History BrokenBase / Sports

18th May '17 8:39:45 PM EonADS
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** A lot of individual franchises have their base-breakers as well, typically among the players. Alex Rodriguez, PED-using cheater who deserves to get pegged at least once a game, or superstar with a bad rep? Aroldis Chapman; domestic abuser who should never be allowed to play, or superhuman flamethrower? The Cubs especially got hit hard by the Chapman base break when they traded for him to be their closer in 2016, and giving up the game-tying homer to Rajai Davis in Game 7 of the World Series did NOT help matters.
16th May '17 10:43:28 PM Burmy
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** Lingerie Football League (LFL) vs. "traditional" women's football (WFA, IWFL, USWFL). The LFL proponents point to their organization's success, TV deal (with MTV2), notable arenas, and major publicity, dismissing the fully-equipped women's leagues as purists who are beneath notice, claiming that their game is slow-paced and boring while noting that they don't have one-tenth the publicity that the LFL has. On the other hand, the traditional women's proponents' argument is more one of integrity, claiming they play "real" football closer to the NFL, NCAA, and high school rules, and the LFL is a cheap gimmick, with the women degrading themselves for the publicity.

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** Lingerie Legends (formerly Lingerie) Football League (LFL) vs. "traditional" women's football (WFA, IWFL, USWFL). The LFL proponents point to their organization's success, TV deal (with MTV2), notable arenas, and major publicity, dismissing the fully-equipped women's leagues as purists who are beneath notice, claiming that their game is slow-paced and boring while noting that they don't have one-tenth the publicity that the LFL has. On the other hand, the traditional women's proponents' argument is more one of integrity, claiming they play "real" football closer to the NFL, NCAA, and high school rules, and the LFL is a cheap gimmick, with the women degrading themselves for the publicity.
12th Apr '17 3:58:51 PM RoseAndHeather
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* In Gymnastics, the debate usually is Russia vs. USA. On Tumblr, saying you like the American team better is pretty much a [[InternetBackdraft death sentence]].

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* In Gymnastics, women's gymnastics, the debate usually is Russia vs. USA. On Tumblr, saying you like the American team better is pretty much a [[InternetBackdraft death sentence]]. More generally, this extends into a divide between those who emphasize the 'artistic' part of "artistic gymnastics" and think that dance and musicality are paramount while big tumbling is less important, vs those who emphasize the 'gymnastics' part and think that the sport should be doing skills that are bigger, better, higher, and stronger, dance and musicality be damned.
** Relatedly, the just exactly what the definition of 'artistry' should in the first place. Does someone like the USA's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2ozAwU0fxo Jordyn Wieber]], with clear musicality but a more modern style of choreography, count? Or is the term to be reserved for the balletic style of choreography exemplified by the Netherlands' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDB37WWUAo Lieke Wevers]], despite her relatively low-difficulty tumbling? Do not even breathe in this argument's direction if you value your life.
10th Feb '17 12:11:08 PM ZombieAladdin
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** Second, the “open minded” F1 fans which welcome almost any changes that improve the racing or make the sport more fair, like technology restrictions and the cost cap (which limits the money which an F1 team could spend in a season). They also strongly defend a more fair distribution of F1 money in order to small teams have a chance of closing the gap between they and the best teams, making the races more excitement. Also, the open minded ones don't care about tradition or the historic value of F1. They think it's better to make changes instead of living of traditionalism. Open minded fans generally see the purists as [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia-driven fans]].

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** Second, the “open minded” F1 fans which who welcome almost any changes that improve the racing or make the sport more fair, like technology restrictions and the cost cap (which limits the money which an F1 team could spend in a season). They also strongly defend a more fair distribution of F1 money in order to for small teams to have a chance of closing the gap between they themselves and the best teams, making the races more excitement.exciting. Also, the open minded ones don't care about tradition or the historic value of F1. They think it's better to make changes instead of living of in traditionalism. Open minded fans generally see the purists as [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia-driven fans]].
7th Feb '17 7:18:38 AM Burmy
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** Lingerie Football League (LFL) vs. "traditional" women's football (WFA, IWFL, WSFL). The LFL proponents point to their organization's success, TV deal (with MTV2), notable arenas, and major publicity, dismissing the fully-equipped women's leagues as groups of elitists who are beneath notice, noting that they don't have one-tenth the publicity that the LFL has. On the other hand, the traditional women's proponents' argument is more one of integrity, claiming they play "real" football closer to the NFL, NCAA, and high school rules, and the LFL is a cheap gimmick, with the women degrading themselves for the publicity.
*** Especially true in markets which are home to both LFL and WFA/IWFL/WSFL teams. It is not uncommon for the traditional women's team to challenge the LFL team to a scrimmage (in Chicago, the WFA's Force to the LFL's Bliss, in Cleveland, the WFA's Fusion to the LFL's Crush, and in St. Louis, the WFA's Slam to the LFL's Saints). Of course, no LFL team has accepted, or even answered said traditional team's challenge as of yet.

