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20th Mar '17 6:59:52 AM Fireblood
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*** Then there's the new term of anti-theists and where the distinction is, as not all atheists are hostile to religion or religious people (with some who may dislike one but not the other in both ways). There is even disputes over whether the term should be anti-theist or misotheist.

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*** Then there's the new term of anti-theists and where the distinction is, as not all atheists are hostile to religion or religious people (with some who may dislike one but not the other in both ways). There is even disputes dispute over whether the term should be anti-theist or misotheist.



** There is also the debate over whether the "New Atheists" have good ideas or are just anti-religious bigots. This ties with the issue that prominent atheists are controversial figures, not helped by the fact that most of them are outspokenly, [[{{TheFundamentalist}} fundamentally]] anti-theist. Another point of contention is the fact that their movement draws some inspiration from Marxism (Christopher Hitchens was a former Trotskyist), yet this element tends to get downplayed, sometimes to the point of SelectiveObliviousness.
*** Creator/ChristopherHitchens was a very controversial person. One of the points of contention people have with him is that he claimed a religion-free society would be better (to the point of writing an anti-religion book) even after visiting a real-life anti-religious society; [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny North Korea]]. Hitchens' response to this criticism (which involved calling heaven a "celestial North Korea" where all you can do is praise the leader for eternity) also caused contention; some say he was absolutely right, some ([[Creator/PeterHitchens including his brother]]) say he was speculating on Heaven when he had no knowledge of it and/or that he was [[StrawmanFallacy grasping at straws]] to [[{{Misblamed}} pin the blame on religion for a problem religion didn't cause]]. His Marxist leanings in the earlier years of his career were also a point of contention. He also made the incorrect and controversial argument that the word "fascism" in the history books could be replaced with "Catholic right wing" and nothing would change. However this has been proven false for reasons including the fact that [[ConfirmationBias his claim ignores instances of non-Catholic and non-religious fascism]] including the tyrannical fascists Hideki Tōjō (Buddhist), [[UsefulNotes/IdiAmin Idi Amin]] (Muslim, with possible roots in African folk religions according to speculation) and that the first fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini, was an anti-theistic atheist ([[{{Irony}} like Christopher Hitchens himself]]) [[note]]Despite Mussolini being an avowed atheist and high level of contempt towards religion, especially Christianity, [[PragmaticVillainy Mussolini recognized the amount of power the Catholic Church held and sought to turn it to his own ends. This led to some actions intended to curry favor with the Catholic Church]], though Mussolini remained atheist to the day he died. The Lateran treaties that made VaticanCity a state were a response to political unrest in Italy and some of the terms served Mussolini's agenda (the Pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations and the sum the Holy See got, which they had been pledged to them by the Law of Guarantees in 1871, was reduced). Mussolini also indirectly inspired several other fascist movements such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guard New Guard]].[[/note]]. Hitchens also overlooked the fact that [[CriticalResearchFailure the German Fascists actually had their biggest electoral success in Protestant areas]].

