History Characters / FalloutNewVegasCaesarsLegion

9th Nov '17 7:38:37 PM Monsund
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* AlwaysChaoticEvil: A different example than most, since their leader is an intelligent man with a spelled-out motivation and large ambitions. However, they play it straight in every other aspect; every legionary from top to bottom is an evil marauder who rapes and kills for fun at the command of Caesar. You never meet a single member who can even be called decent.


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* VillainByDefault: Every legionary from top to bottom is an evil marauder who rapes and kills for fun at the command of Caesar. You never meet a single member who can even be called decent.
3rd Nov '17 6:42:08 AM BoorishBoomer
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* RedBaron: '''The Monster of the East'''.

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* RedBaron: '''The '''[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast The Monster of the East'''.East]]'''.



* WorthyOpponent: He considers you to be one if you managed to use speech to convince him to retreat. He even says that your views are noble, and hopes that the west will one day be full of people like you, so he can return one day and fight them in an epic battle.

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* WorthyOpponent: He considers you to be one if you managed to use speech to convince him to retreat. He even says that your views are noble, and hopes that the west will one day be full of people like you, [[BloodKnight so he can return one day and fight them in an epic battle.battle]].
21st Oct '17 7:20:30 AM MCanter89
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->'''Courier''': Why is the Legion so... strange?\\
'''Caesar''': [[MotiveRant I used Imperial Rome as the model for my Legion precisely because it was so foreign, so alien. I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempt to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the infighting, the corruption. Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. In Rome, I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana.]]\\
'''Courier''': What does "Pax Romana" mean?\\
'''Caesar''': [[TotalitarianUtilitarian It means a nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogeneous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquers. Long term stability at all costs. The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war or production]].

A merciless and well-organized nation of imperialistic slavers originated from Arizona in the area around the Grand Canyon. Founded by the charismatic and dangerous Caesar. They modelled their society on the Roman Empire and believe that through forced assimilation of the people that they conquer, humanity will one day all be united under the banner of the Legion, putting an end to all wars. They are currently aiming to push the NCR out of the area and conquer the Mojave Wasteland, and one day, California.

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->'''Courier''': ->'''Courier:''' Why is the Legion so... strange?\\
'''Caesar''': '''Caesar:''' [[MotiveRant I used Imperial Rome as the model for my Legion precisely because it was so foreign, so alien. I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempt to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the infighting, the corruption. Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. In Rome, I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana.]]\\
'''Courier''': '''Courier:''' What does "Pax Romana" mean?\\
'''Caesar''': '''Caesar:''' [[TotalitarianUtilitarian It means a nationalist, imperialist, totalitarian, homogeneous culture that obliterates the identity of every group it conquers. Long term Long-term stability at all costs. The individual has no value beyond his utility to the state, whether as an instrument of war or production]].

production.]]

A merciless and well-organized nation of imperialistic slavers originated originating from Arizona in the area around the Grand Canyon. Founded by the charismatic and dangerous Caesar. They modelled their society on the Roman Empire and believe that through forced assimilation of the people that they conquer, humanity will one day all be united under the banner of the Legion, putting an end to all wars. They are currently aiming to push the NCR out of the area and conquer the Mojave Wasteland, and Wasteland and, one day, California. California.




* AffablyEvil: Inculta is a bit like this, although his actions [[FauxAffablyEvil can say otherwise]]. Legate Lanius, despite being much more brutal than the other two, is surprisingly polite to the Courier, [[EvenEvilHasStandards disapproves of Vulpes' methods of handling the West]], and praises you if you have earned his respect or sided with Caesar. Caesar himself is a pretty good boss as long as you do not question his ideals too much/don't fail him. Even if you do fail him (or cross him), owning up to it and apologizing will cause him to forgive you. Lucius will apologize to you for blaming you if you [[spoiler: fail to cure Caesar]], and is even willing to teach you unarmed moves if you haven't been hostile to the Legion.
* AxCrazy: Most of the Legion members you meet are a bunch of psychotic thugs looking to rape, torture and murder everyone they come across. Even Caesar himself, despite his well-intentioned ambitions and rational veneer becomes unhealthily sadistic and kill-happy when he loses his temper.
* AltumVidetur: Their entire culture is based on the Roman Empire and they love to use Latin in their speeches.

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\n* AffablyEvil: Inculta is a bit like this, although his actions [[FauxAffablyEvil can say otherwise]]. Legate Lanius, despite Lanius (despite being much more brutal than the other two, two) is surprisingly polite to the Courier, [[EvenEvilHasStandards disapproves of Vulpes' Vulpes's methods of handling the West]], and praises you if you have earned his respect or sided with Caesar. Caesar himself is a pretty good boss as long as you do not question his ideals too much/don't fail him. Even if you do fail him (or cross him), owning up to it and apologizing will cause him to forgive you. Lucius will apologize to you for blaming you if you [[spoiler: fail [[spoiler:fail to cure Caesar]], and he is even willing to teach you unarmed moves if you haven't been hostile to the Legion.
* AxCrazy: Most of the Legion members you meet are a bunch of psychotic thugs looking to rape, torture torture, and murder everyone they come across. Even Caesar himself, despite his well-intentioned ambitions and rational veneer veneer, becomes unhealthily sadistic and kill-happy when he loses his temper.
* AltumVidetur: Their entire culture is based on the Roman Empire Empire, and they love to use Latin in their speeches.



* BadassArmy: Every Legionary, from the Legate on down, is either an experienced combatant or dead. The rank-and-file might not be terribly creative or well-armed, but even Colonel Moore admits they are in fantastic shape and fanatically loyal, charging machine gun nests with little more than a sharp stick if their commander orders it. [[spoiler:Caesar is an exception; he relies on his brains to get around his lack of brawn]].
* BadassNormal: Though the lower grunts of the Legion are poorly-armed and rarely given formal training other than "Hit this until it's dead", NCR soldiers note how ferocious they are in battle, and how even small squads of Legionaries can wipe out much larger companies of NCR troopers in melee combat.

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* BadassArmy: Every Legionary, from the Legate on down, is either an experienced combatant or dead. The rank-and-file might not be terribly creative or well-armed, but even Colonel Moore admits they are in fantastic shape and fanatically loyal, charging machine gun nests with little more than a sharp stick if their commander orders it. [[spoiler:Caesar is an exception; he relies on his brains to get around his lack of brawn]].
brawn.]]
* BadassNormal: Though the lower grunts of the Legion are poorly-armed poorly armed and rarely given formal training other than "Hit this until it's dead", dead," NCR soldiers note how ferocious they are in battle, battle and how even small squads of Legionaries can wipe out much larger companies of NCR troopers in melee combat.



* BasedOnAGreatBigLie: According to the New Vegas game guide, Caesar claims to be the son of Mars and though most new slaves are doubtful their children are indoctrinated to believe it.

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* BasedOnAGreatBigLie: According to the New Vegas ''New Vegas'' game guide, Caesar claims to be the son of Mars Mars, and though most new slaves are doubtful doubtful, their children are indoctrinated to believe it.



* BewareTheSillyOnes: Let's face it, they look ''ridiculous'' in those outfits. But they're cunning, sadistic, numerous and an enormous threat in the Mojave and far beyond.
* BreadAndCircuses: The Legion rules over what they consider "civilized people" this way. Settlements that willingly accept Caesar as their supreme ruler, pay tribute to the Legion, and obey its men's requests and orders unquestionably are given the Legion's protection and modest supply of water, food, and electricity in exchange. Raul notices that they have turned Arizona, which used to be quite a hell-hole, into a somewhat stable and peaceful area this way. However, if the Legion writes off a group as an "uncivilized" tribe, they receive no such offer and are brutally crushed and forcibly subjugated.
* ChildSoldiers: Listen to Ranger Andy's story and he'll tell you that the Legion have no issues with using child soldiers for suicide attacks against the NCR, knowing that the NCR soldiers will hesitate before they start shooting. When visiting the Fort, you can also see some young children training to be full Legionaries. Those children have an even worse implication: even in the NCR, many soldiers joined the active military at 16. Those aforementioned Legion ''children'' are expecting to be allowed to fight soon. Therefore it's likely the Legionaries become active soldiers very young. There is even a story about Lanius in which he (conflicting his usual story) became a soldier at ''age 12'' [[note]]this is actually supported somewhat by the two kids seen running up and down the hill lead up to the camp at Fortification Hill, both of whom are tagged as "Legion Recruits" and can't be much older than 10 or 11.[[/note]]. While that seems to be the exception, there is also Chief Hanlon, who tells us that anyone who survives 10 years as a soldier in Caesar's Legion is exceptional and can be considered a veteran, since most of them die long before that. Think about that for a moment, and then about [[TeensAreMonsters how old most of those Legionaries you are fighting probably are]].

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* BewareTheSillyOnes: Let's face it, they look ''ridiculous'' in those outfits. But they're cunning, sadistic, numerous numerous, and an enormous threat in the Mojave and far beyond.
* BreadAndCircuses: The Legion rules over what they consider "civilized people" this way. Settlements that willingly accept Caesar as their supreme ruler, pay tribute to the Legion, and obey its men's requests and orders unquestionably are given the Legion's protection and modest supply of water, food, and electricity in exchange. Raul notices that they have turned Arizona, which used to be quite a hell-hole, hellhole, into a somewhat stable and peaceful area this way. However, if the Legion writes off a group as an "uncivilized" tribe, they receive no such offer and are brutally crushed and forcibly subjugated.
* ChildSoldiers: Listen to Ranger Andy's story story, and he'll tell you that the Legion have has no issues with using child soldiers for suicide attacks against the NCR, knowing that the NCR soldiers will hesitate before they start shooting. When visiting the Fort, you can also see some young children training to be full Legionaries. Those children have an even worse implication: even in the NCR, many soldiers joined the active military at 16. Those aforementioned Legion ''children'' are expecting to be allowed to fight soon. Therefore Therefore, it's likely the Legionaries become active soldiers very young. There is even a story about Lanius in which he (conflicting his usual story) became a soldier at ''age 12'' [[note]]this 12''.[[note]]This is actually supported somewhat by the two kids seen running up and down the hill lead leading up to the camp at Fortification Hill, both of whom are tagged as "Legion Recruits" and can't be much older than 10 or 11.[[/note]]. [[/note]] While that seems to be the exception, there is also Chief Hanlon, who tells us that anyone who survives 10 years as a soldier in Caesar's Legion is exceptional and can be considered a veteran, since most of them die long before that. Think about that for a moment, and then about [[TeensAreMonsters how old most of those Legionaries you are fighting probably are]].



* DemocracyIsBad: The Legion is at war with the NCR because Caesar is ideologically opposed to their democratic form of government. He considers democracy an extension of the corruption that existed during the Old World, ultimately doomed to fail, and believes that NCR's rampant inefficiency is a sign that this form of government cannot be sustained. Ironically, what made Pax Romana-era Rome stand out in relation to its contemporaries, was that leadership was held by multiple parties, though it wasn't really a modern democracy. Ruling as Caesar does would have gotten an ''actual'' Roman leader assassinated for being an aspiring king, even during the early centuries of the Empire.

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* DemocracyIsBad: The Legion is at war with the NCR because Caesar is ideologically opposed to their democratic form of government. He considers democracy an extension of the corruption that existed during the Old World, ultimately doomed to fail, and believes that NCR's rampant inefficiency is a sign that this form of government cannot be sustained. Ironically, what made Pax Romana-era Romana–era Rome stand out in relation to its contemporaries, contemporaries was that leadership was held by multiple parties, though it wasn't really a modern democracy. Ruling as Caesar does would have gotten an ''actual'' Roman leader assassinated for being an aspiring king, even during the early centuries of the Empire.



