History Characters / BatmanAndBatFamily

27th Sep '16 3:23:09 AM rafi
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%%* ActionGirl
* BackFromTheDead: [[spoiler: Thought to be this at one point, where the second Batwoman fought her in an abandoned carnival, but it was revealed she was only an impostor. Though it's strongly implied she may be less dead than previously thought. She's then shown to still be alive at the end of Grant Morrison's New 52 "Batman Inc." run, having become an assassin. She then tells Bruce to not bother finding her.]]
* BecomingTheMask: [[spoiler: After she had fallen for Batman, she tried to get out of her deal with Spyral.]]
* TheChick: Utility purse, high heels, powder puff filled with mace, she's got it all.
%%* ComfortingTheWidow
* CousinOliver: Her original incarnation during the Silver Age. In recent flashbacks to this period, even Dick was shown thinking the idea was stupid.
* DamselInDistress: Often enough
* DecompositeCharacter: It was initially believed that Kate Kane was the post-Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis version of Kathy Kane (albeit with a new appearance and AdaptationalSexuality), but it was later revealed Kathy still existed as a completely separate character.
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* MayDecemberRomance: She was older than Bruce at the time. When trying to break things off with Bruce, she claimed that she was too old to be running around in costumes with a younger guy like him.
* NameOfCain: She married into the Kane family, and people claim his death was caused by the "Kane family curse". Judging by what's happened to the family of other people sharing the name, how can you blame them?
* PosthumousCharacter: These days she is usually only shown through flashbacks of Bruce's past, and established to have died during his early years.
* PutOnABus: After ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths, she was supposedly erased from existence. [[TheBusCameBack Up until Grant Morrison brought her back during Batman R.I.P. via flashbacks.]]
* {{Retirony}}: She was murdered only after she decided to hang up the cape for good.
* StuffedInTheFridge: Her initial demise in 1979.
* TheVamp: [[spoiler: She was initially out to seduce Batman to uncover his identity for the crime league, Spyral.]]




