History CelebrityParadox / Literature

23rd Jul '16 2:25:40 PM nombretomado
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* The novel ''Literature/{{Glamorama}}'' by BretEastonEllis has a [[TheCameo cameo]] by [[Literature/AmericanPsycho Patrick Bateman]] at a party that one of the characters is throwing. On the list of various celebrities who are said to be attending the same party, none other then Creator/ChristianBale is on the list, who played Patrick Bateman in the film adaptation of ''American Psycho''. To be fair, Glamorama did come out a few years before that movie was released, so the author probably didn't intend for this to happen, but it's still a jarring coincidence.

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* The novel ''Literature/{{Glamorama}}'' by BretEastonEllis Creator/BretEastonEllis has a [[TheCameo cameo]] by [[Literature/AmericanPsycho Patrick Bateman]] at a party that one of the characters is throwing. On the list of various celebrities who are said to be attending the same party, none other then Creator/ChristianBale is on the list, who played Patrick Bateman in the film adaptation of ''American Psycho''. To be fair, Glamorama did come out a few years before that movie was released, so the author probably didn't intend for this to happen, but it's still a jarring coincidence.
16th Jun '16 7:57:53 PM PaulA
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** Another example, is the problem of how to deal with Creator/ArthurConanDoyle in a universe where Franchise/SherlockHolmes is a real person. A common idea is making him a {{literary agent|hypothesis}}, but if that was true, he likely wouldn't be as wealthy and famous in that universe as in reality. Another idea is to have one of his other lesser known characters have become incredibly popular.

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** * Another example, is the problem of how to deal with Creator/ArthurConanDoyle in a universe where Franchise/SherlockHolmes is a real person. A common idea is making him a {{literary agent|hypothesis}}, but if that was true, he likely wouldn't be as wealthy and famous in that universe as in reality. Another idea is to have one of his other lesser known characters have become incredibly popular.
16th Jun '16 7:57:30 PM PaulA
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* Arguably, this can occur in literature when characters are based around real people. For example, in Creator/AnthonyTrollope's ''Palliser'' series, there are characters clearly based on real people like Gladstone and Disraeli, but on at least one occasion, the real people were referenced. Another example, is the problem of how to deal with Creator/ArthurConanDoyle in a universe where SherlockHolmes is a real person. A common idea is making him a {{literary agent|hypothesis}}, but if that was true, he likely wouldn't be as wealthy and famous in that universe as in reality.
** Another idea is to have one of his other lesser known characters have become incredibly popular.

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* Arguably, this can occur in literature when characters are based around real people. For example, in Creator/AnthonyTrollope's ''Palliser'' ''Literature/{{Palliser}}'' series, there are characters clearly based on real people like Gladstone UsefulNotes/WilliamGladstone and Disraeli, UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli, but on at least one occasion, the real people were referenced. referenced.
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Another example, is the problem of how to deal with Creator/ArthurConanDoyle in a universe where SherlockHolmes Franchise/SherlockHolmes is a real person. A common idea is making him a {{literary agent|hypothesis}}, but if that was true, he likely wouldn't be as wealthy and famous in that universe as in reality.
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reality. Another idea is to have one of his other lesser known characters have become incredibly popular.
4th Apr '16 6:39:45 AM ChronoLegion
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* Played around with in every way possible in ''Literature/{{Redshirts}}''. [[spoiler: The main characters are all characters in a television show who time travel into the "real world" that the show is airing in. As a result, they all have doppelgangers in that real world: the actors who play them. Most of the resolution to the book's plot consists of them finding various ways to exploit this.]]

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* Played around with in every way possible in ''Literature/{{Redshirts}}''. [[spoiler: The main characters are all characters in a television show who time travel into the "real world" that the show is airing in. As a result, they all have doppelgangers in that real world: the actors who play them. Most of the resolution to the book's plot consists of them finding various ways to exploit this. The ending manages to turn even ''that'' on its head, by the protagonist realizing that he's actually in a book (i.e. the one you're reading), which is why everything they did was even possible. One of the guesses is that a character, who should've died as a {{Redshirt}} many times over due to his unimportance to the show's plot, is still alive at the end. The character confirms that his only purpose is to confirm the protagonist's guess about being in a book.]]
26th Mar '16 9:41:54 AM freesefan
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* In the novelization of the 1976 version of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'', John Norman Howard muses that the type of cafe he goes to early on in the story is the kind 'where any wannabe Joni Mitchell or Kris Kristofferson lets themself go up on stage'. Kristofferson portrayed Howard in the film.

