History BrokenBase / Film

4th Nov '16 8:04:36 PM onebossonesnake
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* ''Film/ChangingLanes'', same issues as law abiding citizen. And like that film people are once again probably projecting their own personal beliefs, and morality unto the film. People debate Ad nauseam over who was the ''worse''. Issues of class and race can also get brought up.
1st Nov '16 11:43:19 AM Anddrix
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** Some fans are annoyed by it being a live-action remake of [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} the classic film]], claiming it's unoriginal and Disney should have adapted the darker Grimm Brothers version. Others are relieved that it's faithful to the classic film, and not a DarkerAndEdgier remake like ''Film/AliceInWonderland'' or ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'' that takes extensive liberties with the plot.

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** Some fans are annoyed by it being a live-action remake of [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} the classic film]], claiming it's unoriginal and Disney should have adapted the darker Grimm Brothers version. Others are relieved that it's faithful to the classic film, and not a DarkerAndEdgier remake like ''Film/AliceInWonderland'' ''Film/AliceInWonderland2010'' or ''Film/{{Maleficent}}'' that takes extensive liberties with the plot.
19th Oct '16 6:45:38 AM erforce
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** The sequels are liked to various degrees, but are liked overall. However, part four has essentially broken the base. Some say it added more mystery and background to the series, while others say it was slow and boring and didn't explain anything.

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** The sequels are liked to various degrees, but are liked overall. However, [[Film/ParanormalActivity4 part four four]] has essentially broken the base. Some say it added more mystery and background to the series, while others say it was slow and boring and didn't explain anything.
15th Oct '16 10:51:46 AM mewmdude77
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* The fans of the ''Franchise/FinalDestination'' debate whether ''[[Film/FinalDestination3]]'' or ''[[Film/TheFinalDestination]]'' is the worse film, and people disagree on whether ''[[Film/FinalDestination5]]'' is a return to form for the series, or just as bad as the previous two films in the series.
14th Oct '16 12:21:31 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The film has caused a split between fans of the heroes' characterizations in the first film and fans of them in their solo movies, with many in the latter camp upset that AOU appears to be [[TheyJustDidntCare ignoring]] the character development they've made since then. Especially since some of the characterization choices in the first Avengers film were already contentious to begin with.

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** The film has caused a split between fans of the heroes' characterizations in the first film and fans of them in their solo movies, with many in the latter camp upset that AOU appears to be [[TheyJustDidntCare ignoring]] ignoring the character development they've made since then. Especially since some of the characterization choices in the first Avengers film were already contentious to begin with.
2nd Oct '16 3:19:36 AM ILoveCartoons9120
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** Disney fans who have accepted the [[DisneyAnimatedCanon studio]]'s shift to [[AllCGICartoon computer animation]] and consider the likes of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'', ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' and so on to be a fresh return to form after the DorkAge of the 2000s vs. Disney fans who loathe the fact that they shut down traditional animation production for good and consider all the computer-animated films they've made so far to be not as "truly Disney" as their more iconic hand-drawn animated output at best and are an unforgivable betrayal of their animation roots/principles at worst. And then there's [[TakeAThirdOption the third group]] that loves the CGI films but don't want Disney to completely abandon traditional animation. With the new style of "traditional-looking CGI", as most famously seen in the 2012 short ''Disney/{{Paperman}}'', starting to develop there's a new pillar coming into the debate.

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** Disney fans who have accepted the [[DisneyAnimatedCanon studio]]'s shift to [[AllCGICartoon computer animation]] and consider the likes of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'', ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' and so on to be a fresh return to form after the DorkAge of the 2000s vs. Disney fans who loathe the fact that they shut down traditional animation production for good and consider all the computer-animated films they've made so far to be not as "truly Disney" as their more iconic hand-drawn animated output at best and are an unforgivable betrayal of to their animation roots/principles roots and identity at worst. And then there's [[TakeAThirdOption the third group]] that loves the CGI films but don't want Disney to completely abandon traditional animation. With the new style of "traditional-looking CGI", as most famously seen in the 2012 short ''Disney/{{Paperman}}'', starting to develop there's a new pillar coming into the debate.
2nd Oct '16 3:17:49 AM ILoveCartoons9120
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** There are the 'classicists', who only like the stuff Creator/WaltDisney himself produced and refuse to watch anything past ''Disney/TheJungleBook'', especially with the severe changes in animation styles, modernisms in themes and dialogue, and "less timeless feel".
** In contrast, some people don't like most of the films before the current modern era (both the Disney Renaissance and Pixar), as they believe that (in terms of their themes and their stereotypes; specifically their portrayal of women and animals) a majority of them have not aged very well, whereas the modern Disney/Pixar films (heck, maybe even the live-action reboots) broach more thought-provoking themes and feature wittier dialogue, along with stereotypes that aren't as, if not at all offensive.
** Others ''only'' like the films from the 1990's. Those are the more biased 'Renaissance-era' fans.

