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10th Jan '17 4:26:27 PM nombretomado
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** There is a small portion of the fandom that dislikes LittleKuriboh's Abridged Series (although they may have liked it at an earlier point in time), on the basis that it "twists" and "makes needless fun of the source material", with ''most likely unintended disservice'' to the spinoffs and their fanbases. (e.g. "I just realized what the "D" stands for in "Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's"! "DONTWATCHIT!" ")

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** There is a small portion of the fandom that dislikes LittleKuriboh's Creator/LittleKuriboh's Abridged Series (although they may have liked it at an earlier point in time), on the basis that it "twists" and "makes needless fun of the source material", with ''most likely unintended disservice'' to the spinoffs and their fanbases. (e.g. "I just realized what the "D" stands for in "Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's"! "DONTWATCHIT!" ")
30th Dec '16 3:14:19 PM RoseBride
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** With the fifth series Anime/YuGiOhArcV there was new split between its fans and the fans of the [[Anime/YuGiOhZexal Zexal]]; while the fandom as whole has ''always'' discussed which series is "better" to various levels of seriousness, you'll seldom find any consensus reached in between these two fanbases, let alone people who like both series, since they both think at worst lowly of the other, and at best tolerate its presence, the reasons vary according to who you ask, but mostly it seems like Arc V fans think of Zexal as the DorkAge of the franchise, while the Zexal fans look down on Arc V for considering it too ambitious or convoluted for their tastes.
11th Dec '16 1:41:40 AM Cindy67917
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** The 25th episode's differences from the corresponding manga chapters, including [[spoiler: Eren]] entering a sort of SuperMode while fighting [[spoiler: Annie]], Armin being replaced with Mikasa in some scenes, changing [[spoiler:how Annie was finally defeated and her crystallization scene]], and the [[spoiler: "Titans in the Wall"]] [[TheReveal reveal]] being delayed until the episode's end (meaning none of the characters saw it[[spoiler: well at least until the second compilation movie came out]]). Some fans claim the show is RuinedForever due to the changes in themes and character dynamics, some dislike the changes, but don't see them as a big deal, and some think the changes improve the plot.

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** The 25th episode's differences from the corresponding manga chapters, including [[spoiler: Eren]] entering a sort of SuperMode while fighting [[spoiler: Annie]], Armin being replaced with Mikasa in some scenes, changing [[spoiler:how Annie was finally defeated and her crystallization scene]], and the [[spoiler: "Titans in the Wall"]] [[TheReveal reveal]] being delayed until the episode's end (meaning none of the characters saw it[[spoiler: it,[[spoiler: well at least until the second compilation movie came out]]). Some fans claim the show is RuinedForever [[RuinedForever ruined forever]] due to the changes in themes and character dynamics, some dislike the changes, but don't see them as a big deal, and some think the changes improve the plot.
11th Dec '16 1:38:03 AM Cindy67917
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** The 25th episode's differences from the corresponding manga chapters, including [[spoiler: Eren]] entering a sort of SuperMode while fighting [[spoiler: Annie]], Armin being replaced with Mikasa in some scenes, changing [[spoiler:how Annie was finally defeated and her crystallization scene]], and the [[spoiler: "Titans in the Wall"]] [[TheReveal reveal]] being delayed until the episode's end (meaning none of the characters saw it). Some fans claim the show is RuinedForever due to the changes in themes and character dynamics, some dislike the changes, but don't see them as a big deal, and some think the changes improve the plot.

