History Characters / BatmanAndBatFamily

9th Jun '18 7:42:37 PM nombretomado
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* PapaWolf: See {{Beware The Nice Ones}}/{{Combat Pragmatist}}. He's still a BattleButler despite his age. He will step in to assist his charges if he has to. On one occasion, he even [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome shot a PREDATOR that was overwhelming Batman.]]

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* PapaWolf: See {{Beware The Nice Ones}}/{{Combat Pragmatist}}. He's still a BattleButler despite his age. He will step in to assist his charges if he has to. On one occasion, he even [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome shot a PREDATOR that was overwhelming Batman.]]



* StealthHiBye: Jean-Paul's inability to pull this off during his [[AntiHeroSubstitute stint as Batman]] was Commissioner Gordon's first clue that there was a new Batman in town. The below scene doubles as a CrowningMomentOfFunny.

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* StealthHiBye: Jean-Paul's inability to pull this off during his [[AntiHeroSubstitute stint as Batman]] was Commissioner Gordon's first clue that there was a new Batman in town. The below scene doubles as a CrowningMomentOfFunny.SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}.



* WellDoneSonGuy: Played straight. Jean-Paul had ''terrible'' issues with both his real father, Ludovic Valley, and his adoptive father figure, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne]]. The elder Valley had always been distant from Jean-Paul, and rarely even saw him, let alone had extended interactions with him. Even in Jean-Paul's "system" induced dreams and visions, Ludovic is condescending and unsatisfied with Jean-Paul's actions. But then again, it was revealed in Azrael: Year One that Ludovic was actually trying to get him to safety, away from the Order of St. Dumas when he mentioned the instructions, so maybe he wasn't such a bad father. And then there's ''Batman.'' Imagine if ''your'' father was Batman. (Maybe Jean-Paul could identify with Damian.) Indeed, their relationship has been compared to a very athletic father looking down on an intelligent but physically lacking son. On the other hand, Jean-Paul's father issues led him to [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming identify with a lot of the villains he fought]].

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* WellDoneSonGuy: Played straight. Jean-Paul had ''terrible'' issues with both his real father, Ludovic Valley, and his adoptive father figure, [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne]]. The elder Valley had always been distant from Jean-Paul, and rarely even saw him, let alone had extended interactions with him. Even in Jean-Paul's "system" induced dreams and visions, Ludovic is condescending and unsatisfied with Jean-Paul's actions. But then again, it was revealed in Azrael: Year One that Ludovic was actually trying to get him to safety, away from the Order of St. Dumas when he mentioned the instructions, so maybe he wasn't such a bad father. And then there's ''Batman.'' Imagine if ''your'' father was Batman. (Maybe Jean-Paul could identify with Damian.) Indeed, their relationship has been compared to a very athletic father looking down on an intelligent but physically lacking son. On the other hand, Jean-Paul's father issues led him to [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments identify with a lot of the villains he fought]].
28th May '18 5:53:11 PM lakingsif
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* BadassGrandpa: He was already working for the Wayne family when Bruce's parents were killed, and he is capable of holding his own in a fight.
16th May '18 2:35:42 PM troodos
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: To Pre-ComicBook/IdentityCrisis Tim Drake, as a nerdy everyman and OnlySaneMan who lives with an older relative instead of at Wayne Manor.
8th Mar '18 10:05:40 PM Synchronicity
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* LegacyOfService: DependingOnTheWriter. Some stories establish that his father Jarvis had worked for the Waynes before him.
6th Mar '18 3:31:46 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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29th Jan '18 9:07:17 PM nombretomado
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Come the ModernAge, Kathy has been revamped as Katherine "Kate" Kane, a lesbian and a Jew who is much less of a DistaffCounterpart to Batman. During the series ''[[ComicBook/FiftyTwo 52]]'' (following ''Infinite Crisis''), she filled in for the Caped Crusader while he went on his self-discovery journey. She became the star of ''Detective Comics'' after Batman's "death" in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. The first issue sold out despite the notoriously low popularity of female-headed superhero comics and [[HideYourLesbians the old claims that gay characters don't sell.]]