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* AffirmativeActionLegacy: The new incarnation is gay and Jewish. This is a retroactive example, as when Kate first debuted, Kathy Kane's tenure as Batwoman had been stricken from continuity, leading many to assume Kate was simply a rebooted version of Kathy. It wasn't until Comicbook/GrantMorrisonsBatman that it was confirmed that Kathy was still the original Batwoman and Kate's predecessor.
* AngstySurvivingTwin: [[spoiler:Well, she ''thought'' she was...]]
* AntiHero: Kate decided to become a vigilante crimefighter as an outlet and expression of her depression, listlessness and refusal to accept the decision of society to refuse her help.
%%* BadassGay
* BeingGoodSucks: Ever since [[spoiler:her mother and twin sister were murdered]], Kate Kane only had ''one'' dream, and that was to serve her country. When rumors began to circulate that she was gay she was given the opportunity to say it was a mistake and have the entire affair swept under the rug. [[WillNotTellALie She refuses]], [[HonorBeforeReason unwilling to compromise her personal integrity even for something this important]], and subsequently loses the only dream she has.
* ButchLesbian: Her civilian appearance in ''Detective Comics Rebirth''.
* DaddysGirl: Her father was her main line of support, supplying her with information and gadgets as she began her career as Batwoman. Issue #0 of her solo series reveals that their relationship has been drastically altered after the revelations of Kate's childhood.
* DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: A large section of her ''Detective Comics'' run covers the years after she was expelled from West Point, where the running theme (and commentary from friends and family) is that she is listless and undriven, and that she does not know what to ''do'' with her life.
* DrillSergeantNasty: Toward the group of young Gotham vigilantes she trains with Batman in ''Detective Comics Rebirth''. She justifies it by saying the kids need to be pushed past their breaking points to see how they'll handle themselves if things ever go bad on the battlefield.
%%* FieryRedhead
* {{Goth}}: After her initial appearances in 52, she started wearing black and grey casual wear rather than fashionable red dresses.
* HeroicSacrifice: When Kate is forced to resign from the United States Military Academy at West Point she is first given the option of denying the affair and having the event swept under the rug. She will not deny that she is gay, so she admits to the charge and is discharged. However, she has a third option, which is to say nothing (Neither confirm or deny the accusation) which would result in an official investigation that could potentially rule that the "charges" were incorrect, allowing her to stay in the military without actually lying to a superior officer. Before Kate makes any definitive statement she first asks if there is anybody else under investigation, and when she hears that nobody else has been accused, she confesses. If she remained silent and there was an investigation, her girlfriend, Sophie Moore, could have been discovered as well, along with any other closeted cadets. Kate accepted discharge, from the only dream she had in life, in order to keep others from being discovered.
* HonourBeforeReason: When confronted by her commanding officer over accusations that she is gay, Kate is given the option of denying the charge and having the entire affair swept under the rug. However, she admits to the charge and resigns from the United States Military Academy at West Point, quoting the Cadet Honor Code as she does: "A cadet shall not lie, cheat or steal, nor suffer others to do so... I'm gay."
* LadyInRed: In her very first appearance in ''52'' she is dressed in a long, flowing red dress, and she wears out that dress.
* LipstickLesbian: As [[ComicBook/TheQuestion Renee Montoya]] says, "Kate Kane has the kind of beauty that leaves you ''breathless''" when she appears for the first time. Her redesign for ''Detective Comics'', as drawn by Williams, seems to deliberately play around with mixed butch and femme elements in her civilian wear, like wearing a tux with feminine hair and make-up, or a halter-necked top with a buttoned shirtfront and tie printed on the front. She eventually transitioned towards being a ButchLesbian in ''Detective Comics Rebirth'', cropping her hair into a buzzcut and dressing in more masculine clothing.
* LongLostRelative:
** [[spoiler:Her twin sister, Beth, turns out to be alive... and [[CainAndAbel unfortunately evil]].]]
** [[spoiler:As of ''Batwoman'' #17, it's hinted that Mr. Bones is Beth and Kate's brother, or at least related to them. Though this turns out just to be a delusion on Bones's part.]]
* MilitaryBrat: Kate's father was a [=SpecOps=] trooper, and her mother an Intel officer.
* MilitarySuperhero: Was a cadet at West Point and well on her way to become an outstanding Army officer... until she quit because of the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy. She sees her superheroics as her new vocation in life, and her Army training pays off a thousandfold.
%%* NameOfCain
* PolarOppositeTwins: Kate and Beth's completely conflicting ideologies.
* RememberTheNewGuy: Downplayed since she's not a brand-new character, but ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth'' establishes that Kate and Bruce were apparently fairly close as children, and that Kate even comforted Bruce at his parents' funeral. This came as a surprise to quite a few readers, as even ''after'' Kate was introduced, there was very little indication that she had any real history with Bruce, even after being confirmed as his cousin.
%%* SignificantGreenEyedRedhead
* TechnicalPacifist: She has no qualms with roughing up her enemies, or even ''[[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman breaking the skull of a mutant fish-faced crocodile creature]]'', but killing is off-limits.
* TwinDesynch: Played painfully straight; [[spoiler:Beth has altered her appearance so much that her own twin sister couldn't recognize her]].
* TwoferTokenMinority: She is lesbian ''and'' Jewish, and the writers manage to work both angles into her stories logically as she celebrates a mixed Hanukkah/Christmas holiday season with her on-again, off-again girlfriend.
* WillNotTellALie: She refused to lie about her sexual orientation in the Army, which is why she was dishonorably discharged.
26th Sep '16 5:22:52 PM comicwriter
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* DecompositeCharacter: It was initially believed that Kate Kane was the post-Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis version of Kathy Kane (albeit with a new appearance and AdaptationalSexuality), but it was later revealed Kathy still existed as a completely separate character.
26th Sep '16 2:41:04 PM rafi
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Before you ask, no, ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} was not Batman's wife. Not even in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} (no matter what that one comic cover on Superdickery.com says). Kathy was, however, designed to be a possible romantic interest for the Dark Knight (mainly to dispel the HoYayShipping between him and Robin), as well as an attempt to cash in on the popularity of Franchise/{{Superman}}'s "family members", such as ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}. As a rich heiress and a former circus performer, Kathy's life was rather untouched by tragedy, and she mainly became a crimefighter because of her attractions to Batman. Eventually, her niece Betty joined in on the fun as well, as Robin's love interest Bat-Girl.

