History Characters / SkyrimCivilWar

17th Mar '17 12:47:51 PM Kafkesque
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: If you follow Hadvar, then she isn't seen again for the rest of the game.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: If you follow Hadvar, then she isn't seen again for the rest of the game. \n Tullius comments that "not many people made it out of Helgen," implying that she may have died regardless.
6th Mar '17 10:48:47 AM SorPepita
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** It turns out that there are DummiedOut civil war scenes concerning the ousting of a besieged Jarl by you, your chosen side's NumberTwo, and the replacement Jarl. In the case of Markarth, a portion after the ousting of Igmund, we get to see Galmar give Ondolemar a "Not so fast" call-out, and then axe Ondolemar dead after forcing him to his knees and enduring one last act of verbal defiance.

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** It turns out that there are DummiedOut civil war scenes concerning the ousting of a besieged Jarl by you, your chosen side's NumberTwo, and the replacement Jarl. In the case of Markarth, a portion after the ousting of Igmund, we get to see Galmar give Ondolemar a "Not "not so fast" call-out, and then axe Ondolemar dead after forcing him to his knees and enduring one last act of verbal defiance.



* ButtMonkey: He's a Thalmor, and exceptionally assholish one at that. He's also not wearing any armor, not flagged as essential, guarded by only two soldiers who go down quite easily, and his quest doesn't offer much of a reward, so if you've got a [[MakeMeWannaShout clear throat]] and a spare forty septims...

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* ButtMonkey: He's a Thalmor, and an exceptionally assholish one at that. He's also not wearing any armor, not flagged as essential, guarded by only two soldiers who go down quite easily, and his quest doesn't offer much of a reward, so if you've got a [[MakeMeWannaShout clear throat]] and a spare forty septims...



* ObviouslyEvil: Even in-game, ''nobody'' trusts him. Even the two Altmer ladies on campus don't much like him hanging around to "observe" (though one of them does think he's rather attractive).

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* ObviouslyEvil: Even in-game, ''nobody'' trusts him. Even the two Altmer ladies on campus don't like much like him hanging around to "observe" (though one of them does think he's rather attractive).



* ColdBloodedTorture: His role in the Embassy now, and he even asks for Elenwen's help on the matter at times. In the specific instance we see, it's happening to Etienne Rarnis of the Thieves' Guild, as they're searching for [[spoiler:Esbern]] and think he knows where he is.

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* ColdBloodedTorture: His role in the Embassy embassy now, and he even asks for Elenwen's help on the matter at times. In the specific instance we see, it's happening to Etienne Rarnis of the Thieves' Guild, as they're searching for [[spoiler:Esbern]] and think he knows where he is.



* InTheHood: As with all Justiciars.

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* InTheHood: As with all Justiciars.Justicars.
3rd Mar '17 6:37:33 AM SorPepita
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* AntiHero: To the Empire side, he generally fulfills the role of BigGood for you, but he's rather.... [[GrumpyOldMan gruff]]

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* AntiHero: To the Empire side, he generally fulfills the role of BigGood for you, but he's rather....rather... [[GrumpyOldMan gruff]]
2nd Mar '17 8:19:30 AM SorPepita
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** A special mention to "Leonora Venatus," author of the in-game book ''The Talos Mistake.'' The book is actually a very convincing argument that to worship Tiber Septim as Talos detracts from the great deeds he did as a mortal; and even if false, it makes sense for humans to revere such a hero as a god, for he ''was'' a hero - and if he could become a divine, it gives other men a goal to which they can aspire and seek to better themselves to achieve.
* BadassLongcoat: A lot of their own Justiciars wear these, with a hood.

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** A special mention to "Leonora Venatus," Venatus", author of the in-game book ''The Talos Mistake.'' The book is actually a very convincing argument that to worship Tiber Septim as Talos detracts from the great deeds he did as a mortal; and even if false, it makes sense for humans to revere such a hero as a god, for he ''was'' a hero - and if he could become a divine, Divine, it gives other men a goal to which they can aspire and seek to better themselves to achieve.
* BadassLongcoat: A lot of their own Justiciars Justicars wear these, with a hood.



* ChurchMilitant: The have some characteristics of an evil version of this trope, as they torture and murder in the name of stamping out "heresy." Ondolemar outright says that the Great War (and the Justicars' presence in Skyrim) is a "religious matter."

