History Characters / TheFourGospels

8th Jul '16 3:13:56 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheObiWan: Though he baptized Jesus and proclaimed Jesus to be the Lamb of God, he was executed just as Jesus started becoming an itinerant preacher.
9th Jun '16 7:04:46 PM MagBas
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* RaceLift: Jesus was an Israelite (descendant of Israel) who lived in the Middle East. The most famous branch of Israelites are the descendants of Judas, commonly called Jews. There have been several branches of Judaism, now commonly referred to as either Ashkenazi or Sephardic (Mizrahi, Yemenite, Kurdish, etc.). In academic studies, beyond generally agreeing that "Jesus was Jewish", modern scholarship has not conclusively dealt with the question of what "being Jewish" then meant. In most Western art, he's almost universally depicted as a white guy with straight brown hair. This may be seen as ArtisticLicense to help the viewers contextualize Jesus as a person who can identify with them; in African art he is often depicted as black, in Asian art he is given Oriental features, and so on. However, in some cases it may carry UnfortunateImplications of colonialism or white privilege if Jesus is portrayed as white by default in settings where people disagree.

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* RaceLift: Jesus was an Israelite (descendant of Israel) who lived in the Middle East. The most famous branch of Israelites are the descendants of Judas, commonly called Jews. There have been several branches of Judaism, now commonly referred to as either Ashkenazi or Sephardic (Mizrahi, Yemenite, Kurdish, etc.). In academic studies, beyond generally agreeing that "Jesus was Jewish", modern scholarship has not conclusively dealt with the question of what "being Jewish" then meant. In most Western art, he's almost universally depicted as a white guy with straight brown hair. This may be seen as ArtisticLicense to help the viewers contextualize Jesus as a person who can identify with them; in African art he is often depicted as black, in Asian art he is given Oriental features, and so on. However, in some cases it may carry UnfortunateImplications of colonialism or white privilege if Jesus is portrayed as white by default in settings where people disagree.
29th May '16 9:19:28 AM dotchan
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* MeaningfulName: Barabbas is Greek for the Aramaic name ''Bar Abba'', a {{Patronymic}} that means "son of the father". So the "son of the father" was spared while the "''real'' Son of [[{{God}} the Father]]"

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* MeaningfulName: Barabbas is Greek for the Aramaic name ''Bar Abba'', a {{Patronymic}} that means "son of the the/his father". So the "son of the father" was spared while the "''real'' Son of [[{{God}} the Father]]"Father]]" was cruficied.
1st May '16 1:43:08 PM Orome
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Added DiffLines:

* OpenMouthInsertFoot: Peter does this a lot. It's even pointed out by the narrator:
-->''As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, "Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters--one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." (He did not know what he was saying.)''
11th Apr '16 10:04:30 PM dotchan
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** He was by no means an ExtremeDoormat, however. He was always quick to call people out on their sinful attitudes and walk away from potentially explosive circumstances; it was only until Good Friday that He did not resist being arrested, tried, and then executed on false charges.



* WhamLine: "Tonight, one of you will betray me."

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* WhamLine: "Tonight, one Jesus liked these. One of you will betray me."the repeated refrains of the Gospels was that the people reacted with what He said with amazement. He even announced His own eventual betrayal, crucifixion, and resurrection to his disciples, who were unsurprisingly alarmed and confused at His words.



* WrongfullyAttributed: Jesus' birth is often believed to be the original reason people celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December. In reality pagans already held winter rituals and festivities centuries before Jesus' birth. [[WordOfDante The Church Fathers]], not knowing when his birthday actually was, [[EpilepticTrees reasoned]] that since Jesus was a holy man, he would have died on the same day he was conceived to make a perfectly round number to his life. So since the Church calendar states Jesus was crucified on March 25, he must have been born on December 25th, neatly replacing the pagan festivals. Historically, Jesus probably wasn't born in winter; among other evidence, the shepherds wouldn't have been in their fields in December. [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/3687843/Jesus-was-born-in-June-astronomers-claim.html Some astronomers suggested his real birthday was the 17th of June]]. Of course, given the sheer number of pagan (and Jewish) festivals, it would be hard to come up with a date that had not been used by some religion before...

