History Characters / ASongOfIceAndFireHouseBaratheonOfKingsLanding

24th Nov '16 3:23:34 PM DougDevilsMutt
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* LovingAShadow: Even years after her death, Robert is still in love with [[TheLostLenore Lyanna Stark]] (or at least the impression he had of her before his rebellion). It's heavily implied that the reason he never got over her it's because he never got to live the reality of marriage with her, not to mention that had he ever got her back like he wished, their marriage would be ruined anyway since Lyanna spent ''months'' with Rhaegar, and [[PresenceAbsence Rhaegar's ghost would be always between them]]. Also Robert may have not stopped his sleeping around, as Lyanna suggested to Ned. And as things turned sour with Cersei, he keeps pining for a woman he actually never knew intimately. This is lampshaded by Ned when Robert has a quarrel with Cersei in ''Literature/AGameOfThrones'':

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* LovingAShadow: Even years after her death, Robert is still in love with [[TheLostLenore Lyanna Stark]] (or at least the impression he had of her before his rebellion). It's heavily implied that the reason he never got over her it's because he never got to live the reality of marriage with her, not to mention that had he ever got her back like he wished, their marriage would be ruined anyway since Lyanna spent ''months'' with Rhaegar, and [[PresenceAbsence [[PresentAbsence Rhaegar's ghost would be always between them]]. Also Robert may have not stopped his sleeping around, as Lyanna suggested to Ned. And as things turned sour with Cersei, he keeps pining for a woman he actually never knew intimately. This is lampshaded by Ned when Robert has a quarrel with Cersei in ''Literature/AGameOfThrones'':
24th Nov '16 3:22:35 PM DougDevilsMutt
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23rd Nov '16 5:01:36 PM WaryHoglet
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-->''"So long as I am your King, treason will never go unpunished! Ser Ilyn, bring me his head."''

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-->''"So long as I am your King, treason will never go unpunished! Ser Ilyn, bring me his head."''
head!"''



* DirtyCoward: Joffrey's stupidity is rivaled only by his cowardice and he turns into a sniveling wreck whenever he's in actual personal danger.

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* DirtyCoward: Joffrey's stupidity cruelty is rivaled only by his cowardice and he turns into a sniveling wreck whenever he's in actual personal danger.
14th Nov '16 5:08:48 PM moongalleon22
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** His hatred for Rhaegar and the Targaryens is so intense that he didn't blink an eye when the corpses of Rhaegar's children were presented to him, despite their death was absolutely[ [FamilyUnfriendlyDeath gratuitous and awfully brutal]], while in the present days he's perfectly fine to have pregnant child bride Daenerys murdered. This has strained his relationship with Ned more than once, since [[WouldNotHurtAChild Ned]] '''strongly''' disapproves said deeds.

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** His hatred for Rhaegar and the Targaryens is so intense that he didn't blink an eye when the corpses of Rhaegar's children were presented to him, despite their death was absolutely[ [FamilyUnfriendlyDeath absolutely [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath gratuitous and awfully brutal]], while in the present days he's perfectly fine to have pregnant child bride Daenerys murdered. This has strained his relationship with Ned more than once, since [[WouldNotHurtAChild Ned]] '''strongly''' disapproves said deeds.
6th Nov '16 11:12:32 AM leraluna
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** Understanding how out of his depths he was when it came to politics, he wanted to abdicate the throne, head for Essos and become a sellsword so he could do what he was good at: Warring. The only thing that keeps him from leaving is the thought of [[TheCaligula Joffrey]] sitting on the throne with [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Cersei whispering in his ear]]. Considering the mess those two made of things after his death, staying was the right thing to do.
* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Going to the crypt to visit Lyanna's grave without seeing to his family's accommodations. He rants to Ned about [[TheHedonist how great life in the South is]].

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** Understanding how out of his depths he was when it came to politics, he wanted to abdicate the throne, head for Essos and become a sellsword so he could do what he was good at: Warring. The only thing that keeps him from leaving is the thought of [[TheCaligula [[RoyalBrat Joffrey]] sitting on the throne with [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Cersei whispering in his ear]]. Considering the mess those two made of things after his death, staying was the right thing to do.
* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Going to the crypt to visit [[TheLostLenore Lyanna's grave grave]] without seeing to his family's accommodations. He rants to Ned about [[TheHedonist how great life in the South is]].



* FourStarBadass: One of the best.

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* FourStarBadass: One of the best.best of his generation. His famous skills as a warrior and general earned most of the respect people have for him, despite eventually proving to be a less competent ruler.



* {{Irony}}: His entire life seems a huge prank by the gods.
** Leads a war to rescue his kidnapped fiancee. She dies during the war and he ends up stuck with a kingship and a wife he didn't want,
** Despite his achievements and being a good warrior and war leader, he is poor king material in peacetime,
** Fathered plenty of bastards, but his only trueborn offspring are actually ''his wife's'' bastards.



