History Characters / FalloutNewVegasCaesarsLegion

21st May '17 4:38:26 AM DrakeClawfang
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* MemeticBadass: Not only is one in-universe, but it's an InvokedTrope. Ulysses states that Lanius is considered a near-mythical figure, both to the Legion and NCR. His power is in his reputation and all the legends about him, creating a god-like mythos to scare the Legion into loyalty and NCR into retreating. However, as the player will find out, while Lanius is certainly a powerful combatant, he is not the rampaging butcher the myths proclaim. Ulysses also says that Lanius is aware of the power his reputation holds, and will not tolerate looking weak in front of his men to avoid damaging it, thus he'll back down if he thinks he will lose.
* MultipleChoicePast: There are several accounts of how he came to be the Legion's greatest soldier that don't quite match up with each other. For example, Caesar's account of how he was the mightiest warrior in a conquered tribe and was press-ganged into the Legion doesn't fit Lucius' claim that he was already a centurion when he was 12 years old. Likewise, Joshua Graham remarks that he never heard of Lanius during his time leading the Legion, and only learned of him recently by reputation, suggesting Lanius wasn't present or at least prominent in the Legion until after Josh's banishment, which was only seven years ago. Ulysses mentions the possibility that there has been more than one Lanius, since the only ones who have "seen" him without his mask are blinded slaves. Furthermore, this trope is likely deliberate to build up Lanius's ShroudedInMyth MemeticBadass image.

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* MemeticBadass: Not only is one in-universe, but it's an InvokedTrope. Ulysses states that Lanius is considered a near-mythical figure, both to the Legion and NCR. His power is in his reputation and all the legends about him, creating a god-like mythos to scare the Legion into loyalty and NCR into retreating. However, as the player will find out, while Lanius is certainly a powerful combatant, he is not the rampaging butcher the myths proclaim. Ulysses also says Further, he knows that Lanius is aware of the his real power is in his reputation holds, and image, thus he will avoid jeopardizing it fighting a losing battle, and will not tolerate looking weak in front of his men to avoid damaging it, thus he'll back down if he thinks he will to save face rather than fight and lose.
* MultipleChoicePast: There are several accounts of how he came to be the Legion's greatest soldier that don't quite match up with each other. For example, Caesar's account of how he was the mightiest warrior in a conquered tribe and was press-ganged into the Legion doesn't fit Lucius' claim that he was already a centurion when he was 12 years old. Likewise, Joshua Graham remarks that he never heard of Lanius during his time leading the Legion, and Legion; Josh was only learned of him recently by reputation, banished seven years ago, suggesting Lanius wasn't present or at least prominent in the Legion until after Josh's banishment, which was only seven years ago. at the time. To further confuse the matter, Ulysses mentions the possibility that there has been more than no one Lanius, since the only ones who have "seen" him sees Lanius without his mask are on, and anyone who does is blinded slaves.for it, thus there's the possibility for there to be several Lanius' since anyone can don his armor and mask to take on his image. Furthermore, this trope is likely deliberate to build up Lanius's ShroudedInMyth MemeticBadass image.



* StupidEvil: If he takes over the Legion and wins, he takes a number of steps that demonstrate what an EvilOverlord he is, but are strategically ''really'' stupid. Just to name one example. Unlike Caesar, he will try to hunt down the Enclave Remnants if they help the Legion. Keep in mind that the Enclave was the scourge of the wasteland over thirty years ago and the remnants hadn't lost their vibe. Needless to say, Lanius [[EpicFail fails immensely]]. We expected better from you, buddy. Justified as that it's not that Lanius is stupid but he is a fanatic of the MightMakesRight mentality. It is his belief that by his mayhem the world get stronger.
* SuckSessor: Despite being Caesar's successor if he dies, it's implied that he is less accomplished as a ruler than as a commander. Notably, in the epilogue while Caesar does tend to leave certain factions alone if he thinks they're not worth the trouble of killing (most notably the [[MadBomber Boomers]] and the [[TheDreaded Enclave Remnants]]), Lanius will try to take them down and incur heavy losses while doing so. It's also implied that he relies primarily on fear to hold the Legion together.

