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20th May '18 7:26:47 PM Gsueagle31049
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** The city [[NeverLiveItDown lost not one, but]] '''[[HistoryRepeats two]]''' NHL teams in the league's modern era, with both teams relocated to Canada. Both teams struggled with low attendance, minimal local media exposure and unstable ownership during their tenures in Atlanta.

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** The city [[NeverLiveItDown lost not one, but]] '''[[HistoryRepeats two]]''' NHL teams in the league's modern era, with both teams relocated to Canada. Both teams struggled with low attendance, attendance (despite both teams outdrawing the Hawks at times), minimal local media exposure and unstable ownership during their tenures in Atlanta.



*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. Because of their poor play, they were often called the "Trashers" by detractors. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Besides Atlanta Spirit's dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible; many Thrashers fans also believe that the NHL abandoning Atlanta for Winnipeg is a shortsighted move, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once. Seeing the Jets advance all the way to the 2018 Western Conference Final rubs salt in the wound for many former Thrashers fans, who see the Jets' success as WhatCouldHaveBeen for the Thrashers had there been competent ownership in Atlanta.

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*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. Because of their poor play, they were often called the "Trashers" by detractors. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Besides Atlanta Spirit's dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible; many Thrashers fans also believe that the NHL abandoning Atlanta for Winnipeg is a shortsighted move, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit eventually sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once. Seeing the Jets advance all the way to the 2018 Western Conference Final [[https://sports.yahoo.com/column-atlanta-hockey-fans-cheering-anybody-jets-202551573--nhl.html?soc_src=hl-viewer&soc_trk=fb rubs salt in the wound for many former Thrashers fans, Atlanta hockey fans]], who see the Jets' success as WhatCouldHaveBeen for the Thrashers had there been competent ownership in Atlanta. Atlanta.



** One thing is particularly painful for Winnipeg fans: unlike the NFL's Cleveland Browns, MLS's San Jose Earthquakes, and the NBA's Charlotte Hornets, the Jets have not reclaimed the original franchise's history; [[ContinuitySnarl it's still tied to the Arizona Coyotes' history]]; despite the NHL themselves owning the Coyotes in 2011, the league chose not to allow True North to reclaim the original Jets' history and retcon the Coyotes as a 1996 expansion team. Because of this, Jets' detractors, particularly former Thrashers fans, call them the "Fake Jets" in addition to their historical derisive nicknames such as the "Jests" or "Jokes".

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** One thing is particularly painful for Winnipeg fans: unlike the NFL's Cleveland Browns, MLS's San Jose Earthquakes, and the NBA's Charlotte Hornets, the Jets have not reclaimed the original franchise's history; [[ContinuitySnarl it's still tied to the Arizona Coyotes' history]]; despite the NHL themselves owning the Coyotes in 2011, the league chose not to allow True North to reclaim the original Jets' history and retcon the Coyotes as a 1996 expansion team. Because of this, Jets' detractors, particularly former Thrashers fans, call them the "Fake Jets" or "Jets InNameOnly" in addition to their historical derisive nicknames such as the "Jests" "Jest(s)" or "Jokes".
20th May '18 5:56:15 PM igordebraga
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* The current Winnipeg Jets are the runt of not only the NHL, but among ''all'' of the teams in the five major North American professional leagues. With less than a million residents in its metro area, the team plays in the smallest standalone media market among professional sports in North America[[note]]Even though Green Bay is the ''absolute'' smallest pro sports market in North America, the Packers also claim the larger Milwaukee media market, and the state of Wisconsin is more than twice as populous than the provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan ''combined''[[/note]]. The team plays in the league's smallest arena, Bell MTS Place, which seats only 15,000; even though it's considered a large, modern arena, it is undersized by NHL standards, meaning the Jets end up finishing near the bottom of the league and dead last among Canadian teams for attendance despite all their home games being sold out for the foreseeable future. Many top-tier free agents have Winnipeg on or near the top of their "no-move" lists because of the city's perception of being located out in the middle of nowhere and having nothing to do during the off-season. True North Sports and Entertainment originally sought to bring the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, the Arizona Coyotes, home; however, the NHL instead persuaded True North to buy a bargain basement team in the [[ReplacementGoldfish former Atlanta Thrashers]], a team run into the ground by its ex-owners (See Atlanta's section in "Cities in General" for more details). Aside from dysfunctional ownership in Atlanta, the only reason the NHL even considered returning to Winnipeg was [[MoneyDearBoy a then-strong loonie]]; if the Canadian dollar falls too far below its US counterpart as it did in the early '90s, the Jets would be most likely the first Canadian team to be put up for relocation. The team had to spend their first two seasons in the Thrashers' place in the now-defunct Southeast Division, putting the team at a competitive and geographical disadvantage since their nearest divisional opponent was more than ''1500 miles'' away. And their attempt at getting the final seed of the East in 2013 still fell short! Realignment for 2013-14 hasn't helped much, as the Jets finished dead last in the reorganized Central Division. The Jets did make the playoffs in 2015 as the second wild card in the Western Conference, only to get swept in the first round by the Anaheim Ducks. Luck only started to smile in the Jets' way in the 2017-18 season, where they came up only behind the Nashville Predators for the President's Trophy, and the franchise ''finally'', after nearly two decades of futility, won both their first playoff game against the Minnesota Wild, and the whole round by 4-1 (a Winnipeg team hadn't won the first round since the original Jets in ''1987''!); the Jets would also knock off the top-seeded Predators in the Western Semifinals to reach the Western Finals, something the original Jets have never accomplished.

