History CharacterDerailment / VideoGames

6th Dec '16 12:19:01 AM matteste
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** YHVH, well known in the franchise as the embodiment of the Law alignment. A TautologicalTemplar of the worst order, he is usually portrayed as someone whose law is the only law and is incapable of acknowledge any other view. But as a result of that, He is also portrayed as someone who believes their existence so absolute that everyone else should fear and submit to Him and that He himself should fear none, best shown when He challenges those He views as sinners to step forward. In ''Apocalypse'' meanwhile He is portrayed as something of a petty coward who is just full of empty words, afraid of humanity, who seems to [[StrawHypocrite not even believe His own words]] which He preach. And when he get's demonized, instead of shouting words of rage and hatred, or delivering a DyingCurse, he is left [[AintTooProudToBeg begging for his existence]].

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** YHVH, well known in the franchise as the embodiment of the Law alignment. A TautologicalTemplar of the worst order, he is usually portrayed as someone whose law is the only law and is incapable of acknowledge any other view. But as a result of that, He is also portrayed as someone who believes their existence so absolute that everyone else should fear and submit to Him and that He himself should fear none, best shown when He challenges those He views as sinners to step forward. In ''Apocalypse'' meanwhile He is portrayed as something of a petty coward who is just full of empty words, afraid of humanity, who seems to [[StrawHypocrite not even believe His own words]] which He preach. And when he get's demonized, instead of shouting words of rage and hatred, or delivering a DyingCurse, he is left [[AintTooProudToBeg begging for his existence]]. And in terms of goals, He might as well be a different character altogether. Typically, YHVH desires to create a kingdom for His chosen under His rule where evil does not exist and everyone are equal (the problem usually tend to be what happens to those not among his chosen ones). In Apocalypse meanwhile he simply seems to have no real endgame goal, only being concerned with keeping the ForeverWar between Law and Chaos going on in a vain attempt to make His side look better.
2nd Dec '16 12:34:48 PM matteste
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** YHVH, well known in the franchise as the embodiment of the Law alignment. A TautologicalTemplar of the worst order, he is usually portrayed as someone whose law is the only law and is incapable of acknowledge any other view. But as a result of that, He is also portrayed as someone who believes their existence so absolute that everyone else should fear and submit to Him and that He himself should fear none, best shown when He challenges those He views as sinners to step forward. In ''Apocalypse'' meanwhile He is portrayed as something of a petty coward who is just full of empty words, afraid of humanity, who seems to [[StrawHypocrite not even believe His own words]] which He preach.

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** YHVH, well known in the franchise as the embodiment of the Law alignment. A TautologicalTemplar of the worst order, he is usually portrayed as someone whose law is the only law and is incapable of acknowledge any other view. But as a result of that, He is also portrayed as someone who believes their existence so absolute that everyone else should fear and submit to Him and that He himself should fear none, best shown when He challenges those He views as sinners to step forward. In ''Apocalypse'' meanwhile He is portrayed as something of a petty coward who is just full of empty words, afraid of humanity, who seems to [[StrawHypocrite not even believe His own words]] which He preach. And when he get's demonized, instead of shouting words of rage and hatred, or delivering a DyingCurse, he is left [[AintTooProudToBeg begging for his existence]].
16th Nov '16 11:01:35 PM ChrisX
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** Related is what happened to Tyrande Whisperwind in ''Mists of Pandaria''. In ''Warcraft III'' she's established as the leader of the night elven Sentinels, someone with over ten ''thousand'' years of combat experience. Tyrande can still be hot-headed, but tactical about it. But in the quest "A Little Patience" her great idea is to charge a fortified Horde position, leading Varian Wrynn, a forty-year-old warmonger, to suggest a better plan that ends with no Alliance casualties. So like Jaina, Tyrande's character had to take a hit so that Blizzard could try and make the reviled King Wrynn more tolerable. The fact that these derailed characters are both female leads to some UnfortunateImplications. The only damage-mitigation Blizzard could give for both Jaina and Tyrande is to portray them as their pro-peace self and tactical self from their pre-[=WoW=] self in ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm'', though Tyrande might get something better in ''Legion''.

