History Characters / SkyrimCivilWar

24th Apr '17 4:46:57 PM Zaptech
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* JerkassHasAPoint: For all of his CulturalPosturing, a brief look at Tamriel's history shows that he's absolutely right about the provinces falling to barbarism and anarchy without the Imperial Legion. The periods between each Empire have been times of chaos and strife, especially the Interregnum after the Second Empire fell, in which [[Videogame/ElderScrollsOnline nearly all of Nirn was consumed by Molag Bal]] while everyone else was fighting one another.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: For all of his CulturalPosturing, a brief look at Tamriel's history shows that he's absolutely right about the provinces falling to barbarism and anarchy without the Imperial Legion. The periods between each Empire have been times of chaos and strife, especially the Interregnum after the Second Empire fell, in which [[Videogame/ElderScrollsOnline [[Videogame/TheElderScrollsOnline nearly all of Nirn was consumed by Molag Bal]] while everyone else was fighting one another.
24th Apr '17 4:46:22 PM Zaptech
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* JerkassHasAPoint: For all of his CulturalPosturing, a brief look at Tamriel's history shows that he's absolutely right about the provinces falling to barbarism and anarchy without the Imperial Legion. The periods between each Empire have been times of chaos and strife, especially the Interregnum after the Second Empire fell, in which [[Videogame/ElderScrollsOnline nearly all of Nirn was consumed by Molag Bal]] while everyone else was fighting one another.
24th Apr '17 4:37:06 PM Zaptech
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* UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: The death of the High King and the resulting civil war are the last part of the prophecy foretelling Alduin's return. This means Ulfric is ''directly responsible'' for the return of the dragons.
24th Apr '17 4:35:19 PM Zaptech
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* UnknownRival: The player character has the option to basically dismiss Ulfric as this, by [[spoiler:refusing to personally execute him, claiming he doesn't deserve the honour.]]
24th Apr '17 4:04:22 PM Zaptech
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: After an Imperial victory in the Civil War, she's supposed to be installed as the new Jarl of the Rift. However, the game can glitch in such a way that she never actually does. Her son still becomes her steward and speaks of her in the present tense, but her throne at Mistveil Keep remains empty. This makes it impossible for the player to become her thane, or to purchase Honeyside if they hadn't already done so.
** If this glitch occurs, she can still sometimes be found eating meals with the rest of her household. She doesn't have a lot to say in that case, however.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: After an Imperial victory in the Civil War, she's supposed to be installed as the new Jarl of the Rift. However, the game can glitch in such a way that she never actually does. Her son still becomes her steward and speaks of her in the present tense, but her throne at Mistveil Keep remains empty. This makes it impossible for the player to become her thane, or to purchase Honeyside if they hadn't already done so.
** If this glitch occurs, she can still sometimes be found eating meals with the rest of her household. She doesn't have a lot to say in that case, however.
23rd Apr '17 5:36:32 PM DrakeClawfang
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: He readily accepts that the dragons have returned after hearing several firsthand accounts, moves to protect his people immediately, enlists the aid of the person with the most experience with dragons (you, by virtue of having survived Helgen), and instantly acknowledges the status and importance of the Dovahkiin. During the "Diplomatic Immunity" quest, the Dragonborn can ask him to provide a distraction, and he readily agrees even though he doesn't know exactly what you're doing - he believes in you that much.
** Balgruuf is such a reasonable Jarl that many Imperial-aligned players admit that the main reason they back the Empire is because backing the Stormcloaks means turning against Balgruuf. You can't even complete the Civil War questline without first earning his friendship and being granted Thane status by him, and joining the Stormcloaks requires you to subsequently betray him. Many players would rather support the Empire, regardless of their feelings about the conflict, simply so they can continue being Balgruuf's friend.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Balgruuf is probably one of the most level-headed Jarls in Skyrim.
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He readily accepts that the dragons have returned after hearing several firsthand accounts, moves to protect his people immediately, enlists the aid of the person with the most experience with dragons (you, by virtue of having survived Helgen), and instantly acknowledges the status and importance of the Dovahkiin. During the "Diplomatic Immunity" quest, the Dragonborn can ask him to provide a distraction, and he readily agrees even though he doesn't know exactly what you're doing - -- but he believes in feels he can trust you.
** Other Jarls will ask
you that much.
** Balgruuf is such
to do some sort of errand and/or to have a reasonable Jarl that many Imperial-aligned players admit that the main reason they back the Empire is because backing the Stormcloaks means turning against Balgruuf. You can't even complete the Civil War questline without first earning his friendship and being granted Thane certain level of status by him, and joining the Stormcloaks requires you to subsequently betray him. Many players would rather support the Empire, regardless of in their feelings about Hold before making you a Thane. Balgruuf? You just killed a dragon terrorizing the conflict, simply so they can continue being Balgruuf's friend.Hold; that's plenty enough to deserve the honor.



