History Characters / SkyrimCivilWar

13th Nov '17 1:44:37 PM Occidensill
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* {{Hypocrite}}: Despite saying that reliance on Imperial support seems cowardly, he is very reluctant to the idea of the Legion actually walking out on him. His steward addresses his (well-paid) acceptance of the White-Gold Concordant as a counterpoint, but Balgruuf asserts that the Jarls were [[YouDidntAsk never approached for their own opinions]] and he had to roll with it regardless.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: Despite saying that reliance on Imperial support seems cowardly, he is very reluctant to the idea of the Legion actually walking out on him. His steward addresses his (well-paid) acceptance of the White-Gold Concordant as a counterpoint, but Balgruuf asserts that the Jarls were [[YouDidntAsk never approached for their own opinions]] opinions and he had to roll with it regardless.
29th Oct '17 3:50:01 PM Zaptech
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** According the "The Bear of Markarth," an Imperial account of the Forsworn occupation of Markarth and Ulfric retaking it, this was Ulfric's attitude regarding the population of the city. ''Anyone'' who didn't raise a weapon in support of the Nords was executed as a collaborator. It is unclear how much of this is true and how much of it is Imperial propaganda, but the stories of the Forsworn captives in the Markarth mines back up this interpretation of Ulfric.
24th Oct '17 6:37:36 PM Zaptech
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* BadassBaritone: By the King of Badass Vikings himself - Vladimir Kulich.
* BadassBeard: Because Nord.
24th Oct '17 6:35:33 PM Zaptech
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* ArbitrarySkepticism: His refusal to accept the existence of the Jagged Crown can come across as this after (a) bearing witness to the return of dragons that razed an entire township to ash and cinder, and (b) knowing an ancient form of magic that predates the Jagged Crown.
24th Oct '17 6:18:39 PM Zaptech
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* RightForTheWrongReasons: Both sides suspect that the Dragon attack on Helgen was orchestrated by the other side and it wasn't a coincidence that it showed up just as Ulfric was about to be executed. They're wrong about the former and only partially correct about the latter. The ''real'' reason [[spoiler:Alduin]] showed up was because of ''the Dragonborn'', whose head was resting on the chopping block at the time.
12th Oct '17 5:50:56 PM Zaptech
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* SoreLoser: [[spoiler:If you help the Stormcloaks take Solitude, she may send assassins after you in retribution. An ending to the war in any way is detrimental to the Thalmor's plans, and Ulfric winning basically means they have no influence in Skyrim and a new enemy. Of course, if you kill her after the main quest but just before the final Stormcloak mission, she'll be too dead to try to have you murdered.]]
8th Oct '17 4:10:00 PM AuraGuardian
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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: She wanted to make sure Ulfric and his lieutenants were going to be executed, to the point of ordering the death of two InnocentBystanders (Lokir and [[PlayerCharacter the Dragonborn]]), just to be sure. Although it is ultimately up to the player, that incident incited ''a lot'' of players to join [[LaResistance the Stormcloaks]], as well as making the Empire look like a bunch of bloodthirsty, oppressive invaders in the eyes of newcomers to the Elder Scrolls series. Threads discussing the motivations to join one side over the other will often be littered with ''"I joined the Stormcloaks because the Imperials tried to cut my head off !"''

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* NiceJobFixingItVillain: She wanted to make sure Ulfric and his lieutenants were going to be executed, to the point of ordering the death of two InnocentBystanders (Lokir and [[PlayerCharacter an InnocentBystander ([[PlayerCharacter the Dragonborn]]), just to be sure. Although it is ultimately up to the player, that incident incited ''a lot'' of players to join [[LaResistance the Stormcloaks]], as well as making the Empire look like a bunch of bloodthirsty, oppressive invaders in the eyes of newcomers to the Elder Scrolls series. Threads discussing the motivations to join one side over the other will often be littered with ''"I joined the Stormcloaks because the Imperials tried to cut my head off !"''
8th Oct '17 3:51:56 PM tsstevens
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: "Hero" being used ''very'' loosely here, but the idea remains; she wanted to make sure Ulfric and his lieutenants were going to be executed, to the point of ordering the death of two InnocentBystanders (Lokir and [[PlayerCharacter the Dragonborn]]), just to be sure. Although it is ultimately up to the player, that incident incited ''a lot'' of players to join [[LaResistance the Stormcloaks]], as well as making the Empire look like a bunch of bloodthirsty, oppressive invaders in the eyes of newcomers to the Elder Scrolls series. Threads discussing the motivations to join one side over the other will often be littered with ''"I joined the Stormcloaks because the Imperials tried to cut my head off !"''