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Before you ask, no, ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} Batwoman was not Batman's wife. Not even in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} (no matter what that one comic cover on Superdickery.com says). Kathy was, however, designed to be a possible romantic interest for the Dark Knight (mainly to dispel the HoYayShipping between him and Robin), as well as an attempt to cash in on the popularity of Franchise/{{Superman}}'s "family members", such as ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}. As a rich heiress and a former circus performer, Kathy's life was rather untouched by tragedy, and she mainly became a crimefighter because of her attractions to Batman. Eventually, her niece Betty joined in on the fun as well, as Robin's love interest Bat-Girl.



More info on [[ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} Batwoman personal page]].
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The tropes that define Kate are:[[hardline]]
More info on [[ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} Batwoman personal page]].
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26th Sep '16 2:33:46 PM comicwriter
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%%* BlackAndNerdy

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%%* BlackAndNerdy* BlackAndNerdy: Though a more physically capable example than usual.
26th Sep '16 2:30:37 PM comicwriter
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25th Sep '16 4:34:26 PM smokeycut
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* ButchLesbian: Her civilian appearance in ''Detective Comics Rebirth''.



* LipstickLesbian: As [[ComicBook/TheQuestion Renee Montoya]] says, "Kate Kane has the kind of beauty that leaves you ''breathless''" when she appears for the first time. Her redesign for ''Detective Comics'', as drawn by Williams, seems to deliberately play around with mixed butch and femme elements in her civilian wear, like wearing a tux with feminine hair and make-up, or a halter-necked top with a buttoned shirtfront and tie printed on the front.

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* LipstickLesbian: As [[ComicBook/TheQuestion Renee Montoya]] says, "Kate Kane has the kind of beauty that leaves you ''breathless''" when she appears for the first time. Her redesign for ''Detective Comics'', as drawn by Williams, seems to deliberately play around with mixed butch and femme elements in her civilian wear, like wearing a tux with feminine hair and make-up, or a halter-necked top with a buttoned shirtfront and tie printed on the front. She eventually transitioned towards being a ButchLesbian in ''Detective Comics Rebirth'', cropping her hair into a buzzcut and dressing in more masculine clothing.
10th Sep '16 2:20:17 PM caivu
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[[folder: Batwoman I (Katherine Webb Kane)]]

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[[folder: Batwoman I (Katherine Webb "Kathy" Kane)]]



* BackFromTheDead: [[spoiler: Thought to be this at one point, where the current Batwoman fought her in an abandoned carnival. Though it was revealed she was only an impostor. Though it's strongly implied she may be less dead than they thought. She's then shown to still be alive at the end of Grant Morrison's New 52 "Batman Inc." run, having become an assassin. She then tells Bruce to not bother finding her.]]

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* BackFromTheDead: [[spoiler: Thought to be this at one point, where the current second Batwoman fought her in an abandoned carnival. Though carnival, but it was revealed she was only an impostor. Though it's strongly implied she may be less dead than they previously thought. She's then shown to still be alive at the end of Grant Morrison's New 52 "Batman Inc." run, having become an assassin. She then tells Bruce to not bother finding her.]]



* AffirmativeActionLegacy: The new incarnation is Gay and Jewish. This is a retroactive example, as when Kate first debuted, Kathy Kane's tenure as Batwoman had been stricken from continuity, leading many to assume Kate was simply a rebooted version of Kathy. It wasn't until Comicbook/GrantMorrisonsBatman that it was confirmed that Kathy was still the original Batwoman and Kate's predecessor.
* AngstySurvivingTwin: [[spoiler:Well, she THOUGHT she was...]]

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* AffirmativeActionLegacy: The new incarnation is Gay gay and Jewish. This is a retroactive example, as when Kate first debuted, Kathy Kane's tenure as Batwoman had been stricken from continuity, leading many to assume Kate was simply a rebooted version of Kathy. It wasn't until Comicbook/GrantMorrisonsBatman that it was confirmed that Kathy was still the original Batwoman and Kate's predecessor.
* AngstySurvivingTwin: [[spoiler:Well, she THOUGHT ''thought'' she was...]]



* DrillSergeantNasty: Towards the group of young Gotham vigilantes she trains with Batman. She justifies it by saying the kids need to be pushed past their breaking points to see how they'll handle themselves if things ever go bad on the battlefield.