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Come the ModernAge, UsefulNotes/{{the Modern Age|of Comic Books}}, Kathy has been revamped as Katherine "Kate" Kane, a lesbian and a Jew who is much less of a DistaffCounterpart to Batman. During the series ''[[ComicBook/FiftyTwo 52]]'' (following ''Infinite Crisis''), she filled in for the Caped Crusader while he went on his self-discovery journey. She became the star of ''Detective Comics'' after Batman's "death" in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. The first issue sold out despite the notoriously low popularity of female-headed superhero comics and [[HideYourLesbians the old claims that gay characters don't sell.]]
26th Jan '18 9:54:51 AM Molly_Hats
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In the New 52 (& Rebirth), how much of Bette's history is still intact is left vague. She is the cousin of Kate Kane, who treated her as a rookie who needed lots of training, although Batman implied in his study of Kate that Bette had been first on the scene. When Kate tried to fire her for her own safety, Bette responded by taking to the streets to prove herself. Her uncle Col. Jacob Kane promised to train her if she still wanted to be a vigilante when she was gravely injured and rendered comatose by the villain Hook. Under the tutelage of him and his Murder of Crows, she became Hawkfire and successfully took down Hook. She is currently enrolled in West Point Military Academy. [[hardline]]

* ActionHeroine: At some points, written as practically being in it partially for the thrill of it all.
** FauxActionGirl: Though alternatively, her Pre-Crisis Bat-Girl incarnation as well as her initial Post-Crisis appearances came off as these, as she was more concerned with showing off to look good and to try to gain her crush's attention.
* AllLoveIsUnrequited: To her dismay.
* AscendedFangirl: This is how she started.
%%* CanonImmigrant
* TheChick: As Bat-Girl she had a utility purse like her aunt, as well as wearing a dress and impractical heels to fight crime with.
* DarkSkinnedBlond: Turned into one beginning with Batwoman's run in Detective Comics, as an artistic contrast to [[SignificantGreenEyedRedhead her cousin]]. Later colorists however, have reverted her back to having lighter skin (but never as light as Kate's).
* EightiesHair: Initially had an outrageous perm when introduced as Flamebird.
* GirlsHaveCooties: Robin's attitude to Bat-Girl, which rather undermined the whole "See? Love interest! Not gay!" thing.
* LonelyRichKid: Oh, so much. It's a side effect of DC not being sure what to do with her, and thus shuffling her around and not giving her any solid friendships. Dove points this out (see below)
* MagicSkirt: As Bat-Girl, and to an extent with her first Flamebird costume (though she did wear tights underneath).
%%* PluckyGirl
* {{Retcon}}: Her history as Bat-Girl never happened in the Post-Crisis era, so readers are supposed to imagine her as Flamebird in any instances where she was with the original Teen Titans. Unless you count her cameo in Grant Morrison's Batwoman story as canon, but that's been rendered moot by the New 52.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Her middle name is usually spelled "Elizabeth", but was spelled "Elisabeth" in Sean [=McKeever=]'s run of Teen Titans.
* StalkerWithACrush: Could be seen as this in her early career as Flamebird, and as Bat-Girl.
* StepfordSmiler: Implied in her appearance in the ''Hawk and Dove Annual'', by Dove's analysis of her personality that she's actually a lonely and depressed girl desperate for company and contact with others.
* StuffedIntoTheFridge: Subverted, she gets maimed by the Hook, and it gives Kate more angst, as well as [[spoiler: directly leading to The DEO figuring out Kate's identity]], and leaves her in a coma for most of the "To Drown the World" Arc. However, she gets out, copes with the PTSD, and begins to take Crime fighting more seriously. She trains with her uncle, and joins in on the final battle, taking out the Hook, and helping beat Bloody Mary.
* TookALevelInBadass:
** In the ''Beast Boy'' mini-series.
** Took another in the Batwoman ongoing, becoming Hawkfire.

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In the New 52 (& Rebirth), how much of Bette's history is still intact is left vague. She is the cousin of Kate Kane, who treated her as a rookie who needed lots of training, although Batman implied in his study of Kate that Bette had been first on the scene. When Kate tried to fire her for her own safety, Bette responded by taking to the streets to prove herself. Her uncle Col. Jacob Kane promised to train her if she still wanted to be a vigilante when she was gravely injured and rendered comatose by the villain Hook. Under the tutelage of him and his Murder of Crows, she became Hawkfire and successfully took down Hook. She is currently enrolled in West Point Military Academy. [[hardline]]\n\n* ActionHeroine: At some points, written as practically being in it partially