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** There is also the debate over whether the "New Atheists" have good ideas or are just anti-religious bigots. This ties with the issue that prominent atheists are controversial figures, not helped by the fact that most of them are outspokenly, [[{{TheFundamentalist}} fundamentally]] anti-theist. Another point of contention is the fact that their movement draws some inspiration from Marxism (Christopher Hitchens was a former Trotskyist), yet this element tends to get downplayed, sometimes to the point of SelectiveObliviousness.\n
*** Creator/ChristopherHitchens was a very controversial person. One of the points of contention people have with him is that he claimed a religion-free society would be better (to the point of writing an anti-religion book) even after visiting a real-life anti-religious society; [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny North Korea]]. Hitchens' response to this criticism (which involved calling heaven a "celestial North Korea" where all you can do is praise the leader for eternity) also caused contention; some say he was absolutely right, some ([[Creator/PeterHitchens including his brother]]) say he was speculating on Heaven when he had no knowledge of it and/or that he was [[StrawmanFallacy grasping at straws]] to [[{{Misblamed}} pin the blame on religion for a problem religion didn't cause]]. His Marxist leanings in the earlier years of his career were also a point of contention. He also made the incorrect and controversial argument that the word "fascism" in the history books could be replaced with "Catholic right wing" and nothing would change. However this has been proven false for reasons including the fact that [[ConfirmationBias his claim ignores instances of non-Catholic and non-religious fascism]] including the tyrannical fascists Hideki Tōjō (Buddhist), [[UsefulNotes/IdiAmin Idi Amin]] (Muslim, with possible roots in African folk religions according to speculation) and that the first fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini, was an anti-theistic atheist ([[{{Irony}} like Christopher Hitchens himself]]) himself]]).[[note]]Despite Mussolini being an avowed atheist and high level of contempt towards religion, especially Christianity, [[PragmaticVillainy Mussolini recognized the amount of power the Catholic Church held and sought to turn it to his own ends. This led to some actions intended to curry favor with the Catholic Church]], though Mussolini remained atheist to the day he died. The Lateran treaties that made VaticanCity a state were a response to political unrest in Italy and some of the terms served Mussolini's agenda (the Pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations and the sum the Holy See got, which they had been pledged to them by the Law of Guarantees in 1871, was reduced). Mussolini also indirectly inspired several other fascist movements such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guard New Guard]].[[/note]]. [[/note]] Hitchens also overlooked the fact that [[CriticalResearchFailure the German Fascists actually had their biggest electoral success in Protestant areas]].
18th Mar '17 2:30:32 AM KhadgarJones1
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Whether or not {{God}} exists, and if so God's nature and involvement in the lives of humans is something that has been the subject of much speculation throughout history. In recent history this is often explored in "religion vs. science" debates (though the term "religion vs science" is a misnomer as, according to several surveys and varying depending on the nation, worldwide approximately four tenths of scientists are religious, another four tenths are not and the remainder are undecided. Also, scientists are human with emotions that effect them including doubt, fear and hatred, are not all-knowing and are capable of unreasonable unjustified prejudice). The issue is compounded by all sides having their extremists.

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Whether or not {{God}} exists, and if so God's nature and involvement in the lives of humans is something that has been the subject of much speculation throughout history. In recent history this is often explored in "religion vs. science" debates (though the term "religion vs science" is a misnomer as, according to several surveys and varying depending on the nation, worldwide approximately four tenths of scientists are religious, another four tenths are not and the remainder are undecided. Also, scientists are human with emotions that effect them including doubt, fear people too; they can have doubts, prejudices and hatred, are not all-knowing selfish agendas they'll sidelines facts and are capable of unreasonable unjustified prejudice).rationality for). The issue is compounded by all sides having their extremists.



* There's the fact that some well-known criticisms of all beliefs hinge on the AssociationFallacy: A few examples are how 9/11 has been used at times to smear all Muslims by association, Marxist-inspired regimes have been used at times to smear all atheists by association and the Spanish Inquisition and the Catholic Church sex scandals have been used at times to smear all Catholics (sometimes even all Christians) by association.



