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16th Aug '16 3:33:39 PM Not_Kirie_Goshima
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* ''Manga/{{Uzumaki}}''
** Kirie Goshima; [[TheEveryman average young woman with perfectly normal reactions to everything]] or delicate [[DamselInDistress damsel-in-distress]]?
** Shuichi Saito; [[FragileFlower fragile]], mentally ill [[ShrinkingViolet recluse]] or [[TheHero badass cool guy who always saves the day (and his girlfriend)]]?
** Azami Kurotani; was she a [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale creepy sexual predator]] or just a teenage girl with a [[UnrequitedLove tragic one-sided crush?]]
** [[FanonDiscontinuity And don't even try reminding people that Chie Maruyama was an actual canon character and not some collective hallucination]].
12th Aug '16 1:34:48 PM Willbyr
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* The manga VS anime version of [[ViolinistOfHameln The Violinist of Hameln]]. The tone of the anime is very serious, whereas the manga is a dramedy, and most characters had a personality change. A lot of fans find the anime superior, whereas most fans of the manga will not talk about the TV series. The TV series is not canon, but the OVA is based off the anime, leading many fans of the TV series to likewise hate the OVA and pretend it doesn't exist, whereas fans of the OVA often hate the TV series.

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* The manga VS anime version of [[ViolinistOfHameln The Violinist of Hameln]].''Manga/ViolinistOfHameln''. The tone of the anime is very serious, whereas the manga is a dramedy, and most characters had a personality change. A lot of fans find the anime superior, whereas most fans of the manga will not talk about the TV series. The TV series is not canon, but the OVA is based off the anime, leading many fans of the TV series to likewise hate the OVA and pretend it doesn't exist, whereas fans of the OVA often hate the TV series.
11th Aug '16 11:04:44 PM Anddrix
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** The Yaoi and Shota aspects themselves can be a major BaseBreaker as well, since the manga had it be a humorous side element, [[WordOfGod which was never meant to be taken seriously]], and is easily ignorable to those who find it too {{Squick}}y while the anime focuses more on it which resulted in it being the major "theme" of the second season, isolating any non-[[YaoiFangirl fujoshi]] members of the fandom (of which there are ''many'').

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** The Yaoi and Shota aspects themselves can be a major BaseBreaker majorly divisive as well, since the manga had it be a humorous side element, [[WordOfGod which was never meant to be taken seriously]], and is easily ignorable to those who find it too {{Squick}}y while the anime focuses more on it which resulted in it being the major "theme" of the second season, isolating any non-[[YaoiFangirl fujoshi]] members of the fandom (of which there are ''many'').
19th Jul '16 4:23:11 PM RacattackForce
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* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that one small story was adapted into 8 full episodes with the exact same events each time, and that those 8 episodes took up the majority of the second season's episode count. Add in the fact that the fandom were expecting, after being teased that it would happen, that the series' probably most celebrated story arc would be adapted that season and instead got Endless Eight without being told how long it would last, so a lot of fans kept clinging to the hope that EE would end soon and the next arc would start, but with every new Endless Eight crushing that hope, well, you can probably see where some fans are coming from.

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* The Endless Eight arc of ''[[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya The Melancholy Of Haruhi Suzumiya]]'' anime has sharply divided the once-strong fanbase. The main problem wasn't that it was adapted, it's that one small a short GroundhogDayLoop story was adapted into 8 full episodes with the exact same events each time, little variance between them, and that those 8 episodes took up half the majority of the second season's episode count. Add You either believe that it was all meaningless {{Filler}} that wasted half a season on what was a single, brief story in the novels or a clever MindScrew that forced the viewer to share [[[spoiler:Yuki's]] pain in [[spoiler:[[FridgeHorror being the sole person fully aware of each loop for almost 595 years and being unable to do anything about it]]]]. Which side you're on also may depend how you first experienced it. Were you a fan that was watching the episodes each week as it was coming out or a fan who came in after the fact that and could [[BetterOnDVD watch the fandom were expecting, after being teased that it would happen, that the series' probably most celebrated story arc would be adapted that season and instead got Endless Eight without being told how long it would last, so a lot of fans kept clinging to the hope that EE would end soon and the next arc would start, but with every new Endless Eight crushing that hope, well, you can probably see where some fans are coming from.episodes at their own pace]].



* Fans of ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' split over which ending is "better": the original TV series ending or the one from ''End of Evangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.

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* Fans of ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' split over which ending is "better": the original TV series ending or the one from ''End of Evangelion.'' Or whether these two are technically the same ending.[[note]]The TV series ending could be considered as taking place during second half of the film, which is just as mind-boggling as the original ending, if not more so.[[/note]]
28th Jun '16 8:53:22 PM Gamermaster
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* ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha Nanoha]] FORCE'' and ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaVivid'' mangas. [=ViVid=] was well received, but a significant minority of readers who had been fans of [=StrikerS=] and the sci-fi direction the franchise had gone in looked down on it. Force, meanwhile, is rarely viewed with better than neutrality; it has almost completely ditched the MagicalGirl elements, has a male protagonist (which set the [[BishoujoGenre Bishojo]] and {{Lolicon}} fans up in arms) and set off a LensmanArmsRace of [[StoryBreakerPower Story Breaker Powers]], which angered the science fiction half of the fandom.

