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18th Aug '16 2:47:59 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of various Native American cultures and religions, [[CriticalResearchFailure lack of insight into American culture]], and/or a [[TheyJustDidntCare cavalier attitude toward American history]]. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.

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*** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of various Native American cultures and religions, [[CriticalResearchFailure lack of insight into American culture]], and/or a [[TheyJustDidntCare cavalier attitude toward American history]].history. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.
9th Aug '16 4:23:21 PM KizunaTallis
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** One of the key factors in this was the fandom, who are famously argumentative (particularly Harry/Hermione versus Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione). That said, given the size of ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom, pretty much any strong opinion about ''any'' ships or characters could cause an argument in the wrong forum. Umbridge can at least be counted on to be universally hated, but the question of whether she was a Slytherin or a Hufflepuff still divides people.

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** One of the key factors in this was the fandom, who are famously argumentative (particularly Harry/Hermione versus Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione). the [[ShipToShipCombat Shipping Wars]]). That said, given the size of ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom, pretty much any ''any'' strong opinion about ''any'' ships or characters could cause an argument in the wrong forum. Umbridge can at least be counted on to be universally hated, but the question of whether she was a Slytherin or a Hufflepuff still divides people.



*** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of various Native American cultures and religions, lack of insight into American culture, and/or a cavalier attitude toward American history. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.
** One of the biggest broken bases of all. Reader's reactions to Snape's last words to Harry "look at me" (with Lily's eyes) followed by the revelation of Snape's entire relationship with Lily and his reaction to her death. Depending on who you ask it's either a tragic, romantic TearJerker or deeply creepy and disturbing.
*** And related to this is whether you believe Snape was a KarmaHoudini or not. Some believe that his back story and sacrifice is penance enough whereas others think that the years of Hell he put Harry and the other students through is something that one sacrifice can not reverse to the point that you should be naming your kids after him.
** In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', the subplot involving Marietta Edgecombe ratting out the DA to Umbridge because she was fearing her mother would lose her job and Hermionne [[PayEvilUntoEvil hexing her with pimples that read SNEAK on her face]] caused a notable division between those who think Marietta’s action was [[InformedWrongness justified]] and Hermione comes out as [[MoralDissonance the true bad guy]] those who side with the narrative and think Marietta got what she deserved and those who think what Marietta did was wrong but Hermione [[DisproportionateRetribution went too far in her punishment]].

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*** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of various Native American cultures and religions, [[CriticalResearchFailure lack of insight into American culture, culture]], and/or a [[TheyJustDidntCare cavalier attitude toward American history.history]]. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.
** One of the biggest broken bases of all. Reader's reactions to Snape's last words to Harry "look at me" (with Lily's eyes) followed by the revelation of Snape's entire relationship with Lily and his reaction to her death. Depending on who you ask ask, it's either a tragic, romantic TearJerker TearJerker, or deeply creepy and disturbing.
*** And related to this is whether you believe Snape was a KarmaHoudini or not. Some believe that his back story backstory and sacrifice is penance enough whereas others think that the years of Hell he put Harry and the other students through is something that one sacrifice can not cannot reverse to the point that you should be naming your kids after him.
** In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', the subplot involving Marietta Edgecombe ratting out the DA to Umbridge because she was fearing her mother would lose her job and Hermionne Hermione [[PayEvilUntoEvil hexing her with pimples that read spelled out SNEAK on her face]] caused a notable division between those who think Marietta’s Marietta's action was [[InformedWrongness justified]] not entirely unjustified]] and Hermione comes out off as [[MoralDissonance the true bad guy]] here, those who side with the narrative and think Marietta got what she deserved deserved, and those who think what Marietta did was wrong but Hermione [[DisproportionateRetribution went too far in her punishment]].
22nd Jul '16 4:56:08 AM Anddrix
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** It is simply ''physically impossible'' to find another person in the ''Literature/WarriorCats'' fandom who likes and dislikes the same characters as you. Don't even try. Almost all the main characters are prone to having several lovers and fandom, most notably being [[BaseBreaker Ashfur]], who has divided the fandom into people who believe his [[{{RoaringRampageOfRevenge}} attempts at revenge against Squirrelflight]] were completely unjustifiable and that he doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy, and people who turn all his problems and losses UpToEleven and [[{{RonTheDeathEater}} believe that Squirrelflight was manipulating and trying to hurt him purposefully]]. A middle ground would be that while [[spoiler: an attempt at murder is always wrong]], the amount of emotional pain and trauma Ashfur felt from being rejected (especially since he had been under the impression that she loved him back right until she dumped him) should warrant sympathy and understanding for what he tried to do. But there, apparently, is no such thing as a middle ground.

