History ButForMeItWasTuesday / LiveActionTV

15th Nov '17 4:47:43 AM sabremeister
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** The episode "One More Unto The Breach" reveals that Martok was denied an officer's rank by Kor because Martok was common-blood. Martok holds a grudge against Kor for this for years, but Kor doesn't remember the specific incident.

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** The episode "One More Unto The Breach" reveals that Martok was denied an officer's rank by Kor because Martok was common-blood. Martok holds a grudge against Kor for this for years, but Kor doesn't remember the specific incident.incident (although it's possible the onset of Klingon Alzheimer's may have something to do with it).
4th Nov '17 2:05:35 PM nighttrainfm
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** An odd example: the demon Sahjhan spends a good chunk of the third season working against Angel, but when the two finally meet, Angel has no idea why Sahjhan hates him, driving the latter to disappear in fury. Of course, Angel was a bit justified in this: Sahjhan's beef was a ''future'' event that Sahjhan knew about from a prophecy. [[spoiler:A prophecy that he had even ''rewritten himself'' centuries before, so it was basically impossible for Angel to know about it]]. Granted, existing outside of time might mess with his perceptions a bit, but, really, Sahjhan's expectations just seem a little high.
** Subverted with Angelus, who generally ''does'' remember his victims, but if anything this is used to highlight his evil. At one point Angel and Spike contrast their approaches as evil vampires. Spike loved the act of fighting and killing and never thought twice about the victims, so he's forgotten a lot of them, while Angelus was interested in the suffering and destruction of a human being on a personal level.

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** An odd example: the demon Sahjhan spends a good chunk of the third season working against Angel, but when the two finally meet, Angel has no idea why Sahjhan hates him, driving the latter to disappear in fury. Of course, Angel was a bit justified in this: Sahjhan's beef was a ''future'' event that Sahjhan knew about from a prophecy. [[spoiler:A prophecy that he had even ''rewritten himself'' centuries before, so it was basically impossible for Angel to know about it]]. it.]] Granted, existing outside of time might mess with his perceptions a bit, but, really, Sahjhan's expectations just seem a little high.
** Subverted with Angelus, who generally ''does'' remember his victims, but if anything this is used to highlight his evil. At one point Angel and Spike contrast their approaches as evil vampires. Spike loved the act of fighting and killing and never thought twice about the victims, so he's forgotten a lot of them, while Angelus was interested in the suffering and destruction of a human being on a personal level.
** Outright confirmed in a flashback to shortly after Angel's re-ensouling. Darla finds him [[CornerOfWoe huddled in a corner]], overwhelmed by the scale of the horror in his head.
-->'''Angel:''' Funny. You would think, with all the people I've...maimed and killed, I wouldn't be able to remember ''every single one.''
1st Nov '17 10:21:05 PM dbdude01
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* ''Series/{{Gotham}}'': When Bruce Wayne [[spoiler:finally comes face-to-face with his parents' killer, the guy doesn't even remember killing them until Bruce jogs his memory by filling in some of the details.]]

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* ''Series/{{Gotham}}'': When Bruce Wayne [[spoiler:finally comes face-to-face with his parents' killer, the guy doesn't even remember killing them until Bruce jogs his memory by filling in some of the details.]] (It's possible that this trope doesn't apply, since it was never made entirely clear that he was the actual killer and wasn't just trying to enrage Bruce because he was feeling suicidal and wanted Bruce to kill him.)]]



** In "The Boiler Room Job," an arrogant con artist thinks he sees through the BigStore scam the team have set up with various people in an office setting. As it turns out, the whole thing is just a distraction for the team stealing the guy's money out from under him and setting him up on fraud charges. As the man is dragged off by the FBI, Nate reveals that all the people present aren't actors but rather the con artist's past victims who he honestly didn't recognize.

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** In "The Boiler Room Job," an arrogant con artist thinks he sees through the BigStore scam the team have set up with various people in an office setting. As it turns out, the whole thing is just a distraction for the team stealing the guy's money out from under him and setting him up on fraud charges. As the man is dragged off by the FBI, Nate reveals that all the people present aren't actors but rather the con artist's past victims who he honestly didn't recognize.recognize (not exactly this trope since he ran his scam over the phone, so there was no reason why he should have remembered his victims' faces).
13th Sep '17 7:50:31 PM LadyErinNY
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** Hook aids David when the latter is trying to find out who killed his father long ago, hearing the tale of where and how the man vanished. But it's not until he sees a drawing of the man in a book that Hook realizes ''he'' killed David's father during his pirate days.