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** Lingerie Football League (LFL) vs. "traditional" women's football (WFA, IWFL, WSFL). USWFL). The LFL proponents point to their organization's success, TV deal (with MTV2), notable arenas, and major publicity, dismissing the fully-equipped women's leagues as groups of elitists purists who are beneath notice, claiming that their game is slow-paced and boring while noting that they don't have one-tenth the publicity that the LFL has. On the other hand, the traditional women's proponents' argument is more one of integrity, claiming they play "real" football closer to the NFL, NCAA, and high school rules, and the LFL is a cheap gimmick, with the women degrading themselves for the publicity.
*** Especially true in markets which are home to both LFL and WFA/IWFL/WSFL WFA/IWFL/USWFL teams. It is not uncommon for the traditional women's team to challenge the LFL team to a scrimmage (in Chicago, the WFA's Force to the LFL's Bliss, in Cleveland, the WFA's Fusion to the LFL's Crush, and in St. Louis, the WFA's Slam to the LFL's Saints). Of course, no LFL team has accepted, or even answered said traditional team's challenge as of yet.
23rd Nov '16 4:53:05 AM Retloclive
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** Did the Indianapolis Colts tank the 2011 season (2-14 record) as a means to get Andrew Luck with the 1st-pick in the next NFL Draft? Some will say that they did, because it was getting to that point where the Colts were looking for a replacement for their long-time quarterback, Peyton Manning, who had just gone through multiple neck surgeries. Others will say that they didn't since the two games they won occurred within the final three games of the season where they had all the reason at that point to pack their bags, and try again next year.
30th Jul '16 8:13:07 AM Anddrix
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* Tim Tebow for NFL fans. His outspoken religiosity tends to be a BaseBreaker. His abilities as a quarterback even more. Although he led the Denver Broncos to some amazing comeback victories in the 2011 season, his (in)ability to pass well has sparked much criticism.

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* Tim Tebow for NFL fans. His outspoken religiosity tends to be a BaseBreaker.divisive. His abilities as a quarterback even more. Although he led the Denver Broncos to some amazing comeback victories in the 2011 season, his (in)ability to pass well has sparked much criticism.
13th Jul '16 2:54:28 PM kquinn0830
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** One proposed idea for Levi's Stadium is for both the 49ers and the Oakland Raiders to share the same stadium. Proponents support it from an economic standpoint (since both teams are in roughly the same region, why not have them in the same stadium, much like the Mets and Jets?), and opponents point out that the Raiders' historically rowdy fanbase (just look up "Raider Nation") and the [[FandomRivalry rivalry]] between 49ers and Raiders fans--known for getting straight up [[SeriousBusiness violent]] at times--make this a very, ''very'' bad idea.

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** One proposed idea for Levi's Stadium is for both the 49ers and the Oakland Raiders to share the same stadium. Proponents support it from an economic standpoint (since both teams are in roughly the same region, why not have them in the same stadium, much like the Mets Giants and Jets?), and opponents point out that the Raiders' historically rowdy fanbase (just look up "Raider Nation") and the [[FandomRivalry rivalry]] between 49ers and Raiders fans--known for getting straight up [[SeriousBusiness violent]] at times--make this a very, ''very'' bad idea.



* Eli Manning (Peyton's younger brother). Genius clutch god who "outbradyed Brady" ''twice''. Or "Fluke to end all Flukes" who got lucky with a ball stuck in a facemask? Not at all helped by the fact that he was the first overall pick in the 2004 draft which produced an impressive amount of good or very good Quarterbacks and went to the team with the most insane media market in the league. As he is still active, the debate will probably only be settled by another Vince Lombardi Trophy or some seriously awful choking. However, the fact that his play varies from great to "Oh my god I can't look at this" also plays a part.