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** It is simply ''physically impossible'' to find another person in the ''Literature/WarriorCats'' fandom who likes and dislikes the same characters as you. Don't even try. Almost all the main characters are prone to having several lovers and fandom, most notably being [[BaseBreaker Ashfur]], Ashfur, who has divided the fandom into people who believe his [[{{RoaringRampageOfRevenge}} attempts at revenge against Squirrelflight]] were completely unjustifiable and that he doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy, and people who turn all his problems and losses UpToEleven and [[{{RonTheDeathEater}} believe that Squirrelflight was manipulating and trying to hurt him purposefully]]. A middle ground would be that while [[spoiler: an attempt at murder is always wrong]], the amount of emotional pain and trauma Ashfur felt from being rejected (especially since he had been under the impression that she loved him back right until she dumped him) should warrant sympathy and understanding for what he tried to do. But there, apparently, is no such thing as a middle ground.



*** Although not to the same degree, there is a bit of this happening with other characters. For example, if you love Leafpool, you have to hate [[DieForOurShip Nightcloud]] (or vice versa). If you love [[TheChosenOne Firestar]], you have to hate Scourge (or vice versa). If you love [[BaseBreaker Ashfur]], you have to hate Squirrelflight (or you just hate Ashfur regardless of your character preferences).

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*** Although not to the same degree, there is a bit of this happening with other characters. For example, if you love Leafpool, you have to hate [[DieForOurShip Nightcloud]] (or vice versa). If you love [[TheChosenOne Firestar]], you have to hate Scourge (or vice versa). If you love [[BaseBreaker Ashfur]], Ashfur, you have to hate Squirrelflight (or you just hate Ashfur regardless of your character preferences).



** A big BaseBreaker is the shippings. The main one is Glinda/Elphaba (Gelphie) vs Fiyero/Elphaba (Fiyeraba); it helps that both shippings have WordOfGod and canon on their side in both the musical and book.

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** A big BaseBreaker is the The shippings. The main one is Glinda/Elphaba (Gelphie) vs Fiyero/Elphaba (Fiyeraba); it helps that both shippings have WordOfGod and canon on their side in both the musical and book.
14th Jul '16 1:41:23 PM PugBuddies
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*** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of Native American culture and religion, lack of insight into American culture, and/or a cavalier attitude toward American history. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.

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*** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of various Native American culture cultures and religion, religions, lack of insight into American culture, and/or a cavalier attitude toward American history. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.
14th Jul '16 1:40:20 PM PugBuddies
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** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of Native American culture and religion, lack of insight into American culture, and/or a cavalier attitude toward American history. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.

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** *** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of Native American culture and religion, lack of insight into American culture, and/or a cavalier attitude toward American history. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.
14th Jul '16 1:39:43 PM PugBuddies
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** The representation of Slytherin house is debated a lot by fans. Some claim that Slytherin was represented poorly in the books, with too few good-natured Slytherin characters, while others feel the house's representation as snobbish, bitter and elitist was essential in the context of the story.

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** The representation of Slytherin house is debated a lot by fans. Some claim that Slytherin was represented poorly in the books, with too few good-natured Slytherin characters, characters; while others feel the house's representation as snobbish, bitter and elitist was essential in the context of the story.



