History BrokenBase / Religion

29th Jul '16 7:33:06 AM Anddrix
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*** Many, probably most, Hindus came to accept Buddhist doctrine (or aspects of it) as valid, and the Brahmin priests were forced to accept that. The ''real'' BaseBreaker among Hindus when it comes to Buddhism is whether Buddhism actually counts as a separate religion, or whether Buddhists are just "Hindus in denial, going by a different name," as some Hindus have argued (needless to say, most Buddhists would be rather annoyed at this characterization).

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*** Many, probably most, Hindus came to accept Buddhist doctrine (or aspects of it) as valid, and the Brahmin priests were forced to accept that. The ''real'' BaseBreaker controversy among Hindus when it comes to Buddhism is whether Buddhism actually counts as a separate religion, or whether Buddhists are just "Hindus in denial, going by a different name," as some Hindus have argued (needless to say, most Buddhists would be rather annoyed at this characterization).
21st Jul '16 9:31:52 PM conankane1
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** Since it was formed, there is the issue whether the caliphate ISIS supports is leigitimate (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this which has resulted in acts of violence, oppression and terrorist attacks. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.

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** Since it was formed, there is the issue whether the caliphate ISIS supports is leigitimate legitimate (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have Pope and an overall military leader). A caliph has religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide.worldwide, giving ISIS a lot of power if their claim was legitimate. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this which has resulted in acts of violence, oppression and terrorist attacks. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.



*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons certain key bits of the last one like it never happened. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews like the first movie but ignored the sequels. Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesnít count--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon they liked but the fanbase as well. The Muslims think the third one was the best but appreciate the first two as well for the most part, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.

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*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons certain key bits of the last one like it never happened. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews like are fans of the first movie but who ignored the sequels. Christians think you need to watch are fans of the first two, but the third movie doesnít count--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon they liked but the fanbase as well. well. The Muslims think are fans thinking the third one was the is best but appreciate the first two as well for the most part, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.
21st Jul '16 9:20:40 PM conankane1
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** In recent years there has been the issue that arose when the Salafi jihadist militant group that follows a fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine (better known as ISIL or ISIS) proclaimed itself a worldwide caliphate, and named Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as its caliph in 2014 (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.

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** In recent years Since it was formed, there has been is the issue that arose when whether the Salafi jihadist militant group that follows a fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine (better known as ISIL or ISIS) proclaimed itself a worldwide caliphate, and named Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as its caliph in 2014 caliphate ISIS supports is leigitimate (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this.this which has resulted in acts of violence, oppression and terrorist attacks. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.
21st Jul '16 9:18:27 PM conankane1
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*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons certain key bits of the last one like it never happened. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews like the first movie but ignored the sequels. Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesnít count--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon they liked but also with the extensive fanon they had built up. The Muslims think the third one was the best but appreciate the first two as well (or are supposed to, a few have gotten a little bit rabid in their fanboyism), and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.

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*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons certain key bits of the last one like it never happened. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews like the first movie but ignored the sequels. Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesnít count--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon they liked but also with the extensive fanon they had built up. fanbase as well. The Muslims think the third one was the best but appreciate the first two as well (or are supposed to, a few have gotten a little bit rabid in their fanboyism), for the most part, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.
21st Jul '16 9:15:32 PM conankane1
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Religious sects, and the non-religious are not immune to this. In fact, these can often be worse than most, as dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of actual deaths are not an uncommon occurrence as a result of these arguments.

Whether or not {{God}} even exists, and if so God's nature and involvement in the lives of humans is something that has been the subject of much speculation throughout history. In recent history this is often explored in "religion vs. science" debates (though the term "religion vs science" is a misnomer as, according to several surveys and varying depending on the nation, worldwide approximately four tenths of scientists are religious, another four tenths are not and the remainder are undecided. Also, scientists are human like everyone else, they still have emotions that effect them including doubt, fear and hatred, are not all-knowing and are capable of prejudice). The issue is compounded by all sides having their extremists.

