History CharacterDerailment / VideoGames

22nd Nov '17 2:19:20 PM Ulkomaalainen
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*** Somewhat understandable as the main writer for the AI characters in the second game, Chris L'Etoile, did not return for the third game and mentioned[[http://www.holdtheline.com/threads/me2-writer-chris-letoile-on-the-ai-characters-and-the-reapers.4229/ in an interview]] to have been unhappy with all the changes [[ExecutiveMeddling forced upon him]] to make the AI characters more "[[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove emotional]]" (which he derisively took to mean [[BecomeARealBoy "more like humans"]]), despite being creatures supposedly of pure ''logic''.

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*** Somewhat understandable as the main writer for the AI characters in the second game, Chris L'Etoile, did not return for the third game and mentioned[[http://www.mentioned [[http://www.holdtheline.com/threads/me2-writer-chris-letoile-on-the-ai-characters-and-the-reapers.4229/ in an interview]] to have been unhappy with all the changes [[ExecutiveMeddling forced upon him]] to make the AI characters more "[[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove emotional]]" (which he derisively took to mean [[BecomeARealBoy "more like humans"]]), despite being creatures supposedly of pure ''logic''.
22nd Nov '17 2:18:13 PM Ulkomaalainen
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** How about Cerberus' top hitman Kai Leng, Who when introduced in Retribution, comes off as ruthless, intelligent and quite the manipulator. Come his appearances in ''Literature/MassEffectDeception'' and ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Leng is stripped of any of his more engaging traits and is little more then his boss' named EliteMook.

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** How about Cerberus' top hitman Kai Leng, Who when introduced in Retribution, comes off as ruthless, intelligent and quite the manipulator. Come his appearances in ''Literature/MassEffectDeception'' and ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Leng is stripped of any of his more engaging traits and is little more then than his boss' named EliteMook.
22nd Nov '17 2:16:31 PM Ulkomaalainen
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** Despite this, the decision to send anyone other than yourself into the chamber is referred to as cowardly. That's right, you're referred to as a coward if you take the completely logical choice that harms nobody rather than making a pointless and absolutely unnecessary sacrifice. You can see why some of the die-hard fans consider this game to be a major step down from the previous entries in the series.

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** Despite this, the decision to send anyone other than yourself into the chamber is referred to as cowardly. That's right, you're referred to as a coward if you take the completely logical choice that harms nobody rather than making a pointless and absolutely unnecessary sacrifice. You can see why some of the die-hard fans consider this game to be a major step down from the previous entries in the series.
12th Oct '17 3:21:01 PM mogryo
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* Sima Yi of ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' is depicted as a MagnificentBastard who regarded everyone else as imbeciles. When his wife, Zhang Chuahua, was introduced in the eight game as a playable character, Sima Yi was devolved into a HenpeckedHusband who easily cowers whenever his wife reminds him. Historically, Sima Yi was indeed wary of his wife but many fans agreed that his fear of her is somewhat exaggerated in the game.
* Sebastian Castellanos of ''VideoGame/TheEvilWithin'' was mostly flat-toned and emotionless in the first game but gained a lot more emotion in the sequel.

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* Sima Yi of ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' is depicted as a MagnificentBastard who regarded everyone else as imbeciles. When his wife, Zhang Chuahua, was introduced in the eight game as a playable character, Sima Yi was devolved into a HenpeckedHusband who easily cowers whenever his wife reminds him. Historically, Sima Yi was indeed wary of his wife but many fans agreed that his fear of her is somewhat exaggerated in the game.
* Sebastian Castellanos of ''VideoGame/TheEvilWithin'' was mostly flat-toned and emotionless in the first game but gained a lot more emotion in the sequel.
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10th Oct '17 1:07:35 PM shooterboss
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* Sima Yi of ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' is depicted as a MagnificentBastard who regarded everyone else as imbeciles. When his wife, Zhang Chuahua, was introduced in the eight game as a playable character, Sima Yi was devolved into a HenpeckedHusband who easily cowers whenever his wife reminds him. Historically, Sima Yi was indeed wary of his wife but many fans agreed that his fear of her is somewhat exaggerated in the game.