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: "Hero" being used ''very'' loosely here, but the idea remains; she NiceJobFixingItVillain: She wanted to make sure Ulfric and his lieutenants were going to be executed, to the point of ordering the death of two InnocentBystanders (Lokir and [[PlayerCharacter the Dragonborn]]), just to be sure. Although it is ultimately up to the player, that incident incited ''a lot'' of players to join [[LaResistance the Stormcloaks]], as well as making the Empire look like a bunch of bloodthirsty, oppressive invaders in the eyes of newcomers to the Elder Scrolls series. Threads discussing the motivations to join one side over the other will often be littered with ''"I joined the Stormcloaks because the Imperials tried to cut my head off !"''
23rd Sep '17 12:21:34 PM Forenperser
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* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: Their goals are the destruction of Mundus and a return to the original state of existence, a goal which about half the cultures of Tamriel would support. Unfortunately, their current method requires the removal of humanity from the mythic. However, it is possible that the ''souls'' of the dead humans would return to the original state along with everyone else; consider there is no such thing as a "human" soul. There's nothing to excuse the fact that they are [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis By Another Name]], though.



* WellIntentionedExtremist: Their goals are the destruction of Mundus and a return to the original state of existence, a goal which about half the cultures of Tamriel would support. Unfortunately, their current method requires the removal of humanity from the mythic. However, it is possible that the ''souls'' of the dead humans would return to the original state along with everyone else; consider there is no such thing as a "human" soul. There's nothing to excuse the fact that they are [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis By Another Name]], though.

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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Their goals are the destruction of Mundus and a return to the original state of existence, a goal which about half the cultures of Tamriel would support. Unfortunately, their current method requires the removal of humanity from the mythic. However, it is possible that the ''souls'' of the dead humans would return to the original state along with everyone else; consider there is no such thing as a "human" soul. There's nothing to excuse the fact that they are [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis By Another Name]], though.
24th Aug '17 8:00:08 PM MissMokushiroku
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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Oh, so very, very much. All that can be said conclusively about both the Empire and the Stormcloaks is that neither of them is a shining beacon of virtue, but you can't classify either as "evil" because there are perfectly valid viewpoints and good men and women holding them on both sides. Even the Thalmor are just a very, very dark gray, as their ultimate goal is something other elven races probably wouldn't mind (namely, "Escape from the prison that is the Mundus"), ''if'' they weren't being such genocidal pricks in their campaign to achieve that goal (IE: "Destroy the prison and everyone who doesn't agree with us that it ''is'' a prison").

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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Oh, so very, very much. GreyAndGrayMorality:
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All that can be said conclusively about both the Empire and the Stormcloaks is that neither of them is a shining beacon of virtue, but you can't classify either as "evil" because there are perfectly valid viewpoints and good men and women holding them on both sides. Even the Thalmor are just a very, very dark gray, as their ultimate goal is something other elven races probably wouldn't mind (namely, "Escape from the prison that is the Mundus"), ''if'' they weren't being such genocidal pricks in their campaign to achieve that goal (IE: "Destroy the prison and everyone who doesn't agree with us that it ''is'' a prison").



* NotSoDifferent: The Empire and Stormcloaks both want to return to Talos worship and end the civil war to prepare for an inevitable second war with the Thalmor, and Tullius and Ulfric are both crusty, battle-hardened military leaders. Eavesdropping on their conversations with Rikke / Galmar often reveals very similar conversations taking place, ''especially'' during "Season Unending" where the two sides try to negotiate a truce. For example, when the player overhears them discussing the Jagged Crown as a symbol of legitimacy to the throne.
-->'''Ulfric:''' "Tell me again why we're wasting time and dwindling resources chasing a legend. We don't even know it exists!" \\

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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferent:
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The Empire and Stormcloaks both want to return to Talos worship and end the civil war to prepare for an inevitable second war with the Thalmor, and Tullius and Ulfric are both crusty, battle-hardened military leaders. Eavesdropping on their conversations with Rikke / Galmar often reveals very similar conversations taking place, ''especially'' during "Season Unending" where the two sides try to negotiate a truce. For example, when the player overhears them discussing the Jagged Crown as a symbol of legitimacy to the throne.
-->'''Ulfric:''' --->'''Ulfric:''' "Tell me again why we're wasting time and dwindling resources chasing a legend. We don't even know it exists!" \\



-->'''Tullius:''' "Tell me again, why I'm wasting men chasing after a fairy tale." \\

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-->'''Tullius:''' --->'''Tullius:''' "Tell me again, why I'm wasting men chasing after a fairy tale." \\



** He's also aware there are other threats besides bandits, dragons and the Civil War.

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** He's also aware there are other threats besides bandits, dragons and the Civil War. (For a dash of savvy in these quotes, one of the members of the Companions is Vignar Gray-Mane, a Stormcloak-sympathizer who takes Balgruuf's place as Jarl should the Stormcloaks take over. Balgruuf knows where the loyalties of his citizens lie.)