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* ChurchMilitant: The They have some characteristics of an evil version of this trope, as they torture and murder in the name of stamping out "heresy." Ondolemar outright says that the Great War (and the Justicars' presence in Skyrim) is a "religious matter."



** And vividly demonstrated on at least one occasion - during "Diplomatic Immunity," you [[spoiler:sneak into the Thalmor Embassy's dungeon, which gives you a front-row seat for the "[[DeadlyEuphemism Intermediate Manual Uncoiling]]" of their current prisoner.]]

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** And vividly demonstrated on at least one occasion - during "Diplomatic Immunity," Immunity" you [[spoiler:sneak into the Thalmor Embassy's dungeon, which gives you a front-row seat for the "[[DeadlyEuphemism Intermediate Manual Uncoiling]]" of their current prisoner.]]



* ThePurge: At least one survivor of a Valenwood purge agrees to help the Dragonborn break into the embassy because the Thalmor murdered his family. They even inflict it upon their own kinsmen who oppose them: Chat with Legate [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch Fasendil]], an Aldmeri Legion officer operating in the Rift, and he'll regale you his own experience of the Night of Green Fire, an event in the mid first century of the 4th Era, where Aldmeri dissidents from the Summerset Isles were slaughtered wholesale by the Thalmor in their refugee camps in Sentinel (a city in Hammerfell).

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* ThePurge: At least one survivor of a Valenwood purge agrees to help the Dragonborn break into the embassy because the Thalmor murdered his family. They even inflict it upon their own kinsmen who oppose them: Chat chat with Legate [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch Fasendil]], an Aldmeri Legion officer operating in the Rift, and he'll regale you his own experience of the Night of Green Fire, an event in the mid first century of the 4th Era, where Aldmeri dissidents from the Summerset Isles were slaughtered wholesale by the Thalmor in their refugee camps in Sentinel (a city in Hammerfell).
2nd Mar '17 7:55:36 AM SorPepita
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* StateSec: Though after the Great War, the Thalmor are struggling to rebuild their military, with much of their invasion force utterly wiped out in the Battle of the Red Ring and subsequent heavy losses in Hammerfell. They don't have the numbers for overt action....yet.

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* StateSec: Though after the Great War, the Thalmor are struggling to rebuild their military, with much of their invasion force utterly wiped out in the Battle of the Red Ring and subsequent heavy losses in Hammerfell. They don't have the numbers for overt action....action... yet.



%%* BaldOfEvil
* ButtMonkey: He's a Thalmor, and exceptionally assholish one at that. He's also not wearing any armor, not flagged as essential, guarded by only two soldiers who go down quite easily, and his quest doesn't offer much of a reward, so if you've got a [[MakeMeWannaShout clear throat]] and a spare forty septims....

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%%* BaldOfEvil
* BaldOfEvil: A bald bastard.
* ButtMonkey: He's a Thalmor, and exceptionally assholish one at that. He's also not wearing any armor, not flagged as essential, guarded by only two soldiers who go down quite easily, and his quest doesn't offer much of a reward, so if you've got a [[MakeMeWannaShout clear throat]] and a spare forty septims....septims...



9th Jan '17 7:06:00 PM DustSnitch
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* {{Badass}}: Say what you will about him, but when you set out to capture [[spoiler:Odahviing]], he'll happily raise an axe alongside his housecarl and guards and try to help you take the dragon down. Similarly, he'll personally fight to defend himself against Stormcloaks during the siege of Whiterun. He tells his Housecarl Irileth (essentially his most loyal bodyguard) that he will not let his city fall without raising a sword in its defense.
** Similarly, he's more then willing to challenge Jarl Ulfric - the man who murdered the High King with the very same power wielded by the dragonborn - to one-on-one combat, and seems grimly satisfied with his chances.



* {{Badass}}: You have to admit, it does take balls for a frail old man to charge into a massive siege and fight the good fight.



* {{Badass}}: It takes a lot of willpower to continue ruling a meager excuse of a land in the absolute freezing north of the most inhospitable land in Tamriel beset on all sides by the most fearsome of animals and men. Being willing to punch dragons to death also makes him cool.