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* The current Winnipeg Jets are the runt of not only the NHL, but among ''all'' of the teams in the five major North American professional leagues. With less than a million residents in its metro area, the team plays in the smallest standalone media market among professional sports in North America[[note]]Even though Green Bay is the ''absolute'' smallest pro sports market in North America, the Packers also claim the larger Milwaukee media market, and the state of Wisconsin is more than twice as populous than the provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan ''combined''[[/note]]. The team plays in the league's smallest arena, Bell MTS Place, which seats only 15,000; even though it's considered a large, modern arena, it is undersized by NHL standards, meaning the Jets end up finishing near the bottom of the league and dead last among Canadian teams for attendance despite all their home games being sold out for the foreseeable future. Many top-tier free agents have Winnipeg on or near the top of their "no-move" lists because of the city's perception of being located out in the middle of nowhere and having nothing to do during the off-season. True North Sports and Entertainment originally sought to bring the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, the Arizona Coyotes, home; however, the NHL instead persuaded True North to buy a bargain basement team in the [[ReplacementGoldfish former Atlanta Thrashers]], a team run into the ground by its ex-owners (See Atlanta's section in "Cities in General" for more details). Aside from dysfunctional ownership in Atlanta, the only reason the NHL even considered returning to Winnipeg was [[MoneyDearBoy a then-strong loonie]]; if the Canadian dollar falls too far below its US counterpart as it did in the early '90s, the Jets would be most likely the first Canadian team to be put up for relocation. The team had to spend their first two seasons in the Thrashers' place in the now-defunct Southeast Division, putting the team at a competitive and geographical disadvantage since their nearest divisional opponent was more than ''1500 miles'' away. And their attempt at getting the final seed of the East in 2013 still fell short! Realignment for 2013-14 hasn't helped much, as the Jets finished dead last in the reorganized Central Division. The Jets did make the playoffs in 2015 as the second wild card in the Western Conference, only to get swept in the first round by the Anaheim Ducks. Luck only started to smile in the Jets' way in the 2017-18 season, where they came up only behind the Nashville Predators for the President's Trophy, and the franchise ''finally'', after nearly two decades of futility, won both their first playoff game against the Minnesota Wild, and the whole round by 4-1 (a Winnipeg team hadn't won the first round since the original Jets in ''1987''!); the Jets would also knock off the top-seeded Predators in the Western Semifinals to reach the Western Finals, something the original Jets have never accomplished. But then the ButtMonkey who finally became a contender couldn't beat the only story more unbelievable than theirs: after Winnipeg won the first game, the recently created Vegas Golden Knights beat them in five.
20th May '18 5:13:59 PM AreYouTyler
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*** The Knights themselves averted this by becoming [[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/vegas-has-the-best-expansion-team-in-the-history-of-pro-sports-and-its-not-close/ by far the most successful first-year expansion team]] in ''the entire Big Four history'', even winning their division, sweeping in Round 1, and making it all the way to the finals!

