villain''y''; as noted in ANaziByAnyOtherName, his commented intention of creating "special chambers" for purposeful and efficient slaughter of humanoids comes off as a gas chamber reference, but was intended to be a ''Film/SoylentGreen'' reference (plus a nod to real-life slaughterhouses). The comic lacks the forum-posted explanation that, when Malack takes control of the Empire, he will turn it into a combination of theocracy and [[spoiler: TheNecrocracy, by creating a legion of vampire spawn priests of Nergal to administer to the mortal populace. The sacrifices to Nergal will serve dual purpose as holy offerings and as a way to feed the haemovoric nobility he will lead]]; the "special chambers", then, are butchering rooms.

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* OutsideContextVillain: More like out of context out-of-context villain''y''; as noted in ANaziByAnyOtherName, his commented intention of creating "special chambers" for purposeful and efficient slaughter of humanoids comes off as a gas chamber reference, but was intended to be a ''Film/SoylentGreen'' reference (plus a nod to real-life slaughterhouses). The comic lacks the forum-posted explanation that, when Malack takes control of the Empire, he will turn it into a combination of theocracy and [[spoiler: TheNecrocracy, [[spoiler:TheNecrocracy, by creating a legion of vampire spawn priests of Nergal to administer to the mortal populace. The sacrifices to Nergal will serve dual purpose as holy offerings and as a way to feed the haemovoric nobility he will lead]]; the "special chambers", then, are butchering rooms.



* VegetarianVampire: [[spoiler: Downplayed. He feeds on the runoff from all the executed prisoners, but not only are they in an AllCrimesAreEqual state, but he's got no qualms against eating non-condemned people aside from the problems involved in revealing his true nature to people for which it would be disadvantageous. The excessive runoff is simply more than what he needs to survive comfortably.]]

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* VegetarianVampire: [[spoiler: Downplayed.[[spoiler:Downplayed. He feeds on the runoff from all the executed prisoners, but not only are they in an AllCrimesAreEqual state, but he's got no qualms against eating non-condemned people aside from the problems involved in revealing his true nature to people for which it would be disadvantageous. The excessive runoff is simply more than what he needs to survive comfortably.]]



* TheVirus: [[spoiler: Malack did not create many 'children', and he's long gone by now. But the legion of Vampires in the Godsmoot created by The High Priest of Hel could trace their lineage back to him.]]

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* TheVirus: [[spoiler: Malack [[spoiler:Malack did not create many 'children', "children", and he's long gone by now. But the legion of Vampires in the Godsmoot created by The High Priest of Hel could trace their lineage back to him.]]
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'''Class:''' Unknown (probably Fighter, possible levels in Dashing Swordsman)\\

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'''Class:''' Unknown (probably Fighter, possible levels in Dashing Swordsman)\\Fighter or Warblade)\\
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'''Class:''' Unknown (probably Fighter)\\

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* YouFightLikeACow: He's capable of the same pun-duelling as Elan, and their initial fight goes full ''Monkey Island''.
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* BiTheWay: Objects to Roy's [reaction to a StrongFamilyResemblance being passed of as] attractions not because of his sexual preferences, but because he's soon to be married.



* AppealToTradition: An unhealthy side to his narrative fixation is his failure to understand how stories have moved on and developed since his day. Notably, Julio Scoundrel riles him up ''because'' his stories are subversive.

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* AppealToTradition: An unhealthy side to his narrative fixation is his failure to understand how stories have moved on and developed since his day. Notably, Julio Scoundrel Scoundrèl riles him up ''because'' his stories are subversive.



BadassNormal: Takes on the entire Order of the Stick (except V), and while it's not quite a CurbStompBattle it's still decidedly one-sided in his favor. And according to Malack, he wasn't even trying. When we see him get serious, he breaks Haley's arm after shrugging off a sneak attack.

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* BadassNormal: Takes on the entire Order of the Stick (except V), and while it's not quite a CurbStompBattle it's still decidedly one-sided in his favor. And according to Malack, he wasn't isn't even trying. When we see him get serious, he breaks Haley's arm after shrugging off a sneak attack.



* DangerouslyGenreSavvy:
** Deconstructed. While it does make him a smart and deadly opponent who can form plans efficiently, he also treats other people as nothing more than plot devices and has a chilling LackOfEmpathy towards those he kills.
** In his handbook to the guards, he includes items straight from the EvilOverlordList. Not only has he read the List, it is later revealed that his big EvilPlan is based around not just genre Tropes, but ''AudienceReactions'', specifically LoveToHate, EvilIsCool, and a hefty dosage of YouBastard. He's even willing to allow the Order to take on Xykon because he knows that [[EvilVersusEvil villain-versus-villain]] confrontations are always a toss-up between the bad guys, while the heroes are more narratively-equipped to defeat the villain.
** It's his main contribution to his little team. Being their leader, and a brilliant strategist, and so on, are largely untrue manifestations of his overinflated opinion of himself. All in all, he comes off as a sociopath whose only attachment to people is trying to make them fulfill tropes and archetypes, and a huge TakeThat to a GenreSavvy villain.

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* DangerouslyGenreSavvy:
** Deconstructed. While it does make him a smart and deadly opponent who can form plans efficiently, he also treats other people as nothing more than plot devices and has a chilling LackOfEmpathy towards those he kills.
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DangerouslyGenreSavvy: In his handbook to the guards, he includes items straight from the EvilOverlordList. Not only has he read the List, it is later revealed that his big EvilPlan is based around not just genre Tropes, but ''AudienceReactions'', specifically LoveToHate, EvilIsCool, and a hefty dosage of YouBastard. He's even willing to allow the Order to take on Xykon because he knows that [[EvilVersusEvil villain-versus-villain]] confrontations are always a toss-up between the bad guys, while the heroes are more narratively-equipped to defeat the villain.
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villain. It's also his main contribution to his little team. Being their leader, and a brilliant strategist, and so on, are largely untrue manifestations of his overinflated opinion of himself. All in all, he comes off as a sociopath whose only attachment to people is trying to make them fulfill tropes and archetypes, and a huge TakeThat to a GenreSavvy villain.


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* DeconstructedCharacterArchetype: Of the DangerouslyGenreSavvy villain. While it does make him a smart and deadly opponent who can form plans efficiently, he also treats other people as nothing more than plot devices and has a chilling LackOfEmpathy towards those he kills.
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