** There is also the debate over whether the "New Atheists" are being Islamaphobic. This ties with the issue that prominent atheists are controversial figures, not helped by the fact that most of them are outspokenly, [[{{TheFundamentalist}} fundamentally]] anti-theist.
*** Creator/ChristopherHitchens was a very controversial person. One of the points of contention people have with him is that he claimed a religion-free society would be better (to the point of writing an anti-religion book) even after visiting a real-life anti-religious society; [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny North Korea]]. Hitchens' response to this criticism (which involved calling heaven a "celestial North Korea" where all you can do is praise the leader for eternity) also caused contention; some say he was absolutely right, some ([[Creator/PeterHitchens including his brother]]) say he was speculating on Heaven when he had no knowledge of it and/or that he was [[StrawmanFallacy grasping at straws]] to [[{{Misblamed}} pin the blame on religion for a problem religion didn't cause]]. His Marxist leanings in the earlier years of his career were also a point of contention. He also made the incorrect and controversial argument that the word "fascism" in the history books could be replaced with "Catholic right wing" and nothing would change. However this has been proven false for reasons including the fact that [[ConfirmationBias his claim ignores instances of non-Catholic and non-religious fascism]] including the tyrannical fascists Hideki Tōjō (Buddhist), [[UsefulNotes/IdiAmin Idi Amin]] (Muslim) and that the first fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini, was an anti-theistic atheist ([[{{Irony}} like Hitchens himself]]) [[note]]Despite Mussolini's avowed atheism and high level of contempt towards religion, especially Christianity, [[PragmaticVillainy Mussolini recognized the amount of power the Catholic Church held and sought to turn it to his own ends. This led to some actions intended to curry favor with the Catholic Church]], though Mussolini remained atheist to the day he died. The Lateran treaties that made VaticanCity a state were a response to political unrest in Italy and some of the terms served Mussolini's agenda (the Pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations and the sum the Holy See got, which they had been pledged to them by the Law of Guarantees in 1871, was reduced). Mussolini also indirectly inspired several other fascist movements such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guard New Guard]].[[/note]]. Hitchens also overlooked the fact that [[CriticalResearchFailure the German Fascists actually had their biggest electoral success in Protestant areas]].
*** UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins is portrayed in the media as one of the figureheads for Atheism, being part of the group unofficially dubbed 'The Four Horsemen of New Atheism' (four key figures in the movement alongside Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris) and certainly has a following among atheists. However a lot of people, including many atheists, find him unpleasant, arrogant, hypocritical and bigoted. A couple of the reasons for this include his Twitter post saying Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch right after admitting in the same sentence that he's never read the Qu'ran]] and his hypocritical remark that [[MoralMyopia atheists should mock and be intolerant towards the religious]]. Another problem is that he has stated he views God (specifically God as He is in the Old Testamant) as racist, an accusation that ignores several facts; God, and by extension the Bible, consistently condemn racism as seen [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010:34-35 in]], [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203:28 the]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A12-13 following]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20 verses]]. When God told the Israelites not to go with people of certain backgrounds (such as the Caananites) wasn't to do with them being a different face ([[CriticalResearchFailure Dawkins also overlooked that the Caananites were a different tribe, not a different race]]) but because it would influence the Israelites to sinful behaviors and serve other gods instead of God (which in addition to being a betrayal of God also meant participating in the practices of those other religions such as HumanSacrifice).