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** There are the 'classicists', who only like the stuff films that Creator/WaltDisney himself produced and refuse to watch anything past ''Disney/TheJungleBook'', especially with the severe changes in animation styles, modernisms in themes and dialogue, and "less timeless feel".
** In contrast, some people in another group called the 'modernists', don't like most of the films before the current modern era (both the Disney Renaissance and Pixar), as they believe that (in terms of their themes and their stereotypes; specifically their portrayal of women and animals) a majority of them have not aged very well, whereas the modern Disney/Pixar films (heck, maybe even the live-action reboots) broach more thought-provoking themes and feature wittier dialogue, along with stereotypes that aren't as, if not at all offensive.
** Others ''only'' like the films from the 1990's. Those are the more biased 'Renaissance-era' fans.'Renaissance-era modernists'.



** The names of the films starting with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' is a highly controversial topic that is the source of many jokes and much scorn. There has been a trend of undescriptive, one-world titles like ''Gigantic'' and ''Frozen'' compared to older titles which are longer or outright named after the source. Many hate these names and think they sound stupid while others think this trend helps the mass-appeal of the movies.

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** The names of the films starting with ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' is a highly controversial topic that is the source of many jokes and much scorn. There has been a trend of undescriptive, one-world one-word titles like ''Gigantic'' and ''Frozen'' compared to older titles which are longer or outright named after the source. Many hate these names and think they sound stupid while others think this trend helps the mass-appeal of the movies.films and believe that the older title trend is too generic and dated for today's standards.
2nd Oct '16 3:13:39 AM ILoveCartoons9120
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** In contrast, some people don't like most of the films before the current modern era (both the Disney Renaissance and Pixar eras), since (in terms of their themes and their stereotypes; especially their portrayal of women and animals) quite a majority of them have not aged very well.

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** In contrast, some people don't like most of the films before the current modern era (both the Disney Renaissance and Pixar eras), since Pixar), as they believe that (in terms of their themes and their stereotypes; especially specifically their portrayal of women and animals) quite a majority of them have not aged very well.well, whereas the modern Disney/Pixar films (heck, maybe even the live-action reboots) broach more thought-provoking themes and feature wittier dialogue, along with stereotypes that aren't as, if not at all offensive.



** More recently there has grown a base who like the films up to ''The Jungle Book'' and on from ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', but nothing in between.

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** More recently there has grown a base who like the films up to ''The Jungle Book'' and on from ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', but nothing in between.between, especially the computer-animated films.



** Disney fans who have accepted the [[DisneyAnimatedCanon studio]]'s shift to [[AllCGICartoon computer animation]] and consider the likes of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'', ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' and so on to be a fresh return to form after the DorkAge of the 2000s vs. Disney fans who loathe the fact that they shut down traditional animation production for good and consider all the computer-animated films they've made so far to be not as "truly Disney" as their more iconic hand-drawn animated output at best and are an unforgivable betrayal of their animation roots/principles at worst. And then there's [[TakeAThirdOption the third group]] that loves the CGI movies but don't want Disney to completely abandon traditional animation. With the new style of "traditional-looking CGI", as most famously seen in the 2012 short ''Disney/{{Paperman}}'', starting to develop there's a new pillar coming into the debate.

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** Disney fans who have accepted the [[DisneyAnimatedCanon studio]]'s shift to [[AllCGICartoon computer animation]] and consider the likes of ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'', ''Disney/WreckItRalph'', ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' and so on to be a fresh return to form after the DorkAge of the 2000s vs. Disney fans who loathe the fact that they shut down traditional animation production for good and consider all the computer-animated films they've made so far to be not as "truly Disney" as their more iconic hand-drawn animated output at best and are an unforgivable betrayal of their animation roots/principles at worst. And then there's [[TakeAThirdOption the third group]] that loves the CGI movies films but don't want Disney to completely abandon traditional animation. With the new style of "traditional-looking CGI", as most famously seen in the 2012 short ''Disney/{{Paperman}}'', starting to develop there's a new pillar coming into the debate.
27th Sep '16 5:52:19 AM ILoveCartoons9120
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** There are the 'classicists', who only like the stuff Creator/WaltDisney himself produced and refuse to watch anything past ''Disney/TheJungleBook'', especially with the severe changes in animation styles, modernisms in dialogue, and less timeless feel.

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** There are the 'classicists', who only like the stuff Creator/WaltDisney himself produced and refuse to watch anything past ''Disney/TheJungleBook'', especially with the severe changes in animation styles, modernisms in themes and dialogue, and less "less timeless feel.feel".
27th Sep '16 5:50:07 AM ILoveCartoons9120
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** In contrast, some people don't like most of the films before the current modern era, since, in terms of their themes and their stereotypes (mainly their portrayal of women), not all of them have aged very well.

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** In contrast, some people don't like most of the films before the current modern era, since, in era (both the Disney Renaissance and Pixar eras), since (in terms of their themes and their stereotypes (mainly stereotypes; especially their portrayal of women), not all women and animals) quite a majority of them have not aged very well.
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