History Characters / GameOfThronesHouseFrey

19th Apr '16 6:40:54 PM wdfan
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->'''Played By:''' Tom Brooke

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->'''Played By:''' Tom Brooke
Brooke (Season 3), Daniel Tuite (Season 6)
10th Mar '16 5:41:01 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* WouldHitAgirl: To kick off the Red Wedding, Lothar lurches over to Talisa and stabs her multiple times in the stomach.
* WouldHurtAChild: It's unclear if he was aware that Talisa was pregnant, but he nonetheless murders her through her child.

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* WouldHitAgirl: WouldHitAGirl: To kick off the Red Wedding, Lothar lurches over to Talisa and stabs her multiple times in the stomach.
* WouldHurtAChild: It's unclear if he was aware that Talisa was pregnant, but he nonetheless murders her through her unborn child.
28th Feb '16 4:14:42 PM Himbeergeist
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* ObviouslyEvil: Rarely does one meet a gaunt-faced old man with a hooked nose, a grumpy expression and such a raspy voice that is up to anything good. [[MeanCharacterNiceActor Well, on screen at least...]]
18th Feb '16 5:53:38 AM Himbeergeist
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* AdaptationalAttractiveness: In the books, the Frey gene usually leads to RoyallyScrewedUp facial features, skin conditions and disproportional physiques (with a few lucky exceptions). The named Freys in the series are at worst plain people in ridiculously unflattering outfits.
30th Jan '16 4:00:38 AM Silverblade2
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* AdaptedOut[=/=]PragmaticAdaptation: While it's known that Lord Walder has a number of great-grandchildren (to his elder children, at least), the characters who were identified (in the books) as such have been either unmentioned, or changed in terms of their relation to him (eg: Black Walder changed from a great-grandson to a bastard son; great-granddaughter Marianne ''Vance'' becoming granddaughter Marianne ''Frey'').

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* AdaptedOut[=/=]PragmaticAdaptation: AdaptedOut: While it's known that Lord Walder has a number of great-grandchildren (to his elder children, at least), the characters who were identified (in the books) as such have been either unmentioned, or changed in terms of their relation to him (eg: Black Walder changed from a great-grandson to a bastard son; great-granddaughter Marianne ''Vance'' becoming granddaughter Marianne ''Frey'').



* AdaptationNameChange[=/=]CanonForeigner: Uncertainty regarding which - her name is similar to "Arwyn Frey", the sixth of Lord Walder's trueborn daughters in the books (between Roslin and Shirei); it's possible her name was changed in the show, possibly to add to the ThemeNaming the show has given them (Frey women's names ending on "-a" or "-ya" sounds). On the other hand, the three daughters below (who added to the number he has in the books) suggest she might be an original character rather than the same one - unlike her brother Elmar (the books' equivalent of Waldron, Arya's once-betrothed), Arwyn has no distinguishing traits that highlight her presence, so it's hard to tell if she's meant to be the same character.

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* AdaptationNameChange[=/=]CanonForeigner: Uncertainty regarding which - her AdaptationNameChange: Her name is similar to "Arwyn Frey", the sixth of Lord Walder's trueborn daughters in the books (between Roslin and Shirei); it's possible her name was changed in the show, possibly to add to the ThemeNaming the show has given them (Frey women's names ending on "-a" or "-ya" sounds). On the other hand, the three daughters below (who added to the number he has in the books) suggest she might be an original character rather than the same one - unlike her brother Elmar (the books' equivalent of Waldron, Arya's once-betrothed), Arwyn has no distinguishing traits that highlight her presence, so it's hard to tell if she's meant to be the same character.



* AdaptationNameChange[=/=]CanonForeigner: A combination of both these tropes is at play here. In the books, Lord Walder has no trueborn daughters with these names - there are Waldas among his bastard daughters, as well as his granddaughters and great-granddaughters, and Waldra is a similarly derivative name, but nobody named Derwa appears in the books or even indices. Of seven trueborn daughters in the books, the eldest three are married and the fourth is a maid of nearly thirty. Based on their relative age, these three appear to have replaced the books' Arwyn Frey - the sixth legitimate daughter of Walder and first child with Anna Farring, Anwyn is a year younger than Roslin and nearly ten years older than her trueborn sister Shirei. Derwa, Waldra and Walda are in the right age range to be between Roslin and Shirei, regardless of whether their mother is intended to be Walder's 6th wife (Bethany Rosby) or his 7th (Anna Farring).