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** There is also the debate over whether the "New Atheists" have good ideas or are being Islamaphobic. just anti-religious bigots. This ties with the issue that prominent atheists are controversial figures, not helped by the fact that most of them are outspokenly, [[{{TheFundamentalist}} fundamentally]] anti-theist.
anti-theist. Another point of contention is the fact that their movement draws some inspiration from Marxism (Christopher Hitchens was a former Trotskyist), yet this element tends to get downplayed, sometimes to the point of SelectiveObliviousness.
*** Creator/ChristopherHitchens was a very controversial person. One of the points of contention people have with him is that he claimed a religion-free society would be better (to the point of writing an anti-religion book) even after visiting a real-life anti-religious society; [[PeoplesRepublicOfTyranny North Korea]]. Hitchens' response to this criticism (which involved calling heaven a "celestial North Korea" where all you can do is praise the leader for eternity) also caused contention; some say he was absolutely right, some ([[Creator/PeterHitchens including his brother]]) say he was speculating on Heaven when he had no knowledge of it and/or that he was [[StrawmanFallacy grasping at straws]] to [[{{Misblamed}} pin the blame on religion for a problem religion didn't cause]]. His Marxist leanings in the earlier years of his career were also a point of contention. He also made the incorrect and controversial argument that the word "fascism" in the history books could be replaced with "Catholic right wing" and nothing would change. However this has been proven false for reasons including the fact that [[ConfirmationBias his claim ignores instances of non-Catholic and non-religious fascism]] including the tyrannical fascists Hideki Tōjō (Buddhist), [[UsefulNotes/IdiAmin Idi Amin]] (Muslim) (Muslim, with possible roots in African folk religions according to speculation) and that the first fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini, was an anti-theistic atheist ([[{{Irony}} like Christopher Hitchens himself]]) [[note]]Despite Mussolini's Mussolini being an avowed atheism atheist and high level of contempt towards religion, especially Christianity, [[PragmaticVillainy Mussolini recognized the amount of power the Catholic Church held and sought to turn it to his own ends. This led to some actions intended to curry favor with the Catholic Church]], though Mussolini remained atheist to the day he died. The Lateran treaties that made VaticanCity a state were a response to political unrest in Italy and some of the terms served Mussolini's agenda (the Pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations and the sum the Holy See got, which they had been pledged to them by the Law of Guarantees in 1871, was reduced). Mussolini also indirectly inspired several other fascist movements such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guard New Guard]].[[/note]]. Hitchens also overlooked the fact that [[CriticalResearchFailure the German Fascists actually had their biggest electoral success in Protestant areas]].
*** UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins is portrayed in the media as one of the figureheads for Atheism, being part of the group unofficially dubbed 'The Four Horsemen of New Atheism' (four key figures in the movement alongside Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris) and certainly has a following among atheists. However a lot of people, including many atheists, find him unpleasant, arrogant, hypocritical and bigoted. A couple One of the reasons for this include his most egregious errors centers on the following; he made a Twitter post saying Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch right after admitting in the same sentence that he's never read the Qu'ran]] Qu'ran]], in addition to how he has denied the existence of good and evil at one point before going on to criticize religion by calling it evil. There is also his hypocritical remark that [[MoralMyopia atheists should mock and be intolerant towards the religious]]. Another problem is that he has stated he views God (specifically God as He is in the Old Testamant) as racist, an accusation that ignores several facts; God, and by extension the Bible, consistently condemn racism as seen [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010:34-35 in]], [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203:28 the]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A12-13 following]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20 verses]]. When God told the Israelites not to go with people of certain backgrounds (such as the Caananites) wasn't to do with them being a different face ([[CriticalResearchFailure Dawkins also overlooked that the Caananites were a different tribe, not a different race]]) but because it would influence the Israelites to sinful behaviors and serve other gods instead of God (which in addition to being a betrayal of God also meant participating in the practices of those other religions such as HumanSacrifice).
7th Feb '17 5:13:20 AM RaustBD
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*** Sam Harris, similarly, has been harshly criticized for his anti-Islamic views, which are viewed as Islamophobic and even genocidal by some (though he denies this). Other stances he has taken (such as defending ethnic profiling and torturing a suspected terrorist in a "ticking bomb" scenario) have been similarly criticized. His view that free will does not exist at all has also been a point of contention, even with his fellow "New Atheist" Daniel Dennett, who takes a more nuanced stance on the issue.

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*** Sam Harris, similarly, has been harshly criticized for his anti-Islamic views, which are viewed as Islamophobic and even genocidal by some (though he denies this). Other stances he has taken (such as defending ethnic profiling and torturing a suspected terrorist in a "ticking bomb" scenario) have been similarly criticized. His view that free will does not exist at all has also been a point of contention, even with his fellow "New Atheist" Daniel Dennett, who takes a more nuanced stance on the issue. His defenders, on the other hand, maintain that Sam Harris is one of the most repeatedly misrepresented figures in all of atheism, that a lot of his most controversial statements have either been taken wildly out of context or were meant as purely philosophical thought exercises and not an endorsement of them as public policy, and that he hasn't said anything racist or bigoted against Islam, it's just that the religion really is that full of bad ideas that need to be challenged.
18th Jan '17 9:33:26 AM N1KF
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* ''Literature/TheBible'' is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life, also because there are teachings and events shared between Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which means the Bible is often lumped with the Talmud and the Qu'ran. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.