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* ''[[Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha Nanoha]] FORCE'' ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaForce'' and ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaVivid'' mangas. [=ViVid=] was well received, but a significant minority of readers who had been fans of [=StrikerS=] and the sci-fi direction the franchise had gone in looked down on it. Force, meanwhile, is rarely viewed with better than neutrality; it has almost completely ditched the MagicalGirl elements, has a male protagonist (which set the [[BishoujoGenre Bishojo]] and {{Lolicon}} fans up in arms) and set off a LensmanArmsRace of [[StoryBreakerPower Story Breaker Powers]], which angered the science fiction half of the fandom.
23rd Jun '16 1:59:15 PM HighCrate
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* Anime as a whole has the SubbingVersusDubbing debate. Anime adaptation vs. original Manga is also a common argument.
** Official subs vs. fansubs. Despite the advent of official streaming sites with translated subtitles like Crunchyroll and Daisuki, which many fans are thankful for due to allowing them to enjoy their favorite series fully and without guilt, there are those who refuse to touch these sites and continue to pirate fan-subtitled anime due to what they feel is subpar translation quality.
** Streaming vs. watching local copies.
* Fans are divided about {{Fanservice}}, {{Moe}}, and {{Harem|Genre}}, and similar appealing-but-not-explicit elements. It has been argued that these elements can cheapen the narrative of any show, and attract [[{{otaku}} antisocial fans]] who only enjoy series because of their PerverseSexualLust for fictional characters. Other fans will argue that [[AdoredByTheNetwork such elements can not be avoided in order for a series to get a decent budget]], and to get attention from fans. A person's opinion may depend on what (if any) types of fanservice, moe, and harem elements they enjoy.
* Fans of {{tsundere}} characters come in two bases: "Classic" style vs "modern" style. It's generally regarded that in the mid-2000s the tsundere archetype in anime and manga changed dramatically and overall became {{flanderized}}. Both sides have their fans and haters.
* YuriGenre fans tend to be torn between those who throughly enjoy {{Schoolgirl Lesbian}}s and those who are sick of it and want more adult romances. This BrokenBase leans more towards manga than anime because there are a lot more manga about college age and up characters in comparison to the amount of anime that do.
* ''Manga/{{Inuyasha}}'': The Inuyasha/Kikyo vs. Inuyasha/Kagome; Inuyasha/Kagome vs. Sesshomaru/Kagome, and Sesshomaru/Rin vs. Sesshomaru/Kagome vs. Sesshomaru/Kagura.
** There's also the "loyal" fans who followed the entire series and still loved it, while there are those that gave up watching it when they believed the series had [[JumpingTheShark jumped the shark]] mid-way through, and there are those that bothered to go through the entire series, only to come out hating the entire series that it makes you wonder WHY they wasted watching all 193 episodes?
* After you get past the SubbingVersusDubbing debate, ''Manga/{{Akira}}'' then has the debate as to whether the Streamline dub or the Pioneer dub is superior. It all boils down to whether one prefers Liquid Snake or Vash the Stampede screaming "TETSUO!!!!"
** Several dubs of Ghibli movies have had similarly heated debates: fans in general can't seem to unanimously agree about whether the Streamline dub or the {{Creator/Disney}} dub of ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService'', ''Anime/CastleInTheSky'', ''Anime/MyNeighborTotoro'', and ''Anime/PorcoRosso'' is superior. (All the more dubious because Carl Macek, who helmed the original dubs for ''Totoro'' and ''Kiki'', was dissatisfied with the original dub of ''Laputa'' , which was hastily made by an unknown company and picked up by them for distribution. Likewise with ''Porco Rosso''.) Hey, even some fans think the new version of ''Manga/NausicaaOfTheValleyOfTheWind'' is worse than the American edit of "Warriors of the Wind", despite the fact that it is an almost word-for-word faithful adaptation of the original film script!