* DirtyCoward: While they boast about their loyalty and bravado, there are hints that some Legionaries may simply be ignorant rather than courageous. The terrifying presence perk usually only unnerves average [=NPCs=], but the Legion assassins Karl sends after you? They run in terror. While less likely to flee combat than their NCR counterparts, Legionaries will still run away (which they themselves claim never happens), or even ''put their hands over their heads and cower in fear'' and Lanius himself will run to heal if he gets too low on health. Many Legionaries may not be used to outright defiance.

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* DirtyCoward: While they boast about their loyalty and bravado, there are hints that some Legionaries may simply be ignorant rather than courageous. The terrifying presence Terrifying Presence perk usually only unnerves average [=NPCs=], but the Legion assassins Karl sends after you? They run in terror. While less likely to flee combat than their NCR counterparts, Legionaries will still run away (which they themselves claim never happens), happens) or even ''put their hands over their heads and cower in fear'' fear'', and Lanius himself will run to heal if he gets too low on health. Many Legionaries may not be used to outright defiance.



* TheEmpire: The Legion has been at war ever since it was founded and either assimilated or crushed every single community that they encountered. The NCR, Mr. House, and the Brotherhood are the first real opposition that they've ever seen. The Legion domestic policies include killing the sick, the weak and the elderly since they are not worthy of being alive, and wiping out the cultural identity of everyone under their rule.
* EvilCounterpartRace: Caesar has deliberately cultivated the Legion to be this trope to NCR, through the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic Hegelian dialectic ideas]] of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. The NCR is the thesis, and its inherent corruption and inefficiencies have led to the rise of the Legion, its antithesis. The war between the two factions will create synthesis, a stronger whole forged from the two opposing original concepts.

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* TheEmpire: The Legion has been at war ever since it was founded and either assimilated or crushed every single community that they encountered. The NCR, Mr. House, and the Brotherhood are the first real opposition that they've ever seen. The Legion Legion's domestic policies include killing the sick, the weak and the elderly since they are not worthy of being alive, and wiping out the cultural identity of everyone under their rule.
* EvilCounterpartRace: Caesar has deliberately cultivated the Legion to be this trope to NCR, through the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic Hegelian dialectic ideas]] of thesis-antithesis-synthesis.thesis–antithesis–synthesis. The NCR is the thesis, and its inherent corruption and inefficiencies have led to the rise of the Legion, its antithesis. The war between the two factions will create synthesis, a stronger whole forged from the two opposing original concepts.



* EvilerThanThou: All the main factions in the game are pretty crooked, but the Legion surpass them all with the possible exceptions of the Fiends and Omertas. On top of brutal slavery, legalizing rape and killing slaves in the arena for fun, their leader is a psychopathic manchild who slaughters whole cities over a grudge and kills people for accidentally insulting his ego.
* EvilPowerVacuum: House speculates that this will be the fate of the Legion once Caesar is out of the picture. With no strong charismatic figure to unite under, the Legion will fall to infighting and destroy itself within a year. Unfortunately, this also means that the territories of the Legion will fall back into anarchy. [[spoiler: Sadly {{subverted}} should the Courier take it upon himself to put one in Caesar's head early on: his subordinates pick up the reigns rather seamlessly]].

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* EvilerThanThou: All the main factions in the game are pretty crooked, but the Legion surpass them all with the possible exceptions of the Fiends and Omertas. On top of brutal slavery, legalizing rape rape, and killing slaves in the arena for fun, their leader is a psychopathic manchild man-child who slaughters whole cities over a grudge and kills people for accidentally insulting his ego.
* EvilPowerVacuum: House speculates that this will be the fate of the Legion once Caesar is out of the picture. With no strong charismatic figure to unite under, the Legion will fall to infighting and destroy itself within a year. Unfortunately, this also means that the territories of the Legion will fall back into anarchy. [[spoiler: Sadly {{subverted}} [[spoiler:Sadly {{subverted|Trope}} should the Courier take it upon himself himself/herself to put one in Caesar's head early on: his subordinates pick up the reigns reins rather seamlessly]].seamlessly.]]



* FantasticRacism: They dislike Ghouls and Super Mutants, though not to the extent of the Enclave or Brotherhood of Steel. According to J.E Sawyer, towns in Legion territory have a relatively decent standard of living, but the Legion either wipes out or enslaves tribes and crushes their unique characteristics either way. Sawyer also states that the main reason that Super Mutants and Ghouls are not part of the Legion is that the mutant population in Arizona is too small to make a difference and ghouls, being centuries old, are too jaded to buy into Caesar's propaganda.

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* FantasticRacism: They dislike Ghouls and Super Mutants, though not to the extent of the Enclave or Brotherhood of Steel. According to J.E E. Sawyer, towns in Legion territory have a relatively decent standard of living, but the Legion either wipes out or enslaves tribes and crushes their unique characteristics either way. Sawyer also states that the main reason that Super Mutants and Ghouls are not part of the Legion is that the mutant population in Arizona is too small to make a difference and ghouls, being centuries old, are too jaded to buy into Caesar's propaganda.



* FascistButInefficient: Played with. It's noted by various characters, including the Courier in the ending that an economy sustained primarily through pillaging will not last long, especially when trying to invade a trade-based society like the NCR and that once Caesar dies or if there are a lack of enemies to fight, the Legion will likely turn to infighting. But on the other hand, Caesar's intent is to take New Vegas and turn the Legion from a nomadic horde into a self-sustaining settled empire. It is also much better than the NCR at keeping peace in its territories.

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* FascistButInefficient: Played with. It's noted by various characters, including the Courier in the ending ending, that an economy sustained primarily through pillaging will not last long, especially when trying to invade a trade-based society like the NCR and that once Caesar dies or if there are a lack of enemies to fight, the Legion will likely turn to infighting. But on the other hand, Caesar's intent is to take New Vegas and turn the Legion from a nomadic horde into a self-sustaining settled empire. It is also much better than the NCR at keeping peace in its territories.



* FutureImperfect: Less than you'd expect, since Caesar [[ShowingTheirWork did his homework]] and knows quite a bit about the Roman Republic, Empire, and Julius Caesar. The parts that are Roman are reasonably accurate and even the language is emulated correctly. Still, as pointed out by Arcade, it's not Rome, just an army that's using it as a theme. The Legion deliberately doctors history to suit their own needs, such as teaching that Caesar is the son of Mars and that the Great War didn't happen, the apocalypse instead being a punishment from Mars for the Old World's ways.

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* FutureImperfect: Less than you'd expect, since Caesar [[ShowingTheirWork did his homework]] and knows quite a bit about the Roman Republic, Empire, and Julius Caesar. The parts that are Roman are reasonably accurate accurate, and even the language is emulated correctly. Still, as pointed out by Arcade, it's not Rome, just an army that's using it as a theme. The Legion deliberately doctors history to suit their own needs, such as teaching that Caesar is the son of Mars and that the Great War didn't happen, the apocalypse instead being a punishment from Mars for the Old World's ways.



* HappinessInSlavery: Despite being a large slave army, the individual Legionaries seem quite content at their station. For example Lucius, Dead Sea, and Antony cheerfully talk about how their tribes were massacred, and how happy they are to be a part of the Legion. Even the two children in The Fort speak hopefully about the day they will become full legionaries. However, this is because Legionaries, despite Caesar's views on the subject, consider themselves to be a military organization, and not slaves. They view belonging to Caesar as more of a military creed than law. For example, Vulpes, Gabban, and Ulysseus call them either "Men or the Legion," or "my brothers". Furthermore throughout the Fort, any time a Legion member discusses the slaves they clearly refer to them as a separate class. "The Slaves have been spreading stores about the Burned Man again." "Have you seen the new slaves, some of them are quite beautiful." Regardless of their status, they are clearly treated better than the slaves they capture. Some high ranking Legion members have slaves of their own. In addition, Legionaries are frequently found with Legion coin on them, meaning they are paid in some way. The Legion also rewards its members for special feats; like Dead Sea and the Liberator. This trope is ''very'' averted for those captured; the Legion subjects them to chattel slavery, and deprives them of all rights. Canyon Runner, disturbingly, talks about how they are no longer human, and should be proud of their status.
* TheHorde: Their entire purpose is to conquer and enslave everyone else. Even Caesar admits that they are more like the barbarians of Gaul than the legions of Rome.[[note]]And even that isn't entirely accurate: the tribes of Gaul shared a culture and at least the same basic language, but had as many smaller differences as, say, Native American tribes did. Not to mention that raping, pillaging and plunder was the expected standard for any ancient army in Europe, Rome included. Though there are no records of the Gauls utterly enslaving everyone when they took a city (which wasn't a frequent thing)--they usually preferred to just take what wasn't nailed down, or a tribute/bribe, and then leave to wherever they intended on settling. It's one of the many reasons they never became a more centralized society to create kingdoms or empires of their own.[[/note]]

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* HappinessInSlavery: Despite being a large slave army, the individual Legionaries seem quite content at their station. For example example: Lucius, Dead Sea, and Antony cheerfully talk about how their tribes were massacred, and how happy they are to be a part of the Legion. Even the two children in The Fort speak hopefully about the day they will become full legionaries. However, this is because Legionaries, despite Caesar's views on the subject, consider themselves to be a military organization, organization and not slaves. They view belonging to Caesar as more of a military creed than law. For example, Vulpes, Gabban, and Ulysseus Ulysses call them either "Men or the Legion," or "my brothers". Furthermore Furthermore, throughout the Fort, any time a Legion member discusses the slaves they clearly refer to them as a separate class. "The Slaves have been spreading stores stories about the Burned Man again." "Have you seen the new slaves, some slaves? Some of them are quite beautiful." Regardless of their status, they are clearly treated better than the slaves they capture. Some high ranking high-ranking Legion members have slaves of their own. In addition, Legionaries are frequently found with Legion coin on them, meaning they are paid in some way. The Legion also rewards its members for special feats; feats, like Dead Sea and the Liberator. This trope is ''very'' averted for those captured; the Legion subjects them to chattel slavery, slavery and deprives them of all rights. Canyon Runner, disturbingly, talks about how they are no longer human, human and should be proud of their status.
* TheHorde: Their entire purpose is to conquer and enslave everyone else. Even Caesar admits that they are more like the barbarians of Gaul than the legions of Rome.[[note]]And even that isn't entirely accurate: the tribes of Gaul shared a culture and at least the same basic language, but had as many smaller differences as, say, Native American tribes did. Not to mention that raping, pillaging pillaging, and plunder was the expected standard for any ancient army in Europe, Rome included. Though there are no records of the Gauls utterly enslaving everyone when they took a city (which wasn't a frequent thing)--they thing), they usually preferred to just take what wasn't nailed down, or a tribute/bribe, and then leave to wherever they intended on settling. It's one of the many reasons they never became a more centralized society to create kingdoms or empires of their own.[[/note]]



** Caesar teaches that the weak are unworthy of living and deserve to perish, and has outlawed all chems and technology including stimpacks because they contribute to making humanity weak and frail for relying on them. The second you get into his tent you'll see his bodyguards are armed with advanced power fists, he has an Auto Doc in his bedroom, and oh yes, [[spoiler:he has a fatal brain tumor and sees no problem in using modern medicine to save his own skin]].
** Apparently the Legion are very big on AsskickingEqualsAuthority and general social Darwinism. They butcher and enslave Nipton primarily because they could, and justify it by arguing that they deserved it because they couldn't resist. If you kill Vulpes and by extension all his goons, the Legion will send assassins after you to avenge his death. Guess the whole "survival of the strongest" thing only applies when it's convenient to them.
** The Legion is supposedly anti-drug, but legionaries occasionally carry Hydra, which is an addictive chem. It's also implied that they manufacture Hydra themselves, because the only renewable sources of cave fungus (an ingredient for Hydra) are legionaries and picking it from the caves in Zion (which is in Utah, a state whose territory is mostly controlled by the Legion). Most likely Hydra is considered exempt from "no chem" rules because [[AllNaturalSnakeOil they're considered "tribal medicine"]], but this is a rather meaningless distinction. In fact, the two main healing medicines used by the Legion are healing powder and bitter drink, which you craft from the ''exact same'' active ingredients as stimpaks (broc flower and xander root) just minus the syringe. ''And'' while Healing Powder isn't addictive, it temporary reduces your Perception because it tampers your sight, similar to numerous drugs.
** This even extends to ex-members, such as Joshua Graham and Ulysses. Joshua claims he doesn't enjoy killing, but his actions when fighting the White Legs speaks for itself. Ulysses (among other things) hates The Courier for [[spoiler: accidentally destroying his new home, The Divide. But he intentionally trained the White Legs to destroy New Canaan, Joshua's home on Caesar's behalf]].
** The Legion considers NCR's victory in the First Battle of Hoover Dam dishonorable, as they did not fight the Legion head on but instead retreated to draw the Legion's main force into an area heavily trapped with explosives. At the same time, the Legion employs equally underhanded tactics, such as hiding proximity mines under corpses of NCR soldiers and killing everyone in Searchlight with a suicide mission (which their operatives did not know would be suicide) to unleash radioactive waste on the town.
** They sneer at NCR's citizens as weak and cowardly. Despite this the rank and file Legion members you fight will turn and flee at low health like any other enemies, and many named members you can engage in conversation can be cowed with the Terrifying Presence perk.