*** For a dash of savvy in those quotes, one of the members of the Companions is Vignar Gray-Mane, a Stormcloak-sympathizer who takes Balgruuf's place as Jarl should the Stormcloaks take over. Balgruuf knows where the loyalties of his citizens lie.



* WhatTheHellHero: If you betray him in the civil war.
--> '''Balgruuf:''' "And you. A Stormcloak! I thought better of you. You'll all come to regret this day!"

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* WhatTheHellHero: WhatTheHellHero:
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If you betray him in the civil war.
--> ---> '''Balgruuf:''' "And you. A Stormcloak! I thought better of you. You'll all come to regret this day!"



--> '''Balgruuf''': "I won't say it again, Vignar - Talos worship is forbidden. It's the Empire's law, and we're still a part of the Empire."\\

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--> ---> '''Balgruuf''': "I won't say it again, Vignar - Talos worship is forbidden. It's the Empire's law, and we're still a part of the Empire."\\



* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: She takes threats to her hold very seriously, and is one of the more approachable Jarls (she allows commoners to petition her directly, for example, and she never speaks down to them), but she often lacks the experience needed to properly prioritize threats. The reports of odd noises and sightings coming from a cave would have required perhaps a patrol to investigate, with a larger detachment at the ready in case it was truly serious. Elisif's response was to send a full legion, potentially leaving her hold lightly defended during the dragon attacks and CivilWar. Falk opts for a more tempered response.
** Ironically, however, her response actually ''matches'' the seriousness of the situation at Wolfskull Cave, where necromancers are attempting to resurrect [[TheCaligula Potema]]. Falk is prepared to let the matter pass until one person volunteers to go check it out. He's ''very'' lucky that one person was [[OneManArmy the Dragonborn]], or else the necromancers might have succeeded. Notably, when further complications arise due to the summoning, Falk ''instantly'' sends for the player again.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: She takes threats to her hold very seriously, and is one of the more approachable Jarls (she allows commoners to petition her directly, for example, and she never speaks down to them), but she often lacks the experience needed to properly prioritize threats. The reports of odd noises and sightings coming from a cave would have required perhaps a patrol to investigate, with a larger detachment at the ready in case it was truly serious. Elisif's response was to send a full legion, potentially leaving her hold lightly defended during the dragon attacks and CivilWar. Falk opts for a more tempered response. \n** Ironically, however, her response actually ''matches'' the seriousness of the situation at Wolfskull Cave, where necromancers are attempting to resurrect [[TheCaligula Potema]]. Falk is prepared to let the matter pass until one person volunteers to go check it out. He's ''very'' lucky that one person was [[OneManArmy the Dragonborn]], or else the necromancers might have succeeded. Notably, when further complications arise due to the summoning, Falk ''instantly'' sends for the player again.



* CoolOldLady: One of the most personable and intelligent Jarls on the Imperial side.
** If you've ingratiated yourself with her before "Diplomatic Immunity", [[spoiler:she is willing to provide you a distraction in the Thalmor Embassy, no questions asked, simply because it'll liven up the party and she wants to have some fun]].

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* CoolOldLady: One of the most personable and intelligent Jarls on the Imperial side.
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side. If you've ingratiated yourself with her before "Diplomatic Immunity", [[spoiler:she is willing to provide you a distraction in the Thalmor Embassy, no questions asked, simply because it'll liven up the party and she wants to have some fun]].



* UpperClassTwit: He doesn't do much of anything except enjoy the privileges of his station. Fortunately, his high elf steward Nenya knows what to do so the hold doesn't fall apart.

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* UpperClassTwit: UpperClassTwit:
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He doesn't do much of anything except enjoy the privileges of his station. Fortunately, his high elf steward Nenya knows what to do so the hold doesn't fall apart.



** Might be one of the reasons that she believes in EqualOpportunityEvil.



* NiceGuy: Even before becoming Jarl, he will pay the Dragonborn to get rid of bandits who are targeting Dunmers and Khajiit caravans because the bandits know that Ulfric will do nothing about it, since the victims are not Nords.