* There was an awful lot of disagreement over the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' seasons after ''Anime/DigimonAdventure''. Did ''[[Anime/DigimonAdventure02 02]]'' suck because it downplayed the original team in favor of the newbies while being too dependent on ''Adventure'' and not being as dark as ''Tamers''? Did ''[[Anime/DigimonTamers Tamers]]'' suck because it was too serious, or because it took place in an AlternateUniverse? Did ''[[Anime/DigimonFrontier Frontier]]'' suck because it moved away from the very concept of {{Mons}}? And let's not even get into ''[[Anime/DigimonSavers Savers]]''.
** On that note, ''Anime/DigimonXrosWars'': Is it JumpingTheShark or returning to OriginalFlavor of the series? Is the plot good and genuinely unusual or is it slow moving and cliche? The fanbase can't decide.
** [[TheMovie Digimon: The Movie]] is either considered an epic piece of nostalgia from the year 2000 or a brutal butchering of the original three Japanese movies. With that said, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating there does indeed seem to be a general consensus about the Angela Anaconda short.]]
* ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' fans have split ideas about Bakugou. A group sees he as a JerkSue and CreatorsPet that never had to face the consequences of the awful things he done to Midoriya, but still gets all the praise and attention from the heroes and teachers due to his powers and fighting abilities, it got worse after he [[spoiler: won the School Sports Tournament]]. Others see him as someone who is slowly being forced to take big gulps of HumblePie and going through strong CharacterDevelopment and argue that he had plenty of ButtMonkey moments and that he [[spoiler:did not liked his victory since Todoroki didn't use his fire powers to fight.]]
** Also Mineta. Some see him as a LovableSexManiac and find his antics funny, other find him just plain annoying.
* ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' and the "eternal" debate about who is the most powerful gold saint (and now, with the inclusion of more of them, in Lost Canvas and Next Dimension, and even Omega, the reign for supremacy has more candidates/challengers) Fun fact: the author already did many years ago a ranking list with the powers for the characters (at least for the original golden saints from the classic era), but since it just doesn´t have logic in some cases, and in others he favour some no so popular saints, most of the fanbase just give a fuck about his list...and their eternal struggle continues...
* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' has many a debate, even to this day. Is Usagi a MarySue or not? Is Chibi Usa an annoying Usagi clone or a deep, important addition? Is Rei a complete witch or is she just assertive? Is Mamoru better than Seiya for Usagi, or vice versa? Then there is the whole lesbian thing ...
** It doesn't help that the series contains [[Manga/SailorMoon a manga]] (and sister manga series, ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'', which precedes it), an [[Anime/SailorMoon anime]], three anime movies (with [[NonSerialMovie dubious relation]] to the anime plot), [[Series/PrettyGuardianSailorMoon a live action drama]], and [[Theatre/SeraMyu several musicals]], and a ''new'' [[Anime/SailorMoonCrystal anime]] - all with semi-unique canons. For example, while Rei is a calm {{Ojou}} in the manga, she's a hot-blooded tsundere in the original anime. Then there's all the adaptions for other countries, most of which messed with the various canons to fit the morals of the place adapting the manga/anime/etc..
** Also, if TheNineties English dub was a horrible anathema for its censorship, or was generally justified and good on its own merits.