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* Sima Yi of ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' is depicted as a MagnificentBastard who regarded everyone else as imbeciles. When his wife, Zhang Chuahua, was introduced in the eight game as a playable character, Sima Yi was devolved into a HenpeckedHusband who easily cowers whenever his wife reminds him. Historically, Sima Yi was indeed wary of his wife but many fans agreed that his fear of her is somewhat exaggerated in the game.game.
* Sebastian Castellanos of ''VideoGame/TheEvilWithin'' was mostly flat-toned and emotionless in the first game but gained a lot more emotion in the sequel.
25th Sep '17 12:42:12 PM Isaac_Heller
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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' derails Belle and the Beast in the same way that they get derailed in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeastTheEnchantedChristmas'', with Belle resignedly and meekly accepting the Beast blaming her for Xaldin stealing the rose, when in the [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast original movie]] she would never have put up with the Beast's jerkassery and the Beast stops being a jerk to her entirely after she calls him out on it.

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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' derails Belle and the Beast in the same way that they get derailed in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeastTheEnchantedChristmas'', with Belle resignedly and meekly accepting the Beast blaming her for Xaldin stealing the rose, when in the [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast original movie]] she would never have put up with the Beast's jerkassery and the Beast stops being a jerk to her entirely after she calls him out on it.
17th Sep '17 11:26:25 AM nombretomado
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** Though ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'' was a ContestedSequel, one of the most commonly praised elements was its handling of Cortana, your faithful AI buddy for the past ten years, as she reaches the end of her lifespan and struggles to keep helping you while her digital "body" slowly fails. As for ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'', [[spoiler:not only does she turn out to not have died, but she's gone mad with power and wants to enforce PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower on ''the entire galaxy''. The game ends with her launching an attack on Earth, after having killed numerous people on all the colonies she unearthed Guardians on. In short, she's gone from helpful AI companion to an OmnicidalManiac, all the change in personality happening offscreen, and making all the Chief's attempts to save her from rampancy in ''Halo 4'' feel in vain.]]

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** Though ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'' was a ContestedSequel, one of the most commonly praised elements was its handling of Cortana, your faithful AI buddy for the past ten years, as she reaches the end of her lifespan and struggles to keep helping you while her digital "body" slowly fails. As for ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'', [[spoiler:not only does she turn out to not have died, but she's gone mad with power and wants to enforce PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower UsefulNotes/PeaceThroughSuperiorFirepower on ''the entire galaxy''. The game ends with her launching an attack on Earth, after having killed numerous people on all the colonies she unearthed Guardians on. In short, she's gone from helpful AI companion to an OmnicidalManiac, all the change in personality happening offscreen, and making all the Chief's attempts to save her from rampancy in ''Halo 4'' feel in vain.]]
27th Aug '17 12:30:48 PM NNinja
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** Ema Skye first appeared in the [[UpdatedRerelease DS version exclusive]] Case 1-5 and was introduced as an upbeat, cheerful girl with a [[DarkAndTroubledPast dark past]] and an '''intense''' love for forensic science. At the end of the case, she left to study forensic science abroad. When she reappears seven years later, she takes over the role of the detective of the game. The girl who was so into science became a police detective instead. In-Universe, it's [[HandWave explained]] that she ''did'' take the test to become part of the forensic science team, but failed. She still retains her love for forensic science, but even that seems to have taken a damper and she isn't as wide-eyed about it as she used to be, and outside of those few moments, she comes across as an extremely bitter young woman who didn't get the job she wanted and decides to just mope about it, doing a half-assed job, instead of trying to change things. Her personality gets better in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'' where she finally passes her exam and becomes the forensics scientist she strived to be.
26th Aug '17 11:32:10 AM Motherdragon64
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** Despite this, the decision to send anyone other than yourself into the chamber is referred to as cowardly. That's right, you're referred to as a coward if you take the completely logical choice that harms nobody rather than making a pointless and absolutely unnecessary sacrifice. You can see why some of the die-hard fans consider this to be a major step-down from the previous entries in the series.

