History Characters / SkyrimCivilWar

9th Jan '17 7:06:00 PM DustSnitch
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* {{Badass}}: Say what you will about him, but when you set out to capture [[spoiler:Odahviing]], he'll happily raise an axe alongside his housecarl and guards and try to help you take the dragon down. Similarly, he'll personally fight to defend himself against Stormcloaks during the siege of Whiterun. He tells his Housecarl Irileth (essentially his most loyal bodyguard) that he will not let his city fall without raising a sword in its defense.
** Similarly, he's more then willing to challenge Jarl Ulfric - the man who murdered the High King with the very same power wielded by the dragonborn - to one-on-one combat, and seems grimly satisfied with his chances.



* {{Badass}}: You have to admit, it does take balls for a frail old man to charge into a massive siege and fight the good fight.



* {{Badass}}: It takes a lot of willpower to continue ruling a meager excuse of a land in the absolute freezing north of the most inhospitable land in Tamriel beset on all sides by the most fearsome of animals and men. Being willing to punch dragons to death also makes him cool.



* {{Badass}}: He used to be a member of the Companions. He's still got it.
** BadassGrandpa: Looks to be in his late sixties. For 30 years he was a commander in the Imperial Legions, and that was apparently ''after'' he had already made a name for himself as one of the most badass Companions ever, so yeah.
** BadassMustache: The mustache is a first-hand indicator of badassery.

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* {{Badass}}: He used to be a member of the Companions. He's still got it.
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BadassGrandpa: Looks to be in his late sixties. For 30 years he was a commander in the Imperial Legions, and that was apparently ''after'' he had already made a name for himself as one of the most badass Companions ever, so yeah.
** * BadassMustache: The mustache is a first-hand indicator of badassery.



* {{Badass}}: The Orc blacksmith at Understone Keep served alongside Thongvor in the Legion, and he mentions him as being a good man and a tough soldier.
** BadassBeard: Nord.
** RetiredBadass: Used to be a Legionnaire.

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* {{Badass}}: The Orc blacksmith at Understone Keep served alongside Thongvor in the Legion, and he mentions him as being a good man and a tough soldier.
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BadassBeard: Nord.
** RetiredBadass: Used to be a Legionnaire.
Nord.



* RetiredBadass: Used to be a Legionnaire.



* {{Badass}}: Out of all the Jarls of Skyrim and everyone associated with the Civil War, Ulfric us undeniably the most badass.
** BadassBaritone: By the King of Badass Vikings himself - Vladimir Kulich.
** BadassBeard: Because Nord.
** BadassInCharge: Of Eastmarch, the Stormcloak rebellion and half of Skyrim. Potentially the whole of Skyrim, if you join him.
** BadassFamily: [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/arms-and-armor-nordic-champion-skegglund-stormcloak This is Skegglund Stormcloak. He is one of Ulfric's ancestors]]. Also, as a Jarl of Skyrim, he possibly has a line of descent going straight to Shor-damned Ysgramor himself.
** BadassLongcoat: As mentioned above, it's made of chainmail and plate. However, it has an abysmal armour rating so it's basically worthless as protection.

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* {{Badass}}: Out of all BadassBaritone: By the Jarls King of Skyrim and everyone associated with the Civil War, Ulfric us undeniably the most badass.Badass Vikings himself - Vladimir Kulich.
** BadassBaritone: By the King of Badass Vikings himself - Vladimir Kulich.* BadassBeard: Because Nord.
** BadassBeard: Because Nord.
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* BadassInCharge: Of Eastmarch, the Stormcloak rebellion and half of Skyrim. Potentially the whole of Skyrim, if you join him.
** * BadassFamily: [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/arms-and-armor-nordic-champion-skegglund-stormcloak This is Skegglund Stormcloak. He is one of Ulfric's ancestors]]. Also, as a Jarl of Skyrim, he possibly has a line of descent going straight to Shor-damned Ysgramor himself.
** * BadassLongcoat: As mentioned above, it's made of chainmail and plate. However, it has an abysmal armour rating so it's basically worthless as protection.



* {{Badass}}: Putting it mildly.