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* ''Literature/TheBible'' Literature/TheBible is arguably the most debated religious text in real-life, also because there are teachings and events shared between Christianity, Judaism and Islam, which means the Bible is often lumped with the Talmud Literature/TheTalmud and the Qu'ran.Literature/TheQuran. One of the most debated issues is whether every word in the Bible should be taken literally and, if not, which parts are literal and which are not.



** There have been numerous debates over which '''version''' of ''Literature/TheBible'' should be adhered to. One example is the the King James Version vs New Living translation. Also there's the belief that KJV ''supercedes the original'' - witness (pun not intended) On the flip side you have those "enlightened" Christians who refuse to use a version of the Bible published prior to 1988.

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** There have been numerous debates over which '''version''' of ''Literature/TheBible'' the Bible should be adhered to. One example is the the King James Version vs New Living translation. Also there's the belief that KJV ''supercedes the original'' - witness (pun not intended) On the flip side you have those "enlightened" Christians who refuse to use a version of the Bible published prior to 1988.



* The most debated issues in Christianity are whether Jesus was human or divine (majority consensus and [[WordOfGod Jesus Himself]] say both), who the Sacraments belong to and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].

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* The most debated issues in Christianity are whether Jesus UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} was human or divine (majority consensus and [[WordOfGod Jesus Himself]] say both), who the Sacraments belong to and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].



* In regards to the Abrahamic faiths, there's the issue of if [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} the Bible ends right before the New Testament]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} the Bible ends right before the Quran]], or if [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} The Quran is canon too]]. And then there's contention around Literature/TheBookOfMormon. Much of world history has involved or been the result of different segments of the base arguing over where CanonDiscontinuity starts. A shared issue is whether or not gay and lesbians (in same-sex relationships) can be ordained as leaders (one case is a debate in The Uniting Church in Australia that has been occurring since 1982).
*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons certain key bits of the last one like it never happened. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews are fans of the first movie who ignored the sequels. Christians are fans of the first two, but the third movie doesnít count--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon but the fanbase as well. The Muslims are fans thinking the third one is best but appreciate the first two as well for the most part, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.

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* In regards to the Abrahamic faiths, there's the issue of if [[UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}} the Bible ends right before the New Testament]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} the Bible ends right before the Quran]], Qu'ran]], or if [[UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} The Quran Qu'ran is canon too]]. And then there's contention around Literature/TheBookOfMormon. Much of world history has involved or been the result of different segments of the base arguing over where CanonDiscontinuity starts. A shared issue is whether or not gay and lesbians (in same-sex relationships) can be ordained as leaders (one case is a debate in The Uniting Church in Australia that has been occurring since 1982).
1982).
*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons {{retcon}}s certain key bits of the last one [[CanonDiscontinuity like it never happened. happened]]. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven {{Heaven}} (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews are fans of the first movie who ignored the sequels. Christians are fans of the first two, but [[FanonDiscontinuity the third movie doesnít count--the count]]--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon but the fanbase as well. The Muslims are fans thinking the third one is best but appreciate the first two as well for the most part, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.



*** To clarify for non-Hindus, virtually no Caribbean Hindu practices vegetarianism unless it's a religious holiday, with the only exceptions being the priests. Caribbean Hindus typically abstain from beef or pork, but have a long culinary tradition with other meats. Caribbean Hindus also tend to have much more liberal views of sexuality than modern Indian Hindus (for the reasons why India became conservative on those issues, see the Kama Sutra entry above on this page). Finally, and this is the big one that seems to be a ''major'' BerserkButton for many Indian Hindus, Caribbean Hindus generally do ''not'' speak Hindi at all, and grow up speaking Caribbean English dialects as their native language. Hindi remains a liturgical language among Caribbean Hindus (much the same way Hebrew is for American Jews, or the way Latin used to be for the Catholic Church), but most Caribbean Hindus know only a handful of Hindi words at most. This tends to ''really'' result in [[FlameWar Flame Wars]] where Indians and Indo-Caribbeans end up at each others throats.

