History BrotherSisterIncest / Theater

28th Oct '15 9:44:06 PM LadyNorbert
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** Pre-television example: Creator/RichardWagner's opera ''Die Walküre'' ("The Valkyrie", premiered in 1870), second of four operas in his Ring Cycle, involving siblings Siegmund and Sieglinde. Siegfried, the hero of the third and fourth operas in the cycle, is their child. This case is perhaps different from both the anime versions as well as most western versions. Though their love does end in tragedy, the tragedy is due to the fact that Sieglinde is already married to someone else, and not particularly associated with the fact that the Siegmund-Sieglinde relationship is incestuous. \\

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** Pre-television example: Creator/RichardWagner's opera ''Die Walküre'' ("The Valkyrie", premiered in 1870), second of four operas in his Ring Cycle, involving siblings Siegmund and Sieglinde. Siegfried, the hero of the third and fourth operas in the cycle, is their child. This case is perhaps different from both the anime versions as well as most western versions. Though their love does end in tragedy, the tragedy is due to the fact that Sieglinde is already married to someone else, and not particularly associated with the fact that the Siegmund-Sieglinde relationship is incestuous. \\
10th May '15 3:40:18 AM petworm
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** ''Tis Pity She's a Whore'' (another 1600s drama) Annabella and Giovanni, not having seen one another since they were young, fight their attraction and seem to have a good deal of {{wangst}} over it for a while...but only for a while. John Ford, the author of ''Tis Pity'' seems to have been mildly fascinated with the concept: in ''The Broken Heart'', Ithocles forcibly marries his sister Penthea to the insanely jealous Bassanes, who soon suspects her of cheating on him with ''everyone'', including, eventually, Ithocles himself. They're not doing it, (any more than Ophelia and Laertes, jeez...) but Ithocles IS very controlling of Penthea's sexuality...

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** ''Tis '''Tis Pity She's a Whore'' (another 1600s drama) Annabella and Giovanni, not having seen one another since they were young, fight their attraction and seem to have a good deal of {{wangst}} over it for a while...but only for a while. John Ford, the author of ''Tis Pity'' seems to have been mildly fascinated with the concept: in ''The Broken Heart'', Ithocles forcibly marries his sister Penthea to the insanely jealous Bassanes, who soon suspects her of cheating on him with ''everyone'', including, eventually, Ithocles himself. They're not doing it, (any more than Ophelia and Laertes, jeez...) but Ithocles IS very controlling of Penthea's sexuality...
10th May '15 3:38:43 AM petworm
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** Meaning Hamlet is hostile to his father and attracted to his mother? Perhaps a "reverse Oedipus complex" (reaction formation?).

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** Meaning Hamlet is hostile to his father and attracted to his mother? Perhaps a "reverse Oedipus complex" (reaction formation?).mother.
4th May '15 2:45:14 PM Menshevik
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** Another example of incest is the relationship of Siegfried and Brünnhilde, since Brünnhilde is Wotan's daughter (by Erde) and thus Siegfried's aunt by blood. Of course, as the immortal Creator/AnnaRussell pointed out, Wotan's enthusiastic and widespread adultery means that nearly ''every'' relationship in the Ring cycle is to some degree incestuous: Siegfried only ever meets one woman who's not his aunt. But that's the beauty of Grand Opera: you can do anything, so long as you ''sing'' it!

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** Another example of incest is the relationship of Siegfried and Brünnhilde, since Brünnhilde is Wotan's daughter (by Erde) Erda) and thus Siegfried's aunt by blood. Of course, as the immortal Creator/AnnaRussell pointed out, Wotan's enthusiastic and widespread adultery means that nearly ''every'' relationship in the Ring cycle is to some degree incestuous: Siegfried only ever meets one woman who's not his aunt.blood. But that's the beauty of Grand Opera: you can do anything, so long as you ''sing'' it!
25th Aug '14 4:06:36 AM StFan
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* Pre-television example: Wagner's opera ''Die Walküre'' ("The Valkyrie", premiered in 1870), second of four operas in his Ring Cycle, involving siblings Siegmund and Sieglinde. Siegfried, the hero of the third and fourth operas in the cycle, is their child. This case is perhaps different from both the anime versions as well as most western versions. Though their love does end in tragedy, the tragedy is due to the fact that Sieglinde is already married to someone else, and not particularly associated with the fact that the Siegmund-Sieglinde relationship is incestuous. \\
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Of course, as the immortal Creator/AnnaRussell pointed out, Wotan's enthusiastic and widespread adultery means that nearly ''every'' relationship in the Ring cycle is to some degree incestuous: Siegfried only ever meets one woman who's not his aunt. But that's the beauty of Grand Opera: you can do anything, so long as you ''sing'' it!