See the Characters/{{Batwoman}} character page
for the thrill of it all.
** FauxActionGirl: Though alternatively,
her Pre-Crisis Bat-Girl incarnation as well as her initial Post-Crisis appearances came off as these, as she was more concerned with showing off to look good and to try to gain her crush's attention.
* AllLoveIsUnrequited: To her dismay.
* AscendedFangirl: This is how she started.
%%* CanonImmigrant
* TheChick: As Bat-Girl she had a utility purse like her aunt, as well as wearing a dress and impractical heels to fight crime with.
* DarkSkinnedBlond: Turned into one beginning with Batwoman's run in Detective Comics, as an artistic contrast to [[SignificantGreenEyedRedhead her cousin]]. Later colorists however, have reverted her back to having lighter skin (but never as light as Kate's).
* EightiesHair: Initially had an outrageous perm when introduced as Flamebird.
* GirlsHaveCooties: Robin's attitude to Bat-Girl, which rather undermined the whole "See? Love interest! Not gay!" thing.
* LonelyRichKid: Oh, so much. It's a side effect of DC not being sure what to do with her, and thus shuffling her around and not giving her any solid friendships. Dove points this out (see below)
* MagicSkirt: As Bat-Girl, and to an extent with her first Flamebird costume (though she did wear tights underneath).
%%* PluckyGirl
* {{Retcon}}: Her history as Bat-Girl never happened in the Post-Crisis era, so readers are supposed to imagine her as Flamebird in any instances where she was with the original Teen Titans. Unless you count her cameo in Grant Morrison's Batwoman story as canon, but that's been rendered moot by the New 52.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: Her middle name is usually spelled "Elizabeth", but was spelled "Elisabeth" in Sean [=McKeever=]'s run of Teen Titans.
* StalkerWithACrush: Could be seen as this in her early career as Flamebird, and as Bat-Girl.
* StepfordSmiler: Implied in her appearance in the ''Hawk and Dove Annual'', by Dove's analysis of her personality that she's actually a lonely and depressed girl desperate for company and contact with others.
* StuffedIntoTheFridge: Subverted, she gets maimed by the Hook, and it gives Kate more angst, as well as [[spoiler: directly leading to The DEO figuring out Kate's identity]], and leaves her in a coma for most of the "To Drown the World" Arc. However, she gets out, copes with the PTSD, and begins to take Crime fighting more seriously. She trains with her uncle, and joins in on the final battle, taking out the Hook, and helping beat Bloody Mary.
* TookALevelInBadass:
** In the ''Beast Boy'' mini-series.
** Took another in the Batwoman ongoing, becoming Hawkfire.
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17th Jan '18 2:36:05 PM Molly_Hats
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* LonelyRichKid: Oh, so much. It's a side effect of DC not being sure what to do with her, and thus shuffling her around and not giving her any solid friendships. Dove points this out (see below)
14th Jan '18 6:43:53 PM Molly_Hats
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* HowDoIShotWeb: By the end of his first solo comic issue, he has a basic idea of some things he can do and how to activate them, but he's still far from proficient.
--> '''Duke (internally)''': So...Signal powers go!
--> '''Duke''': Out loud then. Powers...'''on'''. Powers? #$%@&
14th Jan '18 6:23:08 PM Molly_Hats
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In the New 52, how much of Bette's history is still intact is left vague. She is the cousin of Kate Kane (Batwoman), who treated her as a rookie who needed lots of training, although Batman implied in his study of Kate that Bette had been first on the scene. When Kate tried to fire her for her own safety, Bette responded by taking to the streets to prove herself. When she was gravely injured and rendered comatose by the villain Hook, her uncle Jacob Kane (Kate's father, with whom Kate has a complex relationship) promised to train her when she woke up if she still wanted to be a vigilante. Under the tutelage of him and his Murder of Crows (who had taught Kate), she became Hawkfire and successfully took down Hook. She is currently enrolled in West Point Military Academy. [[hardline]]

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In the New 52, 52 (& Rebirth), how much of Bette's history is still intact is left vague. She is the cousin of Kate Kane (Batwoman), Kane, who treated her as a rookie who needed lots of training, although Batman implied in his study of Kate that Bette had been first on the scene. When Kate tried to fire her for her own safety, Bette responded by taking to the streets to prove herself. When Her uncle Col. Jacob Kane promised to train her if she still wanted to be a vigilante when she was gravely injured and rendered comatose by the villain Hook, her uncle Jacob Kane (Kate's father, with whom Kate has a complex relationship) promised to train her when she woke up if she still wanted to be a vigilante. Hook. Under the tutelage of him and his Murder of Crows (who had taught Kate), Crows, she became Hawkfire and successfully took down Hook. She is currently enrolled in West Point Military Academy. [[hardline]]
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