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** Related is what happened to Tyrande Whisperwind in ''Mists of Pandaria''. In ''Warcraft III'' she's established as the leader of the night elven Sentinels, someone with over ten ''thousand'' years of combat experience. Tyrande can still be hot-headed, but tactical about it. But in the quest "A Little Patience" her great idea is to charge a fortified Horde position, leading Varian Wrynn, a forty-year-old warmonger, to suggest a better plan that ends with no Alliance casualties. So like Jaina, Tyrande's character had to take a hit so that Blizzard could try and make the reviled King Wrynn more tolerable. The fact that these derailed characters are both female leads to some UnfortunateImplications. The only damage-mitigation Blizzard could give for both Jaina and Tyrande is to portray them as their pro-peace self and tactical self from their pre-[=WoW=] self in ''VideoGame/HeroesOfTheStorm'', though in ''Legion'', Tyrande might ''did'' get something better in ''Legion''.than her performance at "A Little Patience". [[spoiler:Though it involves her having to kill a corrupted, beloved Dragon Aspect...]]
31st Oct '16 7:20:34 AM matteste
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* The direct sequel, ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'', ends up derailing some more.
** YHVH, well known in the franchise as the embodiment of the Law alignment. A TautologicalTemplar of the worst order, he is usually portrayed as someone whose law is the only law and is incapable of acknowledge any other view. But as a result of that, He is also portrayed as someone who believes their existence so absolute that everyone else should fear and submit to Him and that He himself should fear none, best shown when He challenges those He views as sinners to step forward. In ''Apocalypse'' meanwhile He is portrayed as something of a petty coward who is just full of empty words, afraid of humanity, who seems to [[StrawHypocrite not even believe His own words]] which He preach.
16th Sep '16 1:01:57 AM SuperFeatherYoshi
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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' does this through {{Railroading}}. The game really wants you to make a HeroicSacrifice and walk into a lethally irradiated room, and while you can be a bastard and have an unambiguously good NPC take your place, ''none'' of your followers are willing to do so. Clover, the slave girl mentally conditioned to do absolutely anything her "owner" wants? Refuses. Charon, a ghoul assassin with a similar mentality? Not in his contract. Fawkes, a morally-upright and heroic super mutant who more importantly ''is immune to the radiation''? Claims it's not his "destiny." Happily, the ''Broken Steel'' DLC [[AuthorsSavingThrow fixes this]], and Fawkes even hangs a nice {{lampshade}} on the fact that he's perfect for the job.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' does this through {{Railroading}}. The game really wants you to make a HeroicSacrifice and walk into a lethally irradiated room, and while you can be a bastard and have an unambiguously good NPC take your place, ''none'' of your followers are willing to do so. Clover, the slave girl mentally conditioned to do absolutely anything her "owner" wants? Refuses. Charon, a ghoul assassin with a similar mentality? mentality (and, being a ghoul, ''immunity to radiation'')? Not in his contract. Fawkes, a morally-upright and heroic super mutant who more importantly ''is immune to has the radiation''? same immunity to radiation? Claims it's not his "destiny." "destiny". Happily, the ''Broken Steel'' DLC [[AuthorsSavingThrow fixes this]], and Fawkes even hangs a nice {{lampshade}} on the fact that he's perfect for the job.
15th Sep '16 6:29:48 AM SuperFeatherYoshi
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** K in general is horrible at handling characterization. [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer Selene McGriff]], a civilian pilot with no interest in fighting, is depicted as more than happy to ram her Stargazer Gundam (a mobile suit that isn't even designed for combat) into anyone who gets in her way. [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Yuna Roma Seiran]], a comically ineffectual leader in the anime, is surprisingly competent in the game. [[Anime/ShinkonGattaiGodannar Goh Saruwatari]], a straightforward and serious veteran pilot, does a naked dance at the post-campaign celebration, something he ''never'' would have done in-canon. Especially considering that the celebration takes place after [[Anime/FafnerInTheAzureDeadAggressor Soushi Minashiro]] '''sacrificed his life''' to defeat the BigBad.
20th Aug '16 11:32:50 AM Tuckerscreator
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** The Didact, the leader of the [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]]. When introduced in the terminals of ''Halo 3'', he was characterized as a noble idealist fighting [[OurZombiesAreDifferent the Flood]], refusing to fire the Halos that would kill the Flood alongside everything else in the galaxy. But his attempts to find a more humane solution failed, and eventually he was forced to fire to them at the cost of the end of Forerunner civilization. ''Literature/HaloCryptum'' went with this characterization, portraying him as a great KingInTheMountain, [[WartsAndAll with some unfortunate prejudices]] but ultimately wiser and better intentioned than the other Forerunner leaders. But then came ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', which turned him into the villain. And not just any villain, but a DarthVaderClone with glowing skull armor and vampire fangs who wanted to genocide humanity. His objections to using the Halos became out of wanting to keep the Forerunners' supremacy, not to not sacrifice innocents. And then he went ''even further'' in ''ComicBook/HaloEscalation'', where he outright abandoned his principles and tried to use a Halo on humanity. Needless to say, [[Literature/HaloSilentium the last book]] of ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' had some complex explaining to do to reconcile the opposing portrayals, including {{Retcon}}ing ''Halo 3'''s Didact into a clone of the original (though to be fair, the clone part had already been set up by ''Cryptum'', which showed the Didact putting a copy of his personality inside another Forerunner).

