History CelebrityParadox / Literature

4th Apr '16 6:39:45 AM ChronoLegion
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* Played around with in every way possible in ''Literature/{{Redshirts}}''. [[spoiler: The main characters are all characters in a television show who time travel into the "real world" that the show is airing in. As a result, they all have doppelgangers in that real world: the actors who play them. Most of the resolution to the book's plot consists of them finding various ways to exploit this.]]

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* Played around with in every way possible in ''Literature/{{Redshirts}}''. [[spoiler: The main characters are all characters in a television show who time travel into the "real world" that the show is airing in. As a result, they all have doppelgangers in that real world: the actors who play them. Most of the resolution to the book's plot consists of them finding various ways to exploit this. The ending manages to turn even ''that'' on its head, by the protagonist realizing that he's actually in a book (i.e. the one you're reading), which is why everything they did was even possible. One of the guesses is that a character, who should've died as a {{Redshirt}} many times over due to his unimportance to the show's plot, is still alive at the end. The character confirms that his only purpose is to confirm the protagonist's guess about being in a book.]]
26th Mar '16 9:41:54 AM freesefan
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* In the novelization of the 1976 version of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'', John Norman Howard muses that the type of cafe he goes to early on in the story is the kind 'where any wannabe Joni Mitchell or Kris Kristofferson lets themself go up on stage'. Kristofferson portrayed Howard in the film.

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* In the novelization of the 1976 version of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'', John Norman Howard muses that the type of cafe he goes to early on in the story is the kind 'where any wannabe Joni Mitchell or Kris Kristofferson lets themself go up on stage'. Kristofferson portrayed Howard in the film.film.
* ''Literature/ThePoet'' is a mystery thriller written by Creator/MichaelConnelly, starring IntrepidReporter Jack [=McEvoy=]. Later Connelly novels ''Literature/TheNarrows'' and ''Literature/TheScarecrow'' establish that in-universe, ''The Poet'' is a non-fiction true crime book written by [=McEvoy=].
15th Nov '15 8:06:47 AM Morgenthaler
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--> "....it's probably the most interesting philosophical question ever asked about film grammar. Could Creator/HarrisonFord's character in ''WhatLiesBeneath'' rent ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk''? Could [[{{Rambo}} John Rambo]] draw personal inspiration from ''Film/{{Rocky}}''? In ''Film/DesperatelySeekingSusan'', what is Music/{{Madonna}} hearing when she goes to a club and dances to her own song? Within the reality of one specific fiction, how do other fictions exist?

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--> "....it's probably the most interesting philosophical question ever asked about film grammar. Could Creator/HarrisonFord's character in ''WhatLiesBeneath'' ''Film/WhatLiesBeneath'' rent ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk''? Could [[{{Rambo}} John Rambo]] draw personal inspiration from ''Film/{{Rocky}}''? In ''Film/DesperatelySeekingSusan'', what is Music/{{Madonna}} hearing when she goes to a club and dances to her own song? Within the reality of one specific fiction, how do other fictions exist?
27th Sep '15 8:45:51 PM MissSally
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** Or maybe in this universe the role of the Fourth Doctor was given to one of the other actors considered, such as Fulton Mackay.

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** Or maybe in this universe the role of the Fourth Doctor was given to one of the other actors considered, such as Fulton Mackay.Mackay.
* In the novelization of the 1976 version of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'', John Norman Howard muses that the type of cafe he goes to early on in the story is the kind 'where any wannabe Joni Mitchell or Kris Kristofferson lets themself go up on stage'. Kristofferson portrayed Howard in the film.
24th Sep '15 1:13:50 PM VVK
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* In ''Literature/{{Thinner}}'', the protagonist is said that he's "starting to sound a little like a Stephen King novel." However, King published that book under his PenName Richard Bachman, and made this reference to throw people off.

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* ** In ''Literature/{{Thinner}}'', the protagonist is said that he's "starting to sound a little like a Stephen King novel." However, King published that book under his PenName Richard Bachman, and made this reference to throw people off.
24th Sep '15 1:12:23 PM VVK
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* In one ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' book (''Literature/TheWasteLands'') Eddie Dean compares a haunted house the characters escaped to the one in Kubrick's ''Literature/TheShining''.
** Considering the fact that Stephen King himself appears in later books in the series, and is basically told by the main characters that he has to write their story, it seems a safe bet that Celebrity Paradox isn't strictly at work here. In their universe (which is also our universe, but also not -- the whole thing is crazy metaphysical and twisted), Stephen King exists, and has written every single book we know him to have written -- and the fact that nearly everything he's written relates back to the very real world of the Dark Tower in some way is caused by the fact that it was his destiny to write about those very real events, even if everyone (including him) thought he was writing fiction.
** King believes that the movie is different enough from his original work for it to be considered its own work. Presumably Kubrick made the movie in Eddie's world without the source material.
*** Considering his opinions on the subject, if you asked Stephen King, he might suggest that Kubrick made the movie in OUR world without the source material as well.