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* NiceGuy: NiceGuy:
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Even before becoming Jarl, he will pay the Dragonborn to get rid of bandits who are targeting Dunmers and Khajiit caravans because the bandits know that Ulfric will do nothing about it, since the victims are not Nords.



* [[NoTrueScotsman No True Nord]]: He hangs a lampshade on the trope, decrying its use by the Stormcloaks.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Within ''hours'' of getting his new job, he's already met with the dark elves of the ghetto-like Gray District to develop renovation plans, and is seeking a way to let the Argonians into the city without increasing the town's already huge racial tensions. He even keeps most of Ulfric's staff on hand since they know their jobs well enough, and offers lodging to the deposed Jarls who were supporting Ulfric.
** Much like Balgruuf, many Imperial-aligned players say that putting Brunwulf on the Windhelm throne is one of the reasons that they back the Empire.

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* [[NoTrueScotsman No True Nord]]: NoTrueScotsman: He hangs a lampshade on the trope, decrying its use by the Stormcloaks.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Within ''hours'' of getting his new job, he's already met with the dark elves of the ghetto-like Gray District to develop renovation plans, and is seeking a way to let the Argonians into the city without increasing the town's already huge racial tensions. He even keeps most of Ulfric's staff on hand since they know their jobs well enough, and offers lodging to the deposed Jarls who were supporting Ulfric.
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Ulfric. Much like with Balgruuf, many Imperial-aligned players say that putting Brunwulf on the Windhelm throne is one of the reasons that they back the Empire.



* {{Jerkass}}: His servant Bulfrek wants to join the Stormcloaks to prove himself a worthy Nord. When he asks Skald for leave to do so, Skald laughs at the idea of a servant wanting to be a warrior.

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* {{Jerkass}}: {{Jerkass}}:
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His servant Bulfrek wants to join the Stormcloaks to prove himself a worthy Nord. When he asks Skald for leave to do so, Skald laughs at the idea of a servant wanting to be a warrior.



* LeeroyJenkins: Has this mentality when it comes to allocating troops to the Stormcloak cause, which pretty much leaves Dawnstar undefended. His own housecarl (politely) accuses him of not understanding the magnitude of the Civil War.

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* LeeroyJenkins: LeeroyJenkins:
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Has this mentality when it comes to allocating troops to the Stormcloak cause, which pretty much leaves Dawnstar undefended. His own housecarl (politely) accuses him of not understanding the magnitude of the Civil War.



* YouHaveToBelieveMe: Often rabbles about how there are Imperial spies in Dawnstar but no one believes him.

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* YouHaveToBelieveMe: Often He often rabbles about how there are Imperial spies in Dawnstar Dawnstar, but no one believes him.



* DudeWheresMyRespect: The destruction of most of his city has really damaged his Hold's reputation in Skyrim, and he's outraged that he commands so little respect and authority among the other Jarls because of this.
** To become Thane, he sends the Dragonborn to retrieve the lost Helm of Winterhold, the crown worn by a former prospective High King who would have ruled with Winterhold as his seat of power. Korir wants it to remind the other Holds of their historical importance and the fact that they once rivaled Windhelm and Solitude in terms of power.

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* DudeWheresMyRespect: DudeWheresMyRespect:
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The destruction of most of his city has really damaged his Hold's reputation in Skyrim, and he's outraged that he commands so little respect and authority among the other Jarls because of this.
** To In the quest to become Thane, Thane of Winterhold, he sends the Dragonborn to retrieve the lost Helm of Winterhold, the crown worn by a former prospective High King who would have ruled with Winterhold as his seat of power. Korir wants it to remind the other Holds of their historical importance and the fact that they once rivaled Windhelm and Solitude in terms of power.



* ConspiracyTheorist: Thinks that there are Imperial spies all around him. Even his own brother (with whom he lives) is kinda fed up with it.
** [[spoiler:Unlike Skald, however, some of his paranoia [[ProperlyParanoid appears to have some merit]] when you do some of his side quests. Somewhat.]]
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: At least more reasonable than his nephew Siddgeir.

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* ConspiracyTheorist: Thinks that there are Imperial spies all around him. Even his own brother (with whom he lives) is kinda fed up with it.
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it. [[spoiler:Unlike with Skald, however, some of his paranoia [[ProperlyParanoid appears to have some merit]] when you do some of his side quests. Somewhat.]]
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: At least more reasonable than his nephew Siddgeir. He's the only replacement Jarl to ask you to perform a task before naming you Thane. However, he's asking you to do it because bandits are attacking innocents, compared to his nephew's selfish reasons.