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*** To clarify for non-Hindus, virtually no Caribbean Hindu practices vegetarianism unless it's a religious holiday, with the only exceptions being the priests. Caribbean Hindus typically abstain from beef or pork, but have a long culinary tradition with other meats. Caribbean Hindus also tend to have much more liberal views of sexuality than modern Indian Hindus (for the reasons why India became conservative on those issues, see the Kama Sutra entry above on this page). Finally, and this is the big one that seems to be a ''major'' BerserkButton for many Indian Hindus, Caribbean Hindus generally do ''not'' speak Hindi at all, and grow up speaking Caribbean English dialects as their native language. Hindi remains a liturgical language among Caribbean Hindus (much the same way Hebrew is for American Jews, or the way Latin used to be for the Catholic Church), but most Caribbean Hindus know only a handful of Hindi words at most. This tends to ''really'' result in [[FlameWar Flame Wars]] {{Flame War}}s where Indians and Indo-Caribbeans end up at each others throats.
16th Nov '16 4:46:36 AM KhadgarBill
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*** UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins is portrayed in the media as one of the figureheads for Atheism, being part of the group unofficially dubbed 'The Four Horsemen of New Atheism' (four key figures in the movement alongside Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris) and certainly has a following among atheists. However a lot of people, including many atheists, find him unpleasant, arrogant, hypocritical and bigoted. A couple of the reasons for this include his Twitter post saying Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch right after admitting in the same sentence that he's never read the Qu'ran]] and his hypocritical remark that [[MoralMyopia atheists should mock and be intolerant towards the religious]]. Another problem is that he has stated he views God (specifically God as He is in the Old Testamant) as racist, an accusation that ignores several facts; God, and by extension the Bible, consistently condemn racism as seen [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010:34-35 in]], [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203:28 the]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A12-13 following]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20 verses]]. When God told the Israelites not to go with people of certain backgrounds (such as the Caananites) wasn't to do with them being a different face ([[CriticalResearchFailure Dawkins also overlooked that the Caananites were a different tribe, not a different race]]) but because it would influence the Israelites to sinful behaviours and serve other gods instead God (which in addition to being a betrayal also meant participating in the practices of those other religions such as HumanSacrifice).

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*** UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins is portrayed in the media as one of the figureheads for Atheism, being part of the group unofficially dubbed 'The Four Horsemen of New Atheism' (four key figures in the movement alongside Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris) and certainly has a following among atheists. However a lot of people, including many atheists, find him unpleasant, arrogant, hypocritical and bigoted. A couple of the reasons for this include his Twitter post saying Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch right after admitting in the same sentence that he's never read the Qu'ran]] and his hypocritical remark that [[MoralMyopia atheists should mock and be intolerant towards the religious]]. Another problem is that he has stated he views God (specifically God as He is in the Old Testamant) as racist, an accusation that ignores several facts; God, and by extension the Bible, consistently condemn racism as seen [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010:34-35 in]], [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203:28 the]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A12-13 following]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20 verses]]. When God told the Israelites not to go with people of certain backgrounds (such as the Caananites) wasn't to do with them being a different face ([[CriticalResearchFailure Dawkins also overlooked that the Caananites were a different tribe, not a different race]]) but because it would influence the Israelites to sinful behaviours behaviors and serve other gods instead of God (which in addition to being a betrayal of God also meant participating in the practices of those other religions such as HumanSacrifice).
16th Nov '16 4:43:02 AM KhadgarBill
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* The most debated issues in Christianity are whether Jesus was human or divine (majority consensus is He was both), who the Sacraments belong to and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].

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* The most debated issues in Christianity are whether Jesus was human or divine (majority consensus is He was and [[WordOfGod Jesus Himself]] say both), who the Sacraments belong to and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].



*** UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins is portrayed in the media as one of the figureheads for Atheism, being part of the group unofficially dubbed 'The Four Horsemen of New Atheism' (four key figures in the movement alongside Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris) and certainly has a following among atheists. However a lot of people, including many atheists, find him unpleasant, arrogant, hypocritical and bigoted. A couple of the reasons for this include his Twitter post saying Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch right after admitting in the same sentence that he's never read the Qu'ran]] and his hypocritical remark that [[MoralMyopia atheists should mock and be intolerant towards the religious]]. In recent years many atheists are of the opinion that Dawkins and his ilk give a bad image of atheism and the amount of atheists who ascribe to his brand of anti-theism has shrunk from the amount that the publishing of his book drew in.