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* DrillSergeantNasty: Towards Toward the group of young Gotham vigilantes she trains with Batman.Batman in ''Detective Comics Rebirth''. She justifies it by saying the kids need to be pushed past their breaking points to see how they'll handle themselves if things ever go bad on the battlefield.



* HeroicSacrifice: When Kate is forced to resign from the United States Military Academy at West Point she is first given the option of denying the affair and having the event swept under the rug. She will not deny that she is gay, so she admits to the charge and is discharged. However, she has a third option, which is to say nothing (Neither confirm or deny the accusation) which would result in an official investigation that could potentially rule that the "charges" were incorrect, allowing her to stay in the military without actually lying to a superior officer. Before Kate makes any definitive statement she first asks if there is anybody else under investigation, and when she hears that nobody else has been accused she confesses. If she remained silent and there was an investigation, her girlfriend, Sophie Moore, could have been discovered as well. Kate accepted discharge, from the only dream she had in life, in order to keep her lover from being discovered.
* HonourBeforeReason: When confronted by her commanding officer over accusations that she is gay, Kate is given the option of denying the charge and having the entire affair swept under the rug. However, she admits to the charge and resigns from the United States Military Academy at West Point, quoting the Cadet Honor Code as she does: "A cadet shall not lie, cheat or steal, nor suffer others to do so... I'm Gay."

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* HeroicSacrifice: When Kate is forced to resign from the United States Military Academy at West Point she is first given the option of denying the affair and having the event swept under the rug. She will not deny that she is gay, so she admits to the charge and is discharged. However, she has a third option, which is to say nothing (Neither confirm or deny the accusation) which would result in an official investigation that could potentially rule that the "charges" were incorrect, allowing her to stay in the military without actually lying to a superior officer. Before Kate makes any definitive statement she first asks if there is anybody else under investigation, and when she hears that nobody else has been accused accused, she confesses. If she remained silent and there was an investigation, her girlfriend, Sophie Moore, could have been discovered as well. well, along with any other closeted cadets. Kate accepted discharge, from the only dream she had in life, in order to keep her lover others from being discovered.
* HonourBeforeReason: When confronted by her commanding officer over accusations that she is gay, Kate is given the option of denying the charge and having the entire affair swept under the rug. However, she admits to the charge and resigns from the United States Military Academy at West Point, quoting the Cadet Honor Code as she does: "A cadet shall not lie, cheat or steal, nor suffer others to do so... I'm Gay.gay."



** [[spoiler:As of Batwoman 17, it's hinted that Mr. Bones is Beth and Kate's brother, or at least related to them. Though this turns out just to be a delusion on Bones's part.]]

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** [[spoiler:As of Batwoman 17, ''Batwoman'' #17, it's hinted that Mr. Bones is Beth and Kate's brother, or at least related to them. Though this turns out just to be a delusion on Bones's part.]]
9th Sep '16 1:31:36 PM caivu
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[[folder:'''Batwoman II''' (Katherine "Kate" Kane)]]

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[[folder:'''Batwoman II''' (Katherine Rebecca "Kate" Kane)]]



Come the ModernAge, Kathy has been revamped as Katherine "Kate" Kane, a lesbian and a Jew who is much less of a DistaffCounterpart to Batman. During the ComicBook/FiftyTwo weeks following ''Infinite Crisis'', she filled in for the Caped Crusader while he went on his self-discovery journey. She became the star of ''Detective Comics'' after Batman's "death" in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. The first issue sold out despite the notoriously low popularity of female-headed superhero comics and [[HideYourLesbians the old claims that gay characters don't sell.]]

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Come the ModernAge, Kathy has been revamped as Katherine "Kate" Kane, a lesbian and a Jew who is much less of a DistaffCounterpart to Batman. During the ComicBook/FiftyTwo weeks following series ''[[ComicBook/FiftyTwo 52]]'' (following ''Infinite Crisis'', Crisis''), she filled in for the Caped Crusader while he went on his self-discovery journey. She became the star of ''Detective Comics'' after Batman's "death" in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. The first issue sold out despite the notoriously low popularity of female-headed superhero comics and [[HideYourLesbians the old claims that gay characters don't sell.]]