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Religious sects, sects and the non-religious are not immune to this. In fact, these can often be worse than most, as dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of actual deaths are not an uncommon occurrence as a result of these arguments.

Whether or not {{God}} even exists, and if so God's nature and involvement in the lives of humans is something that has been the subject of much speculation throughout history. In recent history this is often explored in "religion vs. science" debates (though the term "religion vs science" is a misnomer as, according to several surveys and varying depending on the nation, worldwide approximately four tenths of scientists are religious, another four tenths are not and the remainder are undecided. Also, scientists are human like everyone else, they still have emotions that effect them including doubt, fear and hatred, are not all-knowing and are capable of prejudice). The issue is compounded by all sides having their extremists.



* In regards to the Abrahamic faiths, there's the issue of if [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} the Bible ends right before the New Testament]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} the Bible ends right before the Quran]], or if [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} The Quran is canon too]]. And then there's Literature/TheBookOfMormon... Much of recent world history is the result of different segments of the base arguing over where CanonDiscontinuity starts. A shared issue is whether or not gay and lesbians (in same-sex relationships) can be ordained as leaders (one case is a debate in The Uniting Church in Australia that has been occurring since 1982).

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* In regards to the Abrahamic faiths, there's the issue of if [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} the Bible ends right before the New Testament]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} the Bible ends right before the Quran]], or if [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} The Quran is canon too]]. And then there's Literature/TheBookOfMormon... contention around Literature/TheBookOfMormon. Much of recent world history is has involved or been the result of different segments of the base arguing over where CanonDiscontinuity starts. starts. A shared issue is whether or not gay and lesbians (in same-sex relationships) can be ordained as leaders (one case is a debate in The Uniting Church in Australia that has been occurring since 1982).
21st Jul '16 9:09:41 PM conankane1
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* Christianity has several in addition to the ones in the Bible. The most debated issues are whether Jesus was human or divine (majority consensus is He was both), who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].

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* Christianity has several in addition to the ones in the Bible. The most debated issues in Christianity are whether Jesus was human or divine (majority consensus is He was both), who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].
21st Jul '16 9:07:15 PM conankane1
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* ''Literature/TheBible'' is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life, also because the teachings and events are shared between Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which means the Bible is often lumped with the Talmud and the Qu'ran. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.

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* ''Literature/TheBible'' is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life, also because the there are teachings and events are shared between Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which means the Bible is often lumped with the Talmud and the Qu'ran. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.
21st Jul '16 9:04:22 PM conankane1
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* ''Literature/TheBible'' is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life, also because the teachings and events are shared between Christianity, Judaism and Islam. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.

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* ''Literature/TheBible'' is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life, also because the teachings and events are shared between Christianity, Judaism and Islam.Islam, which means the Bible is often lumped with the Talmud and the Qu'ran. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.



* Christianity has several in addition to the ones in the Bible. The most debated issues are whether Jesus was human or divine, how demonimations work, who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].

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* Christianity has several in addition to the ones in the Bible. The most debated issues are whether Jesus was human or divine, how demonimations work, divine (majority consensus is He was both), who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].



** The series of Reformations have also caused strife. Examples include Martin Luther vs. Catholicism, John Calvin vs. Martin Luther, a whole bunch of guys vs. Calvin, the sectarianism. In the 17th century, Nikon, the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church, worked on several reforms to update the Russian liturgy to match the Greek. These reforms were protested by a group that eventually became known as the Old Believers. Although initially outlawed and persecuted, the Old Believers' religion survived and they still continue their traditional ceremonies distinct from mainstream Orthodoxy. [[note]] The reason why Martin Luther brought about Lutheranism and the Protestant Reformation is hotly debated by theologians and historians due to how corrupt the Catholic Church's clergy was at the time and his rivalry with a fellow priest over gaining a position which was a fast track to becoming a Cardinal. Whatever the motivation, Luther's ideas would have remained a mere "dispute of monks" (as [[UsefulNotes/ThePope argued by the incumbent Pope at the time]]) had it not been for the recent invention of the printing press; without the press, the only people to hear about it would be a few monks and theologians, who would proceed to write angry letters to each other until the new ideas were either accepted or forgotten. With the printing press, the public at large got wind of it within days, and that changed society forever. Of course, there were also the 95 Theses he distributed and may or may not have nailed to the door of the All Saints' Church in Wittenberg. [[/note]]