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*** The Knights themselves averted this by becoming [[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/vegas-has-the-best-expansion-team-in-the-history-of-pro-sports-and-its-not-close/ by far the most successful first-year expansion team]] in ''the entire Big Four history'', even winning their division, sweeping in Round 1, and making it all the way to the finals!Stanley Cup!
20th May '18 4:17:46 PM IcyCrow
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*** In Florida, the Jaguars to the Dolphins and Buccaneers, the Magic to the Heat; the Rays to the Marlins; UCF and USF compared to Miami, Florida, and Florida State; and the Panthers to the Lightning. Drilling down to the Miami area, you have FIU and FAU to Miami in college sports.
*** In Ohio, the Browns to the Bengals, and every other college (most notably Cincinnati) to Ohio State.

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*** In Florida, the Jaguars to the Dolphins and Buccaneers, the Magic to the Heat; Heat, the Rays to the Marlins; Marlins, UCF and USF compared to Miami, Florida, and Florida State; State, and Miami, and the Panthers to the Lightning. Drilling down to the Miami area, you have FIU and FAU to Miami in college sports.
*** In Ohio, the Browns to the Bengals, the Indians to the Reds, and every other college (most notably Cincinnati) to Ohio State.



*** The Knights themselves averted this by becoming [[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/vegas-has-the-best-expansion-team-in-the-history-of-pro-sports-and-its-not-close/ by far the most successful first-year expansion team]] in ''the entire Big Four history'', even winning their division, sweeping in Round 1 and then reaching the conference finals!

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*** The Knights themselves averted this by becoming [[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/vegas-has-the-best-expansion-team-in-the-history-of-pro-sports-and-its-not-close/ by far the most successful first-year expansion team]] in ''the entire Big Four history'', even winning their division, sweeping in Round 1 1, and then reaching making it all the conference way to the finals!
14th May '18 11:58:04 AM Gsueagle31049
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** With the NFL's 2016 return to Los Angeles and MLS' 2017 expansion to Atlanta, the NHL is the only major league without a team in every top 10 US media market; however, the two top 10 markets where the NHL is absent, Atlanta and Houston, are both in the Sun Belt. As mentioned in "Cities in General" above, Atlanta has not been a successful market for the NHL, and Houston has never hosted an NHL franchise; despite being one of the WHA's more successful and relatively financially stable teams, the Aeros were left out of the 1979 WHA-NHL merger (partly due to the struggles of the Los Angeles Kings and then-Atlanta Flames) and folded before then, and a local consortium in Edmonton prevented a planned relocation of the Oilers to Houston.

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** With the NFL's 2016 return to Los Angeles and MLS' 2017 expansion to Atlanta, the NHL is the only major league without a team in every top 10 each of the ten largest US media market; markets; however, the two top 10 markets where the NHL is absent, Atlanta and Houston, are both in the Sun Belt. As mentioned in "Cities in General" above, Atlanta has not been a successful market for the NHL, and NHL. Houston has is the largest metro area in the United States to never have hosted an NHL franchise; despite franchise. Despite being one of the WHA's more successful and relatively financially stable teams, the Aeros were left out of the 1979 WHA-NHL merger (partly due to merger; then-NHL President John Ziegler was wary of adding another Sun Belt team amidst the struggles of the Los Angeles Kings and then-Atlanta Flames) the Atlanta Flames, and the Aeros folded before then, and a local consortium in Edmonton prevented a planned relocation of the merger. Then-Rockets owner Les Alexander attempted to bring the Oilers to Houston in 1998; however, he was outbid by a group in Edmonton. Current Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta is seriously pursuing an NHL team for Houston.
13th May '18 9:12:28 PM Gsueagle31049
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*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Besides Atlanta Spirit's dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible; many Thrashers fans also believe that the NHL abandoning Atlanta for Winnipeg is a shortsighted move, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once. Seeing the Jets advance all the way to the 2018 Western Conference Final rubs salt in the wound for many former Thrashers fans, who see the Jets' success as WhatCouldHaveBeen for the Thrashers had there been competent ownership in Atlanta.