* {{Badass}}: In-universe, surviving Helgen qualifies anyone for this label. Additionally, he's one of the few rank and file soldiers who will under all circumstances keep up with both you and Galmar in combat, and is one of the few who's with you two when you fight through into Dragonsreach. He also helps you take down Balgruuf.



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* {{Badass}}: In-universe, surviving Helgen qualifies you.



* {{Badass}}: Say what you will about Titus Mede's policies, but anyone who can fight off the Thalmor is Badass indeed. After an initial rampage, he reunited the remaining Empire forces and gave the Thalmor a CurbStompBattle that forced them into the stalemate they exist in now. He apparently did this all while fighting on the front lines, then hanged Lord Naarfin, the enemy general, in a crow cage outside White Gold Tower for thirty-three days. When he shows up in the actual game, [[spoiler:he calmly accepts his death and tells you to get it over with]].
** BadassBeard: A very impressive beard, and he's quite the badass.
** BadassGrandpa: By now, he looks like he's in his sixties.
** BadassInCharge: Of the Empire as a whole; he even led the forces on the front lines.
** BadassLongrobe: A unique set called "Emperor's Robes". They look cool and add to his badass image.

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* {{Badass}}: Say what you will about Titus Mede's policies, but anyone who can fight off the Thalmor is Badass indeed. After an initial rampage, he reunited the remaining Empire forces and gave the Thalmor a CurbStompBattle that forced them into the stalemate they exist in now. He apparently did this all while fighting on the front lines, then hanged Lord Naarfin, the enemy general, in a crow cage outside White Gold Tower for thirty-three days. When he shows up in the actual game, [[spoiler:he calmly accepts his death and tells you to get it over with]].
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BadassBeard: A very impressive beard, and he's quite the badass.
** * BadassGrandpa: By now, he looks like he's in his sixties.
** * BadassInCharge: Of the Empire as a whole; he even led the forces on the front lines.
** * BadassLongrobe: A unique set called "Emperor's Robes". They look cool and add to his badass image.



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* {{Badass}}: He's surprisingly competent compared to the rest of his colleagues.
11th Dec '16 2:27:33 PM OG-Sama
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** Similarly, he's more then willing to challenge Jarl Ulfric - the man who murdered the High King with the very same power wielded by the dragonborn - to one-on-one combat, and seems grimly satisfied with his chances.
10th Dec '16 7:08:29 PM Toadofsteel
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** Ironically, however, her response actually ''matches'' the seriousness of the situation at Wolfskull Cave, where necromancers are attempting to resurrect [[TheCaligula Potema]]. Falk is prepared to let the matter pass until one person volunteers to go check it out. He's ''very'' lucky that one person was [[OneManArmy the Dragonborn]], or else the necromancers might have succeeded.

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** Ironically, however, her response actually ''matches'' the seriousness of the situation at Wolfskull Cave, where necromancers are attempting to resurrect [[TheCaligula Potema]]. Falk is prepared to let the matter pass until one person volunteers to go check it out. He's ''very'' lucky that one person was [[OneManArmy the Dragonborn]], or else the necromancers might have succeeded. Notably, when further complications arise due to the summoning, Falk ''instantly'' sends for the player again.
2nd Dec '16 7:33:05 AM Gregzilla
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* AxeCrazy: Exhibits slight shades of this in combat. Fairly standard for Nords.

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* AxeCrazy: AxCrazy: Exhibits slight shades of this in combat. Fairly standard for Nords.



* AxeCrazy: He enjoys his position as a torturer. Think about that.

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* AxeCrazy: AxCrazy: He enjoys his position as a torturer. Think about that.
1st Dec '16 11:00:58 PM Gregzilla
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* RightForTheWrongReasons: Both sides suspect that the Dragon attack on Helgen was orchestrated by the other side and it wasn't a coincidence that it showed up just as Ulfric was about to be executed. They're wrong about the former and only partially correct about the latter. The ''real'' reason [[spoiler: Alduin]] showed up was because of ''the Dragonborn'', whose head was resting on the chopping block at the time.

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* RightForTheWrongReasons: Both sides suspect that the Dragon attack on Helgen was orchestrated by the other side and it wasn't a coincidence that it showed up just as Ulfric was about to be executed. They're wrong about the former and only partially correct about the latter. The ''real'' reason [[spoiler: Alduin]] [[spoiler:Alduin]] showed up was because of ''the Dragonborn'', whose head was resting on the chopping block at the time.



