History Characters / FalloutNewVegasCaesarsLegion

10th Feb '17 10:11:45 AM HeroOfCanton
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* ChildSoldiers: Listen to Ranger Andy's story and he'll tell you that the Legion have no issues with using child soldiers for suicide attacks against the NCR, knowing that the NCR soldiers will hesitate before they start shooting. When visiting the Fort, you can also see some young children training to be full Legionaries. Those children have an even worse implication: even in the NCR, many soldiers joined the active military at 16. Those aforementioned Legion ''children'' are expecting to be allowed to fight soon. Therefore it's likely the Legionaries become active soldiers very young. There is even a story about Lanius in which he (conflicting his usual story) became a soldier at ''age 12''. While that seems to be the exception, there is also Chief Hanlon, who tells us that anyone who survives 10 years as a soldier in Caesar's Legion is exceptional and can be considered a veteran, since most of them die long before that. Think about that for a moment, and then about [[TeensAreMonsters how old most of those Legionaries you are fighting probably are]].

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* ChildSoldiers: Listen to Ranger Andy's story and he'll tell you that the Legion have no issues with using child soldiers for suicide attacks against the NCR, knowing that the NCR soldiers will hesitate before they start shooting. When visiting the Fort, you can also see some young children training to be full Legionaries. Those children have an even worse implication: even in the NCR, many soldiers joined the active military at 16. Those aforementioned Legion ''children'' are expecting to be allowed to fight soon. Therefore it's likely the Legionaries become active soldiers very young. There is even a story about Lanius in which he (conflicting his usual story) became a soldier at ''age 12''.12'' [[note]]this is actually supported somewhat by the two kids seen running up and down the hill lead up to the camp at Fortification Hill, both of whom are tagged as "Legion Recruits" and can't be much older than 10 or 11.[[/note]]. While that seems to be the exception, there is also Chief Hanlon, who tells us that anyone who survives 10 years as a soldier in Caesar's Legion is exceptional and can be considered a veteran, since most of them die long before that. Think about that for a moment, and then about [[TeensAreMonsters how old most of those Legionaries you are fighting probably are]].
19th Nov '16 9:56:22 AM CoolPopper
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* AffablyEvil: Inculta is a bit like this. Legate Lanius, despite being much more brutal than the other two, is surprisingly polite to the Courier, [[EvenEvilHasStandards disapproves of Vulpes' methods of handling the West]], and praises you if you have earned his respect or sided with Caesar. Caesar himself is a pretty good boss as long as you do not question his ideals too much/don't fail him. Even if you do fail him (or cross him), owning up to it and apologizing will cause him to forgive you. Lucius will apologize to you for blaming you if you [[spoiler: fail to cure Caesar]], and is even willing to teach you unarmed moves if you haven't been hostile to the Legion.

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* AffablyEvil: Inculta is a bit like this.this, although his actions [[FauxAffablyEvil can say otherwise]]. Legate Lanius, despite being much more brutal than the other two, is surprisingly polite to the Courier, [[EvenEvilHasStandards disapproves of Vulpes' methods of handling the West]], and praises you if you have earned his respect or sided with Caesar. Caesar himself is a pretty good boss as long as you do not question his ideals too much/don't fail him. Even if you do fail him (or cross him), owning up to it and apologizing will cause him to forgive you. Lucius will apologize to you for blaming you if you [[spoiler: fail to cure Caesar]], and is even willing to teach you unarmed moves if you haven't been hostile to the Legion.



* AffablyEvil: Like many other characters in the game, his friendliness to the main character is the only thing keeping most players from murdering him on sight.


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* FauxAffablyEvil: For a mass-murdering, heartless spymaster, he has quite a disarming demeanor.
30th Oct '16 1:24:02 AM DrakeClawfang
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** They sneer at NCR's citizens as weak and cowardly. Despite this the rank and file Legion members you fight will turn and flee at low health like any other enemies, and many named members you can engage in conversation can be cowed with the Terrifying Presence perk.
24th Oct '16 4:43:57 AM DrakeClawfang
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** What's that, Caesar? ScienceIsBad? Medicine shouldn't be be allowed because the weak don't deserve to live? Is that an Auto Doc next to your bed? He also apparently has no problem with taking Rex, a cyberdog, in as his personal hound.

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** What's that, Caesar? ScienceIsBad? Medicine Advanced medicine shouldn't be be allowed because the weak don't deserve to live? Is that Then why is it when we enter your tent the first thing we'll see is bodyguards armed with advanced Power Fists, and shortly after will likely see an Auto Doc Auto-Doc next to your bed? He also apparently has no problem with taking Rex, a cyberdog, in as his personal hound.hound, or using a howitzer to suppress NCR's snipers.
18th Oct '16 4:38:10 PM dlchen145
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* {{Badass}}: In the game files, he's even listed as "Legionary Badass".
18th Oct '16 4:25:42 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that *the actual Caesar never did.*

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** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that *the the actual Caesar never did.*
18th Oct '16 4:25:07 PM DrakeClawfang
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** To the historical JuliusCaesar whose name and role he appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that *the actual Caesar never did.*

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** To Ironically, he's also one to the real historical JuliusCaesar Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar whose name and role he he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that *the actual Caesar never did.*
22nd Sep '16 3:44:37 AM Cilver
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* GenghisGambit: His ultimate goal isn't to create a slaving, warmongering military state; his goal is to use that to forcibly assimilate the various tribes of the wasteland and give them a common culture, so that whenever the Legion inevitably collapses, the peoples left to rebuild will do it as one culture (as opposed to the NCR, which he thinks will also inevitably collapse, [[DividedWeFall only to leave behind a multitude of self interested, uncooperative states]]). Of course, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity he's already begun to slip from his seemingly noble goals into more megalomaniacal]] tendencies by the time the Courier meets him.
21st Sep '16 7:35:52 PM ElectroKraken
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* BrainsAndBrawns: He and Graham were originally this, with him as the brains giving orders and doing the ruling while Graham was the brawns, leading his army and killing in his name. Nowadays Lanius takes up the brawn part.

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* BrainsAndBrawns: BrainsAndBrawn: He and Graham were originally this, with him as the brains giving orders and doing the ruling while Graham was the brawns, leading his army and killing in his name. Nowadays Lanius takes up the brawn part.
9th Sep '16 9:43:11 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[PuttingOnTheReich Putting On The Römisches Reich]]: Caesar modelled the Legion on Rome, particularly the post-Republic [[TheRomanEmpire Roman Empire]]. [[ShowingTheirWork He starts by uniting some tribes...]]

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* [[PuttingOnTheReich Putting On The Römisches Reich]]: Caesar modelled the Legion on Rome, particularly the post-Republic [[TheRomanEmpire [[UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire Roman Empire]]. [[ShowingTheirWork He starts by uniting some tribes...]]
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