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** Caesar teaches that the weak are unworthy of living and deserve to perish, and has outlawed all chems and technology including stimpacks because they contribute to making humanity weak and frail for relying on them. The second you get into his tent tent, you'll see his bodyguards are armed with advanced power fists, he has an Auto Doc in his bedroom, and oh yes, [[spoiler:he has a fatal brain tumor and sees no problem in using modern medicine to save his own skin]].
** Apparently Apparently, the Legion are very big on AsskickingEqualsAuthority and general social Darwinism. They butcher and enslave Nipton primarily because they could, and justify it by arguing that they deserved it because they couldn't resist. If you kill Vulpes and by extension all his goons, the Legion will send assassins after you to avenge his death. Guess the whole "survival of the strongest" thing only applies when it's convenient to them.
** The Legion is supposedly anti-drug, but legionaries occasionally carry Hydra, which is an addictive chem. It's also implied that they manufacture Hydra themselves, because the only renewable sources of cave fungus (an ingredient for Hydra) are legionaries and picking it from the caves in Zion (which is in Utah, a state whose territory is mostly controlled by the Legion). Most likely likely, Hydra is considered exempt from "no chem" rules because [[AllNaturalSnakeOil they're considered "tribal medicine"]], but this is a rather meaningless distinction. In fact, the two main healing medicines used by the Legion are healing powder and bitter drink, which you craft from the ''exact same'' active ingredients as stimpaks (broc flower and xander root) root), just minus the syringe. ''And'' while Healing Powder isn't addictive, it temporary reduces your Perception because it tampers your sight, similar to numerous drugs.
** This even extends to ex-members, such as Joshua Graham and Ulysses. Joshua claims he doesn't enjoy killing, but his actions when fighting the White Legs speaks for itself. Ulysses (among other things) hates The Courier for [[spoiler: accidentally [[spoiler:accidentally destroying his new home, The Divide. But he intentionally trained the White Legs to destroy New Canaan, Joshua's home home, on Caesar's behalf]].
** The Legion considers NCR's victory in the First Battle of Hoover Dam dishonorable, as they did not fight the Legion head on head-on but instead retreated to draw the Legion's main force into an area heavily trapped with explosives. At the same time, the Legion employs equally underhanded tactics, such as hiding proximity mines under corpses of NCR soldiers and killing everyone in Searchlight with a suicide mission (which their operatives did not know would be suicide) to unleash radioactive waste on the town.
** They sneer at NCR's citizens as weak and cowardly. Despite this this, the rank and file rank-and-file Legion members you fight will turn and flee at low health like any other enemies, and many named members you can engage in conversation can be cowed with the Terrifying Presence perk.



* KickTheDog: Pretty much their entire lifestyle. When they're not massacring entire communities and committing grisly atrocities they entertain themselves by raping women, giggling about how much they like raping women, molesting children, watching slaves getting slaughtered in the arena, eating human flesh, committing human sacrifice, telling passers-by they deserve to by crucified, stealing teddy bears and gushing about how much they're looking forward to murdering their enemies.

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* KickTheDog: Pretty much their entire lifestyle. When they're not massacring entire communities and committing grisly atrocities atrocities, they entertain themselves by raping women, giggling about how much they like raping women, molesting children, watching slaves getting slaughtered in the arena, eating human flesh, committing human sacrifice, telling passers-by they deserve to by crucified, stealing teddy bears bears, and gushing about how much they're looking forward to murdering their enemies.



** Aside from loyalty to Caesar most Legionaries lack any form of compassion to other people. They torture NCR soldiers for fun, regularly rape female slaves and even their generic dialogue has them smugly deride the inexperience of their fellow soldiers who died in Nelson and drooling over raping slaves. Some like Silus even go out of their way to make sure collars keep slaves in perpetual pain.

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** Aside from loyalty to Caesar Caesar, most Legionaries lack any form of compassion to other people. They torture NCR soldiers for fun, regularly rape female slaves slaves, and even their generic dialogue has them smugly deride the inexperience of their fellow soldiers who died in Nelson and drooling over raping slaves. Some like Silus even go out of their way to make sure collars keep slaves in perpetual pain.



* LegionOfDoom: No pun intended. Caesar has constructed an alliance to destroy NCR that includes previous Fallout villains such as the Khans and Van Graffs, as well as the White Legs, Omertas and Fiends. The player can also recruit the White Gloves, Boomers and even the Enclave.

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* LegionOfDoom: No pun intended. Caesar has constructed an alliance to destroy NCR that includes previous Fallout ''Fallout'' villains such as the Khans and Van Graffs, as well as the White Legs, Omertas Omertas, and Fiends. The player can also recruit the White Gloves, Boomers Boomers, and even the Enclave.



** Caesar's manifesto is remarkably similar to The Master and his Unity, only with Legionaries instead of Super Mutants. You can even talk to Super Mutant Marcus about Caesar, and while he doesn't make a direct comparison you definitely get the vibe that he's seen it all before and knows it just isn't going to work.
** Despite his contempt for Pre-War America, Caesar's flaws are worryingly similar to those of the Enclave. The glimpses we get of Legion's atrocities are remarkably similar to the iconic image of a soldier in Power Armor executing a captured and bound Canadian in the introduction to the original ''VideoGame/{{Fallout|1}}''. The invasion of Canada and the sacking of New Canaan are also similar - both were innocent settlements that happened to have something their aggressors wanted, and so were brutally crushed. For all Caesar's attempts to make the Legion appear alien, their obsessive nationalism and intensely racist ideology are also more than a little familiar.
** Although they despise the NCR for its love of money to the detriment of its people, the Legion's forces focus on protecting traders and caravans, many of whom profit directly of the Legion's war effort - while slaves and women are routinely abused and raped by Legion soldiers. Much like the NCR, they're aggressively imperialistic. It took NCR over a hundred years to reach its current size while the Legion equalled it in less than a lifetime. And while they belittle the NCR for trying to recreate pre-war America, the Legion is repeating many of the Old World's mistakes, such as the use of nuclear weapons at Searchlight and their brutality towards prisoners.
* NoSympathyBetweenMooks: If you thought their hatred of everyone else was bad enough, the Legionaries even sneer at the death of the Nelson Garrison if you opt to help the NCR in "Restoring Hope", mocking their inexperience. You can also find several crucified legionaries around the Fort who were punished for failure. None of the legionaries walking around seem to mind.

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** Caesar's manifesto is remarkably similar to The Master and his Unity, only with Legionaries instead of Super Mutants. You can even talk to Super Mutant Marcus about Caesar, and while he doesn't make a direct comparison comparison, you definitely get the vibe that he's seen it all before and knows it just isn't going to work.
** Despite his contempt for Pre-War America, Caesar's flaws are worryingly similar to those of the Enclave. The glimpses we get of Legion's atrocities are remarkably similar to the iconic image of a soldier in Power Armor executing a captured and bound Canadian in the introduction to the original ''VideoGame/{{Fallout|1}}''. The invasion of Canada and the sacking of New Canaan are also similar - both were innocent settlements that happened to have something their aggressors wanted, and so were brutally crushed. For all Caesar's attempts to make the Legion appear alien, their obsessive nationalism and intensely racist ideology are also more than a little familiar.
** Although they despise the NCR for its love of money to the detriment of its people, the Legion's forces focus on protecting traders and caravans, many of whom profit directly of the Legion's war effort - while slaves and women are routinely abused and raped by Legion soldiers. Much like the NCR, they're aggressively imperialistic. It took the NCR over a hundred years to reach its current size size, while the Legion equalled equaled it in less than a lifetime. And while they belittle the NCR for trying to recreate pre-war America, the Legion is repeating many of the Old World's mistakes, such as the use of nuclear weapons at Searchlight and their brutality towards prisoners.
* NoSympathyBetweenMooks: If you thought their hatred of everyone else was bad enough, the Legionaries even sneer at the death of the Nelson Garrison if you opt to help the NCR in "Restoring Hope", Hope," mocking their inexperience. You can also find several crucified legionaries around the Fort who were punished for failure. None of the legionaries walking around seem to mind.



** [[http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/252998024811254129 Sawyer stated he wanted this to be justified by Caesar as women are the only ones capable of giving birth and he wants them to create as many soldiers as possible]] (which makes sense considering the Legion's a constantly-fighting entity). This was not properly communicated during development, but it basically doesn't matter: that just means their grand plan is to value women strictly for their biology, which is still ''immensely'' sexist. Caesar, however, puts a good deal of importance to Legion women in his statements, as they are what "keeps the Legion going."

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** [[http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/252998024811254129 Sawyer stated he wanted this to be justified by Caesar as women are the only ones capable of giving birth and he wants them to create as many soldiers as possible]] (which makes sense sense, considering the Legion's a constantly-fighting constantly fighting entity). This was not properly communicated during development, but it basically doesn't matter: that just means their grand plan is to value women strictly for their biology, which is still ''immensely'' sexist. Caesar, however, puts a good deal of importance to Legion women in his statements, as they are what "keeps the Legion going."



* OddNameOut: While most of them have Roman names, a few, like Dead Sea and Canyon Runner, don't. No explanation is given for this, considering The Legion's policy towards thorough cultural genocide.

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* OddNameOut: While most of them have Roman names, a few, like Dead Sea and Canyon Runner, don't. No explanation is given for this, considering The the Legion's policy towards thorough cultural genocide.



** Also, despite some rumors floating around the Mojave, mostly between NCR citizens, they are ''very'' homophobic, punishing homosexuality with death, if what Jimmy says is true. Rather ironic, when you consider the society Caesar's Legion is emulating.
** The real kicker is their attitude towards rape. Siri, who's been around the empire, makes it clear that the rape of female slaves is extremely common. They even boast about it in the audio logs left in Camp Charlie, the default dialogue of Legion soldiers has them lusting after slave girls and even Canyon Runner is very open about selling Sammy Weathers for sex.

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** Also, despite some rumors floating around the Mojave, mostly Mojave (mostly between NCR citizens, citizens), they are ''very'' homophobic, punishing homosexuality with death, if what Jimmy says is true. Rather ironic, ironic when you consider the society Caesar's Legion is emulating.
** The real kicker is their attitude towards rape. Siri, who's been around the empire, makes it clear that the rape of female slaves is extremely common. They even boast about it in the audio logs left in Camp Charlie, the default dialogue of Legion soldiers has them lusting after slave girls girls, and even Canyon Runner is very open about selling Sammy Weathers for sex.



* RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Rape is both legal and encouraged in Legion territory. More soldiers are always necessary and the woman's consent is a non-issue. Siri says it's common for adult women, and not even children and old women are safe. Canyon Runner openly sells Sammy Weathers for "breeding", the New Vegas Game guide mentions Caesar and his Legates assign women to particular officers and JE Sawyer confirmed all enslaved women in Legion territory are used for sex.
* RapePillageAndBurn: Their standard operational procedure after taking control of an area. When you confront Legate Lanius and have a maxed-out barter skill, you can point out that this is not a sustainable method for the Legion to operate under.

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* RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil: Rape is both legal and encouraged in Legion territory. More soldiers are always necessary necessary, and the woman's consent is a non-issue. Siri says it's common for adult women, and not even children and old women are safe. Canyon Runner openly sells Sammy Weathers for "breeding", "breeding," the New Vegas ''New Vegas'' Game guide mentions Caesar and his Legates assign women to particular officers officers, and JE Sawyer confirmed all enslaved women in Legion territory are used for sex.
* RapePillageAndBurn: Their standard operational operating procedure after taking control of an area. When you confront Legate Lanius and have a maxed-out barter skill, you can point out that this is not a sustainable method for the Legion to operate under.



* ReligionOfEvil: Among the Legion Caesar is worshipped as the son of Mars himself, with human sacrifice performed in his name.

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* ReligionOfEvil: Among the Legion Legion, Caesar is worshipped as the son of Mars himself, with human sacrifice performed in his name.



* ScienceIsBad: Caesar believes that mankind's dependence on technology is what caused the Great War. He also thinks that it makes people weak and lazy over time. Therefore technology such as medicine beyond that of tribal remedies and war machines that allow for fighting without risking men (for example, robots) are banned. Energy Weapons are fair game because they're just guns. [[spoiler:Caesar keeping an Auto-Doc and possibly Arcade for his tumor and using a Howitzer for the final battle, however, is just fine...]]

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* ScienceIsBad: Caesar believes that mankind's dependence on technology is what caused the Great War. He also thinks that it makes people weak and lazy over time. Therefore Therefore, technology such as medicine beyond that of tribal remedies and war machines that allow for fighting without risking men (for example, robots) are banned. Energy Weapons are fair game game, because they're just guns. [[spoiler:Caesar keeping an Auto-Doc and possibly Arcade for his tumor and using a Howitzer howitzer for the final battle, however, is just fine...]]



* TheSpartanWay: The Legion have no problem with using child soldiers against their enemies.
* TheSpymaster: Just like the NCR, the Legion have [[strike: a magic]] an extensive network of spies and will know about it if you work against their interest. [[spoiler:They even manage to infiltrate NCR's military command in the area and the Omertas on the Vegas Strip.]]
* StraightEdgeEvil: They despise the use of chems, drugs, medicine and alcohol, and vehemently punish Raiders for thievery. Also they rarely, if ever, use profanity. Hilariously, Caesar himself is the exception; he'll [[SophisticatedAsHell drop F-Bombs]] if he loses his temper.
* TokenGoodTeammate: Averted. While even groups like the Enclave and Powder Gangers have a few decent members, all the Legion appears to partake in some extreme KickTheDog moments, and even their soldiers' generic dialogue identifies most as sadists and rapists. Interestingly, the only members with any real redeeming qualities are the leaders ([[WellIntentionedExtremist Caesar]], [[AffablyEvil Lanius]] and [[NobleDemon Lucius]]).
* UndyingLoyalty: All Legionaries are fanatically loyal to Caesar, though it's noted that they follow him rather than his ideals. However, this has its limits. Silus, the Centurion in Camp [=McCarran=] is able to see Caesar's megalomania and illness; he resents that a healthy soldier like himself ''has'' to die in defeat while Caesar lives. Similarly, Ulysses has long forsaken the Legion, though he still sees them as his brothers-in-arms, and some of his dialog suggests that he has always secretly resented Vulpes for destroying his tribe.

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* TheSpartanWay: The Legion have has no problem with using child soldiers against their enemies.
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* TheSpymaster: Just like the NCR, the Legion have [[strike: a [[strike:a magic]] an extensive network of spies and will know about it if you work against their interest. [[spoiler:They even manage to infiltrate NCR's military command in the area and the Omertas on the Vegas Strip.]]
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* StraightEdgeEvil: They despise the use of chems, drugs, medicine medicine, and alcohol, and vehemently punish Raiders for thievery. Also they rarely, if ever, use profanity. Hilariously, Caesar himself is the exception; he'll [[SophisticatedAsHell drop F-Bombs]] if he loses his temper.
* TokenGoodTeammate: Averted. While even groups like the Enclave and Powder Gangers have a few decent members, all the Legion appears to partake in some extreme KickTheDog moments, and even their soldiers' generic dialogue identifies most as sadists and rapists. Interestingly, the only members with any real redeeming qualities are the leaders ([[WellIntentionedExtremist Caesar]], [[AffablyEvil Lanius]] Lanius]], and [[NobleDemon Lucius]]).
* UndyingLoyalty: All Legionaries are fanatically loyal to Caesar, though it's noted that they follow him rather than his ideals. However, this has its limits. Silus, the Centurion in Camp [=McCarran=] [=McCarran=], is able to see Caesar's megalomania and illness; he resents that a healthy soldier like himself ''has'' to die in defeat while Caesar lives. Similarly, Ulysses has long forsaken the Legion, though he still sees them as his brothers-in-arms, and some of his dialog suggests that he has always secretly resented Vulpes for destroying his tribe.



* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Caesar [[WordOfGod (and the developers)]] outright admit that the Legion at present really ''is'' a roving band of murdering, raping sadists. His justification comes in the form that so was ancient Rome, but it eventually found a city to settle (in this analogy, Vegas and the cities of the west coast) and grew into a marvel of civilization. Whether he is right to persist or wrong is up to the players to decide.

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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Caesar [[WordOfGod (and ([[WordOfGod and the developers)]] developers]]) outright admit that the Legion at present really ''is'' a roving band of murdering, raping sadists. His justification comes in the form that so was ancient Rome, but it eventually found a city to settle (in this analogy, Vegas and the cities of the west coast) West Coast) and grew into a marvel of civilization. Whether he is right to persist or wrong is up to the players to decide.



--> '''Mr. House:''' By my calculations, his death will affect the shape of the Battle for Hoover Dam minimally, if at all. The Legion's aggression will outlive Caesar. Indeed, they'll try to take the Dam as a tribute to his memory. Given a year, they'd have him deified - but by then, the Legion would be breaking down, riven with internal conflicts, a monster consuming itself. It's irrelevant.

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--> '''Mr. House:''' By my calculations, his death will affect the shape of the Battle for Hoover Dam minimally, if at all. The Legion's aggression will outlive Caesar. Indeed, they'll try to take the Dam as a tribute to his memory. Given a year, they'd have him deified - but by then, the Legion would be breaking down, riven with internal conflicts, a monster consuming itself. It's irrelevant.



* WeHaveReserves: From the countless bloodthirsty legionaries trained through brutal training regiments. They almost never surrender and have commands to commit suicide upon defeat. Boyd talks about how difficult it is to get a Legionary to give himself up as a prisoner of war.

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* WeHaveReserves: From the countless bloodthirsty legionaries trained through brutal training regiments. regimens. They almost never surrender surrender, and have commands to commit suicide upon defeat. Boyd talks about how difficult it is to get a Legionary to give himself up as a prisoner of war.



* ZergRush: Even more so than the NCR. The Recruit Legionaries, the most common type of soldier, may be sent into battle wielding only machetes. There are anecdotes about them not even having ''that'' much and charging machine gun nests with sharp sticks, heavy rocks or bare fists.

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* ZergRush: Even more so than the NCR. The Recruit Legionaries, the most common type of soldier, may be sent into battle wielding only machetes. There are anecdotes about them not even having ''that'' much and charging machine gun nests with sharp sticks, heavy rocks rocks, or bare fists.



* ArchEnemy: To the Courier in the second half of the game if you choose to oppose him. He’s also the only faction leader you can build any long standing personal enmity with as House is dealt within minutes after you turn on him and you can’t meet Oliver and Lanius until the very end. Merciful players will have especially strong reasons to hate him as he blackmails you into killing Benny. The hatred is just as strong on Caesar’s side. He regards most of his enemies with either dismissive contempt (such as previously conquered tribes and House) or with grudging respect (Kimball and Hanlon). His VillainousBreakdown shows that along with Joshua Graham, the Courier is the only enemy he passionately hates, to the point where he wants you tortured for his amusement. And unlike other persistent foes such as Ulysses there is no way to reason with him. Even non Legion obstacles such as the Fiends, Omertas and White Legs are directly involved with him.

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* ArchEnemy: To the Courier in the second half of the game if you choose to oppose him. He’s also the only faction leader you can build any long standing personal enmity with as House is dealt within minutes after you turn on him and you can’t meet Oliver and Lanius until the very end. Merciful players will have especially strong reasons to hate him as he blackmails you into killing Benny. The hatred is just as strong on Caesar’s side. He regards most of his enemies with either dismissive contempt (such as previously conquered tribes and House) or with grudging respect (Kimball and Hanlon). His VillainousBreakdown shows that along with Joshua Graham, the Courier is the only enemy he passionately hates, to the point where he wants you tortured for his amusement. And unlike other persistent foes such as Ulysses there is no way to reason with him. Even non Legion non-Legion obstacles such as the Fiends, Omertas and White Legs are directly involved with him.



* BaitTheDog: Double Subverted. The Legion seem to be nothing more than well trained savages... at first. However, meeting Caesar reveals he's a very thoughtful and cerebral individual who sees the Legion as the means to create a stable society. ''Then'' it turns out as soon as anyone ticks him off he drops all pretension of noble intentions, will remorselessly murder children and torture you to death for his personal amusement.

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* BaitTheDog: Double Subverted. The Legion seem to be nothing more than well trained well-trained savages... at first. However, meeting Caesar reveals he's a very thoughtful and cerebral individual who sees the Legion as the means to create a stable society. ''Then'' it turns out as soon as anyone ticks him off he drops all pretension of noble intentions, will remorselessly murder children and torture you to death for his personal amusement.



* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: It's his M.O. to recruit disaffected local factions to [[LesCollaborateurs help him take over a region]], then exterminate or forcibly assimilate them once they're no longer useful. In his ending, the only Mojave allies he doesn't screw over are [[PragmaticVillainy the ones strong enough to seriously hurt the Legion]].

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* ChronicBackstabbingDisorder: It's his M.O. MO to recruit disaffected local factions to [[LesCollaborateurs help him take over a region]], then exterminate or forcibly assimilate them once they're no longer useful. In his ending, the only Mojave allies he doesn't screw over are [[PragmaticVillainy the ones strong enough to seriously hurt the Legion]].



* DefectorFromDecadence: One of Caesar's motivations, evidenced by all his talk of "profligates" and "degenerates". [[spoiler:Caesar was originally an NCR citizen and a member of the Followers Of Apocalypse. He left the two groups because he disagreed with them ideologically]].

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* DefectorFromDecadence: One of Caesar's motivations, evidenced by all his talk of "profligates" and "degenerates". [[spoiler:Caesar was originally an NCR citizen and a member of the Followers Of Apocalypse. He left the two groups because he disagreed with them ideologically]].ideologically.]]



** Also to Mr. House. Both are [[SelfMadeMan self-made]] autocrats who rose from nothing to build their success on their superior intellect and education compared to the primitives of the post-apocalyptic Mojave and are determined to [[{{Ubermensch}} remake the world according to their own morality and ideology]]. But whereas House is a technocrat and a more-or-less benevolent dictator, Caesar is a dedicated primitivist and an often sadistic totalitarian.
** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow on the other hand is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that the actual Caesar never did.