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** Averted with Hook aids David when the latter is trying to find out who killed as he remembers every one of his father long ago, hearing the tale of where victims (mostly because he has fewer then Regina, Rumble and how the man vanished. But it's not until Cora). Also a refreshing change for this trope, he sees a drawing of the man in a book that Hook realizes ''he'' killed David's father during his pirate days.feels very guilty for those he has killed.
10th Sep '17 10:48:27 AM Discar
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** Occurs to Ashildr, aka Me, an immortal girl with [[FogOfAges a mortal sized memory]].

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** Occurs to Ashildr, aka Me, an immortal girl with [[FogOfAges [[TheFogOfAges a mortal sized memory]].
10th Sep '17 10:48:08 AM Discar
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'': This mentality really gets under the Doctor's skin. In "The Vampires of Venice", he promises to take apart Rosanna's empire piece by piece, not just because she killed one of the Doctor's friends, but because she hadn't even bothered to learn her name. Note that Rosanna probably remembers killing that person, she just never knew the girl's name to begin with.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'': ''Series/DoctorWho'':
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This mentality really gets under the Doctor's skin. In "The Vampires of Venice", he promises to take apart Rosanna's empire piece by piece, not just because she killed one of the Doctor's friends, but because she hadn't even bothered to learn her name. Note that Rosanna probably remembers killing that person, she just never knew the girl's name to begin with.



*** He fakes it by saying "We ran. Didn't we run?" as if confirming his memory and she dies thinking "He ''does'' remember me!" Chances are the Doctor has done this with so many people that it was a safe bet he'd do it with her as well.



---->'''Doctor:''' How many people have you killed?\\

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---->'''Doctor:''' --->'''Doctor:''' How many people have you killed?\\



----> '''War''': Did you ever count?
----> '''Eleven''': Count what?
----> '''War''': How many children there were on Gallifrey that day.
----> '''Eleven''': ''[stops his task, blindsided]'' I've absolutely no idea.
----> '''War''': How old are you now?
----> ''Cut to a shot of Ten looking disapprovingly''
----> '''Eleven''': Oh, I don't know, I lose track. Twelve-hundred-and something, unless I'm lying. I can't remember if I'm lying about my age -- that's how old I am.
----> '''War''': Four hundred years older than me, and in all that time, you never even wondered how many there were? You never once counted?
----> '''Eleven''': ''[Angrily stopping what he's doing]'' Tell me, what would be the point?
----> '''Ten''': 2.47 Billion.
----> '''War''': You ''did'' count!
----> ''[Eleven shakes his head ruefully and continues his work]''
----> '''Ten''': ''[to Eleven]'' You ''forgot''! Four hundred years, is that all it takes!?
----> '''Eleven''': I moved on.
----> '''Ten''': WHERE!? Where can you be now that you can forget something like ''that''!?

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----> ---> '''War''': Did you ever count?
---->
count?\\
'''Eleven''': Count what?
---->
what?\\
'''War''': How many children there were on Gallifrey that day.
---->
day.\\
'''Eleven''': ''[stops his task, blindsided]'' I've absolutely no idea.
---->
idea.\\
'''War''': How old are you now?
----> ''Cut
now?\\
''[cut
to a shot of Ten looking disapprovingly''
---->
disapprovingly]''\\
'''Eleven''': Oh, I don't know, I lose track. Twelve-hundred-and something, unless I'm lying. I can't remember if I'm lying about my age -- that's how old I am.
---->
am.\\
'''War''': Four hundred years older than me, and in all that time, you never even wondered how many there were? You never once counted?
---->
counted?\\
'''Eleven''': ''[Angrily ''[angrily stopping what he's doing]'' Tell me, what would be the point?
---->
point? \\
'''Ten''': 2.47 Billion.
---->
Billion.\\
'''War''': You ''did'' count!
---->
count!\\
''[Eleven shakes his head ruefully and continues his work]''
---->
work]''\\
'''Ten''': ''[to Eleven]'' You ''forgot''! Four hundred years, is that all it takes!?
---->
takes!?\\
'''Eleven''': I moved on.
---->
on.\\
'''Ten''': WHERE!? Where can you be now that you can forget something like ''that''!?
5th Sep '17 7:18:43 PM Discar
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* Heroic example on ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': A villain explains the origin of his vendetta as being one of the Mooks who went up against SHIELD in one of Phil Coulson's previous operations. While Coulson does remember the mission itself, he does not remember the details of why he did it nor does he care because for him it was just another day of saving the world.
-->'''Coulson:''' All of these things that you've done. All of the energy spent, the hatred...and you know what the funny thing about it is? I have no idea who the hell you are. I've been on hundreds of missions in my time. This one you're so upset about? I was sent to retrieve an object. If I'm being honest, I don't even remember what it was. As far as I'm concerned, you're just another redshirt, like so many others, who tried unsuccessfully to stop me from saving the world. 'Cause that's what I do. So. Cool origin story, bro. But this means ''nothing'' to me.