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* WrongfullyAttributed: Jesus' birth is often believed to be the original reason people celebrate Christmas on the 25th of December. In reality pagans already held winter rituals and festivities centuries before Jesus' birth. [[WordOfDante The Church Fathers]], not knowing when his birthday actually was, [[EpilepticTrees reasoned]] that since Jesus was a holy man, he would have died on the same day he was conceived to make a perfectly round number to his life. So since the Church calendar states Jesus was crucified on March 25, he must have been born on December 25th, neatly replacing the pagan festivals. Historically, Jesus probably wasn't born in winter; among other evidence, the shepherds wouldn't have been in their fields in December. [[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/3687843/Jesus-was-born-in-June-astronomers-claim.html Some astronomers suggested his real birthday was the 17th of June]]. Of course, given the sheer number of pagan (and Jewish) festivals, it would be hard to come up with a date that had not been used by some religion before...before.



** Some believe that she had [[ThePromise made a vow before God]] to remain a virgin her whole life, and that her marriage to Joseph was never to involve sex, only to ensure that she would be protected and provided for when her time as (the equivalent of) a {{Miko}} was up.

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** Some believe that by agreeing to be Jesus' surrogate mother, she had effectively [[ThePromise made a vow before God]] to remain a virgin her whole life, and that her marriage to Joseph was never to involve sex, only to ensure that she would be protected and provided for when her time as (the equivalent of) a {{Miko}} was up.



* PalsWithJesus: She ''is'', after all, his mom. Because of that, Catholics and Orthodox believe that her prayers are more powerful, that God will never turn down a request from her.

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* PalsWithJesus: She ''is'', after all, his His mom. Because of that, Catholics and Orthodox believe that her prayers are more powerful, that God will never turn down a request from her.



* ImpoverishedPatrician: Although he is from the lineage of King David, he earns a modest and meager living as a carpenter. And his social status is essentially "a nobody." (Or, if you like, [[IncrediblyLamePun the Average Joe]].)
* MyGirlIsNotASlut: Averted. After finding out that Mary was pregnant, he decided to (quietly) divorce her rather than make a big deal about it and have her be humiliated. That was really decent of him, considering the time and place he was in, he probably saved Mary's life (though he did come back for her).
* NiceGuy: It's occasionally pointed out how he apparently went out of his way for Mary, particularly in the traditions that emphasize Mary's virginity (apart from the above, he was willing to marry a woman sworn to virginity). He also scolded Jesus in the Temple story for causing distress to His mother.

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* ImpoverishedPatrician: Although he is from the lineage of King David, he earns a modest and meager living as a carpenter. And carpenter (or, depending on how you translate that term, he might have been an entirely unskilled laborer). On top of that, his social status is essentially "a nobody." (Or, if you like, [[IncrediblyLamePun the Average Joe]].)
* MyGirlIsNotASlut: Averted. After finding out that Mary was pregnant, he decided to (quietly) divorce her rather than make a big deal about it and have her be humiliated. publicly humiliated (and then possibly put to death for being an "adulteress"). That was really decent of him, considering the him compared to how any other person of his time and place would've thought.
* NiceGuy:
** While it's debatable how nice
he was in, in "only" wanting to divorce Mary quietly (this would have all but condemned her to a life of prostitution, since a poor single mother in first century Palestine would've had very few alternative income options), as soon as he probably saved got divine instruction he was willing obey and not ask questions. This saves Mary's (and by extension Jesus') life (though he did come back for her).
* NiceGuy: It's occasionally pointed out how he apparently went out
twice--once from a lynch mob of his way for Mary, particularly self-appointed MoralGuardians, and once more when Herod sent troops in hopes of murdering the traditions infant Jesus.
** Some denominations hold
that emphasize Mary's virginity (apart from the above, he by agreeing to be God's surrogate mother, Mary effectively dedicated herself to lifelong chastity. This means that Joseph was not just willing to marry a woman sworn her anyway and claim Jesus as his own son, but also to virginity). stay faithful to her for at least twelve years without physically consummating their marriage.
**
He also scolded Jesus in the Temple story for causing distress distress, specifically to His mother.



An ascetic preacher who was the forerunner to Jesus, known for dunking people in water as a sign of repentance/purification. Specified to be Jesus's cousin in Luke, as his mother was a cousin of Mary.