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** Also to Mr. House. Both are [[SelfMadeMan self-made]] autocrats who rose from nothing to build their success on their superior intellect and education compared to the primitives of the post-apocalyptic Mojave and are determined to [[{{Ubermensch}} remake the world according to their own morality and ideology]]. But whereas House is a technocrat and a more-or-less benevolent dictator, Caesar is a dedicated primitivist and an often sadistic often-sadistic totalitarian.
** Ironically, he's also one to the real historical UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar whose name he's appropriated. Caesar was both a greedy, brutal warlord in his own right and a cultured aristocrat with an ego issue. The difference: Julius was historically quite merciful by the standards of the time (even if it meant using slavery and mutilation where other Romans would have ordered complete extermination), incredibly brave unto the last, tolerant of criticism (which might have helped get him killed). killed), and led as much through love and respect as he did through fear while commanding one of the most technologically sophisticated forces of the era. He also valued diplomacy and tried to reconcile with his old enemies (something that got him killed, as this Caesar would know). Eddie Sallow Sallow, on the other hand hand, is an evil luddite, hypocrite, and OrcusOnHisThrone who rules by fear alone, uses his soldiers as cannonfodder cannon fodder in technologically unsophisticated human waves, and has zero concept of mercy or forgiveness. What handily sums it up is that Sallow subjects his men to Roman punishments that the actual Caesar never did.



* {{Expy}}: Has more than a few important similarities to Ashur from ''The Pitt'' [=DLC=] of ''Fallout 3'' -- a charismatic and powerful leader that has organized tribals and raiders into a superpower in the name of brutal but efficient and well-meant societal reformation, but they're more loyal to the leader than his visions and they'll fall apart without his leadership. The key differences are that the Legion is aggressively expanding its reach and values to other towns, and Ashur is aware of his flaws and plans to reform his men once they achieve their goals, while Caesar is an egomaniacal sadist.

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* {{Expy}}: Has more than a few important similarities to Ashur from ''The Pitt'' [=DLC=] DLC of ''Fallout 3'' -- a charismatic and powerful leader that has organized tribals and raiders into a superpower in the name of brutal but efficient and well-meant societal reformation, but they're more loyal to the leader than his visions and they'll fall apart without his leadership. The key differences are that the Legion is aggressively expanding its reach and values to other towns, and Ashur is aware of his flaws and plans to reform his men once they achieve their goals, while Caesar is an egomaniacal sadist.



* FreudianExcuse: His brutality as well as his disdain for and abuse of tribals may stem from the loss of his father to raiders at a young age. However, this is downplayed compared to previous [[BigBad Big Bads]]. The Master and Frank Horrigan went through extreme physical and mental trauma that turned them into monsters (the latter also suffered from indoctrination and mental illness throughout his childhood) while Autumn and Richardson were born into groups with very strict dogma. Caesar was raised by a loving mother and the most unambiguously good faction in the safest, most stable region of the Fallout universe yet he turned out even more cold blooded and sadistic than all the previous villains before him.

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* FreudianExcuse: His brutality as well as his disdain for and abuse of tribals may stem from the loss of his father to raiders at a young age. However, this is downplayed compared to previous [[BigBad Big Bads]].{{Big Bad}}s. The Master and Frank Horrigan went through extreme physical and mental trauma that turned them into monsters (the latter also suffered from indoctrination and mental illness throughout his childhood) while Autumn and Richardson were born into groups with very strict dogma. Caesar was raised by a loving mother and the most unambiguously good faction in the safest, most stable region of the Fallout universe yet he turned out even more cold blooded and sadistic than all the previous villains before him.



* GenghisGambit: His ultimate goal isn't to create a slaving, warmongering military state; his goal is to use that to forcibly assimilate the various tribes of the wasteland and give them a common culture, so that whenever the Legion inevitably collapses, the peoples left to rebuild will do it as one culture (as opposed to the NCR, which he thinks will also inevitably collapse, [[DividedWeFall only to leave behind a multitude of self interested, uncooperative states]]). Of course, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity he's already begun to slip from his seemingly noble goals into more megalomaniacal]] tendencies by the time the Courier meets him.

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* GenghisGambit: His ultimate goal isn't to create a slaving, warmongering military state; his goal is to use that to forcibly assimilate the various tribes of the wasteland and give them a common culture, so that whenever the Legion inevitably collapses, the peoples left to rebuild will do it as one culture (as opposed to the NCR, which he thinks will also inevitably collapse, [[DividedWeFall only to leave behind a multitude of self interested, self-interested, uncooperative states]]). Of course, [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity he's already begun to slip from his seemingly noble goals into more megalomaniacal]] tendencies by the time the Courier meets him.



** What's that, Caesar? ScienceIsBad? Advanced medicine shouldn't be be allowed because the weak don't deserve to live? Then why is it when we enter your tent the first thing we'll see is bodyguards armed with advanced Power Fists, and shortly after will likely see an Auto-Doc next to your bed? He also apparently has no problem with taking Rex, a cyberdog, in as his personal hound, or using a howitzer to suppress NCR's snipers.
** Ulysses straight up calls Caesar "History's Hypocrite" if you tell him that Caesar is dead. He then goes on to tell the Courier that if Caesar was too weak to defend himself from you, [[MightMakesRight then by his own logic]], [[TakeThat he was too weak to lead.]]

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** What's that, Caesar? ScienceIsBad? Advanced medicine shouldn't be be allowed because the weak don't deserve to live? Then why is it when we enter your tent the first thing we'll see is bodyguards armed with advanced Power Fists, and shortly after will likely see an Auto-Doc next to your bed? He also apparently has no problem with taking Rex, a cyberdog, in as his personal hound, or using a howitzer to suppress NCR's snipers.
** Ulysses straight up calls Caesar "History's Hypocrite" if you tell him that Caesar is dead. He then goes on to tell the Courier that if Caesar was too weak to defend himself from you, [[MightMakesRight then by his own logic]], [[TakeThat he was too weak to lead.]]lead]].



* ItIsPronouncedTroPAY: Caesar and his legion use the original Latin pronunciation of his name (kye-sar), while most of the rest of the Mojave Wasteland use the more commonly-known Anglicized pronunciation (see-zer).

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* ItIsPronouncedTroPAY: Caesar and his legion use the original Latin pronunciation of his name (kye-sar), while most of the rest of the Mojave Wasteland use the more commonly-known commonly known Anglicized pronunciation (see-zer).



* JerkWithAHeartOfJerk / JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Depending on how one views the Legion. It's up to the Courier to decide whether Caesar is a HateSink or a WellIntentionedExtremist.

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* JerkWithAHeartOfJerk / JerkWithAHeartOfGold: JerkWithAHeartOfJerk[=/=]JerkWithAHeartOfGold: Depending on how one views the Legion. It's up to the Courier to decide whether Caesar is a HateSink or a WellIntentionedExtremist.



* KarmaHoudini: [[DownerEnding If the Legion wins]][[spoiler:, but only if his tumor isn't dealt with, leaving Lanius in charge.]]

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* KarmaHoudini: [[DownerEnding If the Legion wins]][[spoiler:, but wins]], [[spoiler:but only if his tumor isn't dealt with, leaving Lanius in charge.]]charge]].



* KickTheSonOfABitch: Depending on how the player views Benny. Some see Caesar ordering his death to be cruel, merciless, and an evil thing to do; others see it as a fitting end to a huge {{Jerkass}} that got the Courier in this situation to begin with. This is further emphasized in the form of a cut-content miniquest, where Benny would meet up with the Courier some time after being freed and mock them for showing mercy and telling them he would "finish what he started", leading to combat.

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* KickTheSonOfABitch: Depending on how the player views Benny. Some see Caesar ordering his death to be cruel, merciless, and an evil thing to do; others see it as a fitting end to a huge {{Jerkass}} {{jerkass}} that got the Courier in this situation to begin with. This is further emphasized in the form of a cut-content miniquest, where Benny would meet up with the Courier some time sometime after being freed and mock them for showing mercy and telling them he would "finish what he started", leading to combat.



* MeaningfulName: He took the name precisely for the symbolism of it. While there are many "Caesars" in history, Caesar models himself specifically after Julius Caesar. He directly compares the Hoover Dam and his conquest of NCR to when Caesar crossed the Rubican river with his legion to begin his coup, becoming a dictator that transformed the democratic Roman Republic into the Roman Empire.
* MightMakesRight: His philosophy. You can promptly kill him to prove that he can't live up to his own ideology. If you do, Ulysses straight up calls Caesar "History's Hypocrite" if you tell him that Caesar is dead. He then goes on to tell the Courier that if Caesar was too weak to defend himself from you, [[MightMakesRight then by his own logic]] [[TakeThat he was too weak to lead.]]

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* MeaningfulName: He took the name precisely for the symbolism of it. While there are many "Caesars" in history, Caesar models himself specifically after Julius Caesar. He directly compares the Hoover Dam and his conquest of NCR to when Caesar crossed the Rubican river Rubicon River with his legion to begin his coup, becoming a dictator that transformed the democratic Roman Republic into the Roman Empire.
* MightMakesRight: His philosophy. You can promptly kill him to prove that he can't live up to his own ideology. If you do, Ulysses straight up calls Caesar "History's Hypocrite" if you tell him that Caesar is dead. He then goes on to tell the Courier that if Caesar was too weak to defend himself from you, [[MightMakesRight then by his own logic]] [[TakeThat he was too weak to lead.]] lead]].



* NecessaryEvil: Averted. Caesar believes he's working for the greater good, but unlike Ashur or the Master he doesn't see his actions as moral compromises.

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* NecessaryEvil: Averted. Caesar believes he's working for the greater good, but unlike Ashur or the Master Master, he doesn't see his actions as moral compromises. compromises.



* VillainHasAPoint: He's critical of [=NCR's=] democracy because they're bloated, corrupt, and inefficient, its leaders more concerned with expanding their borders and lining their pockets than caring for their people. Easy critiques to dismiss, except that numerous other characters in the game, including those who live in NCR territory and may even be part of its government or military, would readily agree with him.
* VillainousBreakdown: If you blow up the bunker underneath his fort but then say you refuse to work for him any more (or just pretend to), he'll start cursing and throwing a temper tantrum. Then you can threaten him with Terrifying Presence, resulting in him [[OhCrap yelling for his guards.]]

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* VillainHasAPoint: He's critical of [=NCR's=] NCR's democracy because they're bloated, corrupt, and inefficient, its leaders more concerned with expanding their borders and lining their pockets than caring for their people. Easy critiques to dismiss, except that numerous other characters in the game, including those who live in NCR territory and may even be part of its government or military, would readily agree with him.
* VillainousBreakdown: If you blow up the bunker underneath his fort but then say you refuse to work for him any more (or just pretend to), he'll start cursing and throwing a temper tantrum. Then you can threaten him with Terrifying Presence, resulting in him [[OhCrap yelling for his guards.]]guards]].



* WolfpackBoss: By himself, he's basically just a slightly-buffed PraetorianGuard with slightly worse armor. However, he has several EliteMooks equipped with the most powerful hand-to-hand weapons in the game guarding him, as well as one powerful hand-to-hand weapon of his own. It's not very hard to take them all out if you know what to do, but they'll kill you quickly if you screw up.

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* WolfpackBoss: By himself, he's basically just a slightly-buffed slightly buffed PraetorianGuard with slightly worse armor. However, he has several EliteMooks equipped with the most powerful hand-to-hand weapons in the game guarding him, as well as one powerful hand-to-hand weapon of his own. It's not very hard to take them all out if you know what to do, but they'll kill you quickly if you screw up.



* WouldHurtAChild: He had the entire population of New Canaan wiped out including the children. Oddly, he claims that he talked Lanius out of killing the surviving children of his tribe, though this was likely just pragmatism since they would likely be drafted as legionaries. Or it was just a bare-faced lie, considering the Legate's MultipleChoicePast.