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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'':
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Heroic example on ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': example: A villain explains the origin of his vendetta as being one of the Mooks who went up against SHIELD in one of Phil Coulson's previous operations. While Coulson does remember the mission itself, he does not remember the details of why he did it nor does he care because for him it was just another day of saving the world.
-->'''Coulson:''' --->'''Coulson:''' All of these things that you've done. All of the energy spent, the hatred...and you know what the funny thing about it is? I have no idea who the hell you are. I've been on hundreds of missions in my time. This one you're so upset about? I was sent to retrieve an object. If I'm being honest, I don't even remember what it was. As far as I'm concerned, you're just another redshirt, like so many others, who tried unsuccessfully to stop me from saving the world. 'Cause that's what I do. So. Cool origin story, bro. But this means ''nothing'' to me.


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--->'''May:''' Who the hell is this guy?\\
'''Coulson:''' Well, you missed a fair amount, May, but the quick version is: you can go ahead and shoot him.\\
'''May:''' ''(fires)''
29th Aug '17 11:40:55 AM PatPayne
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** [[DiscussedTrope Discussed]] by the War, Tenth and Eleventh Doctors, when the Eleventh tries, [[BadLiar badly]] to invoke this trope to calm his guilt over the destruction of Gallifrey:
----> '''War''': Did you ever count?
----> '''Eleven''': Count what?
----> '''War''': How many children there were on Gallifrey that day.
----> '''Eleven''': ''[stops his task, blindsided]'' I've absolutely no idea.
----> '''War''': How old are you now?
----> ''Cut to a shot of Ten looking disapprovingly''
----> '''Eleven''': Oh, I don't know, I lose track. Twelve-hundred-and something, unless I'm lying. I can't remember if I'm lying about my age -- that's how old I am.
----> '''War''': Four hundred years older than me, and in all that time, you never even wondered how many there were? You never once counted?
----> '''Eleven''': ''[Angrily stopping what he's doing]'' Tell me, what would be the point?
----> '''Ten''': 2.47 Billion.
----> '''War''': You ''did'' count!
----> ''[Eleven shakes his head ruefully and continues his work]''
----> '''Ten''': ''[to Eleven]'' You ''forgot''! Four hundred years, is that all it takes!?
----> '''Eleven''': I moved on.
----> '''Ten''': WHERE!? Where can you be now that you can forget something like ''that''!?
24th Aug '17 12:01:17 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** In the 2012 Christmas Special ''[[Recap/DoctorWho2012CSTheSnowmen The Snowmen]]'', the villain is revealed to be the [[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E2TheAbominableSnowmen Great]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E5TheWebOfFear Intelligence.]] The Doctor knows he should remember that name from somewhere, but he can't put his finger on it. Unusually, the other party has no memory of the Doctor either, due to [[TimeyWimeyBall not having met him yet.]]

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** In the 2012 Christmas Special ''[[Recap/DoctorWho2012CSTheSnowmen The Snowmen]]'', the villain is revealed to be the [[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E2TheAbominableSnowmen Great]] [[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E5TheWebOfFear Intelligence.]] The Doctor knows he should remember that name from somewhere, but he can't put his finger on it. It was also a meta reference to most of the original story being lost (it was recovered the next year). Unusually, the other party has no memory of the Doctor either, due to [[TimeyWimeyBall not having met him yet.]]
20th Aug '17 1:45:59 AM JackG
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* ''Series/BlakesSeven''. Subverted in "Rumors of Death" when Avon interrogates a TortureTechnician whom he thinks killed [[LostLenore Anna Grant]]. When the man denies it, Avon assumes this trope is in play. It turns out the torturer remembers his victims because he's proud of his work [[spoiler:and the reason he doesn't remember Anna Grant is because she's a [[TheMole Security agent]], so was never arrested.]]
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