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** The Didact, the leader of the [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]]. When introduced in the terminals of ''Halo 3'', he was characterized as a noble idealist fighting [[OurZombiesAreDifferent the Flood]], refusing to fire the Halos that would kill the Flood alongside everything else in the galaxy. But his attempts to find a more humane solution failed, and eventually he was forced to fire to them at the cost of the end of Forerunner civilization. ''Literature/HaloCryptum'' went with this characterization, portraying him as a great KingInTheMountain, [[WartsAndAll with some unfortunate prejudices]] but ultimately wiser and better intentioned than the other Forerunner leaders. But then came ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', which turned him into the villain. And not just any villain, but a DarthVaderClone with glowing skull armor and vampire fangs who wanted to genocide humanity. His objections to using the Halos became out of wanting to keep the Forerunners' supremacy, not to not sacrifice innocents. And then he went ''even further'' in ''ComicBook/HaloEscalation'', where he outright abandoned his principles and tried to use a Halo on humanity. Needless to say, [[Literature/HaloSilentium the last book]] of ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' had some complex explaining to do to reconcile the opposing portrayals, including {{Retcon}}ing ''Halo 3'''s Didact into a clone of the original (though to be fair, the clone part had already been set up by ''Cryptum'', which showed the Didact putting a copy of his personality inside another Forerunner).original.
11th Aug '16 10:50:14 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** The Prophet of Truth, when introduced in ''{{VideoGame/Halo 2}}'', was shown to be a cunning ruler of the Covenant who was secretly manipulating them for his own purposes. Getting the silky smooth voice of MichaelWincott helped as well. But for whatever reason Wincott chose not to reprise the role in ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'', and either because of that or regardless Truth became ''way'' less sane in the following game. He was now voiced by TerenceStamp, and his calm conniving manner was replaced with a hoarse yelling dogmatist without any hidden motives. The result that he just ended up sounding like a clone of the Prophet of Regret, Truth's hot-blooded partner (who he betrayed in ''Halo 2''.)
** The Didact, the leader of the [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]]. When introduced in the terminals of ''Halo 3'', he was characterized as a noble idealist fighting [[OurZombiesAreDifferent the Flood]], refusing to fire the Halos that would kill the Flood alongside everything else in the galaxy. But his attempts to find a more humane solution failed, and eventually he was forced to fire to them at the cost of the end of Forerunner civilization. ''Literature/HaloCryptum'' went with this characterization, portraying as a great KingInTheMountain, [[WartsAndAll with some unfortunate prejudices]] but ultimately wiser and better intentioned than the other Forerunner leaders. But then came ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', which turned him into the villain. And not just any villain, but a DarthVaderClone with glowing skull armor and vampire fangs who wanted to genocide humanity. His objections to using the Halos became out of wanting to keep the Forerunners' supremacy, not to not sacrifice innocents. And then he went ''even further'' in ''ComicBook/HaloEscalation'', where he outright abandoned his principles and tried to use a Halo on humanity. Needless to say, [[Literature/HaloSilentium the last book]] of Literature/TheForerunnerSaga had some complex explaining to do to reconcile the opposing portrayals, including {{Retcon}}ing ''Halo 3'''s Didact into a clone of the original.