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* A number of Creator/StephenKing's books reference him or things related to him, which gets complicated especially in ''The Dark Tower''.
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In one ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' book (''Literature/TheWasteLands'') Eddie Dean compares a haunted house the characters escaped to the one in Kubrick's ''Literature/TheShining''.
** Considering
''Literature/TheShining''. Of course, later in the fact that Stephen series King himself appears as a character in later books in one of the series, and is basically told by worlds who's been writing about the main characters that he has to write their story, it seems a safe bet that Celebrity Paradox isn't strictly at work here. In their universe (which is also our universe, but also not -- the whole thing is crazy metaphysical and twisted), Stephen King exists, and has written every single book we know him to have written -- and the fact that nearly everything other characters. But he's written relates back to the very real from a different world of the Dark Tower in some way is caused by the fact that it was his destiny to write about those very real events, even if everyone (including him) thought he was writing fiction.
** King believes that
than Eddie, so how did the movie get made there? It's not explained, but one might say, half tongue in cheek, that since King thinks Kubrik's film is so different enough from his original work for it to be considered its own work. Presumably Kubrick the original, maybe Kubrik made the movie in Eddie's world film there without the source material.
*** Considering his opinions on the subject, if you asked Stephen King, he might suggest that Kubrick made the movie in OUR world without the source material as well.
material.
9th Sep '15 1:11:22 PM sandycat
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* In the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/MissMarple Literature/TheBodyInTheLibrary]]'' a young boy explains to a policeman that he is a big fan of detective fiction and has autographs from a number of leading writers, including Agatha Christie.

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* In the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/MissMarple Literature/TheBodyInTheLibrary]]'' ''Literature/TheBodyInTheLibrary'' a young boy explains to a policeman that he is a big fan of detective fiction and has autographs from a number of leading writers, including Agatha Christie.
9th Sep '15 1:10:29 PM sandycat
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* In the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/MissMarple The Body In the Library]]'' a young boy explains to a policeman that he is a big fan of detective fiction and has autographs from a number of leading writers, including Agatha Christie.

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* In the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/MissMarple The Body In the Library]]'' Literature/TheBodyInTheLibrary]]'' a young boy explains to a policeman that he is a big fan of detective fiction and has autographs from a number of leading writers, including Agatha Christie.
4th Sep '15 4:02:47 PM nombretomado
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** And in a story from AtomicRobo, Lovecraft himself is the vessel through which Cthulhu begins to come into our world.

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** And in a story from AtomicRobo, ComicBook/AtomicRobo, Lovecraft himself is the vessel through which Cthulhu begins to come into our world.
30th Jun '15 10:34:32 AM Willbyr
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** King made a reference to himself in ''TheTommyknockers''; the people in Haven think that the protagonist, Bobbi Anderson, writes "good old western stories that you could really sink your teeth into, not all full of make-believe monsters and a bunch of dirty words, like the books that fellow who lived up Bangor way wrote." Also, when a character wants to get into a shed, he considers grabbing an ax "and make like JackNicholson in ''The Shining''."

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** King made a reference to himself in ''TheTommyknockers''; ''Literature/TheTommyknockers''; the people in Haven think that the protagonist, Bobbi Anderson, writes "good old western stories that you could really sink your teeth into, not all full of make-believe monsters and a bunch of dirty words, like the books that fellow who lived up Bangor way wrote." Also, when a character wants to get into a shed, he considers grabbing an ax "and make like JackNicholson Creator/JackNicholson in ''The Shining''.''Film/TheShining''."



** In ''UnderTheDome'', a theory on the internet that the dome is an experiment... [[GoneHorriblyWrong well, you know]], "like in that movie, ''TheMist''," based, of course, on the Stephen King novella.
** In King's ''[[Literature/FourPastMidnight The Library Policeman]]'', the ScaryLibrarian says she doesn't want to read a novel by "Robert [=McCammon=], Creator/StephenKing, or V.C. Andrews".
* In ''{{Thinner}}'', the protagonist is said that he's "starting to sound a little like a Stephen King novel." However, King published that book under his PenName Richard Bachman, and made this reference to throw people off.

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** In ''UnderTheDome'', ''Literature/UnderTheDome'', a theory on the internet that the dome is an experiment... [[GoneHorriblyWrong well, you know]], "like in that movie, ''TheMist''," ''Film/TheMist''," based, of course, on the Stephen King novella.
** In King's ''[[Literature/FourPastMidnight The Library Policeman]]'', the ScaryLibrarian says she doesn't want to read a novel by "Robert [=McCammon=], Creator/StephenKing, or V.C. Andrews".
Creator/VCAndrews".
* In ''{{Thinner}}'', ''Literature/{{Thinner}}'', the protagonist is said that he's "starting to sound a little like a Stephen King novel." However, King published that book under his PenName Richard Bachman, and made this reference to throw people off.
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