* {{Badass}}: He used to be a member of the Companions. He's still got it.
** BadassGrandpa: Looks to be in his late sixties. For 30 years he was a commander in the Imperial Legions, and that was apparently ''after'' he had already made a name for himself as one of the most badass Companions ever, so yeah.
** BadassMustache: The mustache is a first-hand indicator of badassery.

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* {{Badass}}: He used to be a member of the Companions. He's still got it.
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BadassGrandpa: Looks to be in his late sixties. For 30 years he was a commander in the Imperial Legions, and that was apparently ''after'' he had already made a name for himself as one of the most badass Companions ever, so yeah.
** * BadassMustache: The mustache is a first-hand indicator of badassery.



* {{Badass}}: The Orc blacksmith at Understone Keep served alongside Thongvor in the Legion, and he mentions him as being a good man and a tough soldier.
** BadassBeard: Nord.
** RetiredBadass: Used to be a Legionnaire.

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* {{Badass}}: The Orc blacksmith at Understone Keep served alongside Thongvor in the Legion, and he mentions him as being a good man and a tough soldier.
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BadassBeard: Nord.
** RetiredBadass: Used to be a Legionnaire.
Nord.



* RetiredBadass: Used to be a Legionnaire.



* {{Badass}}: Out of all the Jarls of Skyrim and everyone associated with the Civil War, Ulfric us undeniably the most badass.
** BadassBaritone: By the King of Badass Vikings himself - Vladimir Kulich.
** BadassBeard: Because Nord.
** BadassInCharge: Of Eastmarch, the Stormcloak rebellion and half of Skyrim. Potentially the whole of Skyrim, if you join him.
** BadassFamily: [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/arms-and-armor-nordic-champion-skegglund-stormcloak This is Skegglund Stormcloak. He is one of Ulfric's ancestors]]. Also, as a Jarl of Skyrim, he possibly has a line of descent going straight to Shor-damned Ysgramor himself.
** BadassLongcoat: As mentioned above, it's made of chainmail and plate. However, it has an abysmal armour rating so it's basically worthless as protection.

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* {{Badass}}: Out of all BadassBaritone: By the Jarls King of Skyrim and everyone associated with the Civil War, Ulfric us undeniably the most badass.Badass Vikings himself - Vladimir Kulich.
** BadassBaritone: By the King of Badass Vikings himself - Vladimir Kulich.* BadassBeard: Because Nord.
** BadassBeard: Because Nord.
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* BadassInCharge: Of Eastmarch, the Stormcloak rebellion and half of Skyrim. Potentially the whole of Skyrim, if you join him.
** * BadassFamily: [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/arms-and-armor-nordic-champion-skegglund-stormcloak This is Skegglund Stormcloak. He is one of Ulfric's ancestors]]. Also, as a Jarl of Skyrim, he possibly has a line of descent going straight to Shor-damned Ysgramor himself.
** * BadassLongcoat: As mentioned above, it's made of chainmail and plate. However, it has an abysmal armour rating so it's basically worthless as protection.



* {{Badass}}: Putting it mildly.



* {{Badass}}: In-universe, surviving Helgen qualifies anyone for this label. Additionally, he's one of the few rank and file soldiers who will under all circumstances keep up with both you and Galmar in combat, and is one of the few who's with you two when you fight through into Dragonsreach. He also helps you take down Balgruuf.



* {{Badass}}



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* {{Badass}}: In-universe, surviving Helgen qualifies you.



* {{Badass}}: Say what you will about Titus Mede's policies, but anyone who can fight off the Thalmor is Badass indeed. After an initial rampage, he reunited the remaining Empire forces and gave the Thalmor a CurbStompBattle that forced them into the stalemate they exist in now. He apparently did this all while fighting on the front lines, then hanged Lord Naarfin, the enemy general, in a crow cage outside White Gold Tower for thirty-three days. When he shows up in the actual game, [[spoiler:he calmly accepts his death and tells you to get it over with]].
** BadassBeard: A very impressive beard, and he's quite the badass.
** BadassGrandpa: By now, he looks like he's in his sixties.
** BadassInCharge: Of the Empire as a whole; he even led the forces on the front lines.
** BadassLongrobe: A unique set called "Emperor's Robes". They look cool and add to his badass image.

