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5th Feb '18 7:13:14 AM WildKatGirl
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* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'': The original English dubs of the anime. Are they worth watching or are they dated, horrible {{macekre}}'s only worth watching for nostalgia (and even that is arguable)? Most fans have a negative view on the dub and mock it however others honestly enjoy it and think it's a good dub (especially for its time period). Then there are those who enjoy them for how hilarious the dubbing, censorship, and voices can be instead of the quality of the dubbed version itself.

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* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'': The original English dubs of the anime. Are they worth watching or are they dated, horrible {{macekre}}'s {{Macekre}}s only worth watching for nostalgia (and even that is arguable)? Most fans have a negative view on the dub and mock it however others honestly enjoy it and think it's a good dub (especially for its time period). Then there are those who enjoy them for how hilarious the dubbing, censorship, and voices can be instead of the quality of the dubbed version itself.
27th Jan '18 7:02:52 PM magnum12
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* To ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' fans, the sequel movie known as ''[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]]'' is ''extremely'' contentious--mainly due to the part where [[spoiler:Homura usurps Madoka and becomes a demon, creating a better world for everyone (except Madoka... probably), but in a morally questionable and manipulative way]]. Some people consider this ending a complete trainwreck, and will usually claim [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness it was so out-of-character]] that [[FanonDiscontinuity the entire movie (or just the final-act twist) didn't really happen]]. But some people love it, because of some combination of [[DarkerAndEdgier the coolness/edginess/tragicness]], the fact that [[IKnewIt they saw the big twist coming]], or the [[MindScrew sheer wild complexity of the whole thing]]. There isn't much middle ground. The related question of whether [[spoiler:Homura's decision to take over the universe]] was good or evil can generate heated arguments at a moment's notice, which generally go nowhere because viewers' opinions on this question are absolutely unshakeable.

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* To ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' fans, the sequel movie known as ''[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Rebellion]]'' is ''extremely'' contentious--mainly due to the part where [[spoiler:Homura usurps Madoka and becomes a demon, creating a better world for everyone (except Madoka... probably), but in a morally questionable and manipulative way]]. Some people consider this ending a complete trainwreck, and will usually claim [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness it was so out-of-character]] that [[FanonDiscontinuity the entire movie (or just the final-act twist) didn't really happen]]. But some people love it, because of some combination of [[DarkerAndEdgier the coolness/edginess/tragicness]], the fact that [[IKnewIt they saw the big twist coming]], or the [[MindScrew sheer wild complexity of the whole thing]]. There isn't much middle ground. The related question of whether [[spoiler:Homura's decision to take over the universe]] was good or evil can generate heated arguments at a moment's notice, which generally go nowhere because viewers' opinions on this question are absolutely unshakeable. There's also a third "EndingAversion" faction who flat out refuses to watch the movie out of disgust towards the ending (having seen the spoilers).
31st Dec '17 9:48:43 AM rjd1922
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* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that a short GroundhogDayLoop story was adapted into 8 full episodes with little variance between them, and that those episodes took up half the season's episode count. You either believe that it was all meaningless {{Filler}} that wasted half a season on what was a single, brief story in the novels or a clever MindScrew that forced the viewer to share [[[spoiler:Yuki's]] pain in [[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror being the sole person fully aware of each loop for almost 595 years and being unable to do anything about it]]]]. Which side you're on also may depend how you first experienced it. Were you a fan that was watching the episodes each week as it was coming out or a fan who came in after the fact and could [[BetterOnDVD watch the episodes at their own pace]]. Unique in that it managed to not only split the fan base, but the entire cast and directing crew as well. Some people got in serious trouble over Endless Eight and the fan reaction.

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* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that a short GroundhogDayLoop story was adapted into 8 full episodes with little variance between them, and that those episodes took up half the season's episode count. You either believe that it was all meaningless {{Filler}} that wasted half a season on what was a single, brief story in the novels or a clever MindScrew that forced the viewer to share [[[spoiler:Yuki's]] [[spoiler:Yuki's]] pain in [[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror being the sole person fully aware of each loop for almost 595 years and being unable to do anything about it]]]]. Which side you're on also may depend how you first experienced it. Were you a fan that was watching the episodes each week as it was coming out or a fan who came in after the fact and could [[BetterOnDVD watch the episodes at their own pace]]. Unique in that it managed to not only split the fan base, but the entire cast and directing crew as well. Some people got in serious trouble over Endless Eight and the fan reaction.
5th Sep '17 10:04:31 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The stereotypical portrayal of the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' fandom is essentially older fans shouting "ItsPopularNowItSucks", while the fans who got into the franchise through newer shows like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' mock them for their TrueArtIsAngsty attitude. This attitude was very prevalent in the early 2000s when ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam Wing'' became many people's GatewaySeries into both anime in general and ''Gundam'' specifically. As Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans aired and ''Anime News Network'' released critically slamming reviews of beloved entries, the fandom broke into so many pieces it warranted its own [[Gundam/FandomRivalry fandom rivalry page]] due to all the chronic in fighting.