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* Anime as a whole has the SubbingVersusDubbing debate. Anime adaptation vs. original Manga is also a common argument.
* ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'':
** Official subs vs. fansubs. Despite the advent of official streaming sites with translated subtitles like Crunchyroll and Daisuki, which many fans are thankful for due to allowing them to enjoy their favorite series fully and without guilt, there are those who refuse to touch these sites and continue to pirate fan-subtitled anime due to what they feel is subpar translation quality.
** Streaming vs. watching local copies.
* Fans are divided about {{Fanservice}}, {{Moe}}, and {{Harem|Genre}}, and similar appealing-but-not-explicit elements. It has been argued that these elements can cheapen the narrative of any show, and attract [[{{otaku}} antisocial fans]] who only enjoy series because of their PerverseSexualLust for fictional characters. Other fans will argue that [[AdoredByTheNetwork such elements can not be avoided in order for a series to get a decent budget]], and to get attention from fans. A person's opinion may depend on what (if any) types of fanservice, moe, and harem elements they enjoy.
* Fans of {{tsundere}} characters come in two bases: "Classic" style vs "modern" style. It's generally regarded that in the mid-2000s the tsundere archetype in anime and manga changed dramatically and overall became {{flanderized}}. Both sides have their fans and haters.
* YuriGenre fans tend to be torn between those who throughly enjoy {{Schoolgirl Lesbian}}s and those who are sick of it and want more adult romances. This BrokenBase leans more towards manga than anime because there are a lot more manga about college age and up characters in comparison to the amount of anime that do.
* ''Manga/{{Inuyasha}}'': The Inuyasha/Kikyo vs. Inuyasha/Kagome; Inuyasha/Kagome vs. Sesshomaru/Kagome, and Sesshomaru/Rin vs. Sesshomaru/Kagome vs. Sesshomaru/Kagura.
** There's also the "loyal" fans who followed the entire series and still loved it, while there are those that gave up watching it when they believed the series had [[JumpingTheShark jumped the shark]] mid-way through, and there are those that bothered to go through the entire series, only to come out hating the entire series that it makes you wonder WHY they wasted watching all 193 episodes?
* After you get past the SubbingVersusDubbing debate, ''Manga/{{Akira}}'' then has the debate as to whether the Streamline dub or the Pioneer dub is superior. It all boils down to whether one prefers Liquid Snake or Vash the Stampede screaming "TETSUO!!!!"
** Several dubs of Ghibli movies have had similarly heated debates: fans in general can't seem to unanimously agree about whether the Streamline dub or the {{Creator/Disney}} dub of ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService'', ''Anime/CastleInTheSky'', ''Anime/MyNeighborTotoro'', and ''Anime/PorcoRosso'' is superior. (All the more dubious because Carl Macek, who helmed the original dubs for ''Totoro'' and ''Kiki'', was dissatisfied with the original dub of ''Laputa'' , which was hastily made by an unknown company and picked up by them for distribution. Likewise with ''Porco Rosso''.) Hey, even some fans think the new version of ''Manga/NausicaaOfTheValleyOfTheWind'' is worse than the American edit of "Warriors of the Wind", despite the fact that it is an almost word-for-word faithful adaptation of the original film script!
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There was an awful lot of disagreement over the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' seasons after ''Anime/DigimonAdventure''. Did ''[[Anime/DigimonAdventure02 02]]'' suck because it downplayed the original team in favor of the newbies while being too dependent on ''Adventure'' and not being as dark as ''Tamers''? Did ''[[Anime/DigimonTamers Tamers]]'' suck because it was too serious, or because it took place in an AlternateUniverse? Did ''[[Anime/DigimonFrontier Frontier]]'' suck because it moved away from the very concept of {{Mons}}? And let's not even get into ''[[Anime/DigimonSavers Savers]]''.
** On that note, ''Anime/DigimonXrosWars'': Is it JumpingTheShark or returning to OriginalFlavor of the series? Is the plot good and genuinely unusual or is it slow moving and cliche? The fanbase can't decide.
{{Mons}}?
** [[TheMovie Digimon: The Movie]] is either considered an epic piece of nostalgia from the year 2000 or a brutal butchering of the original three Japanese movies. With that said, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating there does indeed seem to be a general consensus about the Angela Anaconda short.]]\n* ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' fans have split ideas about Bakugou. A group sees he as a JerkSue and CreatorsPet that never had to face the consequences of the awful things he done to Midoriya, but still gets all the praise and attention from the heroes and teachers due to his powers and fighting abilities, it got worse after he [[spoiler: won the School Sports Tournament]]. Others see him as someone who is slowly being forced to take big gulps of HumblePie and going through strong CharacterDevelopment and argue that he had plenty of ButtMonkey moments and that he [[spoiler:did not liked his victory since Todoroki didn't use his fire powers to fight.]]\n** Also Mineta. Some see him as a LovableSexManiac and find his antics funny, other find him just plain annoying.\n* ''Manga/SaintSeiya'' and the "eternal" debate about who is the most powerful gold saint (and now, with the inclusion of more of them, in Lost Canvas and Next Dimension, and even Omega, the reign for supremacy has more candidates/challengers) Fun fact: the author already did many years ago a ranking list with the powers for the characters (at least for the original golden saints from the classic era), but since it just doesn´t have logic in some cases, and in others he favour some no so popular saints, most of the fanbase just give a fuck about his list...and their eternal struggle continues... \n* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' has many a debate, even to this day. Is Usagi a MarySue or not? Is Chibi Usa an annoying Usagi clone or a deep, important addition? Is Rei a complete witch or is she just assertive? Is Mamoru better than Seiya for Usagi, or vice versa? Then there is the whole lesbian thing ...\n** It doesn't help that the series contains [[Manga/SailorMoon a manga]] (and sister manga series, ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'', which precedes it), an [[Anime/SailorMoon anime]], three anime movies (with [[NonSerialMovie dubious relation]] to the anime plot), [[Series/PrettyGuardianSailorMoon a live action drama]], and [[Theatre/SeraMyu several musicals]], and a ''new'' [[Anime/SailorMoonCrystal anime]] - all with semi-unique canons. For example, while Rei is a calm {{Ojou}} in the manga, she's a hot-blooded tsundere in the original anime. Then there's all the adaptions for other countries, most of which messed with the various canons to fit the morals of the place adapting the manga/anime/etc..\n** Also, if TheNineties English dub was a horrible anathema for its censorship, or was generally justified and good on its own merits.