** To put it into perspective, he's the only replacement Jarl to ask you to perform a task before naming you Thane. However, he's asking you to do it because bandits are attacking innocents, compared to his nephew's selfish reasons.



** Even more impressive when using a mod that adds hypothermia to the game. Step one of your initiation is simply to get to the iceberg without freezing. Without a boat.



* ScrewYouElves: They are very open about their hatred for the Dominion, which [[ANaziByAnyOtherName is fully justified]].
** Many of their supporters unfortunately direct this vitriol towards other elves as well, such as the Dunmer or (non-Thalmor) Altmer, despite both groups being persecuted by the Thalmor and the latter [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch despising them]] just as much as the Stormcloaks do.

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* ScrewYouElves: They are very open about their hatred for the Dominion, which [[ANaziByAnyOtherName is fully justified]].
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justified]]. Many of their supporters unfortunately direct this vitriol towards other elves as well, such as the Dunmer or (non-Thalmor) non-Thalmor Altmer, despite both groups being persecuted by the Thalmor and the latter [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch despising them]] just as much as the Stormcloaks do.



* AuthorityEqualsAsskicking: Ulfric is the leader of the Stormcloak rebellion and one of the fiercest warriors in Skyrim. He expects this of other leaders also, offering this reasoning for his actions at the Blue Palace.

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* AuthorityEqualsAsskicking: Ulfric is the leader of the Stormcloak rebellion and one of the fiercest warriors in Skyrim. He expects this of other leaders also, offering this reasoning for his actions at the Blue Palace. Somewhat tellingly, out of all the Jarls in the game, Ulfric is the ''only'' one who actually acts like a Germanic king.



** Somewhat tellingly, out of all the Jarls in the game, Ulfric is the ''only'' one who actually acts like a Germanic king.



* BerserkButton: The Thalmor in general, and Elenwen in particular.
** His dislike for Elenwen is so intense that during "Season Unending," if you agree to kick her out of the peace conference, it is considered a major concession on the Stormcloak side, and Ulfric will be willing to yield a minor hold to the Empire in exchange for it. In other words, Ulfric is willing to give up an entire hold just so he doesn't need to be in the same room as Elenwen. The fact that Elenwen is the main architect of the Thalmor inquisition that oppresses Talos worshipers also has something to do with it.

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* BerserkButton: The Thalmor in general, and Elenwen in particular.
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particular. His dislike for Elenwen is so intense that during "Season Unending," if you agree to kick her out of the peace conference, it is considered a major concession on the Stormcloak side, and Ulfric will be willing to yield a minor hold to the Empire in exchange for it. In other words, Ulfric is willing to give up an entire hold just so he doesn't need to be in the same room as Elenwen. The fact that Elenwen is the main architect of the Thalmor inquisition that oppresses Talos worshipers also has something to do with it.



** If there were no engine constraints, it's likely "Stormblade" would become your last name in Skyrim, given its similarity to other Nordic names: Two words and given for an honorable reason. This effectively makes your family the Karstarks to the Stormcloak family's Starks.



* TheDreaded: The Empire ''and'' the Thalmor fear him with good reason.

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* TheDreaded: TheDreaded:
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The Empire ''and'' the Thalmor fear him with good reason.



* ElectiveMonarchy: What he ends up as in the Stormcloak campaign. It's worth noting that, as his victory over the Imperial Legion was absolute and his army was the most powerful force in Skyrim, he was in the position to bypass this and declare himself king outright. He brings this up in his speech to his men, but he further says that he will not as he respects the tradition too much.

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* ElectiveMonarchy: What he ends up as in the Stormcloak campaign. It's worth noting that, as his victory over the Imperial Legion was absolute and his army was the most powerful force in Skyrim, he was in the position to bypass this and declare himself king outright. He brings this up in his speech to his men, but he further says that he will not as he respects the tradition too much. He knows his election as king will be a foregone conclusion (with Stormcloak-friendly Jarls replacing Imperial friendly ones), and the Nords flock to him as a champion of their traditions. To violate them needlessly would be suicide for him.



** As the quote indicates, he goes along because he knows his election as king will be a foregone conclusion (with Stormcloak-friendly Jarls replacing Imperial friendly ones), and the Nords flock to him as a champion of their traditions. To violate them needlessly would be suicide for him.



** JerkWithAHeartOfGold: But there is certainly nobility and honor in his heart nonetheless.
* JerkassHasAPoint: Invoked and discussed on the opposite side of the war; quite a few people in the western portion of Skyrim feel he's right on certain matters and sympathize with him due to his ideology if nothing else. One example of these is Raerek - a steward to an Imperial-aligned Jarl. Similarly, [[spoiler:Tullius, at the end of the Stormcloak campaign and before his execution, admits that for all his hatred of them, the Stormcloaks do have several salient points regarding the Legion and Skyrim's future.]]