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* {{Badass}}: Say what you will about Titus Mede's policies, but anyone who can fight off the Thalmor is Badass indeed. After an initial rampage, he reunited the remaining Empire forces and gave the Thalmor a CurbStompBattle that forced them into the stalemate they exist in now. He apparently did this all while fighting on the front lines, then hanged Lord Naarfin, the enemy general, in a crow cage outside White Gold Tower for thirty-three days. When he shows up in the actual game, [[spoiler:he calmly accepts his death and tells you to get it over with]].
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BadassBeard: A very impressive beard, and he's quite the badass.
** * BadassGrandpa: By now, he looks like he's in his sixties.
** * BadassInCharge: Of the Empire as a whole; he even led the forces on the front lines.
** * BadassLongrobe: A unique set called "Emperor's Robes". They look cool and add to his badass image.



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* {{Badass}}: He's surprisingly competent compared to the rest of his colleagues.
11th Dec '16 2:27:33 PM OG-Sama
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** Similarly, he's more then willing to challenge Jarl Ulfric - the man who murdered the High King with the very same power wielded by the dragonborn - to one-on-one combat, and seems grimly satisfied with his chances.
10th Dec '16 7:08:29 PM Toadofsteel
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** Ironically, however, her response actually ''matches'' the seriousness of the situation at Wolfskull Cave, where necromancers are attempting to resurrect [[TheCaligula Potema]]. Falk is prepared to let the matter pass until one person volunteers to go check it out. He's ''very'' lucky that one person was [[OneManArmy the Dragonborn]], or else the necromancers might have succeeded.

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** Ironically, however, her response actually ''matches'' the seriousness of the situation at Wolfskull Cave, where necromancers are attempting to resurrect [[TheCaligula Potema]]. Falk is prepared to let the matter pass until one person volunteers to go check it out. He's ''very'' lucky that one person was [[OneManArmy the Dragonborn]], or else the necromancers might have succeeded. Notably, when further complications arise due to the summoning, Falk ''instantly'' sends for the player again.
2nd Dec '16 7:33:05 AM Gregzilla
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* AxeCrazy: Exhibits slight shades of this in combat. Fairly standard for Nords.

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* AxeCrazy: AxCrazy: Exhibits slight shades of this in combat. Fairly standard for Nords.



* AxeCrazy: He enjoys his position as a torturer. Think about that.

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* AxeCrazy: AxCrazy: He enjoys his position as a torturer. Think about that.
1st Dec '16 11:00:58 PM Gregzilla
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* RightForTheWrongReasons: Both sides suspect that the Dragon attack on Helgen was orchestrated by the other side and it wasn't a coincidence that it showed up just as Ulfric was about to be executed. They're wrong about the former and only partially correct about the latter. The ''real'' reason [[spoiler: Alduin]] showed up was because of ''the Dragonborn'', whose head was resting on the chopping block at the time.

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* RightForTheWrongReasons: Both sides suspect that the Dragon attack on Helgen was orchestrated by the other side and it wasn't a coincidence that it showed up just as Ulfric was about to be executed. They're wrong about the former and only partially correct about the latter. The ''real'' reason [[spoiler: Alduin]] [[spoiler:Alduin]] showed up was because of ''the Dragonborn'', whose head was resting on the chopping block at the time.



** If you've ingratiated yourself with her before "Diplomatic Immunity", [[spoiler: she is willing to provide you a distraction in the Thalmor Embassy, no questions asked, simply because it'll liven up the party and she wants to have some fun]].

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** If you've ingratiated yourself with her before "Diplomatic Immunity", [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she is willing to provide you a distraction in the Thalmor Embassy, no questions asked, simply because it'll liven up the party and she wants to have some fun]].



* IOwnThisTown: The Black-Briars already control Riften; the Imperials just make it official, which she even lampshades by commenting she's always been the one in charge, the title of Jarl is merely a formality. But if you [[spoiler: complete both the Thieves' Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines, ''you'' effectively control much of what she needs to stay in power.]]

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* IOwnThisTown: The Black-Briars already control Riften; the Imperials just make it official, which she even lampshades by commenting she's always been the one in charge, the title of Jarl is merely a formality. But if you [[spoiler: complete [[spoiler:complete both the Thieves' Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines, ''you'' effectively control much of what she needs to stay in power.]]