** Some fans are unhappy with aspects of the animation itself, like lower frame rates, or the lack of comedic {{Art Shift}}s limiting Usagi's range of expression. The ConspicuousCG transition in the TransformationSequence, though CelShaded, is also proving similarly divisive, even amongst fans who like character designs and the animation quality otherwise.
** Likewise, new [=VAs=]: Some are happy Creator/KotonoMitsuishi is back, others wish that the title role had been recast; or, by contrast, that the entire classic cast had {{Role Reprisal}}s.
** The music. While Yasuharu Takanashi is certainly a brilliant composer, many fans feel disappointed in how the ''Sailor Moon Crystal'' soundtrack sounds very similar to some of his earlier ''Anime/PrettyCure'' works, especially Usagi's transformation theme, which is ''very'' reminiscent of ''[[Anime/SmilePrettyCure PreCure! Smile Charge!]]''.

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** Some fans are unhappy with aspects of the animation itself, like lower frame rates, or the lack of comedic {{Art Shift}}s limiting Usagi's range of expression. The ConspicuousCG transition in the TransformationSequence, though CelShaded, is also proving similarly divisive, even amongst fans who like character designs and the animation quality otherwise.
** Likewise, new
** New [=VAs=]: Some are happy Creator/KotonoMitsuishi is back, others wish that the title role had been recast; or, by contrast, that the entire classic cast had {{Role Reprisal}}s.
** The music. While Yasuharu Takanashi is certainly a brilliant composer, many fans feel disappointed in how the ''Sailor Moon Crystal'' soundtrack sounds very similar to some of his earlier ''Anime/PrettyCure'' works, especially Usagi's transformation theme, which is ''very'' reminiscent of ''[[Anime/SmilePrettyCure PreCure! Smile Charge!]]''.
Reprisal}}s.



** The revelation in Episode 12, that the Shitennou and the Inner Senshi were actually in love with each other during the Silver Millenium. [[WordOfGod Naoko Takeuchi]] admitted that, despite drawing an image of each Senshi paired up with one of Endymion's bodyguards, she never actually intended there to be romance between any of them, except for the hint in ''Manga/CodenameWaSailorV'' that Venus had a crush on Kunzite. Some think it's a cute little addition, others think it goes blatantly against the mangaka's words.



* Some debates have sprung up on whether or not ''Anime/CodeGeass'' and its OddlyNamedSequel underwent PlotTumor, {{Sequelitis}} or whatever else applies. The ones detesting the sequel said that many of the above apply, while the pro R2 fans defended the second season and sometimes resorted to calling the dissenters UnpleasableFanbase, just as the others yclaimed the supporters clinged to anything related to Code Geass.
** Amusingly, aside from ShipToShipCombat, the fanbase more or less raged and celebrated as one (see the hate for Suzaku and Rolo, the cheers for Kallen Combo and Orange-kun as examples) up to about R2 15, when more cracks started to appear in the base. When the bomb dropped in R2 19 (which was ironic given the literal one in the previous episode) the fan base instantly exploded. The pieces from this continued to break apart and become more vicious right up to the end and after.
*** Actually, Suzaku is something of a BaseBreaker. There are viewers who adore Lelouch and hate Suzaku, viewers who admire Suzaku and hate Lelouch, viewers who respect both, and viewers who hate both. The first group is bigger than the second, but the third seems to be the dominant interpretation of the final episode.
** Attesting to this base is the fact that the late-R2 entries for the series CMOA and Narm are often one and the same!
*** [[spoiler: The final fate of Lelouch: ReallyDeadMontage vs HesJustHiding. Even WordOfGod of the writer doesn't help, considering the DeathOfTheAuthor among rabid fandom, as well as what has been interpreted as the director preferring ShrugOfGod.]]
* The ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' fanbase is this way over Sasuke Uchiha, A.K.A. the most [[BaseBreaker divisive]] character in existence.
** And the first paragraph above pretty much perfectly describes the fanbase regarding Part II/Shippuden, with [[spoiler:the revelation of Itachi being good]] and the ending of the Pain Invasion arc probably being the most notable divisions, aside from everything Sasuke has already done.
** From the beginning, the identity of Tobi has caused feuds among the Naruto fanbase. This was apparently remedied when he revealed himself to be [[spoiler:Madara Uchiha]]. However, two hundred and some chapters later, [[spoiler:the real Madara showed up, proving this to be a lie]]. Once again, the fanbase exploded with theories. The revelation that Tobi is in fact [[spoiler:[[EvilFormerFriend Obito Uchiha]]]] has not done anything to fix this rift. In fact, it has probably made Naruto fans even angrier. It's a rare case where a broken base has effectively [[InvertedTrope REUNITED]] in its outrage at one particular moment.\\
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The base is particularly broken when we get the full story behind [[spoiler: Tobi/Obito]]'s StartOfDarkness [[spoiler: and FaceHeelTurn]]. [[spoiler:His motives can basically be summed up as, after witnessing Rin's death, deciding [[CrapsackWorld the real world is worthless]] and that he's going to create a [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans dream world where everyone is a winner]] and TheLostLenore is alive.]] Some find him a compelling villain due to his similarities to Naruto, others feel that his backstory isn't that painful and doesn't even begin to justify his actions.
** The biggest case of Broken Base in the history of Naruto started when [[spoiler: Team 7 reunited during chapters 631 and 632.]] Not only did [[ShipToShipCombat the shipping war explode]] ''again'' after [[spoiler: Minato]] made a comment on Sakura being Naruto's girlfriend (Naruto agreed) [[spoiler:and compared her to Kushina]] just after Naruto and Hinata's situation in 615 [[spoiler:(and let's not mention Sakura's sudden [[TookALevelInBadass reveal of her Regeneration Technique]])]], but the fact that [[spoiler: Sasuke said he would become Hokage regardless of what others think of him]] [[RuinedFOREVER ruined the manga for many people.]]
** The ending probably caused a worse stir by far. Kishimoto went and confirmed ''various'' OfficialCouple's - [[spoiler:Naruto/Hinata, Sasuke/Sakura, Shikamaru/Temari, Sai/Ino, and Chouji/Karui]] - that ''blew'' the fanbase into either rabid screaming or extreme joy. On the opposite spectrum many fans saw the ending as nothing but PanderingToTheBase and say it left many things unresolved.
** Very mild in comparison to everything else but Boruto's eye color caused a stir. In his original anime appearance he had purple eyes [[spoiler:[[PatchworkKids inherited from]] his mother Hinata]] but in the manga and future appearances he has blue eyes. The issue is he looks like a younger version of his dad with almost no physical traits of his mom.



