History Characters / FalloutNewVegasCaesarsLegion

10th Feb '16 11:16:16 AM DrakeClawfang
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* MoralSociopathy: Caesar has a sense of morality. He holds the NCR in contempt for squandering the ‘common good’, respects his worthy opponents and has a strong belief in civic duty and maintaining a strong nation. However, it’s made perfectly clear he’s more interested in fulfilling philosophical abstractions and aside from occasional lip service, doesn’t care about people’s welfare. He butchers entire nations over personal grudges, dooms most of his subjects to a life of rape and slavery, kills people for interrupting his sleep and his smug, tortures them for entertainment and his self-congratulatory boasting about his past victories mixed in with talk of ordering the killing of children makes it clear he doesn’t have a shred of remorse over what he’s done.
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* MoralSociopathy: Caesar has a sense of morality. He holds the NCR in contempt for squandering the ‘common good’, respects his worthy opponents and has a strong belief in civic duty and maintaining a strong nation. However, it’s made perfectly clear he’s more interested in fulfilling philosophical abstractions and aside from occasional lip service, doesn’t care about people’s welfare. He butchers entire nations over personal grudges, dooms most of his subjects to a life of rape and slavery, kills people for interrupting his sleep and his smug, sleep, tortures them for entertainment and his smug, self-congratulatory boasting about his past victories mixed in with talk of ordering the killing of children makes it clear he doesn’t have a shred of remorse over what he’s done.

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* MoralSociopathy: VillainousLegacy: Part of his plan is to establish a Nova Roma that will outlive him and ensure humanity's future after his death. Other characters comment that it's to the point where killing Caesar has a sense of morality. He holds won't stop the NCR in contempt for squandering Legion as a whole, and indeed if you ''do'' kill him, Lanius just crowns himself the ‘common good’, respects his worthy opponents new Caesar and has becomes a strong belief in civic duty and maintaining a strong nation. DragonAscendant. However, it’s it's also implied that Lanius doesn't have the charisma and/or the insights on social science and philosophy that Caesar does, and in the ending it's made perfectly clear he’s more interested in fulfilling philosophical abstractions and aside from occasional lip service, doesn’t care about people’s welfare. He butchers entire nations over personal grudges, dooms most of his subjects to he's not as effective a life of rape and slavery, kills people ruler. While they may hold together for interrupting his sleep and his smug, tortures them for entertainment and his self-congratulatory boasting about his past victories mixed in with talk of ordering the killing of children makes it a time under Lanius, it's made clear he doesn’t have a shred of remorse over what he’s done. that the Legion will eventually fall apart without Caesar.
10th Feb '16 11:06:22 AM DrakeClawfang
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* DragonTheirFeet: By the time you fight him, either Caesar is dead, or [[spoiler:the Securitron army you/Mr. House has activated will be seeing to that shortly]]. Justified by the game making the point that killing Caesar won't stop the Legion, and Lanius has just taken control without him.
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* DragonTheirFeet: By the time you fight him, it's possible that either Caesar is dead, or [[spoiler:the Securitron army you/Mr. House has activated will be seeing to that shortly]]. Justified by the game making the point that killing Caesar won't stop the Legion, and Lanius has just taken control without him.
10th Feb '16 10:58:37 AM DrakeClawfang
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* TheDragon: He's the Legion's second-in-command and the most powerful warrior that they have, second only to Graham.