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** The 25th episode's differences from the corresponding manga chapters, including [[spoiler: Eren]] entering a sort of SuperMode while fighting [[spoiler: Annie]], Armin being replaced with Mikasa in some scenes, changing [[spoiler:how Annie was finally defeated and her crystallization scene]], and the [[spoiler: "Titans in the Wall"]] [[TheReveal reveal]] being delayed until the episode's end (meaning none of the characters saw it).it[[spoiler: well at least until the second compilation movie came out]]). Some fans claim the show is RuinedForever due to the changes in themes and character dynamics, some dislike the changes, but don't see them as a big deal, and some think the changes improve the plot.
26th Nov '16 5:54:14 PM Pichu-kun
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** Fans split over which ending is "better": the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion original TV series]] ending or the one from ''Anime/EndOfEvangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.[[note]]The TV series ending could be considered as taking place during second half of the film, which is just as mind-boggling as the original ending, if not more so.[[/note]]

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** Fans split over which ending is "better": the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion original TV series]] ending or the one from ''Anime/EndOfEvangelion.''The End Of Evangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.[[note]]The TV series ending could be considered as taking place during second half of the film, which is just as mind-boggling as the original ending, if not more so.[[/note]]
26th Nov '16 5:25:41 PM Pichu-kun
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** The original English dubs of the anime. Are they worth watching or are they dated, horrible {{mackere}}'s only worth watching for nostalgia (and even that is arguable)? Most fans have a negative view on the dub and mock it however others honestly enjoy it and think it's a good dub (especially for its time period). Then there are those who enjoy them for how hilarious the dubbing, censorship, and voices can be instead of the quality of the dubbed version itself.
** Which Rei is best: the manga version or the 90s anime version? Rei had the heaviest AdaptationalPersonalityChange by far in the series and is almost a completely different character in the 90s anime compared to the manga. Rei in the manga is an AloofDarkHairedGirl and a CelibateHero while in the 90s anime she is a {{tsundere}}, HotBlooded, and a SmittenTeenageGirl. The major difference in character causes her to behave completely differently between the media and changes her dynamics with the other Senshi. For most of the history of the fandom, most fans leaned towards the 90s version due to AdaptationDisplacement however the creation of the TruerToText ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' has gotten more fans to notice manga!Rei and has reopened old wounds.

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** The original English dubs of the anime. Are they worth watching or are they dated, horrible {{mackere}}'s {{macekre}}'s only worth watching for nostalgia (and even that is arguable)? Most fans have a negative view on the dub and mock it however others honestly enjoy it and think it's a good dub (especially for its time period). Then there are those who enjoy them for how hilarious the dubbing, censorship, and voices can be instead of the quality of the dubbed version itself.
** Which Rei is best: the manga version or the 90s anime version? Rei had the heaviest AdaptationalPersonalityChange by far in the series and is almost a completely different character in the 90s anime compared to the manga. Rei in the manga is an AloofDarkHairedGirl and a CelibateHero while in the 90s anime she is a {{tsundere}}, HotBlooded, and a SmittenTeenageGirl. The major difference in character causes her to behave completely differently between the media and changes her dynamics with the other Senshi. For most of the history of the fandom, most fans leaned towards the 90s version due to AdaptationDisplacement however the creation of the TruerToText TruerToTheText ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' has gotten more fans to notice manga!Rei and has reopened old wounds.



* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'':
** Fans split over which ending is "better": the original TV series ending or the one from ''End of Evangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.[[note]]The TV series ending could be considered as taking place during second half of the film, which is just as mind-boggling as the original ending, if not more so.[[/note]]
** There's a smaller but still noticeable split between fans who prefer the original anime and those who prefer the ''Rebuild of Evangelion'' films. The first film looked like a simple film adaptation of the original series but by the second film it was clear that they took place in an AlternateUniverse. There's a division between those who skip straight to ''Rebuild'' due to it being newer (and thus ''arguably'' having better animation) and quicker to watch, those who insist on watching the original series first, and those who like the original series but not the ''Rebuild'' films.