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* WouldHurtAChild: He had the entire population of New Canaan wiped out including the children. Oddly, he claims that he talked Lanius out of killing the surviving children of his tribe, though this was likely just pragmatism since they would likely be drafted as legionaries. Or it was just a bare-faced barefaced lie, considering the Legate's MultipleChoicePast.






* BaitTheDog: Close investigation shows Nipton really was the WretchedHive he describes, and even if you disagree with his actions, you can at least understand his goals... until even closer inspection shows he lied about the town's cowardice to make it seem more deserving than it really was. And if that wasn't enough, he plans to massacre the civilian population of Vegas in an onslaught so brutal it disgusted even Lanius. He has the dubious honor of being labeled a "Very Evil" character in-game, something that is only given to four other characters: [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Cook]][[PyroManiac -Cook]], [[AxCrazy Duke]], [[ImAHumanitarian Mortimer and Philippe]].

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* BaitTheDog: Close investigation shows Nipton really was the WretchedHive he describes, and even if you disagree with his actions, you can at least understand his goals... until even closer inspection shows he lied about the town's cowardice to make it seem more deserving than it really was. And if that wasn't enough, he plans to massacre the civilian population of Vegas in an onslaught so brutal it disgusted even Lanius. He has the dubious honor of being labeled a "Very Evil" character in-game, something that is only given to four other characters: [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Cook]][[PyroManiac -Cook]], [[AxCrazy Duke]], [[ImAHumanitarian Mortimer Mortimer, and Philippe]].



* CruelAndUnusualDeath: When him and his men sacked Nipton, they killed almost everyone there. Many were herded into the town hall to be mauled by rabid dogs. Some lucky ones were just shot or decapitated. The rest were either crucified or taken away into slavery, and the mayor who collaborated to escape the town's destruction was thrown into a pile of tires and burned alive. There were two survivors - one left physically unharmed, and the other got the bones in his legs smashed with sledgehammers.

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* CruelAndUnusualDeath: When him he and his men sacked Nipton, they killed almost everyone there. Many were herded into the town hall to be mauled by rabid dogs. Some lucky ones were just shot or decapitated. The rest were either crucified or taken away into slavery, and the mayor who collaborated to escape the town's destruction was thrown into a pile of tires and burned alive. There were two survivors - one left physically unharmed, and the other got the bones in his legs smashed with sledgehammers.



* IdiotBall: [[spoiler: Goes unarmed and alone to deliver the Mark of Caesar to the Courier, even if the Courier has a low Reputation with the Legion and has been shooting Legionaries on sight.]]

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* IdiotBall: [[spoiler: Goes [[spoiler:Goes unarmed and alone to deliver the Mark of Caesar to the Courier, even if the Courier has a low Reputation with the Legion and has been shooting Legionaries on sight.]]



* NotSoStoic: He's normally pretty blase, but there are a few moments when this slips.

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* NotSoStoic: He's normally pretty blase, blasé, but there are a few moments when this slips.



* TheSpymaster: He's the head of the Frumentarii, in charge or overseeing all the Legion's covert-ops and military intelligence actives. You can take a few missions from him as well. If you didn't kill him at Nipton, he'll approach you on the Strip to give you the Mark of Caesar. If you ask him how he even found you or how he got into the Strip, he'll just say that he has his methods as a Frumentarii. The implication being that he's been following you ''everywhere''.

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* TheSpymaster: He's the head of the Frumentarii, in charge or of overseeing all the Legion's covert-ops and military intelligence actives.activities. You can take a few missions from him as well. If you didn't kill him at Nipton, he'll approach you on the Strip to give you the Mark of Caesar. If you ask him how he even found you or how he got into the Strip, he'll just say that he has his methods as a Frumentarii. The implication being that he's been following you ''everywhere''.



* TheStrategist: By far the most competent officer in the Legion. He was responsible for the sacking of Nipton behind NCR lines[[note]]Which also killed four NCR soldiers and a dozen Powder Gangers[[/note]], the dirty bomb attack on Camp Searchlight (a large NCR base, the destruction of which crippled their presence in the region), the establishment of the base at Cottonwood Cove, the alliance with the Great Khans (as he's TheSpymaster, and the ambassador is one of his Frumentarii), and the [[spoiler: plan with the Omertas to chlorine bomb the Strip, leaving it open for the taking for the Legion after the Omertas try to take it themselves.]] Not to mention that he was the one responsible for pacifying and assimilating the Twisted Hairs tribe in the backstory.

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* TheStrategist: By far the most competent officer in the Legion. He was responsible for the sacking of Nipton behind NCR lines[[note]]Which also killed four NCR soldiers and a dozen Powder Gangers[[/note]], the dirty bomb attack on Camp Searchlight (a large NCR base, the destruction of which crippled their presence in the region), the establishment of the base at Cottonwood Cove, the alliance with the Great Khans (as he's TheSpymaster, and the ambassador is one of his Frumentarii), and the [[spoiler: plan [[spoiler:plan with the Omertas to chlorine bomb the Strip, leaving it open for the taking for the Legion after the Omertas try to take it themselves.]] Not to mention that he was the one responsible for pacifying and assimilating the Twisted Hairs tribe in the backstory.



-->'''Voiced by:''' YuriLowenthal

-->"When the Legion showed up, we fought, most tribes did. Hangdogs hung out longer than most... broke us by throwing our dogs on the fire."

The Master of Hounds and a former member of the Hangdogs tribe before it was conquered by Ceaser. His primary job is to oversee the breeding, training and care of Legion hounds, which he has done by stealing a slave girls's teddy bear to give to them as a chew toy.

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-->'''Voiced ->'''Voiced by:''' YuriLowenthal

-->"When ->"When the Legion showed up, we fought, most tribes did. Hangdogs hung out longer than most... broke us by throwing our dogs on the fire."

The Master of Hounds and a former member of the Hangdogs tribe before it was conquered by Ceaser. Caesar. His primary job is to oversee the breeding, training and care of Legion hounds, which he has done by stealing a slave girls's girl's teddy bear to give to them as a chew toy.



* CryForTheDevil: Yeah, he's an asshole who stole a little girls's teddy bear to give to his dogs, but the man has a genuinely tragic backstory.

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* CryForTheDevil: Yeah, he's an asshole who stole a little girls's girl's teddy bear to give to his dogs, but the man has a genuinely tragic backstory.



-->'''Voiced by:''' YuriLowenthal

-->"Remember the rules: light armor and machetes only. And, of course, to the death."

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-->'''Voiced ->'''Voiced by:''' YuriLowenthal

-->"Remember ->"Remember the rules: light armor and machetes only. And, of course, to the death."



* UngratefulBastard: It doesn't matter if a female Courier [[spoiler:saved Ceaser's life by operating on his brain tumor]] or sided with the Legion for control of New Vegas. The closest he gets to paying her a compliment is by telling her that it was good that a woman proved useful for once and that Ceaser was bold to put so much trust her. [[SarcasmMode Nice guy.]]

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* UngratefulBastard: It doesn't matter if a female Courier [[spoiler:saved Ceaser's Caesar's life by operating on his brain tumor]] or sided with the Legion for control of New Vegas. The closest he gets to paying her a compliment is by telling her that it was good that a woman proved useful for once and that Ceaser Caesar was bold to put so much trust her. [[SarcasmMode Nice guy.]]



-->'''Voiced by:''' Lora Cain

-->"We're property. If you're too young or too old, the men usually leave you alone. Usually."

A slave woman who was captured when the Legion burned her home town three years ago. She was training to be a doctor and has enough medical knowledge to perform basic first aid and make healing powders, though her recipes aren't very efficient.

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-->'''Voiced ->'''Voiced by:''' Lora Cain

-->"We're ->"We're property. If you're too young or too old, the men usually leave you alone. Usually."

A slave woman who was captured when the Legion burned her home town hometown three years ago. She was training to be a doctor and has enough medical knowledge to perform basic first aid and make healing powders, though her recipes aren't very efficient.



* TwoferTokenMinority: She is one of the only female Legion characters seen and is also african american.
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* TwoferTokenMinority: She is one of the only female Legion characters seen and is also african american.
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African American.
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-->'''Voiced by:''' Ashley McGullam

-->"I can't talk to you. It's not allowed."

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-->'''Voiced ->'''Voiced by:''' Ashley McGullam

-->"I ->"I can't talk to you. It's not allowed."



* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Caesar notes that the tactical and strategic abilities of Lanius are lacking; what isn't lacking is a hellish ferocity in combat and unmatched skill with a {{BFS}}. This is also [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] in the endings where [[spoiler: he becomes the new Caesar]], as being the baddest ass in the Mojave does ''not'' mean that he's actually a qualified leader. [[spoiler: While he's more intelligent than Caesar, he lacks the latter's gift for social engineering, long-range planning, and building an empire that's more than a blood-mad raider tribe.]]

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: Caesar notes that the tactical and strategic abilities of Lanius are lacking; what isn't lacking is a hellish ferocity in combat and unmatched skill with a {{BFS}}. This is also [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] {{deconstructed|Trope}} in the endings where [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he becomes the new Caesar]], as being the baddest ass in the Mojave does ''not'' mean that he's actually a qualified leader. [[spoiler: While [[spoiler:While he's more intelligent than Caesar, he lacks the latter's gift for social engineering, long-range planning, and building an empire that's more than a blood-mad raider tribe.]]



* BadassBeard: Although you can't see it when you fight him due to his mask, which itself has one.

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* BadassBeard: Although you can't see it when you fight him him, due to his mask, which itself has one.



--> '''Mr. New Vegas:''' And you thought ''your'' boss was a pain.

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--> '''Mr.-->'''Mr. New Vegas:''' And you thought ''your'' boss was a pain.



* {{BFS}}: The Blade of the East. Sadly, should you take it from him you likely won't have many enemies you can use it on, and even if you do the game finishes not long after. However, Lonesome Road features near-identical weapons known as Blades of the West, which were specifically made by the Marked Men to emulate Lanius' sword.

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* {{BFS}}: The Blade of the East. Sadly, should you take it from him you likely won't have many enemies you can use it on, and even if you do the game finishes not long after. However, Lonesome Road features near-identical weapons known as Blades of the West, which were specifically made by the Marked Men to emulate Lanius' Lanius's sword.



* CoolHelmet: You can even compliment him on it, while [[PreAsskickingOneLiner saying it will make a nice trophy.]] Overlaps with MaskPower.
* CowardlyBoss: After you deplete his health about 3/4, he runs away, throwing grenades to cover his retreat. He's actually running towards the pen for his dogs; when he gets there he'll unleash them, use some healing powder, and charge back at you. [[CrazyPrepared Unless you sabotage the pen's lock first.]]
* DarthVaderClone: A more subtle example than most due to his Roman flavorings, but it's there; he's TheDragon to the BigBad and leader of the army, wears a CoolMask that gives him a deep, booming voice, is a symbol of fear and oppression across the Mojave, is feared by his underlings and is known to kill them for their failures, and wields a sword as his personal armament.
* DragonAscendant: [[spoiler:Becomes this if you kill Caesar]].

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* CoolHelmet: You can even compliment him on it, while [[PreAsskickingOneLiner saying it will make a nice trophy.]] trophy]]. Overlaps with MaskPower.
* CowardlyBoss: After you deplete his health about 3/4, he runs away, throwing grenades to cover his retreat. He's actually running towards the pen for his dogs; when he gets there there, he'll unleash them, use some healing powder, and charge back at you. [[CrazyPrepared Unless you sabotage the pen's lock first.]]
* DarthVaderClone: A more subtle example than most due to his Roman flavorings, but it's there; there: he's TheDragon to the BigBad and leader of the army, army; wears a CoolMask that gives him a deep, booming voice, voice; is a symbol of fear and oppression across the Mojave, Mojave; is feared by his underlings and is known to kill them for their failures, failures; and wields a sword as his personal armament.
* DragonAscendant: [[spoiler:Becomes this if you kill Caesar]].Caesar.]]