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*** UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins is portrayed in the media as one of the figureheads for Atheism, being part of the group unofficially dubbed 'The Four Horsemen of New Atheism' (four key figures in the movement alongside Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and Sam Harris) and certainly has a following among atheists. However a lot of people, including many atheists, find him unpleasant, arrogant, hypocritical and bigoted. A couple of the reasons for this include his Twitter post saying Islam was the world's greatest force for evil [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch right after admitting in the same sentence that he's never read the Qu'ran]] and his hypocritical remark that [[MoralMyopia atheists should mock and be intolerant towards the religious]]. In recent years many atheists are of the opinion Another problem is that he has stated he views God (specifically God as He is in the Old Testamant) as racist, an accusation that ignores several facts; God, and by extension the Bible, consistently condemn racism as seen [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010:34-35 in]], [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%203:28 the]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A12-13 following]] [[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28%3A18-20 verses]]. When God told the Israelites not to go with people of certain backgrounds (such as the Caananites) wasn't to do with them being a different face ([[CriticalResearchFailure Dawkins and his ilk give a bad image of atheism and the amount of atheists who ascribe to his brand of anti-theism has shrunk from the amount also overlooked that the publishing Caananites were a different tribe, not a different race]]) but because it would influence the Israelites to sinful behaviours and serve other gods instead God (which in addition to being a betrayal also meant participating in the practices of his book drew in.those other religions such as HumanSacrifice).
5th Sep '16 8:31:46 PM BroTim11
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Whether or not {{God}} exists, and if so God's nature and involvement in the lives of humans is something that has been the subject of much speculation throughout history. In recent history this is often explored in "religion vs. science" debates (though the term "religion vs science" is a misnomer as, according to several surveys and varying depending on the nation, worldwide approximately four tenths of scientists are religious, another four tenths are not and the remainder are undecided. Also, scientists are human like everyone else, they still have emotions that effect them including doubt, fear and hatred, are not all-knowing and are capable of prejudice). The issue is compounded by all sides having their extremists.

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Whether or not {{God}} exists, and if so God's nature and involvement in the lives of humans is something that has been the subject of much speculation throughout history. In recent history this is often explored in "religion vs. science" debates (though the term "religion vs science" is a misnomer as, according to several surveys and varying depending on the nation, worldwide approximately four tenths of scientists are religious, another four tenths are not and the remainder are undecided. Also, scientists are human like everyone else, they still have with emotions that effect them including doubt, fear and hatred, are not all-knowing and are capable of unreasonable unjustified prejudice). The issue is compounded by all sides having their extremists.



* The most debated issues in Christianity are whether Jesus was human or divine (majority consensus is He was both), who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].

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* The most debated issues in Christianity are whether Jesus was human or divine (majority consensus is He was both), who the Sacraments belong to, whether [[UsefulNotes/{{Mormonism}} Mormonism]] is Christianity to and the contexts of certain verses (including whether predestination plays a role in salvation). There are also disputes over miracles, though some are merely analyses done by the clergy to determine authenticity, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_apparition apparition of the BVM]].



** The series of Reformations have also caused strife as well as the denominations of Christianity. However, all denominations of Christianity draw from the same Bible and worship the same God. The differences are minor, such as Presbyterians taking cues from John Calvin and being derived from Presbyterian form of church government governed by representative assemblies of elders and Pentecostal putting special emphasis on a personal experience with God through Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