Kate is first cousins with Bette Kane, the original Bat-Girl and later Flamebird. After years of speculation from fans based on her surname, Kate and Bruce Wayne were confirmed to be cousins during the "Zero Year" event of the New 52, and were further specified to be first cousins in ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth''. This means that Kate is ''also'' cousins with Damian Wayne; first cousins once removed, to be specific.

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Kate is first cousins with Bette Kane, the original Bat-Girl and later Flamebird. After years of speculation from fans based on her surname, Kate and Bruce Wayne were confirmed to be cousins during the "Zero Year" event of the New 52, and were further specified to be first cousins in ''ComicBook/DetectiveComicsRebirth''. This means that Kate is ''also'' cousins with Damian Wayne; first cousins once removed, to be specific.
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9th Sep '16 1:19:36 PM caivu
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* ThouShallNotKill: Once again except for [[WellIntentionedExtremist Jason]] and to a degree [[TykeBomb Damian]] (who was raised to be a killer, and abides by the Batfamily's no-kill policy but still doesn't entirely believe in it)

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* ThouShallNotKill: Once again except for [[WellIntentionedExtremist Jason]] and to a degree [[TykeBomb Damian]] (who was raised to be a killer, and abides by the Batfamily's no-kill policy but still doesn't entirely believe in it)it). Kate also mostly refrains from killing out of respect for the Bat symbol, but ''has'' killed or threatened to kill various enemies and doesn't have the same moral issues with it that Bruce does.



* VagueAge: Alfred's age in relation to Bruce hasn't been determined outside of "older than Bruce". This has led adaptations to vary widly with his age in relation to Bruce's such as him being in his early 50s either [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman when Bruce is starting out as Batman]] or [[Series/{{Gotham}} when Thomas and Martha Wayne died]], to being in [[Creator/MichaelCaine early 70s]] [[Film/BatmanBegins as a 30 year old Bruce Wayne starts his career as Batman]], to being [[Creator/JeremyIrons in his mid-60s]] [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice working for a Bruce who's in his 40s and been active for 20 years.]]

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* VagueAge: Alfred's age in relation to Bruce hasn't been determined outside of "older than Bruce". This has led adaptations to vary widly wildly with his age in relation to Bruce's such as him being in his early 50s either [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman when Bruce is starting out as Batman]] or [[Series/{{Gotham}} when Thomas and Martha Wayne died]], to being in [[Creator/MichaelCaine early 70s]] [[Film/BatmanBegins as a 30 year old Bruce Wayne starts his career as Batman]], to being [[Creator/JeremyIrons in his mid-60s]] [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice working for a Bruce who's in his 40s and been active for 20 years.]]



* TwoferTokenMinority: The newest incarnation is lesbian ''and'' Jewish, and they manage to work both angles into her stories logically as she celebrates a mixed Hanukkah/Christmas holiday season with her on-again, off-again girlfriend.

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* TwoferTokenMinority: The newest incarnation She is lesbian ''and'' Jewish, and they the writers manage to work both angles into her stories logically as she celebrates a mixed Hanukkah/Christmas holiday season with her on-again, off-again girlfriend.
9th Sep '16 12:57:20 PM rafi
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* ArtEvolution: This is a minor case of RetCanon. Initially he was an overweight butler. But in the 1943 Batman film serial Alfred was played by William Austin, who was tall and thin, and had the moustache. To match this, comic book Alfred promptly went off to a health resort to lose weight and grew a moustache.



* CharacterizationMarchesOn: Alfred started out as a goofy, clean-shaven, overweight butler. This is a minor case of RetCanon. In the 1943 Batman film serial Alfred was played by William Austin, who was tall and thin, and had the moustache. To match this, comic book Alfred promptly went off to a health resort to lose weight and grew a moustache.

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* CharacterizationMarchesOn: CharacterizationMarchesOn: Alfred started out as a goofy, clean-shaven, overweight butler. This is He become a minor case of RetCanon. In the 1943 Batman film serial Alfred was played by William Austin, who was tall slim, snarky and thin, really competent butler showing medical and had the moustache. To match this, comic book Alfred promptly went off to a health resort to lose weight and grew a moustache.fighting abilities.



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%%* TheMedic* TheMedic: As former field medic, Alfred is capable of performing minor surgery and stitching wounds for the members of the Batman Family.



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%%* SecretKeeper* SecretKeeper: Naturally he is the first guy that know Bruce secret.
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