** If you've ingratiated yourself with her before "Diplomatic Immunity", [[spoiler: she is willing to provide you a distraction in the Thalmor Embassy, no questions asked, simply because it'll liven up the party and she wants to have some fun]].

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** If you've ingratiated yourself with her before "Diplomatic Immunity", [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she is willing to provide you a distraction in the Thalmor Embassy, no questions asked, simply because it'll liven up the party and she wants to have some fun]].



* IOwnThisTown: The Black-Briars already control Riften; the Imperials just make it official, which she even lampshades by commenting she's always been the one in charge, the title of Jarl is merely a formality. But if you [[spoiler: complete both the Thieves' Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines, ''you'' effectively control much of what she needs to stay in power.]]

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* IOwnThisTown: The Black-Briars already control Riften; the Imperials just make it official, which she even lampshades by commenting she's always been the one in charge, the title of Jarl is merely a formality. But if you [[spoiler: complete [[spoiler:complete both the Thieves' Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines, ''you'' effectively control much of what she needs to stay in power.]]



* AuthorityInNameOnly: Despite being Jarl, the ''real'' power in Riften belongs to Maven [[spoiler: and potentially the Dragonborn]].

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* AuthorityInNameOnly: Despite being Jarl, the ''real'' power in Riften belongs to Maven [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and potentially the Dragonborn]].



* JerkassHasAPoint: If he's still Jarl during the College of Winterhold questline when [[spoiler: Ancano tries to harness the Eye of Magnus, causing magical disturbances to be felt throughout the city which could spread devastation across the entire world if not stopped]], he reasserts his belief that the College was somehow responsible for the earlier disaster. It's hard to blame him.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: If he's still Jarl during the College of Winterhold questline when [[spoiler: Ancano [[spoiler:Ancano tries to harness the Eye of Magnus, causing magical disturbances to be felt throughout the city which could spread devastation across the entire world if not stopped]], he reasserts his belief that the College was somehow responsible for the earlier disaster. It's hard to blame him.



* ProperlyParanoid: He's suspicious that people aren't allowed into the Hall of the Dead, speculating that the bodies of his ancestors are being defiled. He's [[spoiler: not wrong, as you discover if you persuade the priest of Arkay to tell you why the Hall of the Dead is closed; it turns out there's a cannibal in there having lunch. Whether Thongvor's relatives are among those that have recently been chewed on isn't stated, but it's certainly possible.]]

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* ProperlyParanoid: He's suspicious that people aren't allowed into the Hall of the Dead, speculating that the bodies of his ancestors are being defiled. He's [[spoiler: not [[spoiler:not wrong, as you discover if you persuade the priest of Arkay to tell you why the Hall of the Dead is closed; it turns out there's a cannibal in there having lunch. Whether Thongvor's relatives are among those that have recently been chewed on isn't stated, but it's certainly possible.]]



** When Elenwen, the head of the Thalmor in Skyrim and perhaps the most powerful person sitting at the [[spoiler: peace meeting]], decides to drone out a HannibalLecture, Ulfric tells her in no uncertain terms to shut up. And she ''does''.

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** When Elenwen, the head of the Thalmor in Skyrim and perhaps the most powerful person sitting at the [[spoiler: peace [[spoiler:peace meeting]], decides to drone out a HannibalLecture, Ulfric tells her in no uncertain terms to shut up. And she ''does''.



* HeroicBSOD: If the Civil War is ended in the Imperials' favor before [[spoiler: the final confrontation with Alduin, he can be seen in the throes of one while trapped in Alduin's Soul Snare in Sovngarde, watching as good men and women who fought on both sides of the war, the war that he started no less, are devoured to empower the World-Eater.]]

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* HeroicBSOD: If the Civil War is ended in the Imperials' favor before [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the final confrontation with Alduin, he can be seen in the throes of one while trapped in Alduin's Soul Snare in Sovngarde, watching as good men and women who fought on both sides of the war, the war that he started no less, are devoured to empower the World-Eater.]]