* LovingAShadow: Even years after her death, Robert is still in love with [[TheLostLenore Lyanna Stark]] (or at least the impression he had of her before his rebellion). It's heavily implied that the reason he never got over her it's because he never got to live the reality of marriage with her, not to mention that had he ever got her back like he wished, their marriage would be ruined anyway since there would be Rhaegar's ghost always between them and Robert may have not stopped his sleeping around. And as things turned sour with Cersei, he keeps pining for a woman he actually never knew intimately. This is lampshaded by Ned when Robert has a quarrel with Cersei in ''Literature/AGameOfThrones'':

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* LovingAShadow: Even years after her death, Robert is still in love with [[TheLostLenore Lyanna Stark]] (or at least the impression he had of her before his rebellion). It's heavily implied that the reason he never got over her it's because he never got to live the reality of marriage with her, not to mention that had he ever got her back like he wished, their marriage would be ruined anyway since there would be Lyanna spent ''months'' with Rhaegar, and [[PresenceAbsence Rhaegar's ghost would be always between them and them]]. Also Robert may have not stopped his sleeping around.around, as Lyanna suggested to Ned. And as things turned sour with Cersei, he keeps pining for a woman he actually never knew intimately. This is lampshaded by Ned when Robert has a quarrel with Cersei in ''Literature/AGameOfThrones'':



* KickTheDog: Varys sends his bastard Edric Storm presents every year under the guise of it being Robert. When Edric writes Robert with thanks, Robert just laughs and asks Varys what he sent this year.

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* KickTheDog: KickTheDog:
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Varys sends his bastard Edric Storm presents every year under the guise of it being Robert. When Edric writes Robert with thanks, Robert just laughs and asks Varys what he sent this year.



** His hatred for Rhaegar and the Targaryens is so intense that he didn't blink an eye when the corpses of Rhaegar's children were presented to him, despite their death was absolutely[ [FamilyUnfriendlyDeath gratuitous and awfully brutal]], while in the present days he's perfectly fine to have pregnant child bride Daenerys murdered. This has strained his relationship with Ned more than once, since [[WouldNotHurtAChild Ned]] '''strongly''' disapproves said deeds.



* OldFriend: To Ned Stark.

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* OldFriend: To Ned Stark. They both were fostered at the Eyrie by Jon Arryn and spent their teens together until the Rebellion.



* DeadpanSnarker: She's a ''Lannister'' and sister to two of the funniest POV to read, so she ought to be this. She even says it herself:
-->'''Cersei:''' I assure you, when I make a jest, men laugh.



** She's also jealous of Lyanna Stark, despite having never met her and Lyanna being dead. Robert made the great affront of spurning her in favour of his late fiancee's memory making their already ill-matched marriage even worse. Also, Lyanna happened to be the object of Rhaegar Targaryen's affection, for whom Cersei [[PrecociousCrush had a huge crush]] and was almost betrothed to, and she still believes that if Rhaegar married her, he wouldn't have looked towards the Stark girl.

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** She's also jealous of Lyanna Stark, despite Lyanna having been dead for over a decade and the two of them never met her and Lyanna being dead. personally met. Robert made the great affront of spurning her in favour of his late fiancee's fiancée's memory making [[AwfulWeddedLife their already ill-matched marriage even worse. worse]]. Also, Lyanna happened to be the object of Rhaegar Targaryen's affection, for whom Cersei [[PrecociousCrush had harboured a huge crush]] and crush since childhood]], which she quite never got over, was almost betrothed to, to him, and she still believes that if Rhaegar married her, he wouldn't have looked towards the Stark girl.girl twice. So basically she was spurned by both the men she was set to marry in favour of this girl, a thing she could be hardly blamed for.
3rd Nov '16 10:20:33 AM WaryHoglet
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* JerkAss: The poster child. He is a spoiled child, so stupid is as stupid does... only that he takes it up to eleven.

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* JerkAss: The poster child. He is a spoiled child, so stupid is as stupid does... only that he takes it up to eleven.UpToEleven.
28th Oct '16 1:32:38 PM WaryHoglet
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* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: {{Invoked}} and subverted. Sansa thinks he's so beautiful, kind, noble, just like the KnightInShiningArmour she always dreamed of and often references his beautiful golden hair. His "beauty" is just a coverup for his completely insane and rotten personality.

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* HairOfGoldHeartOfGold: {{Invoked}} and subverted. Sansa originally thinks he's so beautiful, kind, noble, just like the KnightInShiningArmour she always dreamed of and often references his beautiful golden hair. His "beauty" is just a coverup for his completely insane and rotten personality.
17th Oct '16 5:26:16 PM MrThorfan64
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** The main issue seems to be that while Cersei is effective at ''gaining'' power, her inability to wield said power effectively means she has difficulty ''keeping'' it.

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** The main issue seems to be that while Cersei is effective at ''gaining'' power, her inability to wield said power effectively means she has difficulty ''keeping'' it. This is due to her father handling the political side, but after his death Cersei takes charge and shows she hasn't inherited his political cunning.



* TheCaligula: A list of Joffrey's senselessly cruel acts would fill up the whole page.

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* TheCaligula: A list of Joffrey's senselessly cruel acts would fill up the whole page. In the TV Series he even reassembles Caligula.