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** The series of Reformations have also caused strife as well as the strife. While there has been disputes regarding and between denominations of Christianity. However, Christianity, all denominations of Christianity draw from the same Bible and Bible, worship the same God. triune God and often work together. The differences are minor, such as Presbyterians taking cues from John Calvin and being derived from Presbyterian form of church government governed by representative assemblies of elders and Pentecostal putting special emphasis on a personal experience with God through Baptism of the Holy Spirit.Spirit. The denominations that deviate from this to the point of contention and being separate are Jehovah's Witness and Mormons.
29th Jul '16 7:33:06 AM Anddrix
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*** Many, probably most, Hindus came to accept Buddhist doctrine (or aspects of it) as valid, and the Brahmin priests were forced to accept that. The ''real'' BaseBreaker among Hindus when it comes to Buddhism is whether Buddhism actually counts as a separate religion, or whether Buddhists are just "Hindus in denial, going by a different name," as some Hindus have argued (needless to say, most Buddhists would be rather annoyed at this characterization).

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*** Many, probably most, Hindus came to accept Buddhist doctrine (or aspects of it) as valid, and the Brahmin priests were forced to accept that. The ''real'' BaseBreaker controversy among Hindus when it comes to Buddhism is whether Buddhism actually counts as a separate religion, or whether Buddhists are just "Hindus in denial, going by a different name," as some Hindus have argued (needless to say, most Buddhists would be rather annoyed at this characterization).
21st Jul '16 9:31:52 PM conankane1
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** Since it was formed, there is the issue whether the caliphate ISIS supports is leigitimate (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this which has resulted in acts of violence, oppression and terrorist attacks. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.

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** Since it was formed, there is the issue whether the caliphate ISIS supports is leigitimate legitimate (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have Pope and an overall military leader). A caliph has religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide.worldwide, giving ISIS a lot of power if their claim was legitimate. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this which has resulted in acts of violence, oppression and terrorist attacks. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.



*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons certain key bits of the last one like it never happened. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews like the first movie but ignored the sequels. Christians think you need to watch the first two, but the third movie doesnít count--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon they liked but the fanbase as well. The Muslims think the third one was the best but appreciate the first two as well for the most part, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.

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*** [[http://unsettledchristianity.com/2009/08/how-to-explain-the-religions-of-abraham-to-the-hollywood-generation/ Think of it like a movie.]] The Torah is the first one, and the New Testament the sequel. Then the Qur'an comes out, and it retcons certain key bits of the last one like it never happened. Thereís still Jesus, but heís not the main character anymore, and he didn't die but was taken up alive to Heaven (or maybe he didn't, it's not clear), and the messiah hasnít shown up yet, although Jesus will probably (it's not clear) show up again with him (or maybe the messiah ''is'' Jesus and the other guy will show up with ''him''--look, the filmmaker focused a lot on the artistry this time and put everything in rhyming verse, which while cool muddled things up a bit). Jews like are fans of the first movie but who ignored the sequels. Christians think you need to watch are fans of the first two, but the third movie doesnít count--the style was weird, even more so the production team, and the big retcons screwed not only with the canon they liked but the fanbase as well. well. The Muslims think are fans thinking the third one was the is best but appreciate the first two as well for the most part, and Mormons liked the second one so much, they started writing fanfiction that doesnít fit with ANY of the series canon.
21st Jul '16 9:20:40 PM conankane1
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** In recent years there has been the issue that arose when the Salafi jihadist militant group that follows a fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine (better known as ISIL or ISIS) proclaimed itself a worldwide caliphate, and named Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as its caliph in 2014 (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.

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** In recent years Since it was formed, there has been is the issue that arose when whether the Salafi jihadist militant group that follows a fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine (better known as ISIL or ISIS) proclaimed itself a worldwide caliphate, and named Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as its caliph in 2014 caliphate ISIS supports is leigitimate (for the uninformed a Caliph is a person considered a religious successor to the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, or somewhat Islam's equivalent of the Pope). If their claim was true, they would have religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide. While most Muslims do not acknowledge their claim, there have been supporters and there is a lot of contention surrounding this.this which has resulted in acts of violence, oppression and terrorist attacks. The group has been designated a terrorist organisation by over 60 countries including the European Union and its member states, the United States, Australia, Russia, India, Indonesia, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran and other countries.
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