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: If killed before finishing the main quest, [[spoiler: Ulfric can be found wandering Alduin's mist in Sovngarde. If spoken to before killing Alduin, he laments that he wanted to free Skyrim but all his war did was kill good men on both sides - and now those men's souls are trapped in Alduin's mists, waiting to be devoured by the World Eater.]]

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: If killed before finishing the main quest, [[spoiler: Ulfric [[spoiler:Ulfric can be found wandering Alduin's mist in Sovngarde. If spoken to before killing Alduin, he laments that he wanted to free Skyrim but all his war did was kill good men on both sides - and now those men's souls are trapped in Alduin's mists, waiting to be devoured by the World Eater.]]



* WorthyOpponent: He considers an Imperial-aligned Dragonborn to be this. When you deliver Jarl Balgruuf's ultimatum to him, he commends you on your bravery and laments that you've chosen the wrong side. When you finally defeat him, [[spoiler: he requests you as his personal executioner instead of Tullius or Rikke, stating that "it'll make for a better song."]] If you [[spoiler: killed him before traveling to Sovngarde, you can encounter him in the mists; after defeating Alduin he will openly praise you as a hero.]]

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* WorthyOpponent: He considers an Imperial-aligned Dragonborn to be this. When you deliver Jarl Balgruuf's ultimatum to him, he commends you on your bravery and laments that you've chosen the wrong side. When you finally defeat him, [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he requests you as his personal executioner instead of Tullius or Rikke, stating that "it'll make for a better song."]] If you [[spoiler: killed [[spoiler:killed him before traveling to Sovngarde, you can encounter him in the mists; after defeating Alduin he will openly praise you as a hero.]]



* VestigialEmpire: Currently only controls Cyrodiil, Skyrim, High Rock, and parts of Morrowind. To make matters worse, much of Skyrim is rebelling against their rule. And since Skyrim bridges all of these regions together, if the Stormcloaks win the civil war, the Empire could be fatally fractured. But wait, it gets better; conversation between Ulfric and Galmar implies that High Rock is barely involved in Imperial affairs and is only tangentially allied with the Empire. They tried to use this fact in order to ally with High Rock themselves, but failed in doing so. On the other hand, if the Empire wins the civil war, the Blades are reformed, [[spoiler: the Dark Brotherhood is destroyed]], and one of its increasingly prominent citizens is of the [[DivineParentage Dragon Blood]] once again, the Empire might actually start to pull itself out of this rut, as this is the most stable it has been in ''centuries.''

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* VestigialEmpire: Currently only controls Cyrodiil, Skyrim, High Rock, and parts of Morrowind. To make matters worse, much of Skyrim is rebelling against their rule. And since Skyrim bridges all of these regions together, if the Stormcloaks win the civil war, the Empire could be fatally fractured. But wait, it gets better; conversation between Ulfric and Galmar implies that High Rock is barely involved in Imperial affairs and is only tangentially allied with the Empire. They tried to use this fact in order to ally with High Rock themselves, but failed in doing so. On the other hand, if the Empire wins the civil war, the Blades are reformed, [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Dark Brotherhood is destroyed]], and one of its increasingly prominent citizens is of the [[DivineParentage Dragon Blood]] once again, the Empire might actually start to pull itself out of this rut, as this is the most stable it has been in ''centuries.''



* YouKilledMyFather: The Dark Brotherhood sanctuary suffers fiery vengeance for [[spoiler: killing his son.]]

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* YouKilledMyFather: The Dark Brotherhood sanctuary suffers fiery vengeance for [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing his son.]]



--> [[spoiler: "I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?"]]

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--> [[spoiler: "I [[spoiler:"I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?"]]



* BatmanGambit: Pulled one off in Skyrim. Having intimate knowledge of Ulfric's psyche [[spoiler:due to his time as a POW]], they are able to goad him into committing seditious acts against the Empire ostensibly in grievance against them in their bid to weaken it. He may not be a ManchurianAgent, but he's still their UnwittingPawn. Elenwen's attendance in [[spoiler: the peace talks in the "Season Unending" talk can be seen as an attempt to sabotage the peace talks by antagonizing Ulfric]], since peace in Skyrim is bad for the Thalmor's plans. However, the gambit during the peace talks fails, as he eventually gets a lid on her antagonism. It fails overall when the Dragonborn acts as a SpannerInTheWorks, regardless of which side of the Civil War the Dragonborn carries to victory.