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* StupidEvil: If he takes over the Legion and wins, he takes a number of steps that demonstrate what an EvilOverlord he is, but are strategically ''really'' stupid. Just to name one example. Unlike Caesar, he will try The most prominent instance is deciding to hunt down the Enclave Remnants if they help the Legion. Keep in mind that the Enclave was the scourge of the wasteland over thirty years ago and the remnants hadn't lost their vibe. Needless order to say, Lanius [[EpicFail fails immensely]]. We expected better from you, buddy. Justified as that allow no opposition to his rule. Caesar is smart enough to recognize it's not that worth it and will leave them alone, while Lanius is stupid but he is a fanatic sends hundreds of the MightMakesRight mentality. It is his belief that by his mayhem the world get stronger.
Legionnaires after them to no success.
* SuckSessor: Despite being Caesar's successor if he dies, he's quite a lacking replacement, as Lanius' skill is in military command, not government command. While Caesar commands loyalty through his cult of personality, Lanius does it through fear and violence. Numerous characters comment that without Caesar the Legion will eventually fall apart because it's his presence that holds it together, and its implied that he is less accomplished as a ruler than as a commander. Notably, in the epilogue while Caesar does tend to leave certain factions alone if he thinks they're not worth the trouble of killing (most notably the [[MadBomber Boomers]] and the [[TheDreaded Enclave Remnants]]), despite his best efforts, Lanius will try fail to take them down and incur heavy losses while doing so. It's also implied that he relies primarily on fear to hold stop this if Caesar dies, even if the Legion together.wins the Mojave afterward.
21st May '17 4:27:49 AM DrakeClawfang
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* HiddenDepths: Twice over. When you see what the Legion is like over the first act of the game, you'll probably come to see Caesar as a barbaric EvilWarlord. Then you meet the man in person and discover he's actually very intelligent and well-spoken with a vast knowledge of philosophy, social science, history, and government. Then if you choose to side with the Legion and actually get to know the guy, his true nature as a violent sociopathic narcissist begins to come into focus.



** [[spoiler:If he takes over Vegas, Caesar allows the Followers to leave peacefully since they're the ones who raised him in the first place]].
** [[spoiler:He'll also give Hanlon a quick, painless death out of respect, which is better than what Lanius gives him]].
** [[spoiler:The surrounding Mojave is peacefully integrated into the Legion should the Legion win Hoover Dam and he still be alive. Aside from an oath of fealty, he asks nothing more of any of its populace, and conditions are said to greatly improve]].
** [[spoiler:Should you sell Arcade into slavery, he'll try to treat him reasonably and will be devastated when Arcade kills himself]].
** [[spoiler:Saving him from his tumor will cause him to be extremely grateful and nigh-friendly to the Courier, which he lampshades by suggesting they "stop this mushy stuff."]]

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** [[spoiler:If If he takes over Vegas, Caesar allows the Followers to leave peacefully since they're the ones who raised him in the first place]].
place.
** [[spoiler:He'll also give Hanlon Out of respect for [[spoiler:Chief Hanlon]] for his composure in surrender and being a WorthyOpponent, Caesar has him beheaded in a quick, painless death out of respect, which is better death, rather than what Lanius gives him]].
crucifixion.
** [[spoiler:The surrounding Mojave is peacefully integrated into the Legion should the Legion win Hoover Dam and he still be alive. Aside from an oath of fealty, he asks nothing more of any of its populace, and conditions are said to greatly improve]].
** [[spoiler:Should
Should you sell Arcade [[spoiler:Arcade]] into slavery, he'll slavery to him, Caesar will try to treat him reasonably and will be comes to see him as a friend. Ending narrations describe him killing himself, and Caesar is devastated when Arcade kills himself]].
by the act and mourns him for months.
** [[spoiler:Saving Saving him from his tumor [[spoiler:his tumor]] will cause him to be extremely grateful and nigh-friendly to the Courier, which he lampshades by suggesting they "stop this mushy stuff."]]"



* WorthyOpponent: One of his very few redeeming traits.
** If he conquers Vegas, Caesar grants Chief Hanlon a quick death out of respect for his victory over the Legion at Hoover Dam, and allows the Followers to leave the Mojave despite their philosophical differences.
** It is also clear that he admires Kimball for his status as [[RetiredBadass a former war hero and general]], his autocratic attitude towards governing, and his draconian approach to warfare. But at the same time, he despises him for choosing to get elected democratically instead of staging a military coup.
** Interestingly, he ''doesn't'' see the Courier this way. He'll occasionally insult your intelligence (though this ceases after a while of working with him) and get mad when you show even the smallest disagreement. Once it's clear you have no interest in helping him, he'll throw a tantrum, call you names and promise you a humiliating, painful death if you continue to oppose him.

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* WorthyOpponent: One of his very few redeeming traits.
traits is that he recognizes competent enemies as such and will honor them even in victory.
** If he conquers Vegas, Caesar grants Chief Hanlon [[spoiler:Chief Hanlon]] a quick death out of respect for his victory over the Legion at Hoover Dam, and allows the Followers to leave the Mojave despite their philosophical differences.
respect.
** It is also clear that he He admires Kimball for his status as [[RetiredBadass a former war hero and general]], his autocratic attitude towards governing, and his draconian approach to warfare. But at the same time, he despises him for choosing to get elected democratically instead of staging a military coup.
** Interestingly, he ''doesn't'' see the Courier this way. He'll occasionally insult your intelligence (though this ceases after a while of working with him) and get mad when you show even the smallest disagreement. Once it's clear you have no interest in helping him, he'll throw a tantrum, call you names and promise you a humiliating, painful death if you continue to oppose him.
coup.
26th Apr '17 12:06:16 AM Vovka
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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two recruit legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, instructing them to open as many barrels as they can and "report back to him".
3rd Mar '17 7:27:00 PM Xtifr
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** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that the actual Caesar never did.