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An ascetic preacher who was the forerunner to Jesus, known for dunking baptizing people in water as a sign of repentance/purification. repentance/purification (Gentiles who wanted to convert to Judaism had to ritually cleanse themselves, usually via a bath, but some rituals also included pouring/sprinkling water over the penitent; John caused a public stir by baptizing ''Jews''). Specified to be Jesus's cousin in Luke, as his mother was a cousin of Mary.



* DoomedMentor
* TheObiWan

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* DoomedMentor
* TheObiWan
TheObiWan: Though he baptized Jesus and proclaimed Jesus to be the Lamb of God, he was executed just as Jesus started becoming an itinerant preacher.



* PrecursorHero: Sort of. The point of his mission was to prepare ground for Him.

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* PrecursorHero: Sort of. The point of his mission was to prepare ground for Him.Jesus.



** The harlot actually comes from a passage several chapters after her debut, who is never stated to be Mary Magdalene.

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** The harlot (who also anointed Jesus as an act of devotion) actually comes from a passage several chapters after her debut, who is never stated to be Mary Magdalene.



* UndyingLoyalty: She was present when Jesus died, along with several other women, even when his Apostles (except John the "beloved disciple", according to the gospel of John) had scattered and hidden themselves. She's also among the women present when Jesus is buried, and she's one of the first to see him back from the dead.

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* UndyingLoyalty: She was present when Jesus died, along with several other women, even when his Apostles (except John the "beloved disciple", according to the gospel of John) had scattered and hidden themselves. She's also among the women present when Jesus is buried, and she's one of the first (if not the very first) to see him back from the dead.



* InNameOnly: DiscussedTrope in his epistles, as James didn't think someone who did nothing more than pay lip service to Jesus was a true believer.



* BetweenARockAndAHardPlace: Free an innocent man and risk causing a major civil unrest which it's your whole job to prevent, or execute the innocent man?

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* BetweenARockAndAHardPlace: Free an innocent man and risk causing a major civil unrest which when it's your whole job to prevent, prevent that, or execute the innocent man?



** OutDamnedSpot: Others say he went mad with guilt and spent the rest of his life cleaning his hands with snow.



%%* MaliciousSlander

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%%* MaliciousSlander* MaliciousSlander: They called Jesus crazy, demon-possessed, and a blasphemer (among other things), and they considered the people to be "uneducated rabble".



%%* ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem

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%%* ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem* ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem: As rabbis, it was their job to interpret the Laws of God. Jesus pointed out that they did so in extremely hypocritical and self-serving ways.



* CanonForeigner: The Fourth Wise Man.

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* CanonForeigner: The Fourth Wise Man.Man, according to what amounts to FanFiction.



** The Magi are often pictured in Arabic headgear despite not actually being Arabs.
*** Then again, what people might call "Arabic Headgear" is generally common less because of ethnic identification and more because it's one of the best things to use in a desert.

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** The Magi are often pictured in Arabic headgear despite not actually being Arabs.
*** Then
Arabs. (Then again, what people might call "Arabic Headgear" is generally common less because of ethnic identification and more because it's one of the best things to use in a desert.)



The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke list the twelve apostles with a few variations, while the gospel of John doesn't list all of them. They're commonly given as: Simon Peter, Andrew the brother of Peter, James the brother of John, John, Philip, Bartholomew (aka Nathaniel in John), Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Judas son (or brother, the Greek is inexact) of James (aka Thaddeus), Simon the Zealot, and Judas Iscariot [[InsistentTerminology the Betrayer]]. The Acts of the Apostles says Matthias was later brought into the group as Judas' replacement.

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The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke list the twelve apostles with a few variations, while the gospel of John doesn't list all of them. They're commonly given as: Simon Peter, Andrew the brother of Peter, James the brother of John, John, Philip, Bartholomew (aka Nathaniel in John), Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Judas son (or brother, the Greek is inexact) of James (aka Thaddeus), Simon the Zealot, and Judas Iscariot [[InsistentTerminology the Betrayer]]. The Acts of the Apostles says Matthias was later brought into the group as Judas' replacement.
replacement and Paul as the SixthRanger.



** On the other hand, after the Resurrection, the apostles all spent the rest of their lives dedicated to Jesus, and all of them suffered persecution as a result and all (except John) martyred.