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* The stereotypical portrayal of the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' fandom is essentially older fans shouting "ItsPopularNowItSucks", while the fans who got into the franchise through newer shows like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' mock them for their TrueArtIsAngsty attitude. This attitude was very prevalent in the early 2000s when ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam Wing'' became many people's GatewaySeries into both anime in general and ''Gundam'' specifically. As Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans'' aired and ''Anime News Network'' released critically slamming reviews of beloved entries, the fandom broke into so many pieces it warranted its own [[Gundam/FandomRivalry [[FandomRivalry/{{Gundam}} fandom rivalry page]] due to all the chronic in fighting.
5th Sep '17 10:02:23 AM YapoolSeijin
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* The stereotypical portrayal of the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' fandom is essentially older fans shouting "ItsPopularNowItSucks", while the fans who got into the franchise through newer shows like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' mock them for their TrueArtIsAngsty attitude. This attitude was very prevalent in the early 2000s when ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam Wing'' became many people's GatewaySeries into both anime in general and ''Gundam'' specifically.

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* The stereotypical portrayal of the ''Franchise/{{Gundam}}'' fandom is essentially older fans shouting "ItsPopularNowItSucks", while the fans who got into the franchise through newer shows like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' mock them for their TrueArtIsAngsty attitude. This attitude was very prevalent in the early 2000s when ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam Wing'' became many people's GatewaySeries into both anime in general and ''Gundam'' specifically. As Anime/MobileSuitGundamIronBloodedOrphans aired and ''Anime News Network'' released critically slamming reviews of beloved entries, the fandom broke into so many pieces it warranted its own [[Gundam/FandomRivalry fandom rivalry page]] due to all the chronic in fighting.
13th Aug '17 1:00:41 PM rjd1922
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* Fans of ''Franchise/FullmetalAlchemist'' are generally VERY vocal about whether [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]] or the [[TruerToTheText Truer to the Manga]] ''[[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Bullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood]]'' is better. Mention your preference over either can, and will provoke [[BerserkButton very passionate responses]] asserting the contrary. [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]], however, as most fans agree that both series are still quite good and very few wouldn't recommend watching both.

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* Fans of ''Franchise/FullmetalAlchemist'' are generally VERY vocal about whether [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]] or the [[TruerToTheText Truer to the Manga]] ''[[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Bullmetal Alchemist Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood]]'' is better. Mention your preference over either can, and will provoke [[BerserkButton very passionate responses]] asserting the contrary. [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]], however, as most fans agree that both series are still quite good and very few wouldn't recommend watching both.
31st Jul '17 4:49:01 PM rjd1922
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* ''Franchise/YuGiOh'': With the fifth series Anime/YuGiOhArcV there was a split between its fans and the fans of [[Anime/YuGiOhZexal Zexal]]; while the fandom as whole has ''always'' discussed which series is "better" to various levels of seriousness, you'll seldom find any consensus reached in between these two fanbases, let alone people who like both series. The reasons vary according to who you ask, but mostly it seems like Arc V fans think of Zexal as the DorkAge of the franchise, while the Zexal fans look down on Arc V for considering it too ambitious or convoluted for their tastes.
* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that a short GroundhogDayLoop story was adapted into 8 full episodes with little variance between them, and that those episodes took up half the season's episode count. You either believe that it was all meaningless {{Filler}} that wasted half a season on what was a single, brief story in the novels or a clever MindScrew that forced the viewer to share [[[spoiler:Yuki's]] pain in [[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror being the sole person fully aware of each loop for almost 595 years and being unable to do anything about it]]]]. Which side you're on also may depend how you first experienced it. Were you a fan that was watching the episodes each week as it was coming out or a fan who came in after the fact and could [[BetterOnDVD watch the episodes at their own pace]]. Unique in that it managed to not only split the fan base, but the entire cast and directing crew as well. Some people got in serious trouble over Endless Eight and the fan reaction.

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* ''Franchise/YuGiOh'': With the fifth series Anime/YuGiOhArcV series, ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'', there was a split between its fans and the fans of [[Anime/YuGiOhZexal Zexal]]; while the fandom as whole has ''always'' discussed which series is "better" to various levels of seriousness, you'll seldom find any consensus reached in between these two fanbases, let alone people who like both series. The reasons vary according to who you ask, but mostly it seems like Arc V fans think of Zexal as the DorkAge of the franchise, while the Zexal fans look down on Arc V for considering it too ambitious or convoluted for their tastes.
* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy Of of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that a short GroundhogDayLoop story was adapted into 8 full episodes with little variance between them, and that those episodes took up half the season's episode count. You either believe that it was all meaningless {{Filler}} that wasted half a season on what was a single, brief story in the novels or a clever MindScrew that forced the viewer to share [[[spoiler:Yuki's]] pain in [[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror being the sole person fully aware of each loop for almost 595 years and being unable to do anything about it]]]]. Which side you're on also may depend how you first experienced it. Were you a fan that was watching the episodes each week as it was coming out or a fan who came in after the fact and could [[BetterOnDVD watch the episodes at their own pace]]. Unique in that it managed to not only split the fan base, but the entire cast and directing crew as well. Some people got in serious trouble over Endless Eight and the fan reaction.