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*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. Because of their poor play, they were often called the "Trashers" by detractors. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Besides Atlanta Spirit's dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible; many Thrashers fans also believe that the NHL abandoning Atlanta for Winnipeg is a shortsighted move, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once. Seeing the Jets advance all the way to the 2018 Western Conference Final rubs salt in the wound for many former Thrashers fans, who see the Jets' success as WhatCouldHaveBeen for the Thrashers had there been competent ownership in Atlanta.



** One thing is particularly painful for Winnipeg fans: unlike the NFL's Cleveland Browns, MLS's San Jose Earthquakes, and the NBA's Charlotte Hornets, the Jets have not reclaimed the original franchise's history; [[ContinuitySnarl it's still tied to the Arizona Coyotes' history]][[note]]Despite the NHL owning the Coyotes in 2011, the league chose not to allow True North to reclaim the original Jets' history and retcon the Coyotes as a 1996 expansion team[[/note]].

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** One thing is particularly painful for Winnipeg fans: unlike the NFL's Cleveland Browns, MLS's San Jose Earthquakes, and the NBA's Charlotte Hornets, the Jets have not reclaimed the original franchise's history; [[ContinuitySnarl it's still tied to the Arizona Coyotes' history]][[note]]Despite history]]; despite the NHL themselves owning the Coyotes in 2011, the league chose not to allow True North to reclaim the original Jets' history and retcon the Coyotes as a 1996 expansion team[[/note]].team. Because of this, Jets' detractors, particularly former Thrashers fans, call them the "Fake Jets" in addition to their historical derisive nicknames such as the "Jests" or "Jokes".
13th May '18 1:14:41 PM Gsueagle31049
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*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Besides Atlanta Spirit's dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible; many Thrashers fans believe that the NHL abandoning Atlanta for Winnipeg is a shortsighted move, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once. Seeing the Jets advance all the way to the 2018 Western Conference Final rubs salt in the wound for many former Thrashers fans, who see the Jets' success as WhatCouldHaveBeen for the Thrashers had there been competent ownership in Atlanta.
*** If the NHL is ever crazy or desperate enough to return to Atlanta for a third shot, a prospective owner would likely have to build their own arena in the suburbs as the new Hawks ownership plan to purge the last reminder of the Thrashers' existence by completely rebuilding the interior of Philips Arena to optimize its sightlines for basketball, leaving a subpar configuration for ice hockey, similar to the Islanders' Barclays Center or the Coyotes' former home of America West Arena[[note]]now Talking Stick Resort Arena[[/note]], assuming Philips Arena will even have ice refrigeration equipment after renovations. Despite the failures of two NHL clubs, Atlanta had more successful teams in minor leagues. The International Hockey League's Knights were a successful team in their 4 years in Atlanta in the early 90s, winning the league's championship in their sophomore season in 1994; however, the team left after the 1995-96 season because then-Hawks owner Ted Turner wanted bring the NHL back to Atlanta, having missed the opportunity to keep the Flames in Atlanta back in the 70s, and the Omni Coliseum, the only large hockey-ready arena in Metro Atlanta at the time, would have to be demolished and replaced by Philips Arena, since the NHL would not allow Turner to use the Omni even as a temporary arena due to its above-mentioned structural issues. Like their NHL predecessor and successor, the Knights moved to Canada, in this case to Quebec City to fill the void left by the Nordiques' departure; however, the team ultimately folded after only two seasons in Quebec. The ECHL's Gladiators, based in the Gwinnett County suburb of Duluth, has been fairly successful both on and off the ice since their inception in 2003; however, the Gladiators have been on a downturn of late.