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* ''Theatre/DerRingDesNibelungen'':
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Pre-television example: Wagner's Creator/RichardWagner's opera ''Die Walküre'' ("The Valkyrie", premiered in 1870), second of four operas in his Ring Cycle, involving siblings Siegmund and Sieglinde. Siegfried, the hero of the third and fourth operas in the cycle, is their child. This case is perhaps different from both the anime versions as well as most western versions. Though their love does end in tragedy, the tragedy is due to the fact that Sieglinde is already married to someone else, and not particularly associated with the fact that the Siegmund-Sieglinde relationship is incestuous. \\
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** Another example of incest is the relationship of Siegfried and Brünnhilde, since Brünnhilde is Wotan's daughter (by Erde) and thus Siegfried's aunt by blood. Of course, as the immortal Creator/AnnaRussell pointed out, Wotan's enthusiastic and widespread adultery means that nearly ''every'' relationship in the Ring cycle is to some degree incestuous: Siegfried only ever meets one woman who's not his aunt. But that's the beauty of Grand Opera: you can do anything, so long as you ''sing'' it!
2nd Jul '14 6:42:50 AM SeptimusHeap
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* In Andrew Lippa's ''TheWildParty'', Oscar and Phil d'Armano are explicitly described in the script as being "both brothers and lovers."

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* In Andrew Lippa's ''TheWildParty'', ''Literature/TheWildParty'', Oscar and Phil d'Armano are explicitly described in the script as being "both brothers and lovers."
8th May '14 3:12:52 AM WillBGood
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Of course, as the immortal AnnaRussell pointed out, Wotan's enthusiastic and widespread adultery means that nearly ''every'' relationship in the Ring cycle is to some degree incestuous: Siegfried only ever meets one woman who's not his aunt. But that's the beauty of Grand Opera: you can do anything, so long as you ''sing'' it!

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Of course, as the immortal AnnaRussell Creator/AnnaRussell pointed out, Wotan's enthusiastic and widespread adultery means that nearly ''every'' relationship in the Ring cycle is to some degree incestuous: Siegfried only ever meets one woman who's not his aunt. But that's the beauty of Grand Opera: you can do anything, so long as you ''sing'' it!
28th Dec '13 12:39:05 AM EarlOfSandvich
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* In SamShepard's ''FoolForLove'', the main characters are on-again/off-again lovers who are ultimately revealed to be half-siblings.

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* In SamShepard's Music/SamShepard's ''FoolForLove'', the main characters are on-again/off-again lovers who are ultimately revealed to be half-siblings.
12th Dec '13 11:37:05 PM Scoutstr295
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* ''August: Osage County'' has this as part of its SurpriseIncest ending. [[spoiler: Little Charles and Ivy, who were already KissingCousins, are revealed to be half-siblings]].

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* ''August: Osage County'' ''Theatre/AugustOsageCounty'' has this as part of its SurpriseIncest ending. [[spoiler: Little Charles and Ivy, who were already KissingCousins, are revealed to be half-siblings]].
14th Sep '13 6:36:44 PM capretty
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* Averted in A Funny Think Happened on the Way to the Forum. Miles Gloriosus has purchased Philia to be his mistress, but before that occurs they learn they're lost lost brother and sister.
* The {{Audience Participation}} voting at the end of {{The Mystery of Edwin Drood}} includes pairing a male and female character together as lovers. Two of the possible choices are siblings.

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* Averted in A Funny Think Happened on the Way to the Forum. Miles Gloriosus has purchased Philia to be his mistress, but before that occurs they learn they're lost lost brother and sister.
* The {{Audience Participation}} voting at the end of {{The Mystery of Edwin Drood}} includes pairing a male and female character together as lovers. Two of the possible choices are siblings.siblings.
* ''August: Osage County'' has this as part of its SurpriseIncest ending. [[spoiler: Little Charles and Ivy, who were already KissingCousins, are revealed to be half-siblings]].
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