** This debate even fuels FMA's [[ShipToShipCombat Ship Wars]]. Chances are if you like {{Het}}, you're going to find more friends in the [[FanNickname Mangahood]] fanbase, as that version has [[spoiler: Ed and Winry]] end as an OfficialCouple and heavily implies romantic feelings between Roy and Riza, Ling and Lan Fan, and Al and Mei (at least, from her end). If you are more into SlashFic, you'll probably like the original anime better, as there's far less focus on (and no resolutions to) heterosexual romance and a lot more material for those wearing ShippingGoggles to interpret as HoYay. (Especially in TheMovie.) Obviously, there are ''many'' exceptions, but that's generally how it aligns. As a result, arguments over which is the superior version can frequently turn into shipping debates, and vice versa.
*** When the 2003 anime was the most well-known version, though, there were plenty of shipping debates ''within'' its fanbase, especially involving Ed's romantic life. The biggest one was over if Ed should end up with [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Winry]] or [[TheWoobie Rose]], but there were also a lot of people who paired him with [[BelligerentSexualTension Roy Mustang]], [[IdenticalStranger Alfons Heiderich]], [[IncestSubtext his own brother]], even [[FoeYay Envy]]... and the fights over them could get pretty heated. At least everyone could agree that Ed didn't belong with [[TheScrappy Noah]], who was originally planned to be his LoveInterest in TheMovie. Whether Winry is even Ed's ImpliedLoveInterest or whether she is his sister figure pops up a lot as well.
** ''Brotherhood'' itself was a bit of a BaseBreaker, as even some manga-preferrers thought it was a lackluster adaptation, while others found it to be a great adaptation.



** ''Pokemon'' in general has a divide over the issue of WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids - between fans who recognize that and enjoy the show for what it is, and those who want it to appeal more to its PeripheryDemographic of nostalgic teens and young adults.[[note]]Several of which ''were'' kids [[LongRunner when the Anime began]].[[/note]]



*** The Mega Evolution Specials have this on ''multiple levels.'' Are they good alternatives to the mainline series for older audiences or just mindless battles upon battles? Is Alan a better protagonist than Ash for being TheStoic as opposed to an AllLovingHero, or is he a cynical ploy [[spoiler: for Lysander and Team Flare in XY and Z]]? Is Maren a delightful {{Keet}} or a useless DamselScrappy? Are the appearances of Siebold, Steven Stone [[spoiler: and Malva]] cases of MemeticBadass or TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter? The fact that the specials are crossing over in ''XY and Z'' haven't helped matters either.
** For someone who has never appeared Ash's father has sure caused a lot of this. Everyone has their theories, from him secretly being [[MayDecemberRomance Professor Oak]], [[IAmYourFather Giovanni]], the Rapidash trainer from the flashback, to a random deadbeat, and more crack theories like Ho-Oh.



** Shipping makes fans wild, even going past the normal ShipToShipCombat. Early in the fandom there was a lot of action about whether Jessie and James would work well romantically, whether they're best as friends, and whether Jessie would be a DomesticAbuser. The tension has died down over the years due to the fact they don't seem any more likely to be a couple than they were fifteen years ago. Whether Misty has feelings for Ash in the Japanese version is frequently debated and whether Serena's [[PuppyLove crush]] on Ash is cute or [[RomanticPlotTumor ruining her character]] is as well.