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*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Besides Atlanta Spirit's dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible; many Thrashers fans also believe that the NHL abandoning Atlanta for Winnipeg is a shortsighted move, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once. Seeing the Jets advance all the way to the 2018 Western Conference Final rubs salt in the wound for many former Thrashers fans, who see the Jets' success as WhatCouldHaveBeen for the Thrashers had there been competent ownership in Atlanta.
*** If the NHL is ever crazy or desperate enough to return to Atlanta for a third shot, a prospective owner would likely have to build their own arena in the suburbs as the new Hawks ownership plan to purge the last reminder of the Thrashers' existence by completely rebuilding the interior of Philips Arena to optimize its sightlines for basketball, leaving a subpar configuration for ice hockey, similar to the Islanders' Barclays Center or the Coyotes' former home of America West Arena[[note]]now Talking Stick Resort Arena[[/note]], assuming Philips Arena will even have ice refrigeration equipment after renovations.Arena. Despite the failures of two NHL clubs, Atlanta had more successful teams in minor leagues. The International Hockey League's Knights were a successful team in their 4 years in Atlanta in the early 90s, winning the league's championship in their sophomore season in 1994; however, the team left after the 1995-96 season because then-Hawks owner Ted Turner wanted bring the NHL back to Atlanta, having missed the opportunity to keep the Flames in Atlanta back in the 70s, and the Omni Coliseum, the only large hockey-ready arena in Metro Atlanta at the time, would have to be demolished and replaced by Philips Arena, since the NHL would not allow Turner to use the Omni even as a temporary arena due to its above-mentioned structural issues. Like their NHL predecessor and successor, the Knights moved to Canada, in this case to Quebec City to fill the void left by the Nordiques' departure; however, the team ultimately folded after only two seasons in Quebec. The ECHL's Gladiators, based in the Gwinnett County suburb of Duluth, has been fairly successful both on and off the ice since their inception in 2003; however, the Gladiators have been on a downturn of late.



** The league has seven Canadian teams. Canadian teams in predominately US-based leagues[[note]]Despite the NHL being formed in Montreal, its modern day headquarters is in New York City[[/note]] tend to be Butt Monkeys, and four of those teams, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, and Winnipeg, are among the smallest markets in not only the NHL, but across all five major North American professional leagues. The Canadian teams collect their revenue in Canadian dollars; however, league rules dictate that team payroll must be paid out in US dollars, meaning Canadian owners' profits dwindle whenever the Canadian dollar trades well below its US counterpart. Seeing all seven miss the playoffs in 2016 hurt Canada as few things could.
** With the NFL's 2016 return to Los Angeles and MLS' 2017 expansion to Atlanta, the NHL is the only major league without a team in every top 10 US media market; however, the two top 10 markets where the NHL is absent, Atlanta and Houston, are both in the Sun Belt. As mentioned in "Cities in General" above, Atlanta has not been a successful market for the NHL, and Houston has never hosted an NHL franchise; despite being one of the WHA's more successful and financially stable teams, the Aeros were left out of the 1979 WHA-NHL merger and folded before then, and a local consortium in Edmonton prevented a planned relocation of the Oilers to Houston.

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** The league has seven Canadian teams. Canadian teams in predominately US-based leagues[[note]]Despite the NHL being formed in Montreal, its modern day current headquarters is in New York City[[/note]] tend to be Butt Monkeys, and four of those teams, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, and Winnipeg, are among the smallest markets in not only the NHL, but across all five major North American professional leagues. The Canadian teams collect their revenue in Canadian dollars; however, league rules dictate that team payroll must be paid out in US dollars, meaning Canadian owners' profits dwindle whenever the Canadian dollar trades well below its US counterpart. Seeing all seven miss the playoffs in 2016 hurt Canada as few things could.
** With the NFL's 2016 return to Los Angeles and MLS' 2017 expansion to Atlanta, the NHL is the only major league without a team in every top 10 US media market; however, the two top 10 markets where the NHL is absent, Atlanta and Houston, are both in the Sun Belt. As mentioned in "Cities in General" above, Atlanta has not been a successful market for the NHL, and Houston has never hosted an NHL franchise; despite being one of the WHA's more successful and relatively financially stable teams, the Aeros were left out of the 1979 WHA-NHL merger (partly due to the struggles of the Los Angeles Kings and then-Atlanta Flames) and folded before then, and a local consortium in Edmonton prevented a planned relocation of the Oilers to Houston.