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* BatmanGambit: Pulled one off in Skyrim. Having intimate knowledge of Ulfric's psyche [[spoiler:due to his time as a POW]], they are able to goad him into committing seditious acts against the Empire ostensibly in grievance against them in their bid to weaken it. He may not be a ManchurianAgent, but he's still their UnwittingPawn. Elenwen's attendance in [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the peace talks in the "Season Unending" talk can be seen as an attempt to sabotage the peace talks by antagonizing Ulfric]], since peace in Skyrim is bad for the Thalmor's plans. However, the gambit during the peace talks fails, as he eventually gets a lid on her antagonism. It fails overall when the Dragonborn acts as a SpannerInTheWorks, regardless of which side of the Civil War the Dragonborn carries to victory.



** [[spoiler: UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: The prophecy of the Last Dragonborn explicitly states that when brother fights brother - in other words, civil war in Skyrim - it will be the final harbinger of Alduin's return. It's doubtful that the Thalmor are aware of the prophecy, as it's part of the Nords' history and not their own. Nevertheless, by bringing about the Civil War, the Aldmeri Dominion is directly responsible for the return of dragons to Tamriel.]]

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** [[spoiler: UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: The [[spoiler:The prophecy of the Last Dragonborn explicitly states that when brother fights brother - in other words, civil war in Skyrim - it will be the final harbinger of Alduin's return. It's doubtful that the Thalmor are aware of the prophecy, as it's part of the Nords' history and not their own. Nevertheless, by bringing about the Civil War, the Aldmeri Dominion is directly responsible for the return of dragons to Tamriel.]]



* RedHerring: [[spoiler: Delphine believes they are behind the dragon attacks. They're not - at least, not on purpose; see UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom, above.]]

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* RedHerring: [[spoiler: Delphine [[spoiler:Delphine believes they are behind the dragon attacks. They're not - at least, not on purpose; see UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom, above.]]



* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: It's heavily implied he is killed when/if the Stormcloaks take control of Markarth. He disappears, and a coffin containing items he carries can be found in the Hall of the Dead.]]
** Even if he isn't [[spoiler: killed by the Stormcloaks]], he can [[spoiler: easily be killed by ''you'' by simply walking up to him and [[MakeMeWannaShout Shouting]] him down the stairs. Killing him and his bodyguards will set all the guards into "Stop right there criminal scum!" mode, but you only have to pay a measly forty septims for assault, and can just have his corpse looted so you just make your money back. [[ExpansionPack Dawnguard]] offers new and [[AnimateDead corpse]][=/=][[YourSoulIsMine soul-defiling]] methods to kill him with the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], and Dragonborn grants you even crueller ways to kill him.]]

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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: It's [[spoiler:It's heavily implied he is killed when/if the Stormcloaks take control of Markarth. He disappears, and a coffin containing items he carries can be found in the Hall of the Dead.]]
** Even if he isn't [[spoiler: killed [[spoiler:killed by the Stormcloaks]], he can [[spoiler: easily [[spoiler:easily be killed by ''you'' by simply walking up to him and [[MakeMeWannaShout Shouting]] him down the stairs. Killing him and his bodyguards will set all the guards into "Stop right there criminal scum!" mode, but you only have to pay a measly forty septims for assault, and can just have his corpse looted so you just make your money back. [[ExpansionPack Dawnguard]] offers new and [[AnimateDead corpse]][=/=][[YourSoulIsMine soul-defiling]] methods to kill him with the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], and Dragonborn grants you even crueller ways to kill him.]]



* PunchClockVillain: Possibly. He doesn't have Ogmund arrested when you steal his amulet, he doesn't make any attempt to police the shrine to Talos in the middle of the city, and he doesn't really seem to do anything besides pace around and act smug. He'll even, with a little persuasion, [[spoiler: help you out at the Thalmor Embassy party]]. Either his hands are tied by Markarth's messy political situation, or he doesn't care enough to walk the Thalmor walk.