* MeaningfulRename: Jesus gave Simon the name Peter, which means "(a) rock". Catholics thus take Jesus' pronouncement "On this rock I will build my church" to mean that Jesus would establish Peter as leader of his church on earth, making Peter essentially the first [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope]]. Though the phrase is ambiguous enough that other Christians have understood it to mean that Jesus would establish his church upon Peter's faith, or prior statement of faith, that Jesus was the Messiah. Catholics ''do'' believe this as well, but emphasize Peter's personal role.

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* MeaningfulRename: Jesus gave Simon the name Peter, which means "(a) "(a/the) rock". Catholics thus take Jesus' pronouncement "On this rock I will build my church" to mean that Jesus would establish Peter as leader of his church on earth, making Peter essentially the first [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope]]. Though However, the phrase is ambiguous enough that other Christians have understood it to mean that Jesus would establish his church upon Peter's faith, or prior statement of faith, that Jesus was the Messiah. Catholics ''do'' believe this as well, but emphasize Peter's personal role.



* EvilDebtCollector: Matthew/Levi was a repentant tax collector.

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* EvilDebtCollector: SubvertedTrope, Matthew/Levi was a repentant tax collector.



* {{Irony}}: Tax collectors were seen as LesCollaborateurs[=/=]TheQuisling to the Jews, but Matthew's Gospel focuses on the Kingdom of God (using the term "The Kingdom of Heaven" in respect of the Jewish taboo against saying the name of God out loud) and Jesus' identity as the King of the Jews.



* ContinuitySnarl: Matthew says he hanged himself, while Acts of the Apostles says he died in a fall, [[LudicrousGibs spilling his guts]]. Some reconcile this by assuming his dangling corpse fell and then burst open.

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* ContinuitySnarl: Matthew says he hanged himself, while Acts of the Apostles says he died in a fall, [[LudicrousGibs spilling his guts]]. Some reconcile this by assuming his dangling corpse fell and then burst open. (Note, however, that in those days, "hanging on a tree" was also used as a euphemism for impalement and/or crucifixion.)



* MeaningfulName: Barabbas is Greek for the Aramaic name ''Bar Abba'', a {{Patronymic}} that means "son of the father". So the "son of the father" was spared while the "''real'' Son of [[{{God}} the Father]]" [[DramaticIrony wasn't.]]
* OneSteveLimit: Averted in some manuscripts which give his full name as ''Jesus'' Barabbas, taking the irony even further. Jesus was a common name for the time and place.

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* MeaningfulName: Barabbas is Greek for the Aramaic name ''Bar Abba'', a {{Patronymic}} that means "son of the father". So the "son of the father" was spared while the "''real'' Son of [[{{God}} the Father]]" [[DramaticIrony wasn't.]]
Father]]"
* OneSteveLimit: Averted in some manuscripts which give his full name as ''Jesus'' Barabbas, taking the irony even further. Jesus was (In first century Palestan, if a common name for the time and place.Jewish man wasn't named Jesus, Jacob, or Judas, he probably had a brother with that name.)
2nd Apr '16 4:38:41 AM Morgenthaler
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* MortonsFork: One of their preferred strategies for trying to entrap Jesus: Should we execute this woman for adultery (defying the law of Rome), or not (defying the law of Moses)? Should we pay taxes to Rome (a very unpopular idea) or not ({{Caesar}} would like to have a word with you)? (In each case, Jesus TookAThirdOption.)

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* MortonsFork: One of their preferred strategies for trying to entrap Jesus: Should we execute this woman for adultery (defying the law of Rome), or not (defying the law of Moses)? Should we pay taxes to Rome (a very unpopular idea) or not ({{Caesar}} (Caesar would like to have a word with you)? (In each case, Jesus TookAThirdOption.)
28th Mar '16 9:04:45 PM TARINunit9
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* VirginPower: In that she becomes pregnant and gives birth while still a virgin. To Catholics and Orthodox (who believe that she remained a virgin her whole life), she also has [[PalsWithJesus powers of intercession]] for such things as healing.

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* VirginPower: In that she becomes pregnant and gives birth while still a virgin. To Catholics and Orthodox (who believe that she remained a virgin her whole life), she life, and also has [[PalsWithJesus powers of intercession]] for such things as healing. Other denominations believe that Mary lost her virginity to Joseph not long after Jesus's birth, citing the fact that Jesus had several younger siblings, but consider her saintly nonetheless.