* Along with the Oilers, the three other teams which descended from the World Hockey Association, the Hartford Whalers, the Quebec Nordiques, and the original Winnipeg Jets, were Butt Monkeys deliberately invoked by the NHL as punishment for forcing the NHL to overexpand in the 1970s. Unlike the American Basketball Association, where all four of its surviving teams (Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, New York[=/=]New Jersey[=/=]Brooklyn Nets, and San Antonio Spurs) remain in their respective post-merger markets to this day, only one WHA team, the Edmonton Oilers, is still in its post-merger market as of 2017. As part of the agreement to join the NHL, the four WHA teams' rosters were virtually gutted, the teams received no compensation for players reclaimed by the existing NHL teams and the teams were placed in the bottom of the order in the 1979 rookie draft, instead of at the top as is the standard practice for expansion teams. The four teams were among the smallest markets for any professional team, severely limiting their profit potential. By the 1990s, the four former WHA clubs were also playing in small, outdated arenas. An anemic Canadian dollar forced the Nordiques and Jets down to Denver (as the Avalanche) in 1995 and Phoenix (as the Coyotes) in 1996, respectively, and the Oilers almost moved to Houston in 1998 (two years after Bud Adams moved the NFL's Oilers to Tennessee); however, an Edmonton-based consortium outbid then-Rockets' owner Leslie Alexander to keep the team in Alberta. The Whalers fared no better as they were strong-armed by the old guard New York Rangers and Boston Bruins (and to lesser extent, the New York Islanders and New Jersey Devils as well), ultimately moving to Raleigh, North Carolina (as the Hurricanes) in 1997. Since then, the NHL returned to Winnipeg with the above-mentioned move of the Atlanta Thrashers, and Quebec City has built a new [=NHL-caliber=] arena, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotron_Centre Centre Videotron]], with hopes of reviving the Nordiques by either expansion or relocation.

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* Along with the Oilers, the three other teams which descended from the World Hockey Association, the Hartford Whalers, the Quebec Nordiques, and the original Winnipeg Jets, were Butt Monkeys deliberately invoked by the NHL as punishment for forcing the NHL to overexpand in the 1970s. Unlike the American Basketball Association, where all four of its surviving teams (Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, New York[=/=]New Jersey[=/=]Brooklyn Nets, and San Antonio Spurs) remain in their respective post-merger markets to this day, only one WHA team, the Edmonton Oilers, is still Oilers remains in its post-merger market as of 2017. 2018. As part of the agreement to join the NHL, the four WHA teams' rosters were virtually gutted, all but stripped clean, the teams received no compensation for players reclaimed by the existing NHL teams and the teams were placed in the bottom of the order in the 1979 rookie draft, instead of at the top as is the standard practice for expansion teams. The four teams were among the smallest markets for any professional team, severely limiting their profit potential. By the 1990s, the four former WHA clubs were also playing in small, outdated arenas. An anemic Canadian dollar forced the Nordiques and Jets down to Denver (as the Avalanche) in 1995 and Phoenix (as the Coyotes) in 1996, respectively, and the Oilers almost moved to Houston in 1998 (two years after Bud Adams moved the NFL's Oilers to Tennessee); however, an Edmonton-based consortium outbid then-Rockets' owner Leslie Alexander to keep the team in Alberta. The Whalers fared no better as they were strong-armed by the old guard New York Rangers and Boston Bruins (and to lesser extent, the New York Islanders and New Jersey Devils as well), ultimately moving to Raleigh, North Carolina (as the Hurricanes) in 1997. Since then, the NHL returned to Winnipeg with the above-mentioned move of the Atlanta Thrashers, and Quebec City has built a new [=NHL-caliber=] arena, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotron_Centre Centre Videotron]], with hopes of reviving the Nordiques by either expansion or relocation.
13th May '18 1:02:13 PM Gsueagle31049
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*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Aside from Atlanta Spirit's aforementioned dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona basically drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible. Many Thrashers fans also believe that the NHL leaving Atlanta for Winnipeg can hurt the league in the long term, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once.