* DragonTheirFeet: By the time you fight him, it's possible that either Caesar is dead, or [[spoiler:the Securitron army you/Mr. House has activated will be seeing to that shortly]]. Justified by the game making the point that killing Caesar won't stop the Legion, and Lanius has just taken control without him.

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* DragonTheirFeet: By the time you fight him, it's possible that either Caesar is dead, dead or [[spoiler:the Securitron army you/Mr. House has activated will be seeing to that shortly]]. Justified by the game making the point that killing Caesar won't stop the Legion, and Lanius has just taken control without him.



* DumbMuscle: We might get this impression, especially from [[BigBad Caesar]], and while he certainly lacks Caesar's foresight this is largely [[AvertedTrope averted]]. See GeniusBruiser below.
* DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans: While Caesar's rule is hardly anything to look forward to, Lanius' rule is much much worse with the intention of creating a [[TheSocialDarwinist Darwinistic]] world where the weak would be broken by violence while the strong thrive in constant warfare.

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* DumbMuscle: We might get this impression, especially from [[BigBad Caesar]], and while he certainly lacks Caesar's foresight foresight, this is largely [[AvertedTrope averted]].{{averted|Trope}}. See GeniusBruiser below.
* DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans: While Caesar's rule is hardly anything to look forward to, Lanius' Lanius's rule is much much, much worse with the intention of creating a [[TheSocialDarwinist Darwinistic]] world where the weak would be broken by violence while the strong thrive in constant warfare.



** He has an additional one in his Wrath. As Caesar tells the Courier, he has no real loyalty to the Legion itself nor does he value its members for anything other than combat. On the one hand this makes him the absolute authoritative figure as his own men fear him more than the enemy. On the other hand, while he may be more intelligent than Caesar gives him credit for, Lanius' aggression and short-sightedness make him a less effective leader than he himself believes.

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** He has an additional one in his Wrath. As Caesar tells the Courier, he has no real loyalty to the Legion itself nor does he value its members for anything other than combat. On the one hand this makes him the absolute authoritative figure as his own men fear him more than the enemy. On the other hand, while he may be more intelligent than Caesar gives him credit for, Lanius' Lanius's aggression and short-sightedness make him a less effective leader than he himself believes.



* FlunkyBoss: If you fight him, then two {{Praetorian Guard}}s and a little less then a dozen Veteran Legionaries will spawn, packing ballistic fists, machetes, marksman carbines, and super sledges. However, if you talk him into fighting you alone, he becomes a DuelBoss. If you play your cards right, you can even ''invert'' it. The speech check will have him order his men to back down, but you can still have the NCR Ranger Squad Leader, one humanoid companion (e.g. Boone), one non-humanoid companion (Rex or ED-E), [[spoiler:Cannibal Johnson]], and [[spoiler:Doctor Henry]], whereas he has no other support.
* FourStarBadass: The best general in the legion.

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* FlunkyBoss: If you fight him, then two {{Praetorian Guard}}s and a little less then than a dozen Veteran Legionaries will spawn, packing ballistic fists, machetes, marksman carbines, and super sledges. However, if you talk him into fighting you alone, he becomes a DuelBoss. If you play your cards right, you can even ''invert'' it. The speech check will have him order his men to back down, but you can still have the NCR Ranger Squad Leader, one humanoid companion (e.g. Boone), one non-humanoid companion (Rex or ED-E), [[spoiler:Cannibal Johnson]], and [[spoiler:Doctor Henry]], whereas he has no other support.
* FourStarBadass: The best general in the legion.Legion.



* LiteraryAgentHypothesis: As explained further on under MemeticBadass, Caesar and the Legion have deliberately cultivated the image of Lanius as an unstoppable blood-thirsty monster, so it's ambiguous how much of what you hear of him is true. There's even a couple hints that he's a LegacyCharacter and there have been several Laniuses, since anyone around when he's without his masked helmet on is blind or gets blinded.

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* LiteraryAgentHypothesis: As explained further on under MemeticBadass, Caesar and the Legion have deliberately cultivated the image of Lanius as an unstoppable blood-thirsty bloodthirsty monster, so it's ambiguous how much of what you hear of him is true. There's even a couple hints that he's a LegacyCharacter and there have been several Laniuses, since anyone around when he's without his masked helmet on is blind or gets blinded.



* MultipleChoicePast: There are several accounts of how he came to be the Legion's greatest soldier that don't quite match up with each other. For example, Caesar's account of how he was the mightiest warrior in a conquered tribe and was press-ganged into the Legion doesn't fit Lucius' claim that he was already a centurion when he was 12 years old. Joshua Graham remarks that he never heard of Lanius during his time leading the Legion; Josh was only banished seven years ago, suggesting Lanius wasn't present or at least prominent in the Legion at the time. To further confuse the matter, Ulysses mentions that no one sees Lanius without his mask on, and anyone who does is blinded for it, thus there's the possibility for there to be several Lanius' since anyone can don his armor and mask to take on his image. Furthermore, this trope is likely deliberate to build up Lanius's ShroudedInMyth MemeticBadass image.
* NobleDemon: To some extent. He dislikes Vulpes' underhanded methods (specifically his ploy with the Omertas) as well as the idea of a PyrrhicVictory. Incidentally, appealing to his sense of honor is an effective means of [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath getting him to withdraw]] and has a lower skill check requirement than relying purely on Speech or Barter.
* NotSoDifferent: Caesar considers him to be little more than a well trained animal. However, he's actually even-tempered, calm and by far the least arrogant member of the Legion. He also seems to have more foresight than other members of the Legion.

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* MultipleChoicePast: There are several accounts of how he came to be the Legion's greatest soldier that don't quite match up with each other. For example, Caesar's account of how he was the mightiest warrior in a conquered tribe and was press-ganged into the Legion doesn't fit Lucius' claim that he was already a centurion when he was 12 years old. Joshua Graham remarks that he never heard of Lanius during his time leading the Legion; Josh was only banished seven years ago, suggesting Lanius wasn't present or at least prominent in the Legion at the time. To further confuse the matter, Ulysses mentions that no one sees Lanius without his mask on, and anyone who does is blinded for it, thus there's the possibility for there to be several Lanius' Laniuses, since anyone can don his armor and mask to take on his image. Furthermore, this trope is likely deliberate to build up Lanius's ShroudedInMyth MemeticBadass image.
* NobleDemon: To some extent. He dislikes Vulpes' Vulpes's underhanded methods (specifically his ploy with the Omertas) as well as the idea of a PyrrhicVictory. Incidentally, appealing to his sense of honor is an effective means of [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath getting him to withdraw]] and has a lower skill check requirement than relying purely on Speech or Barter.
* NotSoDifferent: Caesar considers him to be little more than a well trained well-trained animal. However, he's actually even-tempered, calm and by far the least arrogant member of the Legion. He also seems to have more foresight than other members of the Legion.



* OneManArmy: Lucius says that Lanius once beat ten men to death in the arena. Alone. At the same time. ''Bare handed''. One account of his multiple choice past also had him wipe out entire Legion patrols when the Legion came to conquer his tribe, the Hidebarks. When his tribe's chieftan tried to surrender to the Legion to stop the bloodshed, Lanius flew into a blind rage and killed nearly every warrior that was left. In actual in-game combat, Lanius wipes the floor with any NCR that isn't a Veteran Ranger, and even then they don't last long.

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* OneManArmy: Lucius says that Lanius once beat ten men to death in the arena. Alone. At the same time. ''Bare handed''. One account of his multiple choice past also had him wipe out entire Legion patrols when the Legion came to conquer his tribe, the Hidebarks. When his tribe's chieftan chieftain tried to surrender to the Legion to stop the bloodshed, Lanius flew into a blind rage and killed nearly every warrior that was left. In actual in-game combat, Lanius wipes the floor with any NCR that isn't a Veteran Ranger, and even then they don't last long.



* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: In contrast to Caesar who doesn't really care about gender as long as he can exploit you, Lanius actively hates women, calling them 'bitches' and even thinks NCR's treatment of them is its biggest shortcoming. Depending on your Karma, he'll even threaten to rape a female Courier if you challenge him to single combat.

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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: In contrast to Caesar who (who doesn't really care about gender as long as he can exploit you, you), Lanius actively hates women, calling them 'bitches' 'bitches,' and even thinks NCR's treatment of them is its biggest shortcoming. Depending on your Karma, he'll even threaten to rape a female Courier if you challenge him to single combat.



* SmugSnake: [[AvertedTrope The only member of the Legion who doesn't suffer from this]]. He'll patiently hear you out at Hoover Dam and even accept your warnings that victory would only harm the Legion, even acknowledging that you're different from others of the West that he's met.

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* SmugSnake: [[AvertedTrope The only member of the Legion who doesn't suffer from this]]. this.]] He'll patiently hear you out at Hoover Dam and even accept your warnings that victory would only harm the Legion, even acknowledging that you're different from others of the West that he's met.



* SuckSessor: Despite being Caesar's successor if he dies, he's quite a lacking replacement, as Lanius' skill is in military command, not government command. While Caesar commands loyalty through his cult of personality, Lanius does it through fear and violence. Numerous characters comment that without Caesar the Legion will eventually fall apart because it's his presence that holds it together, and its implied that despite his best efforts, Lanius will fail to stop this if Caesar dies, even if the Legion wins the Mojave afterward.

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* SuckSessor: Despite being Caesar's successor if he dies, he's quite a lacking replacement, as Lanius' Lanius's skill is in military command, not government command. While Caesar commands loyalty through his cult of personality, Lanius does it through fear and violence. Numerous characters comment that without Caesar the Legion will eventually fall apart because it's his presence that holds it together, and its it's implied that despite his best efforts, Lanius will fail to stop this if Caesar dies, even if the Legion wins the Mojave afterward.



-->''"It is the armor of a Centurion. You have the rare honor of beholding it unsplattered by the blood of my inferiors."''

A Centurion leading Ceaser's forces at Cottonwood Cove. He is distainful of the Courier at first, but will warm up to them a bit if they prove themselves as a friend of the Legion.

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-->''"It ->''"It is the armor of a Centurion. You have the rare honor of beholding it unsplattered by the blood of my inferiors."''

A Centurion leading Ceaser's Caesar's forces at Cottonwood Cove. He is distainful disdainful of the Courier at first, but will warm up to them a bit if they prove themselves as a friend of the Legion.



* {{Hypocrite}}: He looks down on the Courier for being a "profligate" and not a true member of the Legion even if they provide his faction aid, yet has tobacco and alcohol products in his office, which is prohibited by Ceaser's laws.
* {{Jerkass}}: It's clear he looks down on the Courier for not being a part of the Legion and won't change his opinion even if they side with Ceaser. He will show them a small bit of respect if they bring him a lot of NCR dogtags, but not much. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Oh, and he breaks official Legion law by having cigarettes and beer in his office while prohibiting his soldiers from doing the same.]]

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* {{Hypocrite}}: He looks down on the Courier for being a "profligate" and not a true member of the Legion even if they provide his faction aid, yet has tobacco and alcohol products in his office, which is prohibited by Ceaser's Caesar's laws.
* {{Jerkass}}: It's clear he looks down on the Courier for not being a part of the Legion and won't change his opinion even if they side with Ceaser. Caesar. He will show them a small bit of respect if they bring him a lot of NCR dogtags, dog tags, but not much. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Oh, and he breaks official Legion law by having cigarettes and beer in his office while prohibiting his soldiers from doing the same.]]



* ManChild: He has toys and a Grognak comic book in his office. (Though it is possible that they belonged to slaves that his group have captured.)
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* ManChild: He has toys and a Grognak ''Grognak'' comic book in his office. (Though it is possible that they belonged to slaves that his group have captured.)
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-->''"Trade with Cannon Runner if you like. [[ImpliedDeathThreat Make trouble and things won't go well for you."]]''