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** The series of Reformations have also caused strife. strife as well as the denominations of Christianity. However, all denominations of Christianity draw from the same Bible and worship the same God. The differences are minor, such as Presbyterians taking cues from John Calvin and being derived from Presbyterian form of church government governed by representative assemblies of elders and Pentecostal putting special emphasis on a personal experience with God through Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
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Examples include Martin Luther vs. Catholicism, John Calvin vs. Martin Luther, a whole bunch of guys vs. Calvin, the sectarianism. In the 17th century, Nikon, the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church, worked on several reforms to update the Russian liturgy to match the Greek. These reforms were protested by a group that eventually became known as the Old Believers. Although initially outlawed and persecuted, the Old Believers' religion survived and they still continue their traditional ceremonies distinct from mainstream Orthodoxy. [[note]] The reason why Martin Luther brought about Lutheranism and the Protestant Reformation is hotly debated by theologians and historians due to how corrupt the Catholic Church's clergy was at the time and his rivalry with a fellow priest over gaining a position which was a fast track to becoming a Cardinal. Whatever the motivation, Luther's ideas would have remained a mere "dispute of monks" (as [[UsefulNotes/ThePope argued by the incumbent Pope at the time]]) had it not been for the recent invention of the printing press; without the press, the only people to hear about it would be a few monks and theologians, who would proceed to write angry letters to each other until the new ideas were either accepted or forgotten. With the printing press, the public at large got wind of it within days, and that changed society forever. Of course, there were also the 95 Theses he distributed and may or may not have nailed to the door of the All Saints' Church in Wittenberg. [[/note]]
17th Jul '16 3:12:11 AM ArtemisPal
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* ''Literature/TheBible'' is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.

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* ''Literature/TheBible'' is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life. real-life, also because the teachings and events are shared between Christianity, Judaism and Islam. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.not.
** Lumping the Talmud and the Qu'ran in the same category as the Bible also sparks the debate "is lumping them all in with the Bible for ease of categorization, showing favoritism towards Christianity or unfairly singling out Christianity for criticism?".
17th Jul '16 3:09:36 AM ArtemisPal
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* Christianity has several in addition to the ones in the Bible. The most debated issues are whether Jesus was human or divine, how demonimations work, who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). Among the less debated issues are how many Sacraments are needed and whether or not gay and lesbians (in same-sex relationships) can be ordained as Ministers (one case is a debate in The Uniting Church in Australia that has been occurring since 1982). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].

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* Christianity has several in addition to the ones in the Bible. The most debated issues are whether Jesus was human or divine, how demonimations work, who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). Among the less debated issues are how many Sacraments are needed and whether or not gay and lesbians (in same-sex relationships) can be ordained as Ministers (one case is a debate in The Uniting Church in Australia that has been occurring since 1982). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].



* In regards to the Abrahamic faiths, there's the issue of if [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} the Bible ends right before the New Testament]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} the Bible ends right before the Quran]], or if [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} The Quran is canon too]]. And then there's Literature/TheBookOfMormon... Much of recent world history is the result of different segments of the base arguing over where CanonDiscontinuity starts.

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* In regards to the Abrahamic faiths, there's the issue of if [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} the Bible ends right before the New Testament]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} the Bible ends right before the Quran]], or if [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} The Quran is canon too]]. And then there's Literature/TheBookOfMormon... Much of recent world history is the result of different segments of the base arguing over where CanonDiscontinuity starts. A shared issue is whether or not gay and lesbians (in same-sex relationships) can be ordained as leaders (one case is a debate in The Uniting Church in Australia that has been occurring since 1982).


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*** There's also the issue of other belief systems, such as the spiritual but not religious and humanists.


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*** In addition there is much debate over whether atheists can believe in the supernatural, such as the spiritual but not religious.
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