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*** The Thrashers first played in 1999 and moved to Winnipeg in 2011, becoming the ReplacementGoldfish Jets. The Thrashers experienced the typical growing pains of an expansion franchise prior to the 2004-05 strike; however, the team were an absolute disaster under Atlanta Spirit's ownership, regularly finishing in the bottom of the league and only making the playoffs once. In their only playoff appearance in 2007, the Thrashers were immediately swept by the New York Rangers. What makes the disaster of Atlanta Spirit's ownership worse was the fact that the group wanted ''absolutely nothing'' to do with the Thrashers; they only cared about the NBA's Hawks. The group spent five years in a protracted internal legal dispute, which prevented the group from putting the Thrashers up for sale in the meantime. Aside from Besides Atlanta Spirit's aforementioned dysfunction, True North Sports and Entertainment's desire to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman's staunch insistence on keeping the Coyotes, the ''original'' Winnipeg Jets, in Arizona basically drove the Thrashers out of Atlanta. Permanently cementing the Thrashers' Butt Monkey status, Atlanta Spirit considered them an OldShame, [[{{Unperson}} erasing any and all reminders of the team]], and many hockey purists, ''especially'' Winnipeggers, claim that the NHL leaving Atlanta and returning to Winnipeg was the one of the few good decisions made by Bettman during his tenure as commissioner. However, many Thrashers fans argue that the wrong team was moved to Winnipeg, since the league had nearly two years to resolve the Coyotes' ownership situation in Arizona, yet they allowed the Thrashers to be sold and moved as soon as legally possible. Many possible; many Thrashers fans also believe that the NHL leaving abandoning Atlanta for Winnipeg can hurt the league in the long term, is a shortsighted move, especially if the Canadian dollar trades far too below its US counterpart. When Atlanta Spirit sold the Hawks and the operating rights to Philips Arena in 2015, several Thrashers fans believed that the group should've sold all three assets at once. Seeing the Jets advance all the way to the 2018 Western Conference Final rubs salt in the wound for many former Thrashers fans, who see the Jets' success as WhatCouldHaveBeen for the Thrashers had there been competent ownership in Atlanta.
12th May '18 12:21:59 AM KYCubbie
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** Invoked; the Generals were later bought by the Globetrotters and were explicitly [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption intended to be the fall guys.]] Until the Trotters folded the Generals in 2015.

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** Invoked; the Generals were later bought by the Globetrotters and were explicitly signed the Generals to a long-term contract [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption intended specifically to be the fall guys.]] Until the Trotters folded didn't renew the contract in 2015, causing the Generals in 2015.to fold. In 2017, the Trotters bought the Generals name and trademarks and relaunched the Generals as a separate barnstorming team that no longer plays the Trotters.
12th May '18 12:12:33 AM KYCubbie
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** As it turned out, Sanders wasn't the last Lion to get frustrated with the Lions' mediocrity. The aforementioned Calvin Johnson retired after the 2015 season, ostensibly due to the beating he'd taken during his career, but admitted in 2017 that he retired because he was fed up with going through said punishment for a team that wasn't competing for the playoffs.

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** As it turned out, Sanders wasn't the last Lion superstar to get frustrated with the Lions' team's mediocrity. The aforementioned Calvin Johnson retired after the 2015 season, ostensibly due to the beating he'd taken during his career, but career. Then, in 2017, he admitted in 2017 that he retired because he was fed up with going through said punishment for a team that wasn't competing contending for the playoffs.
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