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* Eli Manning (Peyton's younger brother). Genius clutch god who "outbradyed Brady" ''twice''. Or "Fluke to end all Flukes" who got lucky with a ball stuck in a facemask? Not at all helped by the fact that he was the first overall pick in the 2004 draft which produced an impressive amount of good or very good Quarterbacks and went to the team with the most insane media market in the league. As he is still active, the debate will probably only be settled by another Vince Lombardi Trophy or some seriously awful choking. However, the fact that his play varies from great to "Oh my god I can't look at this" outside of the two Super Bowl seasons has been very inconsistent has also plays played a part.
6th Jul '16 12:51:53 PM Leafsdude
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** The fact that Crosby has multiple team awards [[note]]World Junior, World Championship and two Olympic Golds, including a 2010 Gold Medal after Crosby and Team Canada beat Ovechkin's Russian squad 7-3 in the Quarterfinals, two Stanley Cups and two head-to-head playoff series victories over Ovechkin's Washington Capitals[[/note]] while Ovechkin and his Washington Capitals have yet to win anything but regular season awards doesn't help Ovechkin supporters, either.



* Jay Bouwmeester brings turns Calgary Flames boards into rubble at the mention of his name. He was hired as player that was expected to take the team over the top, but in a league where 50% of the teams qualify for the playoffs, have even failed to do that in his tenure to date. Combined with a low intensity personality and a big paycheck, and the ongoing conflict of him being a capable player on a bad team or being dead weight has nearly brought entire forums to their knees.

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* Jay Bouwmeester brings turns Calgary Flames boards into to rubble at the mention of his name. He was hired acquired as a player that was expected to take the team over the top, but in a league where 50% of the teams qualify for the playoffs, have even failed to do that in his tenure to date. tenure. Combined with a low intensity personality and a big paycheck, and the ongoing conflict of him being a capable player on a bad team or being dead weight has nearly brought entire forums to their knees.
13th Jun '16 7:39:54 AM RezaMaulana98
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* The allegations of Spanish conspiracy in [=MotoGP=] has caused some massive Broken Bases over the last few races. The most notable of those though, is the penalty received by Valentino Rossi over his collision with Marc Marquez at Sepang. He was forced to start from last after being deemed kicking Marquez's bike in that incident. Those who sided with Marquez said that Rossi deserved the penalty, since according to them, he rides dirty and he has some notable & controversial incidents[[note]]such as Jerez 2005, for example[[/note]] with other riders throughout his career. Those who sided with Rossi, however, noted that the incident is started by Marquez running into Rossi's knee; had Marquez seemingly let Lorenzo pass him several laps before the incident happened; and there's no way that someone is able to knock down a 157 kg motorcycle with just a kick [[note]]Even lighter bikes (except minibikes, probably) won't fall down from a kick to the body of the bike. As a proof, in a Moto3 race at Assen earlier this year, Romano Fenati kicked Niklas Ajo's bike and Ajo's bike didn't fell down as a result[[/note]].

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* The allegations of Spanish conspiracy in the 2015 [=MotoGP=] season has caused some massive Broken Bases over the last few races. The most notable of those though, is the penalty received by Valentino Rossi over his collision with Marc Marquez at Sepang. He was forced to start from last after being deemed kicking Marquez's bike in that incident. Those who sided with Marquez said that Rossi deserved the penalty, since according to them, he rides dirty and he has some notable & controversial incidents[[note]]such as Jerez 2005, for example[[/note]] with other riders throughout his career. Those who sided with Rossi, however, noted that the incident is started by Marquez running into Rossi's knee; had Marquez seemingly let Lorenzo pass him several laps before the incident happened; and there's no way that someone is able to knock down a ''moving'' 157 kg motorcycle with just a kick [[note]]Even lighter bikes (except minibikes, probably) won't fall down from a kick to the body of the bike. As a proof, in a Moto3 [=Moto3=] race at Assen earlier this the same year, Romano Fenati kicked Niklas Ajo's bike (a much harder one compared to what allegedly happened during the Rossi-Marquez incident) and Ajo's bike didn't fell down as a result[[/note]].
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