* ''{{Naruto}}'': Uchiha Itachi's [[spoiler: true backstory.]] At least in the American fanbase, this plot twist split the franchise right down the middle to absolutely polarizing extremes. Those who loved the plot twist venerate Itachi as some kind of tragic hero, while those who hate the plot twist continuously paint him in a bad light or make him as Wangst-y and obsessive as possible. The split created some of the strongest sections of the Naruto Hatedom, some of which last to this day.

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* ''{{Naruto}}'': Fans of ''Franchise/FullmetalAlchemist'' are generally VERY vocal about whether [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]] or the [[TruerToTheText Truer to the Manga]] ''[[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist Bullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood]]'' is better. Mention your preference over either can, and will provoke [[BerserkButton very passionate responses]] asserting the contrary. [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]], however, as most fans agree that both series are still quite good and very few wouldn't recommend watching both.
* ''Franchise/{{Naruto}}'':
Uchiha Itachi's [[spoiler: true backstory.]] At least in the American fanbase, this plot twist split the franchise right down the middle to absolutely polarizing extremes. Those who loved the plot twist venerate Itachi as some kind of tragic hero, while those who hate the plot twist continuously paint him in a bad light or make him as Wangst-y and obsessive as possible. The split created some of the strongest sections of the Naruto Hatedom, some of which last to this day.
28th May '17 5:41:40 AM HighCrate
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* ''Manga/SangatsuNoLion'': When it was first announced that Creator/StudioShaft would be the ones to produce the anime adaptation, the reactions of the manga's pre-existing fanbase were noticeably divided. With the series being a down-to-earth slice-of-life/drama starkly contrasting with the image Shaft built of themselves through their signatures and directorial quirks (particularly with the ''Monogatari'' series), Shaft was almost no one's first pick/guess toward who would be adapting the series, especially when the author's previous major work, ''Honey and Clover'', was handled competently by Creator/JCStaff, which many had assumed would be the ones to handle it when the anime itself was first announced. Opinions were largely connected to how one thought of Creator/StudioShaft and whether or not they were capable of handling something out of their usual element. Arguments largely died down once the show actually aired, though a small fraction that believes the studio didn't do the source material justice still exists.
27th May '17 11:45:17 PM Bakazuki
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* ''Manga/SangatsuNoLion'': When it was first announced that Creator/StudioShaft would be the ones to produce the anime adaptation, the reactions of the manga's pre-existing fanbase were noticeably divided. With the series being a down-to-earth slice-of-life/drama starkly contrasting with the image Shaft built of themselves through their signatures and directorial quirks (particularly with the ''Monogatari'' series), Shaft was almost no one's first pick/guess toward who would be adapting the series, especially when the author's previous major work, ''Honey and Clover'', was handled competently by Creator/JCStaff, which many had assumed would be the ones to handle it when the anime itself was first announced. Opinions were largely connected to how one thought of Creator/StudioShaft and whether or not they were capable of handling something out of their usual element. Arguments largely died down once the show actually aired, though a small fraction that believes the studio didn't do the source material justice still exists.
19th May '17 6:19:18 AM HighCrate
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** Uchiha Sasuke, especially after the Itachi twist. He's actually responsible for two variants of this. One, the Japanese part of the fandom likes Sasuke, but [[AmericansHateTingle the American part largely]] ''[[AmericansHateTingle despises]]'' [[AmericansHateTingle him]] (part of this is due to CultureClash, as the Japanese emphasis on family and honor would have Sasuke's desire for vengeance as reasonable, whereas in America, it's more of a grey area). The second type is more standard, with part of the fandom viewing him as part of a SpotlightStealingSquad and a MarySue, whereas the other part views him as at least a decent duterotagonist because of the whole AlwaysSomeoneBetter dynamic with Naruto.
** [[spoiler:Uchiha Obito]], full-stop. One group of fans worships him as the gloriously villainous asshole that he (arguably) is. Another group hates him and the preferential treatment he gets from the author through[[spoiler: being redeemed, having his heroic death, getting to spend his afterlife with the girl he loves, and despite (arguably) ruining Naruto's life and killing (indirectly or otherwise) several of his friends/his parents, Naruto respects Obito and calls him "the coolest guy"]]. And then there's the third group of fans, who [[spoiler:deny Obito's existence outside of Kakashi Gaiden entirely, because they hate everything about the plot twist that led to his survival and eventual turn to evil]]. The vitriol between the three groups is downright acidic; there's little to no overlap between them.
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