A legion commander with the rank of Decanus who serves under Aurelius of Pheonix as his second of command. In addition to his more mundane tasks watching over the camp he is also looking for ways to deal with the nearby NCR, something the player can assist him with if they have a high Explosives skill or the knowledge of how to make Powder Charges.

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-->''"Trade ->''"Trade with Cannon Runner if you like. [[ImpliedDeathThreat Make trouble and things won't go well for you."]]''

]]"''

A legion commander with the rank of Decanus who serves under Aurelius of Pheonix Phoenix as his second of command. In addition to his more mundane tasks watching over the camp he is also looking for ways to deal with the nearby NCR, something the player can assist him with if they have a high Explosives skill or the knowledge of how to make Powder Charges.



-->''"They live in pitiful squalor, undisciplined, intemperate. To enslave them is to save them - to give them purpose and virtue."''

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-->''"They ->''"They live in pitiful squalor, undisciplined, intemperate. To enslave them is to save them - to give them purpose and virtue."''



* MacheteMayhem: Like his fellows at the Cove he carries a Machete Gladius for combat.
* OddNameOut: Most other members of the legion have latin names like Aurelius or Severus. He just goes by Canyon Runner.

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* MacheteMayhem: Like his fellows at the Cove Cove, he carries a Machete Gladius for combat.
* OddNameOut: Most other members of the legion Legion have latin Latin names like Aurelius or Severus. He just goes by Canyon Runner.



-->''"Ave. Are you ready to travel to The Fort?"''

The ferryman who runs the boats at Cottonwood Cove. When the player receives the invitation to meet Ceaser at The Fort he'll give them transport there and back.

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-->''"Ave.->''"Ave. Are you ready to travel to The Fort?"''

The ferryman who runs the boats at Cottonwood Cove. When the player receives the invitation to meet Ceaser Caesar at The Fort Fort, he'll give them transport there and back.



* AffablyEvil: Though he comes off as highly insulting he at least makes an attempt to be polite to the Courier.
* BrutalHonesty: Though he tries to avoid directly insulting the player he makes it clear that he sees them as an inferior for not being a part of the Legion. He'll also tell a female Courier that despite Ceaser's request to meet her personally he still views women as extremely inferior to men.
* CrazyPrepared: If the player dumps radioactive barrels on Cottonwood Cove he'll be the only one who survives due to having an Advanced Radiation Suit.

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* AffablyEvil: Though he comes off as highly insulting insulting, he at least makes an attempt to be polite to the Courier.
* BrutalHonesty: Though he tries to avoid directly insulting the player player, he makes it clear that he sees them as an inferior for not being a part of the Legion. He'll also tell a female Courier that despite Ceaser's Caesar's request to meet her personally personally, he still views women as extremely inferior to men.
* CrazyPrepared: If the player dumps radioactive barrels on Cottonwood Cove Cove, he'll be the only one who survives survives, due to having an Advanced Radiation Suit.



* MacheteMayhem: Like all of the Legion stationed at Cottenwood Cove he carries a Machete Gladius as a melee weapon.
* SoleSurvivor: If the player opts to pay the Legion at Cottonwood Cove back for what they did to Camp Searchlight he'll be the only survivor due to being the only one who thought to bring a radiation suit with him.

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* MacheteMayhem: Like all of the Legion stationed at Cottenwood Cove Cottonwood Cove, he carries a Machete Gladius as a melee weapon.
* SoleSurvivor: If the player opts to pay the Legion at Cottonwood Cove back for what they did to Camp Searchlight Searchlight, he'll be the only survivor due to being the only one who thought to bring a radiation suit with him.



-->''"What an ugly little worm you are. What pile of excrement did the lieutenant pluck you from, worm?"''

A captured Legion Centurion who is being interrogated by Lieutenant Carrie Boyd at the Camp McCarran NCR military base. Unfortunately, he has so far refused to say anything worthwhile to his captors, which allows the Courier to intervene and try to get get some useful information out of him themselves.

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-->''"What ->''"What an ugly little worm you are. What pile of excrement did the lieutenant pluck you from, worm?"''

A captured Legion Centurion who is being interrogated by Lieutenant Carrie Boyd at the Camp McCarran [=McCarran=] NCR military base. Unfortunately, he has so far refused to say anything worthwhile to his captors, which allows the Courier to intervene and try to get get some useful information out of him themselves.



* AintTooProudToBeg: He claims to not fear death and is certain that he can escape the base without being harmed or leaking any Legion secrets. However, if the player claims to be a Legion Assassin sent to kill him he'll start to panic and beg for mercy.
* DirtyCoward: He refused to follow his orders to commit suicide like the rest of his squad. If the player poses as a Legion Assassin sent to kill him he'll immediately panic and start begging.
* {{Hypocrite}}: He's fine with the other legionaries sacrificing themselves to protect Ceaser's interests but claims that he himself shouldn't have to as well simply because as a Centurion he is more useful to the Legion alive.

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* AintTooProudToBeg: He claims to not fear death and is certain that he can escape the base without being harmed or leaking any Legion secrets. However, if the player claims to be a Legion Assassin sent to kill him him, he'll start to panic and beg for mercy.
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* DirtyCoward: He refused to follow his orders to commit suicide like the rest of his squad. If the player poses as a Legion Assassin sent to kill him him, he'll immediately panic and start begging.
* {{Hypocrite}}: He's fine with the other legionaries sacrificing themselves to protect Ceaser's interests Caesar's interests, but he claims that he himself shouldn't have to as well well, simply because as a Centurion he is more useful to the Legion alive.



* VillainousBreakdown: If the player claims to be a Legion Assassin or reveals he just gave away highly classified information he'll lose his cool and start breaking out the threats or begging.
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* VillainousBreakdown: If the player claims to be a Legion Assassin or reveals he just gave away highly classified information information, he'll lose his cool and start breaking out the threats or begging.
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-->''"You're getting too close, Shamus!"''

Picus, also known as [[spoiler:Ronald Curtis]] is a Frumentarius agent who has been working right under the noses of the NCR military to send important information such as troop movements to the Legion, which has led to many ambushes and deaths. He is also planning on [[spoiler:using a bomb to destroy the monorail connecting Camp McCarran and New Vegas together, which would deal a major blow to the NCR.]]

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-->''"You're ->''"You're getting too close, Shamus!"''

Picus, also known as [[spoiler:Ronald Curtis]] Curtis]], is a Frumentarius agent who has been working right under the noses of the NCR military to send important information such as troop movements to the Legion, which has led to many ambushes and deaths. He is also planning on [[spoiler:using a bomb to destroy the monorail connecting Camp McCarran and New Vegas together, which would deal a major blow to the NCR.]]NCR]].



* KnifeNut: As one would expect for someone posing as a soldier his melee weapon is a combat knife.
* MeaningfulName: He is likely named after the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picus Picus]] of Roman mythology.

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* KnifeNut: As one would expect for from someone posing as a soldier his melee weapon is a combat knife.
* MeaningfulName: He is likely named after the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picus Picus]] of Roman mythology.



* NiceHat: He wears a [[spoiler:NCR Beret]] which reflects his position in the military.

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* NiceHat: He wears a [[spoiler:NCR Beret]] Beret]], which reflects his position in the military.
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* AxCrazy: Most of the Legion members you meet are a bunch of psychotic thugs looking to rape, torture and murder everyone they come across. Even Caesar himself, despite his well-intentioned ambitions and rational veneer becomes unhealthily sadistic and kill-happy when he loses his temper.
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* MacheteMayhem: He limits all arena fights to machetes only. He also carries one himself.


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* MeaningfulName: He is likely named after the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picus Picus]] of Roman mythology.
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A slave woman who was captured when the Legion burned her home town three years ago. She was training to be a doctor and has enough medical knowledge to perform basic first aid and making healing powders, though her recipe isn't very efficient.

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A slave woman who was captured when the Legion burned her home town three years ago. She was training to be a doctor and has enough medical knowledge to perform basic first aid and making make healing powders, though her recipe isn't recipes aren't very efficient.


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!!Melody

-->'''Voiced by:''' Ashley McGullam

-->"I can't talk to you. It's not allowed."

A young slave girl who has recently lost her teddy bear to the Legion's hound master and requests that the Courier bring it back to her.
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* ShrinkingViolet: She won't even talk to the player unless they pass a speech check or have really low intelligence.
* VideoGameCaringPotential: Getting her teddy bear back to her safe and sound, especially since you might need to fight off four Legion hounds with just a machete to do it.
* VideoGameCrueltyPotential: You can bring her beloved teddy bear back... and then rip it apart right in front of her. There really isn't any motivation or reward for doing this either, the option exists solely to allow the player to be the biggest, meanest asshole possible.
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!!Siri

-->'''Voiced by:''' Lora Cain

-->"We're property. If you're too young or too old, the men usually leave you alone. Usually."

A slave woman who was captured when the Legion burned her home town three years ago. She was training to be a doctor and has enough medical knowledge to perform basic first aid and making healing powders, though her recipe isn't very efficient.
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* BornUnlucky: She had high hopes of becoming a doctor, only to see it all ripped away when the Legion invaded her home and made her a slave, leaving her as little more than a primitive medicine woman who can only craft tribal remedies due to the Legion's prohibition on science and advanced technology. Notably, her Luck attribute is just 2.
* RapeAsDrama: She makes it clear that women are never truly safe in Legion territory and that some of the Legion soldiers were even eyeing a female Courier when she stepped into the camp.
* TwoferTokenMinority: She is one of the only female Legion characters seen and is also african american.
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!!Otho

-->'''Voiced by:''' YuriLowenthal

-->"Remember the rules: light armor and machetes only. And, of course, to the death."

A Legionary in charge of running the arena at The Fort. If the Courier is male he'll be willing to set up fights for them against Legion slaves and even NCR soldiers. If the Courier is female... he mostly just throws insults at you and tells you to bother someone else.
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* {{Jerkass}}: He is reasonably nice to a male Courier and will compliment their skill in the arena, but if the Courier is female he won't even want to talk to her and responds to most of her questions with sexist insults.
* UngratefulBastard: It doesn't matter if a female Courier [[spoiler:saved Ceaser's life by operating on his brain tumor]] or sided with the Legion for control of New Vegas. The closest he gets to paying her a compliment is by telling her that it was good that a woman proved useful for once and that Ceaser was bold to put so much trust her. [[SarcasmMode Nice guy.]]
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* TheBeastmaster: His tribe specialized in the taming and training of dogs, which makes him a valuable member of the Legion forces as his hounds make vicious attack dogs.



* {{Jerkass}}: He's mean and stole a little slave girl's toy just because his dogs could use a new chew toy.

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* {{Jerkass}}: He's mean and stole a little slave girl's toy teddy bear just because his dogs could use a new chew toy.toy.
* MacheteMayhem: His only weapon is a simple machete.
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!!Antony

-->'''Voiced by:''' YuriLowenthal

-->"When the Legion showed up, we fought, most tribes did. Hangdogs hung out longer than most... broke us by throwing our dogs on the fire."

The Master of Hounds and a former member of the Hangdogs tribe before it was conquered by Ceaser. His primary job is to oversee the breeding, training and care of Legion hounds, which he has done by stealing a slave girls's teddy bear to give to them as a chew toy.
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* CryForTheDevil: Yeah, he's an asshole who stole a little girls's teddy bear to give to his dogs, but the man has a genuinely tragic backstory.
* {{Jerkass}}: He's mean and stole a little slave girl's toy just because his dogs could use a new chew toy.
* PetTheDog: Literally, his tribe loved and adored dogs, seeing them as their spirit animals. Even as a member of the Legion he still shows respect to the hounds he trains and will even give the Courier Lupa's brain if they can defeat the old girl in honorable combat, seeing it as giving her a kind of immortality.
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