* EvilNephew: One of the best examples in Literature. Delights in bullying his uncle Tyrion and even tries to have him killed.

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* EvilNephew: One of the best examples in Literature. Delights in bullying his uncle Tyrion and even tries to have him killed.killed (possibly), and threatens to rape their wife, his aunt through marriage.



** To Maegor the Cruel. Both usurped the throne after their mothers murdered their predecessors, and prove to be monstrous tyrants, finally dying mysteriously.
** To Robb Stark. Both become Kings at a young age but while Robb quickly proves a heroic, brave and brilliant commander, Joffrey is an incompotent coward who delights in cruelty. Also both [[spoiler:are murdered at weddings.]]



* FreudianExcuse: Considering his two younger siblings are genuinely nice people, it's implied that part of the reason he's such an (literal) evil bastard was a combination of being Crown Prince, Cersei passing down her twisted ideas of what kingship is, and Robert's whoring, boasting about his war kills, abuse of Cersei, and neglect.

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* FreudianExcuse: Considering his two younger siblings are genuinely nice people, it's implied that part of the reason he's such an (literal) evil bastard was a combination of being Crown Prince, Cersei passing down her twisted ideas of what kingship is, and Robert's whoring, boasting about his war kills, abuse of Cersei, and neglect. Even after Robert's death Cersei continues to encourage his behaviour, seeing nothing wrong with it.
8th Oct '16 3:02:45 AM surgoshan
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* TheSociopath: It gets to the point that his father thinks [[spoiler:he deserved to die for being so vile]].

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* TheSociopath: It gets to the point that his father thinks [[spoiler:he deserved to die for being so vile]]. Martin clearly intended to write this trope true to life, with Joffrey's sociopathy always present, as Cersei mentions in ''A Storm of Swords'' that Robert once knocked out a few of his baby teeth over "some business with a cat".
7th Oct '16 6:30:58 AM Silverblade2
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** StoutStrength: Even still, he could still carry that hammer of his easily enough and could skewer a wild boar. He'd just be a bit more winded afterwards.



** HeWhoFightsMonsters: Part of the reason he fought was because of the Targaryens' ruthlessness in dealing with their enemies. He's the same way when it comes to dealing with the Targaryens.

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** * HeWhoFightsMonsters: Part of the reason he fought was because of the Targaryens' ruthlessness in dealing with their enemies. He's the same way when it comes to dealing with the Targaryens.



* StoutStrength: Even still, he could still carry that hammer of his easily enough and could skewer a wild boar. He'd just be a bit more winded afterwards.



* [[HoistByHisOwnPetard Hoist By Her Own Petard]]: Her [[spoiler: reinstatement of the Faith Militant and plot to remove Margaery]] backfires spectacularly. [[spoiler:Two of her confidants of House Kettleblack get arrested for sleeping with her, she gets accused of murder (which she organised) of both her late husband and the High Septon that replaced the one killed in the second book, then detained by the Faith Militant, then forced through a HumiliationConga and told that she will be stripped of power, regardless of the trial's outcome]].

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* [[HoistByHisOwnPetard Hoist By Her Own Petard]]: HoistByHisOwnPetard: Her [[spoiler: reinstatement of the Faith Militant and plot to remove Margaery]] backfires spectacularly. [[spoiler:Two of her confidants of House Kettleblack get arrested for sleeping with her, she gets accused of murder (which she organised) of both her late husband and the High Septon that replaced the one killed in the second book, then detained by the Faith Militant, then forced through a HumiliationConga and told that she will be stripped of power, regardless of the trial's outcome]].



* [[LikeFatherLikeSon Like Father Like Daughter]]: Subverted. Cersei appears to be a cunning Lannister like Tywin, but her acts as regent and her POV reveal that she is a proud, unbalanced fool who doesn't deserve to be compared to her father.

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* [[LikeFatherLikeSon Like Father Like Daughter]]: LikeFatherLikeSon: Subverted. Cersei appears to be a cunning Lannister like Tywin, but her acts as regent and her POV reveal that she is a proud, unbalanced fool who doesn't deserve to be compared to her father.



* BreakTheCutie: [[spoiler: She is disfigured during a failed assassination attempt.]]
* TheBusCameBack: In the fourth book, she appears once again, as part of the story started to be situated in Dorne.



** BreakTheCutie: [[spoiler: She is disfigured during a failed assassination attempt.]]



** TheBusCameBack: In the fourth book, she appears once again, as part of the story started to be situated in Dorne.



* [[WiseBeyondHisYears Wise Beyond Her Years]]: Arianne mentions in ''Feast for Crows'' that Myrcella is much smarter than what she should be for her age, [[spoiler: which is part of why she wants her crowned as queen of Westeros.]]

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* [[WiseBeyondHisYears Wise Beyond Her Years]]: WiseBeyondHisYears: Arianne mentions in ''Feast for Crows'' that Myrcella is much smarter than what she should be for her age, [[spoiler: which is part of why she wants her crowned as queen of Westeros.]]
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