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** Despite this, the decision to send anyone other than yourself into the chamber is referred to as cowardly. That's right, you're referred to as a coward if you take the completely logical choice that harms nobody rather than making a pointless and absolutely unnecessary sacrifice. You can see why some of the die-hard fans consider this game to be a major step-down step down from the previous entries in the series.
25th Aug '17 11:31:03 PM Motherdragon64
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** The recurring nemesis Bowser switches back and forth from a vicious warlord into a simply grumpy and ineffectual villain in the ''Mario'' spinoffs with no explanation. A few of the main games, such as ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'', try to reconcile the radically different portrayals. Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto has admitted there is no continuity whatsoever between games, so he can be free to do whatever he wants in each game without being bound by canon. Bowser is whatever the story needs him to be, be it AffablyEvil, NotEvilJustMisunderstood, or [[GoKartingWithBowser some guy to go-kart with]].
** Peach was originally a very wise and magnanimous MsExposition, but by ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'', she becomes a [[TheDitz ditzy]] DamselInDistress. Later spinoffs and ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' re-rail her by meeting these personalities in the middle making her a strong-willed (but still a bit ditzy) ActionGirl.

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** The recurring nemesis Bowser switches back and forth from a vicious warlord into a simply grumpy and ineffectual villain in the ''Mario'' spinoffs with no little-to-no explanation. A few of the main games, such as ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'', try to reconcile the radically different portrayals. Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto has admitted that there is no continuity whatsoever between games, so he can be free to do whatever he wants in each game without being bound by canon. Bowser is whatever the story needs him to be, be it AffablyEvil, NotEvilJustMisunderstood, or [[GoKartingWithBowser just some guy to go-kart with]].
** Princess Peach (also known as [[{{Woolseyism}} Toadstool]]) was originally a very wise and magnanimous MsExposition, but by ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'', she becomes a [[TheDitz ditzy]] DamselInDistress. Later spinoffs and ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DWorld'' re-rail her by meeting these personalities in the middle making her a strong-willed (but still a bit ditzy) ActionGirl.



* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' does this through {{Railroading}}. The game really wants you to make a HeroicSacrifice and walk into a lethally irradiated room, and while you can be a bastard and have an unambiguously good NPC take your place, ''none'' of your followers are willing to do so. Clover, the slave girl mentally conditioned to do absolutely anything her "owner" wants? Refuses. Charon, a ghoul assassin with a similar mentality (and, being a ghoul, ''immunity to radiation'')? Not in his contract. Fawkes, a morally-upright and heroic super mutant who has the same immunity to radiation? Claims it's not his "destiny". Happily, the ''Broken Steel'' DLC [[AuthorsSavingThrow fixes this]], and Fawkes even hangs a nice {{lampshade}} on the fact that he's perfect for the job.
** Despite this, the decision to send anyone other than yourself into the chamber is referred to as cowardly. That's right, you're referred to as a coward if you take the completely logical choice that harms nobody rather than making a pointless and absolutely unnecessary sacrifice.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' does this through {{Railroading}}. The game really wants you to make a HeroicSacrifice and walk into a lethally irradiated room, and while you can be a bastard and have an the unambiguously good NPC Sarah Lyons take your place, absolutely ''none'' of your followers are willing to do so. Clover, the abused slave girl mentally conditioned to do absolutely anything her "owner" wants? Refuses. Charon, a ghoul assassin with a similar mentality (and, and, being a ghoul, ''immunity to radiation'')? radiation''? Not in his contract. Fawkes, a morally-upright and heroic super mutant who has the same immunity to radiation? Claims it's not his "destiny". Happily, the ''Broken Steel'' DLC [[AuthorsSavingThrow fixes rectifies this]], and Fawkes even hangs a nice {{lampshade}} on the fact that he's perfect for the job.
** Despite this, the decision to send anyone other than yourself into the chamber is referred to as cowardly. That's right, you're referred to as a coward if you take the completely logical choice that harms nobody rather than making a pointless and absolutely unnecessary sacrifice. You can see why some of the die-hard fans consider this to be a major step-down from the previous entries in the series.