** One of the biggest broken bases of all. Reader's reactions to Snapes's last words to Harry "look at me" (with Lily's eyes) followed by the revelation of Snape's entire relationship with Lily and his reaction to her death. Depending on who you ask it's either a tragic, romantic TearJerker or deeply creepy and disturbing.

to:

** Her notes on Ilvermorny and the American wizarding world in general have spawned several groups of fans. Some fans call the series offensive, citing appropriation of Native American culture and religion, lack of insight into American culture, and/or a cavalier attitude toward American history. Some fans think the information about Ilvermorny is lackluster, but nothing to make a fuss over. Others believe it's fine, and still others enjoy Rowling's take on American wizarding history.
** One of the biggest broken bases of all. Reader's reactions to Snapes's Snape's last words to Harry "look at me" (with Lily's eyes) followed by the revelation of Snape's entire relationship with Lily and his reaction to her death. Depending on who you ask it's either a tragic, romantic TearJerker or deeply creepy and disturbing.



** In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', the subplot involving Marietta Edgecomb ratting out the DA to Umbridge because she was fearing her mother would lose her job and Hermionne [[PayEvilUntoEvil hexing her with pimples that read SNEAK on her face]] caused a notable division between those who think Marietta’s action was [[InformedWrongness justified]] and Hermione comes out as [[MoralDissonance the true bad guy]] those who side with the narrative and think Marietta got what she deserved and those who think what Marietta did was wrong but Hermione [[DisproportionateRetribution went too far in her punishment]].

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** In ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'', the subplot involving Marietta Edgecomb Edgecombe ratting out the DA to Umbridge because she was fearing her mother would lose her job and Hermionne [[PayEvilUntoEvil hexing her with pimples that read SNEAK on her face]] caused a notable division between those who think Marietta’s action was [[InformedWrongness justified]] and Hermione comes out as [[MoralDissonance the true bad guy]] those who side with the narrative and think Marietta got what she deserved and those who think what Marietta did was wrong but Hermione [[DisproportionateRetribution went too far in her punishment]].
16th Apr '16 3:46:29 AM stefanvh
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** One of the key factors in this was the fandom, who are famously argumentative (particularly Harry/Hermione versus Ron/Hermione). That said, given the size of ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom, pretty much any strong opinion about ''any'' ships or characters could cause an argument in the wrong forum. Umbridge can at least be counted on to be universally hated, but the question of whether she was a Slytherin or a Hufflepuff still divides people.

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** One of the key factors in this was the fandom, who are famously argumentative (particularly Harry/Hermione versus Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione). That said, given the size of ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fandom, pretty much any strong opinion about ''any'' ships or characters could cause an argument in the wrong forum. Umbridge can at least be counted on to be universally hated, but the question of whether she was a Slytherin or a Hufflepuff still divides people.
8th Dec '15 11:47:47 AM Berrenta
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* ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' caused a massive InternetBacklash, with a lot of criticism for the {{Anvilicious}} message and thinner plot.

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* ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' caused a massive InternetBacklash, backlash, with a lot of criticism for the {{Anvilicious}} message and thinner plot.
12th Nov '15 12:41:45 AM LancelotG
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* The base for ''TheHungerGames'' splits solidly down the middle at ''Mockingjay''. After its release, readers tended either to embrace it wholeheartedly or to exit the fandom stage left. Fans praise its realism and [[AnyoneCanDie ruthlessness]] as befitting of a war story; detractors frequently call the quality of its writing, as compared to the previous two books, into question.
23rd Aug '15 4:56:45 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* Paper books vs. tablets and e-readers. Many still prefer books because they don't need electricity to use (while lamps obviously need batteries or an outlet, candles can be run simply by exposing them to fire) and don't come with various hassles of electronic literature such as DRM or having one's books tied to an online accounts. Those who prefer their books in electronic form cite the far smaller amount of shelf space required and how much easier it is to carry a large literature collection on an electronic device than to carry a few dozen heavy books.
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