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** * JerkWithAHeartOfGold: But there is certainly nobility and honor in his heart nonetheless.
* JerkassHasAPoint: Invoked and discussed on the opposite side of the war; quite a few people in the western portion of Skyrim feel he's right on certain matters and sympathize with him due to his ideology if nothing else. One example of these is Raerek - a steward to an Imperial-aligned Jarl. Similarly, [[spoiler:Tullius, at the end of the Stormcloak campaign and before his execution, admits that for all his hatred of them, the Stormcloaks do have several salient points regarding the Legion and Skyrim's future. If he shows up during Elenwen's party during the main quest, he'll even go so far as to say that it almost makes him want to join them. Almost.]]



** [[spoiler:Tullius]] will give similar and even more sympathetic sentiments about the Stormcloaks [[spoiler:if he shows up during Elenwen's party during the main quest, even going so far as to say that it almost makes him want to join them. Almost.]]



* OverratedAndUnderleveled: The game practically turns Ulfric into a king-slaying, [[LoudOfWar Thu'um throwing]] MemeticBadass, if dialogue is to be believed. Yet when an Imperial-aligned Dragonborn storms his castle, Galmar is harder to kill than he is.

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* OverratedAndUnderleveled: OverratedAndUnderleveled:
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The game practically turns Ulfric into a king-slaying, [[LoudOfWar Thu'um throwing]] MemeticBadass, if dialogue is to be believed. Yet when an Imperial-aligned Dragonborn storms his castle, Galmar is harder to kill than he is.



* NiceGuy: Regardless of your race ("You don't have to be a Nord to fight for Skyrim's freedom!"), Ralof will try to help you in the prologue, including leading you to safety when you seem disoriented and shocked by the dragon's attack. Considering the Stormcloaks are known for their dislike of other races (especially Imperials and elves), this is quite telling.
** Not to mention his friendliness on the way to his own execution, as he strikes up conversation with the player character and makes an effort to calm an increasingly panicked Lokir, both of whom are complete strangers to him. He also shows his openmindedness at the Guardian Stones. He is elated if the Dragonborn chooses the Warrior stone, but is more accepting of spellcasters and thieves than many other Nords, especially among the warlike Stormcloaks. If you select the Mage stone, he sounds a bit skeptical, but quickly concedes "to each his own" and admits it's not for him to judge. Picking the Thief stone elicits Ralof's sympathetic reassurance that it's never too late to change, as he seemingly takes your choice to mean you have a seedy past. All in all, he's one of the friendlier faces you encounter in the opening act of the game, and one of the few characters in all the land to be warm to you from your first encounter.

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* NiceGuy: Regardless of your race ("You don't have to be a Nord to fight for Skyrim's freedom!"), Ralof will try to help you in the prologue, including leading you to safety when you seem disoriented and shocked by the dragon's attack. Considering the Stormcloaks are known for their dislike of other races (especially Imperials and elves), this is quite telling.
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telling. There's also his friendliness on the way to his own execution, as he strikes up conversation with the player character and makes an effort to calm an increasingly panicked Lokir, both of whom are complete strangers to him. He also shows his openmindedness at the Guardian Stones. He is elated if the Dragonborn chooses the Warrior stone, but is more accepting of spellcasters and thieves than many other Nords, especially among the warlike Stormcloaks. If you select the Mage stone, he sounds a bit skeptical, but quickly concedes "to each his own" and admits it's not for him to judge. Picking the Thief stone elicits Ralof's sympathetic reassurance that it's never too late to change, as he seemingly takes your choice to mean you have a seedy past. All in all, he's one of the friendlier faces you encounter in the opening act of the game, and one of the few characters in all the land to be warm to you from your first encounter.



* AwesomeMcCoolname: All of their sobriquets. Frozen-Heart, Thrice-Pierced, Sun-Killer, Cairn-Breaker, Banner-Torn, Oath-Giver...

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* AwesomeMcCoolname: AwesomeMcCoolname:
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All of their sobriquets. Frozen-Heart, Thrice-Pierced, Sun-Killer, Cairn-Breaker, Banner-Torn, Oath-Giver...