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** The Prophet of Truth, when introduced in ''{{VideoGame/Halo 2}}'', was shown to be a cunning ruler of the Covenant who was secretly manipulating them for his own purposes. Getting the silky smooth voice of MichaelWincott Creator/MichaelWincott helped as well. But for whatever reason Wincott chose not to reprise the role in ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'', and either whether because of that or regardless not, Truth became ''way'' less sane in the following game. He was now voiced by TerenceStamp, Creator/TerenceStamp, and his calm conniving manner was replaced with a hoarse yelling dogmatist without any hidden motives. The result being that he just ended up sounding like a clone of the Prophet of Regret, Truth's hot-blooded partner (who he betrayed in ''Halo 2''.)
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** The Didact, the leader of the [[{{Precursors}} Forerunners]]. When introduced in the terminals of ''Halo 3'', he was characterized as a noble idealist fighting [[OurZombiesAreDifferent the Flood]], refusing to fire the Halos that would kill the Flood alongside everything else in the galaxy. But his attempts to find a more humane solution failed, and eventually he was forced to fire to them at the cost of the end of Forerunner civilization. ''Literature/HaloCryptum'' went with this characterization, portraying him as a great KingInTheMountain, [[WartsAndAll with some unfortunate prejudices]] but ultimately wiser and better intentioned than the other Forerunner leaders. But then came ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', which turned him into the villain. And not just any villain, but a DarthVaderClone with glowing skull armor and vampire fangs who wanted to genocide humanity. His objections to using the Halos became out of wanting to keep the Forerunners' supremacy, not to not sacrifice innocents. And then he went ''even further'' in ''ComicBook/HaloEscalation'', where he outright abandoned his principles and tried to use a Halo on humanity. Needless to say, [[Literature/HaloSilentium the last book]] of Literature/TheForerunnerSaga ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'' had some complex explaining to do to reconcile the opposing portrayals, including {{Retcon}}ing ''Halo 3'''s Didact into a clone of the original.original (though to be fair, the clone part had already been set up by ''Cryptum'', which showed the Didact putting a copy of his personality inside another Forerunner).
31st Jul '16 3:17:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* The junkyard dogfish in the first ''FreddiFish'' game was your typical kind of AngryGuardDog: the kind that growls at you and refuses to let you pass without any distractions. Cut to a long SequelGap in ''[[PanderingToTheBase ABCs Under the Sea]]'', where he becomes a BigFriendlyDog willing to help Freddi and Luther sort out the trash. He still looks like an AngryGuardDog, so that only makes it worse.

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* The junkyard dogfish in the first ''FreddiFish'' ''VideoGame/FreddiFish'' game was your typical kind of AngryGuardDog: the kind that growls at you and refuses to let you pass without any distractions. Cut to a long SequelGap in ''[[PanderingToTheBase ABCs Under the Sea]]'', where he becomes a BigFriendlyDog willing to help Freddi and Luther sort out the trash. He still looks like an AngryGuardDog, so that only makes it worse.
10th Jul '16 9:12:31 PM Loekman3
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** Stephen is more subtle but still noticeable. Being based on the real Creator/StephenHawking, namely his belief that gods might exist but that humans don't need them, in IV he instead is trying to make the player revive the goddess of Tokyo, going completely against his past humanist standing.

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** Stephen is more subtle but still noticeable. Being based on the real Creator/StephenHawking, namely his belief that gods might exist but that humans don't need them, in IV he instead is trying to make the player revive the goddess of Tokyo, going completely against his past humanist standing.standing.
* When we first see Scarecrow in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum'', he is shown to be an AxCrazy GigglingVillain who always acts overdramatic very much like his comic book counterpart. But then when he reappears in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' [[TheOtherDarrin with a new voice actor]], his personality did a complete 180 turn and now he is a SoftSpokenSadist who has a penchant for CreepyMonotone HannibalLecture and did not laugh at least once. The only hand-wave that comes from his sudden change is that he got brutally mauled by Killer Croc in their previous confrontation.
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