*** For a dash of savvy in those quotes, one of the members of the Companions is Vignar Gray-Mane, who takes Balgruuf's place as Jarl should the Stormcloaks take over. ''He knows where everyone's loyalties lie.''

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*** For a dash of savvy in those quotes, one of the members of the Companions is Vignar Gray-Mane, a Stormcloak-sympathizer who takes Balgruuf's place as Jarl should the Stormcloaks take over. ''He Balgruuf knows where everyone's the loyalties of his citizens lie.''
22nd Apr '17 4:40:19 PM Zaptech
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* GreaterScopeVillain: They're (probably) not bigger than [[BigBad Alduin]], but they are bigger than the opposing side of the civil war questline, being the ultimate source of the conflict and the bigger and truly evil enemy to both sides (even if the Empire doesn't publicly acknowledge it).
** UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: [[spoiler:The prophecy of the Last Dragonborn explicitly states that when brother fights brother - in other words, civil war in Skyrim - it will be the final harbinger of Alduin's return. It's doubtful that the Thalmor are aware of the prophecy, as it's part of the Nords' history and not their own. Nevertheless, by bringing about the Civil War, the Aldmeri Dominion is directly responsible for the return of dragons to Tamriel.]]

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* GreaterScopeVillain: They're (probably) not bigger than [[BigBad Alduin]], but they are bigger than the opposing side of the civil war questline, being the ultimate source of the conflict and the bigger and truly evil enemy to both sides (even if the Empire doesn't publicly acknowledge it).
** UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: [[spoiler:The prophecy of the Last Dragonborn explicitly states that when brother fights brother - in other words, civil war in Skyrim - it will be the final harbinger of Alduin's return. It's doubtful that the
it). To quote [[WordOfGod Michael Kirkbride]]:
-->''The
Thalmor is easily the most dangerous organization in the Aurbis. Moreso than Talos.''\\
''They cannot be understood. They
are aware of the prophecy, as it's part of the Nords' history Other and not their own. Nevertheless, by bringing about the Civil War, the Aldmeri Dominion is directly responsible for the return of dragons to Tamriel.]]they hate everything that even smells like mortality.''
22nd Apr '17 4:36:15 PM Zaptech
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* LeftHanging: Unfortunately, as much as everyone agrees that a second war with the Thalmor is inevitable, it never occurs, and they play an overall minimal part in the overarching story. With the official announcement that there will be no more DLC for ''Skyrim'' after ''Dragonborn'', it's up to the next game in the series to resolve things.
22nd Apr '17 4:33:22 PM Zaptech
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* InNameOnly: The modern Thalmor have barely any connection to what they originally were in the earlier eras, where they were first tasked with protecting the Aldmeri heritage. Later on, during the Second Era, the Thalmor were structured to serve as a diplomatic and administrativecorps made up of equal numbers of Khajiit, Bosmer, and Altmer members, with Justicars being local law enforcement. They were far kinder and more tolerant than what they would become in the wake of the Oblivion Crisis.

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* InNameOnly: The modern Thalmor have barely any connection to what they originally were in the earlier eras, where they were first tasked with protecting the Aldmeri heritage. Later on, during the Second Era, the Thalmor were structured to serve as a diplomatic and administrativecorps administrative corps made up of equal numbers of Khajiit, Bosmer, and Altmer members, with Justicars being local law enforcement.enforcement instead of secret police and thuggish enforcers. They were far kinder and more tolerant than what they would become in the wake of the Oblivion Crisis.
22nd Apr '17 4:32:39 PM Zaptech
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* InNameOnly: The modern Thalmor have barely any connection to what they originally were in the earlier eras, where they were first tasked with protecting the Aldmeri heritage. Later on, during the Second Era, the Thalmor were structured to serve as a diplomatic and administrativecorps made up of equal numbers of Khajiit, Bosmer, and Altmer members, with Justicars being local law enforcement. They were far kinder and more tolerant than what they would become in the wake of the Oblivion Crisis.
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