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* PunchClockVillain: Possibly. He doesn't have Ogmund arrested when you steal his amulet, he doesn't make any attempt to police the shrine to Talos in the middle of the city, and he doesn't really seem to do anything besides pace around and act smug. He'll even, with a little persuasion, [[spoiler: help [[spoiler:help you out at the Thalmor Embassy party]]. Either his hands are tied by Markarth's messy political situation, or he doesn't care enough to walk the Thalmor walk.



* UnderestimatingBadassery: He woefully underestimates the Dragonborn, despite them making their way through Labyrinthian, [[spoiler: defeating the Dragon Priest Morokei,]] and mopping the floor with the Thalmor assassin sent to eliminate them.

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* UnderestimatingBadassery: He woefully underestimates the Dragonborn, despite them making their way through Labyrinthian, [[spoiler: defeating [[spoiler:defeating the Dragon Priest Morokei,]] and mopping the floor with the Thalmor assassin sent to eliminate them.



* MauveShirt: Only appears in one quest, [[spoiler: and you need to kill him to complete the quest.]]

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* MauveShirt: Only appears in one quest, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and you need to kill him to complete the quest.]]



* TooDumbToLive: He attacks someone who is able to defeat [[spoiler: a dragon priest]].

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* TooDumbToLive: He attacks someone who is able to defeat [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a dragon priest]].
1st Dec '16 12:01:29 PM tigereye888
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* PetTheDog: Despite being a {{Jerkass}}, his friendship is surprisingly easy to obtain and he can be talked into helping the Dragonborn during "Diplomatic Immunity".
1st Dec '16 10:36:57 AM DrakeClawfang
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: The first few hours of the game are not kind to the Empire's views and paint them in a horrible light, and is generally the main cause for players siding with the Stormcloaks:
** To start off, the game begins with them planning to outright execute Ulfric Stormcloak, a group of his soldiers, a horse-thief and a random traveler (the player) who just happened to be crossing the boarder at the time the others were being captured. No trial is given to any of them, most notably the traveler, who no one is even sure what or if they even committed a crime or were even charged with besides a case of "wrong place, wrong time". Despite this fact, the Imperial officers just shrug and order them to the executioner's block anyways. Said traveler is then latter revealed to be a Dragonborn, who may or may not be just a little bit ''pissed off'' about the whole ordeal and may have learned more than a few RealityWarper powers after their escape from Helgen.
** It's very easy early in the game to hear NPCs talk about what essentially boils down to one of the worst cease-fire agreements ever written. Hammerfell had large portions ransomed off to the Dominion and when the residents took issue with that, the Imperials quickly booted them out of the Empire at the behest of the Thalmor. That just ended up inflaming the anger of the Redguards and other residents of Hammerfell even more, and they managed to successfully repel a second invasion from the Dominion.[[note]]Tellingly, this is one of the dialogue options a Redguard Dragonborn can use when talking to Galmar Stone-Fist as their reason for why they as a non-Nord would want to fight for the Stormcloaks, hinting that they feel a kindred spirit of having been abandoned and discarded by the Imperials of Cyrodil to save their own skin, much as the Stormcloak Nords do.[[/note]] Add in banning of the worship of a major Nordic deity and historical hero, letting the Thalmor do every single evil deed they do against the residents Skyrim with the only defense being "our hands are tied right now by the treaty", and general disdain to the point of snobish arrogance Imperials seem to have against the Nords and Skyrim for even daring to question the Empire's decisions, it's of little wonder why the rebellion happened in the first place.
1st Dec '16 4:54:20 AM SwordsageRagnar
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** To start off, the game begins with them planning to outright execute Ulfric Stormcloak, a group of his soldiers, a horse-thief and a random traveler (the player) who just happened to be crossing the boarder at the time the others were being captured. No trial is given to any of them, most notably the traveler, who no one is even sure what or if they even committed a crime or were even charged with besides a case of "wrong place, wrong time". Despite this fact, the Imperial officers just shrug and order them to the executioner's block anyways. Said traveler is then soon revealed to be a Dragonborn, who may or may not be just a little bit ''pissed off'' about the whole ordeal and may have learned more than a few RealityWarper powers after their escape from Helgen.
** It's very easy early in the game to hear NPCs talk about what essentially boils down to one of the worst cease-fire agreements ever written. Hammerfell had large portions ransomed off to the Dominion and when the residents took issue with that, the Imperials quickly booted them out of the Empire at the behest of the Thalmor, which just ended up pissing off the Redguards and other residents of Hammerfell even more, while they managed to successfully repel a second invasion from the Dominion.[[note]]Tellingly, this is one of the dialogue options a Redguard Dragonborn can use when talking to Galmar Stone-Fist as their reason for why they as a non-Nord would want to fight for the Stormcloaks, hinting that they feel a kindred spirit of having been abandoned and discarded by the Imperials of Cyrodil to save their own skin, much as the Stormcloak Nords do.[[/note]] The banning of the worship of a major Nordic deity and historical hero, not to mention letting the Thalmor do every single evil deed they do against the residents Skyrim with the only defense being "our hands are tied right now by the treaty", it's of little wonder why the rebellion happened in the first place.