* AuthorityInNameOnly: Despite being Jarl, the ''real'' power in Riften belongs to Maven [[spoiler: and potentially the Dragonborn]].

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* AuthorityInNameOnly: Despite being Jarl, the ''real'' power in Riften belongs to Maven [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and potentially the Dragonborn]].



* JerkassHasAPoint: If he's still Jarl during the College of Winterhold questline when [[spoiler: Ancano tries to harness the Eye of Magnus, causing magical disturbances to be felt throughout the city which could spread devastation across the entire world if not stopped]], he reasserts his belief that the College was somehow responsible for the earlier disaster. It's hard to blame him.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: If he's still Jarl during the College of Winterhold questline when [[spoiler: Ancano [[spoiler:Ancano tries to harness the Eye of Magnus, causing magical disturbances to be felt throughout the city which could spread devastation across the entire world if not stopped]], he reasserts his belief that the College was somehow responsible for the earlier disaster. It's hard to blame him.



* ProperlyParanoid: He's suspicious that people aren't allowed into the Hall of the Dead, speculating that the bodies of his ancestors are being defiled. He's [[spoiler: not wrong, as you discover if you persuade the priest of Arkay to tell you why the Hall of the Dead is closed; it turns out there's a cannibal in there having lunch. Whether Thongvor's relatives are among those that have recently been chewed on isn't stated, but it's certainly possible.]]

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* ProperlyParanoid: He's suspicious that people aren't allowed into the Hall of the Dead, speculating that the bodies of his ancestors are being defiled. He's [[spoiler: not [[spoiler:not wrong, as you discover if you persuade the priest of Arkay to tell you why the Hall of the Dead is closed; it turns out there's a cannibal in there having lunch. Whether Thongvor's relatives are among those that have recently been chewed on isn't stated, but it's certainly possible.]]



** When Elenwen, the head of the Thalmor in Skyrim and perhaps the most powerful person sitting at the [[spoiler: peace meeting]], decides to drone out a HannibalLecture, Ulfric tells her in no uncertain terms to shut up. And she ''does''.

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** When Elenwen, the head of the Thalmor in Skyrim and perhaps the most powerful person sitting at the [[spoiler: peace [[spoiler:peace meeting]], decides to drone out a HannibalLecture, Ulfric tells her in no uncertain terms to shut up. And she ''does''.



* HeroicBSOD: If the Civil War is ended in the Imperials' favor before [[spoiler: the final confrontation with Alduin, he can be seen in the throes of one while trapped in Alduin's Soul Snare in Sovngarde, watching as good men and women who fought on both sides of the war, the war that he started no less, are devoured to empower the World-Eater.]]

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* HeroicBSOD: If the Civil War is ended in the Imperials' favor before [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the final confrontation with Alduin, he can be seen in the throes of one while trapped in Alduin's Soul Snare in Sovngarde, watching as good men and women who fought on both sides of the war, the war that he started no less, are devoured to empower the World-Eater.]]



* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: If killed before finishing the main quest, [[spoiler: Ulfric can be found wandering Alduin's mist in Sovngarde. If spoken to before killing Alduin, he laments that he wanted to free Skyrim but all his war did was kill good men on both sides - and now those men's souls are trapped in Alduin's mists, waiting to be devoured by the World Eater.]]

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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: If killed before finishing the main quest, [[spoiler: Ulfric [[spoiler:Ulfric can be found wandering Alduin's mist in Sovngarde. If spoken to before killing Alduin, he laments that he wanted to free Skyrim but all his war did was kill good men on both sides - and now those men's souls are trapped in Alduin's mists, waiting to be devoured by the World Eater.]]



* WorthyOpponent: He considers an Imperial-aligned Dragonborn to be this. When you deliver Jarl Balgruuf's ultimatum to him, he commends you on your bravery and laments that you've chosen the wrong side. When you finally defeat him, [[spoiler: he requests you as his personal executioner instead of Tullius or Rikke, stating that "it'll make for a better song."]] If you [[spoiler: killed him before traveling to Sovngarde, you can encounter him in the mists; after defeating Alduin he will openly praise you as a hero.]]