** Overall, the franchise has three main groups. The first group, dominated by the ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' (the original) and ''SEED'', is defined by a single protagonist being melodramatic about the horror of war (or at least how much it sucks to be in it). The Wing and 00 family is HoYay soap opera about a band of characters trying to end all war for various reasons (as opposed to participating in the main timeline and growing to hate it). The OVA's are straight depictions of war with giant robots squeezed in, with dry tones bordering on Cinéma vérité and actual war movies like To Hell and Back. The OVA's have the fewest detractors, but are so different in tone and storytelling that quite a few Gundam fans simply consider them to not be to their taste.
** On the other hand, every time a new series is revealed, expect half the fans to scream about how such-and-such plot element is lifted directly from an earlier series, while the other half sighs and says "It hasn't even come out yet, shut up and give it a fair chance."
*** This was especially true when ''SEED'' came out, as certain parts of the fandom were writing scathing reviews ''months'' before the series even premiered.
** Though one would think it to be the one exception ''Gundam'' has to this trope, fans view anything involving the Universal Century in three ways. The first is that it is utterly sacred and beyond criticism, with some fans even presenting UC series in a near religious context (no joke, this troper frequented one such MB), while decrying anything non-UC as less than perfect[[note]]Although most will make an exception for ''Anime/TurnAGundam'', most likely due to [[Creator/YoshiyukiTomino who directed it]], as well as [[Main/DistantFinale it's relation to the meta series]][[/note]]. The second is that UC, much like the original ''Series/{{Star Trek|The Original Series}}'', is outdated and vastly overrated, with UC fans often being accused of liking UC series simply because "it's cool" and acceptable to do so while series like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ'' (a series that, despite being within UC, is ''far'' from perfect) are frequently brought up to annoy said UC fans. And then there's the rest of the ''Gundam'' fanbase that watch UC series alongside AU ones and enjoy them like any other series, seeing them as part of a whole as opposed to an entirely different branch.
*** Even among UC fandom, people argue which series is the best. Some prefer the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' as the TropeMaker for the RealRobotGenre. Others prefer ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' for its darker storyline and more ambiguous morality. Still other fans prefer the OVA series for their accessible storylines devoid of ArcFatigue and ContinuityLockOut.
** ''Wing'' in particular has its own battle lines drawn, generally with three sides. Some old-school Gundam fans dismiss the show as plotless tripe intended to titillate female viewers, using plot elements outright stolen from older, better shows. The YaoiFangirls who appear to dominate the fandom only care about the cute boys to the exclusion of everything else, and because they're vocal, the first group and even non-fans tend to paint ''Wing'' as a BoysLove series despite the NoHuggingNoKissing and het ShipTease laid out by WordOfGod. The last faction are the people who enjoy ''Wing'' honestly and are tired of being painted as idiots or drooling fangirls by (or because of) the above two groups.
** Oh lordy ''SEED''. Perhaps the biggest example of this trope, even by its own franchise's standards. Even before ''Destiny'' came out, ''SEED'' was either really loved or really hated, depending upon who you asked. And when ''Destiny'' did come out, well, it only [[UpToEleven grew more intense]].
** Though not as intense as ''SEED'' before it, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' has its own broken base. Much like UC, some fans see it as the perfect ''Gundam'' series, to the point that the same practices that got ''Destiny'' canned with the Western fanbase (shoddy writing, character derailments galore, Messianic emphasis of main characters, etc.) are often overlooked by the same people in ''00''. Other fans, obviously, see it as little better than the preceding series and use it to reinforce the belief that ''Gundam'' as a whole has jumped the shark. And of course, there's the rest who enjoyed ''00'' for what it was and think nothing beyond that.
** When ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE'' was announced, many fans were upset Sunrise didn't want to make a Grimdark Gundam, based solely on the more "kiddy" art style. These initial complaints have been rendered HilariousInHindsight now that AGE's story has been revealed to be among the darker ''Gundam'' series.
*** ''Gundam AGE'' isn't out of the woods however, the issue of UNDERSTANDING is often the cause of a basebreaker. People want to see the ending wind up like a Tomino KillEmAll, without the psychadelic symbolism and more bloodbaths which was actually given to them after two straight series of forced Understanding. Which they got in spades as every single named Veigan died near the grand finale.
* ''Franchise/YuGiOh'' has a ''very'' broken fanbase, starting within the [[Anime/YuGiOh original series]] where fans dispute the canon-ness of Noa's Arc, DOMA, and the KC Grand Prix, with many fans arguing that non-manga arcs were never canon and should not have been made. Then after the original series ended, conflicts arose within and around its spinoffs, ''[[Anime/YuGiOhGX GX]]'', [[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds 5D's]], and most recently [[Anime/YuGiOhZexal ZEXAL]]. There are some who enjoyed ''GX'', some who hated it from the very beginning, and some who watched it through then suddenly began talking about how much they hated it all along. Many GX fans say that it did not end as well as it should have, with some fans complaining that it was cut short to make room for 5D's. Even so, 5D's with its ridiculous motorcycle dueling premise was and is still laughed at and not taken seriously by fans of the original series. But 5D's, small fandom and all, has been generally more liked than GX, leading GX fans feeling like they were left out and that GX became the BlackSheep of the franchise.
** The within-fandom hate became so strong that fans of the spinoffs (who felt that ''their'' shows were never given a chance) began to call other fans '''purists''' (specifically the ones who solely love the "original" series and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the existence of the spinoffs, despite the fact that DM ended ''ages'' ago).

