History Characters / FalloutNewVegasCaesarsLegion

2nd Jun '16 12:25:25 AM Morgenthaler
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* BlondeGuysAreEvil: Although the in-game version has brown hair, the depiction of him on the Collector's Edition card deck shows him with very light blond hair.
19th May '16 10:59:16 PM KabukiMessiah
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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two recruit legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, instructing them to open as many barrels as they can and report back to him.

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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two recruit legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, instructing them to open as many barrels as they can and report "report back to him.him".
19th May '16 10:58:30 PM KabukiMessiah
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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to the barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, instructing them to open the barrels but giving no indication of the lethal consequences of doing so.

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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two recruit legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to the barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, instructing them to open the as many barrels but giving no indication of the lethal consequences of doing so. as they can and report back to him.
19th May '16 10:49:06 PM KabukiMessiah
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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to the barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, telling them to open those barrels but giving no description of the ''contents'' of the barrels.

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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to the barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, telling instructing them to open those the barrels but giving no description indication of the ''contents'' lethal consequences of the barrels.doing so.
19th May '16 10:47:59 PM KabukiMessiah
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* WeHaveReserves: In the Camp Searchlight fire station, you find two legionaries dead of radiation poisoning next to the barrels of radioactive waste that were used to contaminate the town. Their bodies contain orders from Vulpes, telling them to open those barrels but giving no description of the ''contents'' of the barrels.
5th May '16 1:54:40 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* BadassArmy: Every Legionary, from the Legate on down, is either an experienced combatant or dead. The rank-and-file might not be terribly creative or well-armed, but even Colonel Moore admits they are in fantastic shape and fanatically loyal, charging machine gun nests with little more than a sharp stick if their commander orders it. [[spoiler:Caesar is an exception; he relies on his brains to get around his lack of brawn.]]

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* BadassArmy: Every Legionary, from the Legate on down, is either an experienced combatant or dead. The rank-and-file might not be terribly creative or well-armed, but even Colonel Moore admits they are in fantastic shape and fanatically loyal, charging machine gun nests with little more than a sharp stick if their commander orders it. [[spoiler:Caesar is an exception; he relies on his brains to get around his lack of brawn.]]brawn]].



* DramaticallyMissingThePoint: The army of pillaging Roman cosplayers led by a history nerd turned continental super conqueror can't (or won't) can't bring themselves to use technology, form stable alliances, or position themselves as a lesser threat than their enemies to independent or minor factions. In short, [[GeniusBonus they act less like Rome than the NCR does.]]

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* DramaticallyMissingThePoint: The army of pillaging Roman cosplayers led by a history nerd turned continental super conqueror can't (or won't) can't bring themselves to use technology, form stable alliances, or position themselves as a lesser threat than their enemies to independent or minor factions. In short, [[GeniusBonus they act less like Rome than the NCR does.]]does]].



** The aptly named "Veteran Legionaries".

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** The aptly named "Veteran Legionaries".Legionaries."



* EvilPowerVacuum: House speculates that this will be the fate of the Legion once Caesar is out of the picture. With no strong charismatic figure to unite under, the Legion will fall to infighting and destroy itself within a year. Unfortunately, this also means that the territories of the Legion will fall back into anarchy. [[spoiler: Sadly {{subverted}} should the Courier take it upon himself to put one in Caesar's head early on: his subordinates pick up the reigns rather seamlessly.]]

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* EvilPowerVacuum: House speculates that this will be the fate of the Legion once Caesar is out of the picture. With no strong charismatic figure to unite under, the Legion will fall to infighting and destroy itself within a year. Unfortunately, this also means that the territories of the Legion will fall back into anarchy. [[spoiler: Sadly {{subverted}} should the Courier take it upon himself to put one in Caesar's head early on: his subordinates pick up the reigns rather seamlessly.]]seamlessly]].



** Caesar teaches that the weak are unworthy of living and deserve to perish, and has outlawed all chems and technology including stimpacks because they contribute to making humanity weak and frail for relying on them. The second you get into his tent you'll see his bodyguards are armed with advanced power fists, he has an Auto Doc in his bedroom, and oh yes, [[spoiler:he has a fatal brain tumor and sees no problem in using modern medicine to save his own skin.]]

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** Caesar teaches that the weak are unworthy of living and deserve to perish, and has outlawed all chems and technology including stimpacks because they contribute to making humanity weak and frail for relying on them. The second you get into his tent you'll see his bodyguards are armed with advanced power fists, he has an Auto Doc in his bedroom, and oh yes, [[spoiler:he has a fatal brain tumor and sees no problem in using modern medicine to save his own skin.]]skin]].



** This even extends to ex-members, such as Joshua Graham and Ulysses. Joshua claims he doesn't enjoy killing, but his actions when fighting the White Legs speaks for itself. Ulysses (among other things) hates The Courier for [[spoiler: accidentally destroying his new home, The Divide. But he intentionally trained the White Legs to destroy New Canaan, Joshua's home on Caesar's behalf.]]

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** This even extends to ex-members, such as Joshua Graham and Ulysses. Joshua claims he doesn't enjoy killing, but his actions when fighting the White Legs speaks for itself. Ulysses (among other things) hates The Courier for [[spoiler: accidentally destroying his new home, The Divide. But he intentionally trained the White Legs to destroy New Canaan, Joshua's home on Caesar's behalf.]] behalf]].



** [[http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/252998024811254129 Sawyer stated he wanted this to be justified by Caesar as women are the only ones capable of giving birth and he wants them to create as many soldiers as possible]] (which makes sense considering the Legion's a constantly-fighting entity). This was not properly communicated during development, but it basically doesn't matter: that just means their grand plan is to value women strictly for their biology, which is still ''immensely'' sexist. Caesar, however, puts a good deal of importance to Legion women in his statements, as they are what "keeps the Legion going".