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* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'':
''Franchise/NeonGenesisEvangelion'':
** Fans split over which ending is "better": the [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion original TV series series]] ending or the one from ''End of Evangelion.''Anime/EndOfEvangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.[[note]]The TV series ending could be considered as taking place during second half of the film, which is just as mind-boggling as the original ending, if not more so.[[/note]]
** There's a smaller but still noticeable split between fans who prefer the original anime and those who prefer the ''Rebuild of Evangelion'' ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' films. The first film looked like a simple film adaptation of the original series but by the second film it was clear that they took place in an AlternateUniverse. There's a division between those who skip straight to ''Rebuild'' due to it being newer (and thus ''arguably'' having better animation) and quicker to watch, those who insist on watching the original series first, and those who like the original series but not the ''Rebuild'' films.
26th Nov '16 5:15:47 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'':
** The designs for ''Crystal'' have fans divided: some hate the NoodlePeople character designs, while others love them for being artistically TruerToTheText. John Stocker, one of the directors of the 90s Canadian dub commented the skinny designs made them look spider-like and unrealistic.
** New [=VAs=]: Some are happy Creator/KotonoMitsuishi is back, others wish that the title role had been recast; or, by contrast, that the entire classic cast had {{Role Reprisal}}s.
** Ami being introduced in Act 2. Some like the return to the manga's pacing for cutting the fat from the story, while others say that Usagi's time as a solo hero was an important part of her CharacterDevelopment in the previous anime.
** The anime, despite being advertised as being TruerToTheText, ''still'' deviating from the manga, like making Minako come across more as a loner (a reference or trait carried over from the live action [=PGSM=] series), making Sailor Moon be the one to ultimately kill Queen Beryl (when it was Venus in the manga) or letting the Shitennou live beyond their respective episodes. Some know that this has to do with episodes running longer than a ~30 page manga chapter, others feel cheated that the advertising lied to them and they still do not have an animated version of the manga.

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* ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'':
''Franchise/SailorMoon'':
** The designs original English dubs of the anime. Are they worth watching or are they dated, horrible {{mackere}}'s only worth watching for ''Crystal'' nostalgia (and even that is arguable)? Most fans have fans divided: some hate a negative view on the NoodlePeople dub and mock it however others honestly enjoy it and think it's a good dub (especially for its time period). Then there are those who enjoy them for how hilarious the dubbing, censorship, and voices can be instead of the quality of the dubbed version itself.
** Which Rei is best: the manga version or the 90s anime version? Rei had the heaviest AdaptationalPersonalityChange by far in the series and is almost a completely different
character designs, while others love them for being artistically TruerToTheText. John Stocker, one of the directors of in the 90s Canadian dub commented the skinny designs made them look spider-like and unrealistic.
** New [=VAs=]: Some are happy Creator/KotonoMitsuishi is back, others wish that the title role had been recast; or, by contrast, that the entire classic cast had {{Role Reprisal}}s.
** Ami being introduced in Act 2. Some like the return
anime compared to the manga's pacing for cutting the fat from the story, while others say that Usagi's time as a solo hero was an important part of her CharacterDevelopment manga. Rei in the previous anime.
** The anime, despite being advertised as being TruerToTheText, ''still'' deviating from the manga, like making Minako come across more as
manga is an AloofDarkHairedGirl and a loner (a reference or trait carried over from the live action [=PGSM=] series), making Sailor Moon be the one to ultimately kill Queen Beryl (when it was Venus CelibateHero while in the manga) or letting 90s anime she is a {{tsundere}}, HotBlooded, and a SmittenTeenageGirl. The major difference in character causes her to behave completely differently between the Shitennou live beyond their respective episodes. Some know that this has to do media and changes her dynamics with episodes running longer than a ~30 page manga chapter, others feel cheated that the advertising lied to them and they still do not have an animated other Senshi. For most of the history of the fandom, most fans leaned towards the 90s version due to AdaptationDisplacement however the creation of the manga.TruerToText ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' has gotten more fans to notice manga!Rei and has reopened old wounds.



* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' fandom when it comes to the manga and ''Brotherhood'' (the second anime that follows its continuity) versus [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]]. The latter was a PragmaticAdaptation that OvertookTheManga, and thus there are ''huge'' differences in plot, character development, and even themes between the two continuities. While most fans like both to at least some extent, nearly all have a preference one way or the other, and the fandom remains fiercely divided over which is better.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' ''Franchise/FullmetalAlchemist'' fandom when it comes to the manga [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist manga]] and ''Brotherhood'' (the second anime that follows its continuity) versus [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]]. The latter was a PragmaticAdaptation that OvertookTheManga, and thus there are ''huge'' differences in plot, character development, and even themes between the two continuities. While most fans like both to at least some extent, nearly all have a preference one way or the other, and the fandom remains fiercely divided over which is better.



** Certain ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' changes are this. The most common is the AdaptationalVillainy of the Indigo Elite 4 and several of their gym leaders: Interesting changes that made the manga more interesting or an OutOfCharacter defilement that was only used to make the series seem DarkerAndEdgier. There are also those who are upset that the characters don't match their game personalities or their {{fanon}} interpretations (such as White not being a {{tomboy}} or Shauna suffering an AdaptationalAngstUpgrade).

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** Certain ''Manga/PokemonAdventures'' changes are this. The most common is the AdaptationalVillainy of the Indigo Elite 4 and several of their gym leaders: Interesting changes that made the manga more interesting or an OutOfCharacter defilement that was only used to make the series seem DarkerAndEdgier. There are also those who are upset that the characters don't match their game personalities or their {{fanon}} interpretations (such as White not being a {{tomboy}} {{tomboy}}, Lack-Two being serious, or Shauna suffering an AdaptationalAngstUpgrade).



* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that a short GroundhogDayLoop story was adapted into 8 full episodes with little variance between them, and that those episodes took up half the season's episode count. You either believe that it was all meaningless {{Filler}} that wasted half a season on what was a single, brief story in the novels or a clever MindScrew that forced the viewer to share [[[spoiler:Yuki's]] pain in [[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror being the sole person fully aware of each loop for almost 595 years and being unable to do anything about it]]]]. Which side you're on also may depend how you first experienced it. Were you a fan that was watching the episodes each week as it was coming out or a fan who came in after the fact and could [[BetterOnDVD watch the episodes at their own pace]].
** Unique in that it managed to not only split the fan base, but the entire cast and directing crew as well. Some people got in serious trouble over Endless Eight and the fan reaction.
* Fans of ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' split over which ending is "better": the original TV series ending or the one from ''End of Evangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.[[note]]The TV series ending could be considered as taking place during second half of the film, which is just as mind-boggling as the original ending, if not more so.[[/note]]

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* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that a short GroundhogDayLoop story was adapted into 8 full episodes with little variance between them, and that those episodes took up half the season's episode count. You either believe that it was all meaningless {{Filler}} that wasted half a season on what was a single, brief story in the novels or a clever MindScrew that forced the viewer to share [[[spoiler:Yuki's]] pain in [[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror being the sole person fully aware of each loop for almost 595 years and being unable to do anything about it]]]]. Which side you're on also may depend how you first experienced it. Were you a fan that was watching the episodes each week as it was coming out or a fan who came in after the fact and could [[BetterOnDVD watch the episodes at their own pace]].
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pace]]. Unique in that it managed to not only split the fan base, but the entire cast and directing crew as well. Some people got in serious trouble over Endless Eight and the fan reaction.
* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'':
**
Fans of ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' split over which ending is "better": the original TV series ending or the one from ''End of Evangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.[[note]]The TV series ending could be considered as taking place during second half of the film, which is just as mind-boggling as the original ending, if not more so.[[/note]][[/note]]
** There's a smaller but still noticeable split between fans who prefer the original anime and those who prefer the ''Rebuild of Evangelion'' films. The first film looked like a simple film adaptation of the original series but by the second film it was clear that they took place in an AlternateUniverse. There's a division between those who skip straight to ''Rebuild'' due to it being newer (and thus ''arguably'' having better animation) and quicker to watch, those who insist on watching the original series first, and those who like the original series but not the ''Rebuild'' films.