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* In the novelization of the 1976 version of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'', John Norman Howard muses that the type of cafe he goes to early on in the story is the kind 'where any wannabe Joni Mitchell or Kris Kristofferson lets themself go up on stage'. Kristofferson portrayed Howard in the film.film.
* ''Literature/ThePoet'' is a mystery thriller written by Creator/MichaelConnelly, starring IntrepidReporter Jack [=McEvoy=]. Later Connelly novels ''Literature/TheNarrows'' and ''Literature/TheScarecrow'' establish that in-universe, ''The Poet'' is a non-fiction true crime book written by [=McEvoy=].
15th Nov '15 8:06:47 AM Morgenthaler
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--> "....it's probably the most interesting philosophical question ever asked about film grammar. Could Creator/HarrisonFord's character in ''WhatLiesBeneath'' rent ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk''? Could [[{{Rambo}} John Rambo]] draw personal inspiration from ''Film/{{Rocky}}''? In ''Film/DesperatelySeekingSusan'', what is Music/{{Madonna}} hearing when she goes to a club and dances to her own song? Within the reality of one specific fiction, how do other fictions exist?

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--> "....it's probably the most interesting philosophical question ever asked about film grammar. Could Creator/HarrisonFord's character in ''WhatLiesBeneath'' ''Film/WhatLiesBeneath'' rent ''Film/RaidersOfTheLostArk''? Could [[{{Rambo}} John Rambo]] draw personal inspiration from ''Film/{{Rocky}}''? In ''Film/DesperatelySeekingSusan'', what is Music/{{Madonna}} hearing when she goes to a club and dances to her own song? Within the reality of one specific fiction, how do other fictions exist?
27th Sep '15 8:45:51 PM MissSally
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** Or maybe in this universe the role of the Fourth Doctor was given to one of the other actors considered, such as Fulton Mackay.

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** Or maybe in this universe the role of the Fourth Doctor was given to one of the other actors considered, such as Fulton Mackay.Mackay.
* In the novelization of the 1976 version of ''Film/AStarIsBorn'', John Norman Howard muses that the type of cafe he goes to early on in the story is the kind 'where any wannabe Joni Mitchell or Kris Kristofferson lets themself go up on stage'. Kristofferson portrayed Howard in the film.
24th Sep '15 1:13:50 PM VVK
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* In ''Literature/{{Thinner}}'', the protagonist is said that he's "starting to sound a little like a Stephen King novel." However, King published that book under his PenName Richard Bachman, and made this reference to throw people off.

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* ** In ''Literature/{{Thinner}}'', the protagonist is said that he's "starting to sound a little like a Stephen King novel." However, King published that book under his PenName Richard Bachman, and made this reference to throw people off.
24th Sep '15 1:12:23 PM VVK
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* In one ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' book (''Literature/TheWasteLands'') Eddie Dean compares a haunted house the characters escaped to the one in Kubrick's ''Literature/TheShining''.
** Considering the fact that Stephen King himself appears in later books in the series, and is basically told by the main characters that he has to write their story, it seems a safe bet that Celebrity Paradox isn't strictly at work here. In their universe (which is also our universe, but also not -- the whole thing is crazy metaphysical and twisted), Stephen King exists, and has written every single book we know him to have written -- and the fact that nearly everything he's written relates back to the very real world of the Dark Tower in some way is caused by the fact that it was his destiny to write about those very real events, even if everyone (including him) thought he was writing fiction.
** King believes that the movie is different enough from his original work for it to be considered its own work. Presumably Kubrick made the movie in Eddie's world without the source material.
*** Considering his opinions on the subject, if you asked Stephen King, he might suggest that Kubrick made the movie in OUR world without the source material as well.

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* A number of Creator/StephenKing's books reference him or things related to him, which gets complicated especially in ''The Dark Tower''.
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In one ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' book (''Literature/TheWasteLands'') Eddie Dean compares a haunted house the characters escaped to the one in Kubrick's ''Literature/TheShining''.
** Considering
''Literature/TheShining''. Of course, later in the fact that Stephen series King himself appears as a character in later books in one of the series, and is basically told by worlds who's been writing about the main characters that he has to write their story, it seems a safe bet that Celebrity Paradox isn't strictly at work here. In their universe (which is also our universe, but also not -- the whole thing is crazy metaphysical and twisted), Stephen King exists, and has written every single book we know him to have written -- and the fact that nearly everything other characters. But he's written relates back to the very real from a different world of the Dark Tower in some way is caused by the fact that it was his destiny to write about those very real events, even if everyone (including him) thought he was writing fiction.
** King believes that
than Eddie, so how did the movie get made there? It's not explained, but one might say, half tongue in cheek, that since King thinks Kubrik's film is so different enough from his original work for it to be considered its own work. Presumably Kubrick the original, maybe Kubrik made the movie in Eddie's world film there without the source material.
*** Considering his opinions on the subject, if you asked Stephen King, he might suggest that Kubrick made the movie in OUR world without the source material as well.
material.
9th Sep '15 1:11:22 PM sandycat
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* In the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/MissMarple Literature/TheBodyInTheLibrary]]'' a young boy explains to a policeman that he is a big fan of detective fiction and has autographs from a number of leading writers, including Agatha Christie.

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* In the Creator/AgathaChristie novel ''[[Literature/MissMarple Literature/TheBodyInTheLibrary]]'' ''Literature/TheBodyInTheLibrary'' a young boy explains to a policeman that he is a big fan of detective fiction and has autographs from a number of leading writers, including Agatha Christie.
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