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* AdaptationNameChange[=/=]CanonForeigner: A combination of both these tropes is at play here. AdaptationNameChange: In the books, Lord Walder has no trueborn daughters with these names - there are Waldas among his bastard daughters, as well as his granddaughters and great-granddaughters, and Waldra is a similarly derivative name, but nobody named Derwa appears in the books or even indices. Of seven trueborn daughters in the books, the eldest three are married and the fourth is a maid of nearly thirty. Based on their relative age, these three appear to have replaced the books' Arwyn Frey - the sixth legitimate daughter of Walder and first child with Anna Farring, Anwyn is a year younger than Roslin and nearly ten years older than her trueborn sister Shirei. Derwa, Waldra and Walda are in the right age range to be between Roslin and Shirei, regardless of whether their mother is intended to be Walder's 6th wife (Bethany Rosby) or his 7th (Anna Farring).



* AdaptationDistillation[=/=]PragmaticAdaptation: She's based on Marianne ''Vance'' from the books, who was Lord Walder's ''great''-granddaughter - her mother, Maegelle Frey, was married to Ser Dafyn Vance and was the daughter of Stevron Frey and his second wife. Her backstory seems to have been simplified, either by the writers for the audience, or otherwise by Lord Walder to avoid him explaining it in great detail. Her book counterpart was also presented to Robb despite being born a Vance, not a Frey.

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* AdaptationDistillation[=/=]PragmaticAdaptation: AdaptationDistillation: She's based on Marianne ''Vance'' from the books, who was Lord Walder's ''great''-granddaughter - her mother, Maegelle Frey, was married to Ser Dafyn Vance and was the daughter of Stevron Frey and his second wife. Her backstory seems to have been simplified, either by the writers for the audience, or otherwise by Lord Walder to avoid him explaining it in great detail. Her book counterpart was also presented to Robb despite being born a Vance, not a Frey.



* AgeLift[=/=]CanonForeigner: One or the other applies depending on what his ancestry is, because the only known Willem Frey in the books is a boy of ten years old. In the books, Willem is the second son of Cleos Frey, himself the eldest son of Emmon Frey - Lord Walder's second-born child and son, who is married to Genna Lannister, Tywin's younger sister. This ''might'' be him, aged up to correspond with the setting: in the books, Genna Lannister starts off at 52, her brother Tywin at about 55 or 56. With Tywin's age in Season 4 being stated as 67 (presumably 64 in the first season), it stands to reason that Genna herself would be in her early 60s ''at least'' when the story begins and thus old enough to have adult grandchildren.

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* AgeLift[=/=]CanonForeigner: One or the other applies depending on what his ancestry is, because the only known Willem Frey in the books is a boy of ten years old. AgeLift: In the books, Willem is the second son of Cleos Frey, himself the eldest son of Emmon Frey - Lord Walder's second-born child and son, who is married to Genna Lannister, Tywin's younger sister. This ''might'' be him, aged up to correspond with the setting: in the books, Genna Lannister starts off at 52, her brother Tywin at about 55 or 56. With Tywin's age in Season 4 being stated as 67 (presumably 64 in the first season), it stands to reason that Genna herself would be in her early 60s ''at least'' when the story begins and thus old enough to have adult grandchildren.
18th Jul '15 3:17:08 PM Morgenthaler
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* GenreBlind: In spite of his dark moments of GenreSavvy, he fails to realize just how many people have him in their crosshairs now, since he's been PromotedToScapegoat.

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* GenreBlind: In spite of his dark moments of GenreSavvy, intelligence, he fails to realize just how many people have him in their crosshairs now, since he's been PromotedToScapegoat.
17th Jun '15 10:43:32 AM Silverblade2
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* [[AllThereInTheManual All There In The Book]]: His name.

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* [[AllThereInTheManual All There In The Book]]: AllThereInTheManual: His name.



* [[AllThereInTheManual All There In The Book]]: His name - he was originally believed to be Walder Rivers, but is likely Ryger Rivers instead - hinted by the [[CompositeCharacter combining of said character with Black Walder Frey from the books]], along with his more pleasant demeanour, line of dialogue, and backstory as a milkmaid's son (both of which belong to Ryger in the books).

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* [[AllThereInTheManual All There In The Book]]: AllThereInTheManual: His name - he was originally believed to be Walder Rivers, but is likely Ryger Rivers instead - hinted by the [[CompositeCharacter combining of said character with Black Walder Frey from the books]], along with his more pleasant demeanour, line of dialogue, and backstory as a milkmaid's son (both of which belong to Ryger in the books).