** Which is better: ''Dragon Ball'' or ''Dragon Ball Z''? Most fans lean to the latter especially due to SequelDisplacement however many fans of the pre-Z series loathe ''Z'' or consider it inferior. Goku being a saiyan [[ItWasHisSled isn't even a spoiler anymore]] however the topic of whether Goku being an alien is a ShockingSwerve or not depends on the fan.

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** Which is better: ''Dragon Ball'' or ''Dragon Ball Z''? Most fans lean to the latter especially due to SequelDisplacement however many fans of the pre-Z pre-''Z'' series loathe ''Z'' or consider it inferior. Goku being a saiyan [[ItWasHisSled isn't even a spoiler anymore]] however the topic of whether Goku being an alien is a ShockingSwerve or not depends on the fan.



* ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaForce'' and ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaVivid'' mangas. [=ViVid=] was well received, but a significant minority of readers who had been fans of [=StrikerS=] and the sci-fi direction the franchise had gone in looked down on it. Force, meanwhile, is rarely viewed with better than neutrality; it has almost completely ditched the MagicalGirl elements, has a male protagonist (which set the [[BishoujoGenre Bishojo]] and {{Lolicon}} fans up in arms) and set off a LensmanArmsRace of [[StoryBreakerPower Story Breaker Powers]], which angered the science fiction half of the fandom.

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* ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaForce'' ''Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Force'' and ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaVivid'' mangas. [=ViVid=] ''[=ViVid=]'' was well received, but a significant minority of readers who had been fans of [=StrikerS=] ''[=StrikerS=]'' and the sci-fi direction the franchise had gone in looked down on it. Force, meanwhile, is rarely viewed with better than neutrality; it has almost completely ditched the MagicalGirl elements, has a male protagonist (which set the [[BishoujoGenre Bishojo]] and {{Lolicon}} fans up in arms) and set off a LensmanArmsRace of [[StoryBreakerPower Story Breaker Powers]], which angered the science fiction half of the fandom.


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* Fans of ''Manga/WanderingSon'' are split on treatment of Takatsuki in the final chapters of the manga. Was it a ShockingSwerve to [[spoiler:imply after all that happened that she probably wasn't trangender]] or was it reasonably TruthInTelevision? Was it foreshadowed or not? Even more so, [[spoiler:what ''is'' [[AmbiguousGenderIdentity Takatsuki's gender]]? Is she closeted, confused, nonbinary, or really just not trans?]]
14th Nov '16 6:38:20 AM kyojikasshu
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** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' already has a sizable Broken Base entry on its own [[YMMV/DragonBallSuper YMMV page]]. Topics of debate range from the quality of animation, the development of characters, whether or not they should have adapted the two latest movies into the first two arcs of the series, and so much more.
5th Nov '16 6:33:39 PM Berrenta
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** There's also a divide between people who like the anime and people who think [[AudienceColoringAdaptation it does more harm than good for the games]]. The latter tend to want an adaptation that's [[TruerToTheText truer to the games]], like ''Anime/PokemonOrigins''.

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** There's also a divide between people who like the anime and people who think [[AudienceColoringAdaptation it does more harm than good for the games]].games. The latter tend to want an adaptation that's [[TruerToTheText truer to the games]], like ''Anime/PokemonOrigins''.
5th Nov '16 6:10:19 PM Berrenta
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** There's also a divide between people who like the anime and people who think [[InkStainAdaptation it does more harm than good for the games]]. The latter tend to want an adaptation that's [[TruerToTheText truer to the games]], like ''Anime/PokemonOrigins''.

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** There's also a divide between people who like the anime and people who think [[InkStainAdaptation [[AudienceColoringAdaptation it does more harm than good for the games]]. The latter tend to want an adaptation that's [[TruerToTheText truer to the games]], like ''Anime/PokemonOrigins''.
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