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* TheDragon: He's DragonTheirFeet: By the Legion's second-in-command and the most powerful warrior time you fight him, either Caesar is dead, or [[spoiler:the Securitron army you/Mr. House has activated will be seeing to that they have, second only to Graham.shortly]]. Justified by the game making the point that killing Caesar won't stop the Legion, and Lanius has just taken control without him.
9th Feb '16 8:28:02 PM Steam_Lord
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* HappinessInSlavery: Despite being a large slave army, the individual Legionaries seem quite content at their station. For example Lucius, Dead Sea, and Antony cheerfully talk about how their tribes were massacred, and how happy they are to be a part of the Legion. Even the two children in The Fort speak hopefully about the day they will become full legionaries. However, this is because Legionaries, despite Caesar's views on the subject, do not consider themselves to be a military organization, and not slaves. They view belonging to Caesar as more of a military creed than law. For example, Vulpes, Gabban, and Ulysseus call them either "Men or the Legion," or "my brothers". Furthermore throughout the Fort, any time a Legion member discusses the slaves they clearly refer to them as a separate class. "The Slaves have been spreading stores about the Burned Man again." "Have you seen the new slaves, some of them are quite beautiful." Regardless of their status, they are clearly treated better than the slaves they capture. Some high ranking Legion members have slaves of their own. In addition, Legionaries are frequently found with Legion coin on them, meaning they are paid in some way. The Legion also rewards its members for special feats; like Dead Sea and the Liberator. This trope is ''very'' averted for those captured; the Legion subjects them to chattel slavery, and deprives them of all rights. Canyon Runner, disturbingly, talks about how they are no longer human, and should be proud of their status.
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* HappinessInSlavery: Despite being a large slave army, the individual Legionaries seem quite content at their station. For example Lucius, Dead Sea, and Antony cheerfully talk about how their tribes were massacred, and how happy they are to be a part of the Legion. Even the two children in The Fort speak hopefully about the day they will become full legionaries. However, this is because Legionaries, despite Caesar's views on the subject, do not consider themselves to be a military organization, and not slaves. They view belonging to Caesar as more of a military creed than law. For example, Vulpes, Gabban, and Ulysseus call them either "Men or the Legion," or "my brothers". Furthermore throughout the Fort, any time a Legion member discusses the slaves they clearly refer to them as a separate class. "The Slaves have been spreading stores about the Burned Man again." "Have you seen the new slaves, some of them are quite beautiful." Regardless of their status, they are clearly treated better than the slaves they capture. Some high ranking Legion members have slaves of their own. In addition, Legionaries are frequently found with Legion coin on them, meaning they are paid in some way. The Legion also rewards its members for special feats; like Dead Sea and the Liberator. This trope is ''very'' averted for those captured; the Legion subjects them to chattel slavery, and deprives them of all rights. Canyon Runner, disturbingly, talks about how they are no longer human, and should be proud of their status.
9th Feb '16 8:25:38 PM Steam_Lord
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* DesertBandits: Deemed this by the NCR, but quite averted in practice. The Legion's doesn't raid neutral caravans or loot neutral towns, nor do they enslave or rob random travelers. They pursue Raiders and other wasteland nasties with ''extreme'' prejudice as well, which the NCR can't (or won't) often do.
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* DesertBandits: Deemed this by the NCR, but quite averted in practice. The Legion's doesn't raid neutral caravans or loot neutral towns, towns (usually), nor do they enslave or rob random travelers.travelers (usually). They pursue Raiders and other wasteland nasties with ''extreme'' prejudice as well, which the NCR can't (or won't) often do.
8th Feb '16 2:16:17 PM DrakeClawfang
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* DarthVaderClone: A more subtle example than most due to his Roman flavorings, but it's there; he's TheDragon to the BigBad and leader of the army, wears a CoolMask that gives him a deep, booming voice, is a symbol of fear and oppression across the Mojave, is feared by his underlings and is known to kill them for their failures, and wields a sword as his personal armament.
8th Feb '16 5:12:26 AM lolface123
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* DirtyCoward: While they boast about their loyalty and bravado, there are hints that some Legionaries may simply be ignorant rather than courageous. The terrifying presence perk usually only unnerves average [=NPCs=], but the Legion assassins Karl sends after you? They run in terror. While less likely to flee combat than their NCR counterparts, Legionaries will still run away (which they themselves claim never happens), and Lanius himself will run to heal if he gets too low on health. Many Legionaries may not be used to outright defiance.
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* DirtyCoward: While they boast about their loyalty and bravado, there are hints that some Legionaries may simply be ignorant rather than courageous. The terrifying presence perk usually only unnerves average [=NPCs=], but the Legion assassins Karl sends after you? They run in terror. While less likely to flee combat than their NCR counterparts, Legionaries will still run away (which they themselves claim never happens), or even ''put their hands over their heads and cower in fear'' and Lanius himself will run to heal if he gets too low on health. Many Legionaries may not be used to outright defiance.
2nd Jan '16 7:04:35 PM Doug86
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** The [[AllInTheManual Fallout New Vegas Game Guide]] also says that they're racist against ghouls and super mutants.
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** The [[AllInTheManual [[AllThereInTheManual Fallout New Vegas Game Guide]] also says that they're racist against ghouls and super mutants.
23rd Dec '15 9:03:38 PM Turtler
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* DramaticallyMissingThePoint: The army of pillaging Roman cosplayers led by a history nerd turned continental super conqueror can't (or won't) can't bring themselves to use technology, form stable alliances, or position themselves as a lesser threat then their enemies to independent or minor factions. In short, [[GeniusBonus they act less like Rome than the NCR does.]]
23rd Dec '15 8:56:30 PM Turtler
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** To the historical JuliusCaesar whose name and role he appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that *the actual Caesar never did.*
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