* ChuckCunninghamSyndrome / DisappearedDad: [[WildMassGuessing Theological scholars]] speculate Joseph's lack of appearance later in the story may be due to Joseph dying at some point.

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* ChuckCunninghamSyndrome / DisappearedDad: ChuckCunninghamSyndrome[=/=]DisappearedDad: [[WildMassGuessing Theological scholars]] speculate Joseph's lack of appearance later in the story may be due to Joseph dying at some point.
28th Mar '16 8:58:46 PM TARINunit9
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* RaceLift: Jesus was an Israelite (descendant of Israel) who lived in the Middle East. The most famous branch of Israelites are the descendants of Judas, commonly called Jews. There have been several branches of Judaism, now commonly referred to as either Ashkenazi or Sephardic (Mizrahi, Yemenite, Kurdish, etc.). In academic studies, beyond generally agreeing that "Jesus was Jewish", modern scholarship has not conclusively dealt with the question of what "being Jewish" then meant. In most Western art, he's almost universally depicted as a white guy -- this may be seen as ArtisticLicense to help the viewers contextualize Jesus as a person who can identify with them as in African art he is often depicted as black, in Asian art he is given Oriental features, and so on. However, in some cases it may carry UnfortunateImplications of colonialism or white privilege if Jesus is portrayed as white by default in settings where people disagree.

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* RaceLift: Jesus was an Israelite (descendant of Israel) who lived in the Middle East. The most famous branch of Israelites are the descendants of Judas, commonly called Jews. There have been several branches of Judaism, now commonly referred to as either Ashkenazi or Sephardic (Mizrahi, Yemenite, Kurdish, etc.). In academic studies, beyond generally agreeing that "Jesus was Jewish", modern scholarship has not conclusively dealt with the question of what "being Jewish" then meant. In most Western art, he's almost universally depicted as a white guy -- this with straight brown hair. This may be seen as ArtisticLicense to help the viewers contextualize Jesus as a person who can identify with them as them; in African art he is often depicted as black, in Asian art he is given Oriental features, and so on. However, in some cases it may carry UnfortunateImplications of colonialism or white privilege if Jesus is portrayed as white by default in settings where people disagree.disagree.
** For those wondering, modern anthropologists think Jesus would have been [[http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/ a stocky black-haired man with features typical of native Galileans]].
14th Feb '16 8:39:18 PM Bart
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* RaceLift: Jesus was a Middle Easterner. He was born in Palestine, the Middle East, but, at least in Western art, he's almost universally depicted as a white guy. This is usually seen as ArtisticLicense to help the viewers contextualize Jesus as a person who can identify with themó in African art he is often depicted as black, in Asian art he is given Oriental features, and so on. However, in some cases it may carry UnfortunateImplications of colonialism or white privilege if Jesus is portrayed as white by default in settings where people have enough ethnic diversity to know better.

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* RaceLift: Jesus was a Middle Easterner. He was born an Israelite (descendant of Israel) who lived in Palestine, the Middle East, but, at least in East. The most famous branch of Israelites are the descendants of Judas, commonly called Jews. There have been several branches of Judaism, now commonly referred to as either Ashkenazi or Sephardic (Mizrahi, Yemenite, Kurdish, etc.). In academic studies, beyond generally agreeing that "Jesus was Jewish", modern scholarship has not conclusively dealt with the question of what "being Jewish" then meant. In most Western art, he's almost universally depicted as a white guy. This is usually guy -- this may be seen as ArtisticLicense to help the viewers contextualize Jesus as a person who can identify with themó them as in African art he is often depicted as black, in Asian art he is given Oriental features, and so on. However, in some cases it may carry UnfortunateImplications of colonialism or white privilege if Jesus is portrayed as white by default in settings where people have enough ethnic diversity to know better.disagree.
10th Jan '16 9:25:04 PM quirkygenius
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* DependingOnTheWriter: Some details vary between the four Gospels.

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* DependingOnTheWriter: Some While the most important details are consistent across the four Gospels (such as Jesus being the Son of God and the Messiah), some smaller details vary between the four Gospels.Gospels, partly due to [[RashomonStyle the authors not all being in the same place at the same time]].
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