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** [[http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/252998024811254129 Sawyer stated he wanted this to be justified by Caesar as women are the only ones capable of giving birth and he wants them to create as many soldiers as possible]] (which makes sense considering the Legion's a constantly-fighting entity). This was not properly communicated during development, but it basically doesn't matter: that just means their grand plan is to value women strictly for their biology, which is still ''immensely'' sexist. Caesar, however, puts a good deal of importance to Legion women in his statements, as they are what "keeps the Legion going".going."



* DefectorFromDecadence: One of Caesar's motivations, evidenced by all his talk of "profligates" and "degenerates". [[spoiler:Caesar was originally an NCR citizen and a member of the Followers Of Apocalypse. He left the two groups because he disagreed with them ideologically.]]
* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: If the Courier tries to have Benny released he'll blackmail you into killing him by threatening Benny with crucifixion. Because coercing someone who was likely your regime’s mortal enemy 24 hours ago into committing murder for your jollies is sure to win their loyalty and respect.

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* DefectorFromDecadence: One of Caesar's motivations, evidenced by all his talk of "profligates" and "degenerates". [[spoiler:Caesar was originally an NCR citizen and a member of the Followers Of Apocalypse. He left the two groups because he disagreed with them ideologically.]]
ideologically]].
* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: If the Courier tries to have Benny released he'll blackmail you into killing him by threatening Benny with crucifixion. Because coercing someone who was likely your regime’s mortal enemy 24 hours ago into committing murder for your jollies is sure to win their loyalty and respect.



* DudeWheresMyRespect: He's almost universally condescending and smug towards you. Even if you do all he asks and have an Idolized reputation with the Legion, he's liable to refuse to answer your questions and will tell you that the reason you should do as he orders is because he ordered you to do it. He's this way even after just waking up from [[spoiler:life-saving brain surgery that you yourself gave him.]]

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* DudeWheresMyRespect: He's almost universally condescending and smug towards you. Even if you do all he asks and have an Idolized reputation with the Legion, he's liable to refuse to answer your questions and will tell you that the reason you should do as he orders is because he ordered you to do it. He's this way even after just waking up from [[spoiler:life-saving brain surgery that you yourself gave him.]]him]].



** [[spoiler:If he takes over Vegas, Caesar allows the Followers to leave peacefully since they're the ones who raised him in the first place.]]
** [[spoiler:He'll also give Hanlon a quick, painless death out of respect, which is better than what Lanius gives him.]]
** [[spoiler:The surrounding Mojave is peacefully integrated into the Legion should the Legion win Hoover Dam and he still be alive. Aside from an oath of fealty, he asks nothing more of any of its populace, and conditions are said to greatly improve.]]
** [[spoiler:Should you sell Arcade into slavery, he'll try to treat him reasonably and will be devastated when Arcade kills himself.]]
** [[spoiler:Saving him from his tumor will cause him to be extremely grateful and nigh-friendly to the Courier, which he lampshades by suggesting they "stop this mushy stuff".]]

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** [[spoiler:If he takes over Vegas, Caesar allows the Followers to leave peacefully since they're the ones who raised him in the first place.]]
place]].
** [[spoiler:He'll also give Hanlon a quick, painless death out of respect, which is better than what Lanius gives him.]]
him]].
** [[spoiler:The surrounding Mojave is peacefully integrated into the Legion should the Legion win Hoover Dam and he still be alive. Aside from an oath of fealty, he asks nothing more of any of its populace, and conditions are said to greatly improve.]]
improve]].
** [[spoiler:Should you sell Arcade into slavery, he'll try to treat him reasonably and will be devastated when Arcade kills himself.]]
himself]].
** [[spoiler:Saving him from his tumor will cause him to be extremely grateful and nigh-friendly to the Courier, which he lampshades by suggesting they "stop this mushy stuff".]]stuff."]]









22nd Apr '16 11:22:20 AM superkeijikun
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* ItIsPronouncedTroPAY: Caesar and his legion use the original Latin pronunciation of his name (kye-sar), while most of the rest of the Mojave Wasteland use the more commonly-known Anglicized pronunciation (see-zer).
29th Mar '16 2:20:35 PM Bobchillingworth
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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: Irony Their tactics and objectives more closely mirror the various "barbarians" Rome fought and eventually was subsumed by than Rome itself, a fact which mortifies Caesar himself. Although entirely unintended at the time of the game's release, they also bear an eerie and disturbing similarity to the brutal "Islamic State" terrorist entity currently brutalizing parts of Iraq and Syria.

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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: Irony Their tactics and objectives more closely mirror the various "barbarians" Rome fought and eventually was subsumed by than Rome itself, a fact which mortifies Caesar himself. Although entirely unintended at the time of the game's release, they also bear an eerie and disturbing similarity to the brutal "Islamic State" terrorist entity currently brutalizing parts of Iraq and Syria.
29th Mar '16 2:20:17 PM Bobchillingworth
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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: Irony Their tactics and objectives more closely mirror the various "barbarians" Rome fought and eventually was subsumed by than Rome itself, a fact which mortifies Caesar himself. Although entirely unintended at the time of the game's release, they also bear an eerie and disturbing similarity to the brutal "Islamic State" terrorist entity currently brutalizing parts of Iraq and Syria.
22nd Mar '16 10:36:37 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* ThePeterPrinciple: He's a good general, but if Caesar dies and he takes over, his skills at running a nation turn out to be rather lacking.
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