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** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that the actual Caesar never did.
10th Feb '17 10:11:45 AM HeroOfCanton
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* ChildSoldiers: Listen to Ranger Andy's story and he'll tell you that the Legion have no issues with using child soldiers for suicide attacks against the NCR, knowing that the NCR soldiers will hesitate before they start shooting. When visiting the Fort, you can also see some young children training to be full Legionaries. Those children have an even worse implication: even in the NCR, many soldiers joined the active military at 16. Those aforementioned Legion ''children'' are expecting to be allowed to fight soon. Therefore it's likely the Legionaries become active soldiers very young. There is even a story about Lanius in which he (conflicting his usual story) became a soldier at ''age 12''. While that seems to be the exception, there is also Chief Hanlon, who tells us that anyone who survives 10 years as a soldier in Caesar's Legion is exceptional and can be considered a veteran, since most of them die long before that. Think about that for a moment, and then about [[TeensAreMonsters how old most of those Legionaries you are fighting probably are]].

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* ChildSoldiers: Listen to Ranger Andy's story and he'll tell you that the Legion have no issues with using child soldiers for suicide attacks against the NCR, knowing that the NCR soldiers will hesitate before they start shooting. When visiting the Fort, you can also see some young children training to be full Legionaries. Those children have an even worse implication: even in the NCR, many soldiers joined the active military at 16. Those aforementioned Legion ''children'' are expecting to be allowed to fight soon. Therefore it's likely the Legionaries become active soldiers very young. There is even a story about Lanius in which he (conflicting his usual story) became a soldier at ''age 12''.12'' [[note]]this is actually supported somewhat by the two kids seen running up and down the hill lead up to the camp at Fortification Hill, both of whom are tagged as "Legion Recruits" and can't be much older than 10 or 11.[[/note]]. While that seems to be the exception, there is also Chief Hanlon, who tells us that anyone who survives 10 years as a soldier in Caesar's Legion is exceptional and can be considered a veteran, since most of them die long before that. Think about that for a moment, and then about [[TeensAreMonsters how old most of those Legionaries you are fighting probably are]].
19th Nov '16 9:56:22 AM CoolPopper
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* AffablyEvil: Inculta is a bit like this. Legate Lanius, despite being much more brutal than the other two, is surprisingly polite to the Courier, [[EvenEvilHasStandards disapproves of Vulpes' methods of handling the West]], and praises you if you have earned his respect or sided with Caesar. Caesar himself is a pretty good boss as long as you do not question his ideals too much/don't fail him. Even if you do fail him (or cross him), owning up to it and apologizing will cause him to forgive you. Lucius will apologize to you for blaming you if you [[spoiler: fail to cure Caesar]], and is even willing to teach you unarmed moves if you haven't been hostile to the Legion.

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* AffablyEvil: Inculta is a bit like this.this, although his actions [[FauxAffablyEvil can say otherwise]]. Legate Lanius, despite being much more brutal than the other two, is surprisingly polite to the Courier, [[EvenEvilHasStandards disapproves of Vulpes' methods of handling the West]], and praises you if you have earned his respect or sided with Caesar. Caesar himself is a pretty good boss as long as you do not question his ideals too much/don't fail him. Even if you do fail him (or cross him), owning up to it and apologizing will cause him to forgive you. Lucius will apologize to you for blaming you if you [[spoiler: fail to cure Caesar]], and is even willing to teach you unarmed moves if you haven't been hostile to the Legion.



* AffablyEvil: Like many other characters in the game, his friendliness to the main character is the only thing keeping most players from murdering him on sight.


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* FauxAffablyEvil: For a mass-murdering, heartless spymaster, he has quite a disarming demeanor.
30th Oct '16 1:24:02 AM DrakeClawfang
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** They sneer at NCR's citizens as weak and cowardly. Despite this the rank and file Legion members you fight will turn and flee at low health like any other enemies, and many named members you can engage in conversation can be cowed with the Terrifying Presence perk.
24th Oct '16 4:43:57 AM DrakeClawfang
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** What's that, Caesar? ScienceIsBad? Medicine shouldn't be be allowed because the weak don't deserve to live? Is that an Auto Doc next to your bed? He also apparently has no problem with taking Rex, a cyberdog, in as his personal hound.

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** What's that, Caesar? ScienceIsBad? Medicine Advanced medicine shouldn't be be allowed because the weak don't deserve to live? Is that Then why is it when we enter your tent the first thing we'll see is bodyguards armed with advanced Power Fists, and shortly after will likely see an Auto Doc Auto-Doc next to your bed? He also apparently has no problem with taking Rex, a cyberdog, in as his personal hound.hound, or using a howitzer to suppress NCR's snipers.
18th Oct '16 4:38:10 PM dlchen145
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* {{Badass}}: In the game files, he's even listed as "Legionary Badass".
18th Oct '16 4:25:42 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that *the actual Caesar never did.*

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** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical Creator/GaiusJuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that *the the actual Caesar never did.*
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