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* WorthyOpponent: He considers an Imperial-aligned Dragonborn to be this. When you deliver Jarl Balgruuf's ultimatum to him, he commends you on your bravery and laments that you've chosen the wrong side. When you finally defeat him, [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he requests you as his personal executioner instead of Tullius or Rikke, stating that "it'll make for a better song."]] If you [[spoiler: killed [[spoiler:killed him before traveling to Sovngarde, you can encounter him in the mists; after defeating Alduin he will openly praise you as a hero.]]



* VestigialEmpire: Currently only controls Cyrodiil, Skyrim, High Rock, and parts of Morrowind. To make matters worse, much of Skyrim is rebelling against their rule. And since Skyrim bridges all of these regions together, if the Stormcloaks win the civil war, the Empire could be fatally fractured. But wait, it gets better; conversation between Ulfric and Galmar implies that High Rock is barely involved in Imperial affairs and is only tangentially allied with the Empire. They tried to use this fact in order to ally with High Rock themselves, but failed in doing so. On the other hand, if the Empire wins the civil war, the Blades are reformed, [[spoiler: the Dark Brotherhood is destroyed]], and one of its increasingly prominent citizens is of the [[DivineParentage Dragon Blood]] once again, the Empire might actually start to pull itself out of this rut, as this is the most stable it has been in ''centuries.''

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* VestigialEmpire: Currently only controls Cyrodiil, Skyrim, High Rock, and parts of Morrowind. To make matters worse, much of Skyrim is rebelling against their rule. And since Skyrim bridges all of these regions together, if the Stormcloaks win the civil war, the Empire could be fatally fractured. But wait, it gets better; conversation between Ulfric and Galmar implies that High Rock is barely involved in Imperial affairs and is only tangentially allied with the Empire. They tried to use this fact in order to ally with High Rock themselves, but failed in doing so. On the other hand, if the Empire wins the civil war, the Blades are reformed, [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Dark Brotherhood is destroyed]], and one of its increasingly prominent citizens is of the [[DivineParentage Dragon Blood]] once again, the Empire might actually start to pull itself out of this rut, as this is the most stable it has been in ''centuries.''



* YouKilledMyFather: The Dark Brotherhood sanctuary suffers fiery vengeance for [[spoiler: killing his son.]]

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* YouKilledMyFather: The Dark Brotherhood sanctuary suffers fiery vengeance for [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing his son.]]



--> [[spoiler: "I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?"]]

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--> [[spoiler: "I [[spoiler:"I faced him fearlessly - my fate inescapable, yet my honor is unstained - can Ulfric say the same?"]]



* BatmanGambit: Pulled one off in Skyrim. Having intimate knowledge of Ulfric's psyche [[spoiler:due to his time as a POW]], they are able to goad him into committing seditious acts against the Empire ostensibly in grievance against them in their bid to weaken it. He may not be a ManchurianAgent, but he's still their UnwittingPawn. Elenwen's attendance in [[spoiler: the peace talks in the "Season Unending" talk can be seen as an attempt to sabotage the peace talks by antagonizing Ulfric]], since peace in Skyrim is bad for the Thalmor's plans. However, the gambit during the peace talks fails, as he eventually gets a lid on her antagonism. It fails overall when the Dragonborn acts as a SpannerInTheWorks, regardless of which side of the Civil War the Dragonborn carries to victory.

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* BatmanGambit: Pulled one off in Skyrim. Having intimate knowledge of Ulfric's psyche [[spoiler:due to his time as a POW]], they are able to goad him into committing seditious acts against the Empire ostensibly in grievance against them in their bid to weaken it. He may not be a ManchurianAgent, but he's still their UnwittingPawn. Elenwen's attendance in [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the peace talks in the "Season Unending" talk can be seen as an attempt to sabotage the peace talks by antagonizing Ulfric]], since peace in Skyrim is bad for the Thalmor's plans. However, the gambit during the peace talks fails, as he eventually gets a lid on her antagonism. It fails overall when the Dragonborn acts as a SpannerInTheWorks, regardless of which side of the Civil War the Dragonborn carries to victory.



** [[spoiler: UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: The prophecy of the Last Dragonborn explicitly states that when brother fights brother - in other words, civil war in Skyrim - it will be the final harbinger of Alduin's return. It's doubtful that the Thalmor are aware of the prophecy, as it's part of the Nords' history and not their own. Nevertheless, by bringing about the Civil War, the Aldmeri Dominion is directly responsible for the return of dragons to Tamriel.]]