** Donkey Kong himself. In most of his games, such as ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry'' and ''VideoGame/DonkeyKong64'', as well as the ''Donkey Konga'' series, he's portrayed as a pleasant, laid back ape who only gets angry when his enemies steal his banana hoarde. But afteward Nintendo started portraying him as an angry jerkass who beats up animals and steals things for little established reason in ''[[VideoGame/DonkeyKongJungleBeat Jungle Beat]]'' and the ''VideoGame/MarioVsDonkeyKong'' series. This has since been overturned by a small change in the plot of the Wii version of the ''Jungle Beat'' and ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns''.

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** Donkey Kong Franchise/DonkeyKong himself. In most of his games, such as ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry'' and ''VideoGame/DonkeyKong64'', as well as the ''Donkey Konga'' series, he's portrayed as a pleasant, laid back ape and even somewhat intelligent gorilla who only gets seriously angry when his enemies steal his banana hoarde. hoard. But afteward after Nintendo started portraying him as an angry jerkass {{Jerkass}} who beats up animals and steals things for little established reason in ''[[VideoGame/DonkeyKongJungleBeat Jungle Beat]]'' and the ''VideoGame/MarioVsDonkeyKong'' series. This has since been overturned by a small change in the plot of the Wii version of the ''Jungle Beat'' and ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns''.



* Joanna Dark. In the original ''VideoGame/PerfectDark'', she had a {{Bifauxnen}} haircut and a posh British accent, but in ''Zero'', she has long red hair, an American accent, and a much more girly personality.

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* Joanna Dark. In the original ''VideoGame/PerfectDark'', she had a {{Bifauxnen}} haircut and a posh British accent, but in ''Zero'', she has [[FieryRedhead long red hair, hair]], an American accent, and a much more girly feminine personality.



** Yes, they are the same character. [[spoiler:Giegue]] from ''VideoGame/{{MOTHER|1}}'' is known as Gyiyg [[ItIsPronouncedTroPAY (officially pronounced "geeg")]] in Japan, and [[spoiler:Giygas]] also goes under the same name in ''[[VideoGame/EarthBound MOTHER 2]]''. Also, while not obvious, it is noteworthy that the reason [[spoiler:Giygas]] is even like that in the second game is because [[NiceJobBreakingItHero the song that Ninten and his friends from the first game sang to stop him caused him to go insane.]]

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** Yes, they are the same character. [[spoiler:Giegue]] from ''VideoGame/{{MOTHER|1}}'' is known as Gyiyg [[ItIsPronouncedTroPAY (officially pronounced "geeg")]] in Japan, and [[spoiler:Giygas]] also goes under the same name in ''[[VideoGame/EarthBound MOTHER 2]]''. Also, while not obvious, it is noteworthy that the reason [[spoiler:Giygas]] is even like that in the second game is because [[NiceJobBreakingItHero the song that Ninten and his friends from the first game sang to stop him caused him to go insane.]]]] ([[EpilepticTrees Or maybe it's just because]] [[FandomBerserkButton he's a fetus]])



** How about Cerberus' top hitman Kai Leng, Who when introduced in Retribution, comes off as ruthless, intelligent and quite the manipulator. Come his appearance in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Leng is stripped of any of his more engaging traits and is little more then his boss' named EliteMook.
** Liara T'Soni is a lesser example. In the first game, she's an innocent archeologist and rather naive about the various dangers present within the galaxy. By the second game, she has become a ruthless information broker and killing people in her way isn't an issue in her war against the elusive Shadow Broker.

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** How about Cerberus' top hitman Kai Leng, Who when introduced in Retribution, comes off as ruthless, intelligent and quite the manipulator. Come his appearance appearances in ''Literature/MassEffectDeception'' and ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' Leng is stripped of any of his more engaging traits and is little more then his boss' named EliteMook.
EliteMook.
** Liara T'Soni is a lesser example. In the first game, she's an innocent archeologist and rather naive about the various dangers present within the galaxy. By the second game, she has become a ruthless information broker and killing people in her way isn't an issue in her war against the elusive Shadow Broker. There's a bit of a BrokenBase among fans debating whether or not this is CharacterDerailment or CharacterDevelopment.
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