* CulturalPosturing: He's fond of this. And not just towards Skyrim, but to ''every'' non-Imperial culture. He's quite ignorant and disdainful of Nord culture in particular, taking a moment while sentencing Ulfric to death to note he'll send him to "wherever it is you people go".
--> ''If it wasn't for the Legion, the provinces would descend to barbarity and anarchy. Including Skyrim, especially Skyrim.''
** On the other hand, after the Civil war is over, he admits he respects the Nords and has come to enjoy Skyrim, seeing the land's harshness as carving a man's true nature from him, and is considering retiring there rather than in his native Cyrodiil.

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* CulturalPosturing: He's fond of this. And not just towards Skyrim, but to ''every'' non-Imperial culture. He's quite ignorant and disdainful of Nord culture in particular, taking a moment while sentencing Ulfric to death to note he'll send him to "wherever it is you people go".
go". On the other hand, after the Civil War is over, he admits he respects the Nords and has come to enjoy Skyrim, seeing the land's harshness as carving a man's true nature from him, and is considering retiring there rather than in his native Cyrodiil.
--> ''If it wasn't for the Legion, the provinces would descend to barbarity and anarchy. Including Skyrim, especially Skyrim. Especially Skyrim.''
** On the other hand, after the Civil war is over, he admits he respects the Nords and has come to enjoy Skyrim, seeing the land's harshness as carving a man's true nature from him, and is considering retiring there rather than in his native Cyrodiil.
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* IllPretendIDidntHearThat: Has this personal policy towards any accidental off-hand profession of Talos worship amongst his troops.
--> (Ulfric lies dead at the end of the Civil War)\\

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* IllPretendIDidntHearThat: IllPretendIDidntHearThat:
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Has this personal policy towards any accidental off-hand profession of Talos worship amongst his troops.
--> ---> (Ulfric lies dead at the end of the Civil War)\\



** Invokes this on the player when spoken to after the war. He tells the player that with Ulfric dead, he thinks most of the Stormcloaks will accept the war is over and return home, save for the most diehard believers, and Skyrim will be peaceful again. He admits though he's not so sure about the truce with the Thalmor lasting, but tells the player to keep it between them and him.

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** Invokes He invokes this on the player when spoken to after the war. He tells the player that with Ulfric dead, he thinks most of the Stormcloaks will accept the war is over and return home, save for the most diehard believers, and Skyrim will be peaceful again. He admits though he's not so sure about the truce with the Thalmor lasting, but tells the player to keep it between them and him.



* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: If you think the Empire is necessary for Skyrim's protection and prosperity. He's also generally good to his men, and even doubles their pay if the Empire wins the war. After the Imperial campaign, he says that while he may never understand Nords, he's come to respect them. In addition to this, when Alduin attacks Helgen, the first thing Tullius says is "Guards, get the townspeople to safety!" even though he could quite easily have ordered his men to pursue the escaping Ulfric instead.
** Another example that can happen during the same sequence. If the Dragonborn, still bound and helpless (and still by all rights a criminal) runs up to Tullius during the attack, he'll simply bark out an almost stupefied "RUN, you idiot!" In the wake of a dragon attack, even a criminal gets Tullius' benefit of the doubt. Sort of.

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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: JerkWithAHeartOfGold:
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If you think the Empire is necessary for Skyrim's protection and prosperity. He's also generally good to his men, and even doubles their pay if the Empire wins the war. After the Imperial campaign, he says that while he may never understand Nords, he's come to respect them. In addition to this, when Alduin attacks Helgen, the first thing Tullius says is "Guards, get the townspeople to safety!" even though he could quite easily have ordered his men to pursue the escaping Ulfric instead.
** Another example that can happen during the same sequence. If the Dragonborn, still bound and helpless (and still by all rights a criminal) runs up to Tullius during the attack, he'll simply bark out an almost stupefied "RUN, you idiot!" In the wake of a dragon attack, even a criminal gets Tullius' benefit of the doubt. Sort of.



* NiceGuy: He's visibly uncomfortable with executing people without cause, and honestly apologizes to you for the fact that his captain is insisting that you die alongside the Stormcloaks. He also won't hesitate to help you when a dragon arrives, regardless of your race. And while other Legionnaires are disturbingly gung-ho about killing Stormcloaks, he actually feels bad about killing his countrymen and wishes there could be a peaceful resolution soon.

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* NiceGuy: NiceGuy:
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He's visibly uncomfortable with executing people without cause, and honestly apologizes to you for the fact that his captain is insisting that you die alongside the Stormcloaks. He also won't hesitate to help you when a dragon arrives, regardless of your race. And while other Legionnaires are disturbingly gung-ho about killing Stormcloaks, he actually feels bad about killing his countrymen and wishes there could be a peaceful resolution soon.