* [[WouldHitAgirl Would Stab a Pregnant Girl]]: To kick off the Red Wedding, Lothar lurches over to Talisa and stabs her multiple times in the stomach.
* [[WouldHurtAChild Would Hurt An Unborn Child]]: It's unclear if he was aware that Talisa was pregnant, but he nonetheless murders her through her child.

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* [[WouldHitAgirl Would Stab a Pregnant Girl]]: WouldHitAgirl: To kick off the Red Wedding, Lothar lurches over to Talisa and stabs her multiple times in the stomach.
* [[WouldHurtAChild Would Hurt An Unborn Child]]: WouldHurtAChild: It's unclear if he was aware that Talisa was pregnant, but he nonetheless murders her through her child.



* [[DemotedToExtra Demoted To]] TheGhost: Only mentioned in "Baelor". Despite being Robb's squire, he's never onscreen in Season 2 in any of Robb's scenes (despite the series giving Robb more to do onscreen than the books did).

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* [[DemotedToExtra Demoted To]] TheGhost: DemotedToExtra: Only mentioned in "Baelor". Despite being Robb's squire, he's never onscreen in Season 2 in any of Robb's scenes (despite the series giving Robb more to do onscreen than the books did).



* [[DemotedToExtra Demoted To]] TheGhost: He appears several times in the second book, meeting Arya Stark at Harrenhal while it's occupied by Roose Bolton; not knowing she is his betrothed, he boasts about the princess he is to marry to the point that Arya, annoyed by him, hopes said princess dies before marrying him (not knowing it is her). Since Roose only occupies Harrenhal ''after'' Arya escapes in the series, we never see him onscreen.

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* [[DemotedToExtra Demoted To]] TheGhost: DemotedToExtra: He appears several times in the second book, meeting Arya Stark at Harrenhal while it's occupied by Roose Bolton; not knowing she is his betrothed, he boasts about the princess he is to marry to the point that Arya, annoyed by him, hopes said princess dies before marrying him (not knowing it is her). Since Roose only occupies Harrenhal ''after'' Arya escapes in the series, we never see him onscreen.
6th Jun '15 9:57:24 AM Sagetsu
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* {{Expy}}: To [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalrymple,_1st_Earl_of_Stair John Dalrymple]], the nobleman formally implicated in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe Glencoe Massacre]][[note]]which GeorgeRRMartin explicitedly noted as one of the bases for the Red Wedding[[/note]], and who was subsequently hounded by the fallout of it. Dalrymple, to his credit, was nonetheless a way more competent official than Walder Frey ever was, having been responsible for the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Union Treaty of Union between Scotland and England]].
5th Jun '15 12:44:43 PM unclejack
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* GenreBlind: In spite of his dark moments of GenreSavvy, he fails to realise just how many people have him in their crosshairs now, since he's been PromotedToScapegoat.

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* GenreBlind: In spite of his dark moments of GenreSavvy, he fails to realise realize just how many people have him in their crosshairs now, since he's been PromotedToScapegoat.


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* {{Troll}}: Much of the time, he seems to just enjoy riling people. His obscene behavior toward Talisa gets under Robb's skin easily, who has to remain silent as he constantly insults them both. He also keeps Roslin hidden until the actual wedding, to make Edmure squirm about which homely Frey daughter he'll have to marry.
27th May '15 5:27:53 PM KingClark
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* AdaptationalVillainy: During the Red Wedding scene, a change by the adaptation makes him even more monstrous than he was in the books. Due to the absence of the book character Jinglebell (Walder Frey's mentally-retarded grandson), Catelyn targets one of his wives instead. In the book, he states that Jinglebell does not have anything to offer the family and that Catelyn has no leverage in the situation - cruel, but understandable for someone so pragmatic. However, he simply says that he can always get another wife, making him sound more misogynist and self-centered.

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* AdaptationalVillainy: During the Red Wedding scene, a change by the adaptation makes him even more monstrous than he was in the books. Due to the absence of the book character Jinglebell (Walder Frey's mentally-retarded grandson), Catelyn targets one of his wives instead. In the book, he states that Jinglebell does not have anything to offer the family and that Catelyn has no leverage in the situation - cruel, [[KickTheDog cruel]], [[PragmaticVillainy but understandable for someone so pragmatic. However, pragmatic]]. In the show, he simply says that [[ReplacementGoldfish he can always get another wife, wife]], making him sound more misogynist and self-centered.self-centered in addition to cruel.
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