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** To start off, the game begins with them planning to outright execute Ulfric Stormcloak, a group of his soldiers, a horse-thief and a random traveler (the player) who just happened to be crossing the boarder at the time the others were being captured. No trial is given to any of them, most notably the traveler, who no one is even sure what or if they even committed a crime or were even charged with besides a case of "wrong place, wrong time". Despite this fact, the Imperial officers just shrug and order them to the executioner's block anyways. Said traveler is then soon latter revealed to be a Dragonborn, who may or may not be just a little bit ''pissed off'' about the whole ordeal and may have learned more than a few RealityWarper powers after their escape from Helgen.
** It's very easy early in the game to hear NPCs talk about what essentially boils down to one of the worst cease-fire agreements ever written. Hammerfell had large portions ransomed off to the Dominion and when the residents took issue with that, the Imperials quickly booted them out of the Empire at the behest of the Thalmor, which Thalmor. That just ended up pissing off inflaming the anger of the Redguards and other residents of Hammerfell even more, while and they managed to successfully repel a second invasion from the Dominion.[[note]]Tellingly, this is one of the dialogue options a Redguard Dragonborn can use when talking to Galmar Stone-Fist as their reason for why they as a non-Nord would want to fight for the Stormcloaks, hinting that they feel a kindred spirit of having been abandoned and discarded by the Imperials of Cyrodil to save their own skin, much as the Stormcloak Nords do.[[/note]] The Add in banning of the worship of a major Nordic deity and historical hero, not to mention letting the Thalmor do every single evil deed they do against the residents Skyrim with the only defense being "our hands are tied right now by the treaty", and general disdain to the point of snobish arrogance Imperials seem to have against the Nords and Skyrim for even daring to question the Empire's decisions, it's of little wonder why the rebellion happened in the first place.
30th Nov '16 7:35:35 PM SwordsageRagnar
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: The first few hours of the game are not kind to the Empire's views and paint them in a horrible light, and is generally the main cause for players siding with the Stormcloaks:
** To start off, the game begins with them planning to outright execute Ulfric Stormcloak, a group of his soldiers, a horse-thief and a random traveler (the player) who just happened to be crossing the boarder at the time the others were being captured. No trial is given to any of them, most notably the traveler, who no one is even sure what or if they even committed a crime or were even charged with besides a case of "wrong place, wrong time". Despite this fact, the Imperial officers just shrug and order them to the executioner's block anyways. Said traveler is then soon revealed to be a Dragonborn, who may or may not be just a little bit ''pissed off'' about the whole ordeal and may have learned more than a few RealityWarper powers after their escape from Helgen.
** It's very easy early in the game to hear NPCs talk about what essentially boils down to one of the worst cease-fire agreements ever written. Hammerfell had large portions ransomed off to the Dominion and when the residents took issue with that, the Imperials quickly booted them out of the Empire at the behest of the Thalmor, which just ended up pissing off the Redguards and other residents of Hammerfell even more, while they managed to successfully repel a second invasion from the Dominion.[[note]]Tellingly, this is one of the dialogue options a Redguard Dragonborn can use when talking to Galmar Stone-Fist as their reason for why they as a non-Nord would want to fight for the Stormcloaks, hinting that they feel a kindred spirit of having been abandoned and discarded by the Imperials of Cyrodil to save their own skin, much as the Stormcloak Nords do.[[/note]] The banning of the worship of a major Nordic deity and historical hero, not to mention letting the Thalmor do every single evil deed they do against the residents Skyrim with the only defense being "our hands are tied right now by the treaty", it's of little wonder why the rebellion happened in the first place.
21st Nov '16 8:48:16 PM tdwally
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* NotSoDifferent: A people viewed by their enemies as barbarians rebelling against being ruled from afar and trying to retake their land and independence in order to reassert their traditions, including religious worship that is now banned? Are we talking about the Stormcloaks or the Forsworn?



* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: In-universe, a lot of different people have a lot of polarizing things to say about Ulfric and his true motivations in killing Torygg and rebelling against the Empire. Is he a heroic freedom fighter, a cowardly usurper, a well-meaning but misguided rebel? Depends who you ask.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: In-universe, a lot of different people have a lot of polarizing things to say about Ulfric and his true motivations in killing Torygg and rebelling against the Empire. Is he a heroic freedom fighter, a cowardly usurper, a well-meaning but misguided rebel? Depends who you ask. The few hints dropped that Ulfric is well aware of the importance of his image only raise more questions. Does he present himself as a humble but confident leader because it endears him to the masses, or because he privately doubts his worthiness but knows his men need to believe in him if they are to win?



* DirtyCoward: Some Imperial aligned characters call him this, citing things like his use of the Thu'um against Torygg when he was ten times the warrior the Boy King was and everyone knew it. Interestingly, when killed in the Imperial ending of the Civil War he's armed with an axe with a fear enchant on it and the two Shouts he knows are Unrelenting Force and Disarm, all things that would stop an enemy from fighting him effectively.



* ItsAllAboutMe: A few characters, such as Jarl Laila's son Saerlund, believe that Ulfric's real goal is to become king of Skyrim. At the end of the Imperial-sided Civil War, he decides that he'd rather be killed by a mythical hero like the Dragonborn, rather than some Imperial like Tullius. Should you carry the day with the Stormcloaks, Galmar himself expresses exasperation with Ulfric over drawing out Tullius' impending death, saying that if he wants the end to a saga he should get the Dragonborn to kill him. In the end, whichever of these various points are true is up to the player to decide.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: His rebellion is partly based on the importance of Skyrim's traditions being followed, which under the Empire they are not. However, in his discussion with Galmar about the Jagged Crown, his reaction to being told the Moot might name Elisif to the throne of High King anyway is an emphatic "Damn the Moot."
* ItsAllAboutMe: A few characters, such as Jarl Laila's son Saerlund, believe that Ulfric's real goal is to become king of Skyrim. He responds to Galmar suggesting the Jarls might elect Elisif at the Moot with "Damn the Jarls... And damn the Moot!" The oath would be Stormcloaks have to take has them swear their loyalty to him as "the true High King." At the end of the Imperial-sided Civil War, he decides that he'd rather be killed by a mythical hero like the Dragonborn, rather than some Imperial like Tullius. Should you carry the day with the Stormcloaks, Galmar himself expresses exasperation with Ulfric over drawing out Tullius' impending death, saying that if he wants the end to a saga he should get the Dragonborn to kill him. In the end, whichever of these various points are true is up to the player to decide.


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* ManipulativeBastard: He can be quite cunning when he wants to be. How much so depends on how much credit you're willing to give him, with Imperial aligned characters frequently considering his rhetoric about fighting for Skyrim's traditions and apparent humility to be fronts he uses to gain support. Even without this interpretation, there are moments like his challenge to Torygg. Ulfric and his followers claim the duel wasn't a murder since both men agreed to fight, while members of Torygg's court note that if Torygg had actually refused Ulfric could have used that as proof he was unfit to be High King and called a Moot to depose him. In his speech to his troops after winning the Civil War he refuses to take the position of High King until elected by the Moot. A minute later in private, Galmar praises that "nice touch" and Ulfric confirms he knows his election is guaranteed.


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* FailureIsTheOnlyOption: Ulfric's public challenge for the duel trapped Torygg. Accept, and get easily beaten by a man ten times the warrior he was. Refuse, and be shamed throughout Skyrim and give Ulfric grounds to call a new Moot that very well might have named him High King.
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