* DeathByIrony: If you follow Ralof, then you encounter the captain and a subordinate trying to escape, and get to kill them. In such an event, the captain's overt hostility may have been a direct influence on the Dragonborn to join the Stormcloaks.
** For added irony, the very first weapon you'll pick up if you follow Ralof is an [[AnAxeToGrind axe]], which you'll have to go out of your way not to kill her with.

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* DeathByIrony: If you follow Ralof, then you encounter the captain and a subordinate trying to escape, and get to kill them. In such an event, the captain's overt hostility may have been a direct influence on the Dragonborn to join the Stormcloaks.
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Stormcloaks. For added irony, the very first weapon you'll pick up if you follow Ralof is an [[AnAxeToGrind axe]], which you'll have to go out of your way not to kill her with.



* ColdBloodedTorture: Detailed in one note in the Thalmor Embassy.
** And vividly demonstrated on at least one occasion - during "Diplomatic Immunity" you [[spoiler:sneak into the Thalmor Embassy's dungeon, which gives you a front-row seat for the "[[DeadlyEuphemism Intermediate Manual Uncoiling]]" of their current prisoner.]]

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* ColdBloodedTorture: Detailed in one note in the Thalmor Embassy.
** And
Embassy and vividly demonstrated on at least one occasion - during "Diplomatic Immunity" you [[spoiler:sneak into the Thalmor Embassy's dungeon, which gives you a front-row seat for the "[[DeadlyEuphemism Intermediate Manual Uncoiling]]" of their current prisoner.]]



* FakeUltimateHero: They first came to power by claiming to have saved the Summerset Isles from the Oblivion Crisis when the Daedra attacking it suddenly disappeared. In fact (as anyone who's played ''Oblivion'' would know), that was actually because of [[spoiler:Martin Septim's HeroicSacrifice against Mehrunes Dagon.]]

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* FakeUltimateHero: FakeUltimateHero:
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They first came to power by claiming to have saved the Summerset Isles from the Oblivion Crisis when the Daedra attacking it suddenly disappeared. In fact (as anyone who's played ''Oblivion'' would know), that was actually because of [[spoiler:Martin Septim's HeroicSacrifice against Mehrunes Dagon.]]



* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler:It's heavily implied he is killed when/if the Stormcloaks take control of Markarth. He disappears, and a coffin containing items he carries can be found in the Hall of the Dead.]]
** Even if he isn't [[spoiler:killed by the Stormcloaks]], he can [[spoiler:easily be killed by ''you'' by simply walking up to him and [[MakeMeWannaShout Shouting]] him down the stairs. Killing him and his bodyguards will set all the guards into "Stop right there criminal scum!" mode, but you only have to pay a measly forty septims for assault, and can just have his corpse looted so you just make your money back. [[ExpansionPack Dawnguard]] offers new and [[AnimateDead corpse]][=/=][[YourSoulIsMine soul-defiling]] methods to kill him with the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], and Dragonborn grants you even crueller ways to kill him.]]
** It turns out that there are DummiedOut civil war scenes concerning the ousting of a besieged Jarl by you, your chosen side's NumberTwo, and the replacement Jarl. In the case of Markarth, a portion after the ousting of Igmund, we get to see Galmar give Ondolemar a "not so fast" call-out, and then axe Ondolemar dead after forcing him to his knees and enduring one last act of verbal defiance.

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* AssholeVictim: AssholeVictim:
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[[spoiler:It's heavily implied he is killed when/if the Stormcloaks take control of Markarth. He disappears, and a coffin containing items he carries can be found in the Hall of the Dead.]]
** Even if he isn't [[spoiler:killed by the Stormcloaks]], he can [[spoiler:easily easily be killed by ''you'' by simply walking up to him and [[MakeMeWannaShout Shouting]] him down the stairs. Killing him and his bodyguards will set all the guards into "Stop right there criminal scum!" mode, but you only have to pay a measly forty septims for assault, and can just have his corpse looted so you just make your money back. [[ExpansionPack Dawnguard]] "[[ExpansionPack Dawnguard]]" offers new and [[AnimateDead corpse]][=/=][[YourSoulIsMine soul-defiling]] methods to kill him with the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], and Dragonborn "Dragonborn" grants you even crueller ways to kill him.]]
him.
** It turns out that there There are DummiedOut civil war scenes concerning the ousting of a besieged Jarl by you, your chosen side's NumberTwo, and the replacement Jarl. In the case of Markarth, a portion after the ousting of Igmund, we get to see Galmar give Ondolemar a "not so fast" call-out, and then axe Ondolemar dead after forcing him to his knees and enduring one last act of verbal defiance.
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