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** [[spoiler: UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom: The [[spoiler:The prophecy of the Last Dragonborn explicitly states that when brother fights brother - in other words, civil war in Skyrim - it will be the final harbinger of Alduin's return. It's doubtful that the Thalmor are aware of the prophecy, as it's part of the Nords' history and not their own. Nevertheless, by bringing about the Civil War, the Aldmeri Dominion is directly responsible for the return of dragons to Tamriel.]]



* RedHerring: [[spoiler: Delphine believes they are behind the dragon attacks. They're not - at least, not on purpose; see UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom, above.]]

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* RedHerring: [[spoiler: Delphine [[spoiler:Delphine believes they are behind the dragon attacks. They're not - at least, not on purpose; see UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom, above.]]



* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: It's heavily implied he is killed when/if the Stormcloaks take control of Markarth. He disappears, and a coffin containing items he carries can be found in the Hall of the Dead.]]
** Even if he isn't [[spoiler: killed by the Stormcloaks]], he can [[spoiler: easily be killed by ''you'' by simply walking up to him and [[MakeMeWannaShout Shouting]] him down the stairs. Killing him and his bodyguards will set all the guards into "Stop right there criminal scum!" mode, but you only have to pay a measly forty septims for assault, and can just have his corpse looted so you just make your money back. [[ExpansionPack Dawnguard]] offers new and [[AnimateDead corpse]][=/=][[YourSoulIsMine soul-defiling]] methods to kill him with the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], and Dragonborn grants you even crueller ways to kill him.]]

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* AssholeVictim: [[spoiler: It's [[spoiler:It's heavily implied he is killed when/if the Stormcloaks take control of Markarth. He disappears, and a coffin containing items he carries can be found in the Hall of the Dead.]]
** Even if he isn't [[spoiler: killed [[spoiler:killed by the Stormcloaks]], he can [[spoiler: easily [[spoiler:easily be killed by ''you'' by simply walking up to him and [[MakeMeWannaShout Shouting]] him down the stairs. Killing him and his bodyguards will set all the guards into "Stop right there criminal scum!" mode, but you only have to pay a measly forty septims for assault, and can just have his corpse looted so you just make your money back. [[ExpansionPack Dawnguard]] offers new and [[AnimateDead corpse]][=/=][[YourSoulIsMine soul-defiling]] methods to kill him with the [[MakeMeWannaShout Thu'um]], and Dragonborn grants you even crueller ways to kill him.]]



* PunchClockVillain: Possibly. He doesn't have Ogmund arrested when you steal his amulet, he doesn't make any attempt to police the shrine to Talos in the middle of the city, and he doesn't really seem to do anything besides pace around and act smug. He'll even, with a little persuasion, [[spoiler: help you out at the Thalmor Embassy party]]. Either his hands are tied by Markarth's messy political situation, or he doesn't care enough to walk the Thalmor walk.

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* PunchClockVillain: Possibly. He doesn't have Ogmund arrested when you steal his amulet, he doesn't make any attempt to police the shrine to Talos in the middle of the city, and he doesn't really seem to do anything besides pace around and act smug. He'll even, with a little persuasion, [[spoiler: help [[spoiler:help you out at the Thalmor Embassy party]]. Either his hands are tied by Markarth's messy political situation, or he doesn't care enough to walk the Thalmor walk.



* UnderestimatingBadassery: He woefully underestimates the Dragonborn, despite them making their way through Labyrinthian, [[spoiler: defeating the Dragon Priest Morokei,]] and mopping the floor with the Thalmor assassin sent to eliminate them.

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* UnderestimatingBadassery: He woefully underestimates the Dragonborn, despite them making their way through Labyrinthian, [[spoiler: defeating [[spoiler:defeating the Dragon Priest Morokei,]] and mopping the floor with the Thalmor assassin sent to eliminate them.



* MauveShirt: Only appears in one quest, [[spoiler: and you need to kill him to complete the quest.]]

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* MauveShirt: Only appears in one quest, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and you need to kill him to complete the quest.]]



* TooDumbToLive: He attacks someone who is able to defeat [[spoiler: a dragon priest]].

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* TooDumbToLive: He attacks someone who is able to defeat [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a dragon priest]].
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