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** Overall, the * ''Franchise/YuGiOh'':
** The
franchise has three main groups. The first group, dominated by the ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' (the original) and ''SEED'', is defined by a single protagonist being melodramatic about the horror of war (or at least how much it sucks to be in it). The Wing and 00 family is HoYay soap opera about a band of characters trying to end all war for various reasons (as opposed to participating in the main timeline and growing to hate it). The OVA's are straight depictions of war with giant robots squeezed in, with dry tones bordering on Cinéma vérité and actual war movies like To Hell and Back. The OVA's have the fewest detractors, but are so different in tone and storytelling that quite a few Gundam fans simply consider them to not be to their taste.
** On the other hand, every time a new series is revealed, expect half the fans to scream about how such-and-such plot element is lifted directly from an earlier series, while the other half sighs and says "It hasn't even come out yet, shut up and give it a fair chance."
*** This was especially true when ''SEED'' came out, as certain parts of the fandom were writing scathing reviews ''months'' before the series even premiered.
** Though one would think it to be the one exception ''Gundam'' has to this trope, fans view anything involving the Universal Century in three ways. The first is that it is utterly sacred and beyond criticism, with some fans even presenting UC series in a near religious context (no joke, this troper frequented one such MB), while decrying anything non-UC as less than perfect[[note]]Although most will make an exception for ''Anime/TurnAGundam'', most likely due to [[Creator/YoshiyukiTomino who directed it]], as well as [[Main/DistantFinale it's relation to the meta series]][[/note]]. The second is that UC, much like the original ''Series/{{Star Trek|The Original Series}}'', is outdated and vastly overrated, with UC fans often being accused of liking UC series simply because "it's cool" and acceptable to do so while series like ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ'' (a series that, despite being within UC, is ''far'' from perfect) are frequently brought up to annoy said UC fans. And then there's the rest of the ''Gundam'' fanbase that watch UC series alongside AU ones and enjoy them like any other series, seeing them as part of a whole as opposed to an entirely different branch.
*** Even among UC fandom, people argue which series is the best. Some prefer the original ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'' as the TropeMaker for the RealRobotGenre. Others prefer ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'' for its darker storyline and more ambiguous morality. Still other fans prefer the OVA series for their accessible storylines devoid of ArcFatigue and ContinuityLockOut.
** ''Wing'' in particular has its own battle lines drawn, generally with three sides. Some old-school Gundam fans dismiss the show as plotless tripe intended to titillate female viewers, using plot elements outright stolen from older, better shows. The YaoiFangirls who appear to dominate the fandom only care about the cute boys to the exclusion of everything else, and because they're vocal, the first group and even non-fans tend to paint ''Wing'' as a BoysLove series despite the NoHuggingNoKissing and het ShipTease laid out by WordOfGod. The last faction are the people who enjoy ''Wing'' honestly and are tired of being painted as idiots or drooling fangirls by (or because of) the above two groups.
** Oh lordy ''SEED''. Perhaps the biggest example of this trope, even by its own franchise's standards. Even before ''Destiny'' came out, ''SEED'' was either really loved or really hated, depending upon who you asked. And when ''Destiny'' did come out, well, it only [[UpToEleven grew more intense]].
** Though not as intense as ''SEED'' before it, ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' has its own broken base. Much like UC, some fans see it as the perfect ''Gundam'' series, to the point that the same practices that got ''Destiny'' canned with the Western fanbase (shoddy writing, character derailments galore, Messianic emphasis of main characters, etc.) are often overlooked by the same people in ''00''. Other fans, obviously, see it as little better than the preceding series and use it to reinforce the belief that ''Gundam'' as a whole has jumped the shark. And of course, there's the rest who enjoyed ''00'' for what it was and think nothing beyond that.
** When ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE'' was announced, many fans were upset Sunrise didn't want to make a Grimdark Gundam, based solely on the more "kiddy" art style. These initial complaints have been rendered HilariousInHindsight now that AGE's story has been revealed to be among the darker ''Gundam'' series.
*** ''Gundam AGE'' isn't out of the woods however, the issue of UNDERSTANDING is often the cause of a basebreaker. People want to see the ending wind up like a Tomino KillEmAll, without the psychadelic symbolism and more bloodbaths which was actually given to them after two straight series of forced Understanding. Which they got in spades as every single named Veigan died near the grand finale.
* ''Franchise/YuGiOh''
has a ''very'' broken fanbase, starting within the [[Anime/YuGiOh original series]] where fans dispute the canon-ness of Noa's Arc, DOMA, and the KC Grand Prix, with many fans arguing that non-manga arcs were never canon and should not have been made. Then after the original series ended, conflicts arose within and around its spinoffs, ''[[Anime/YuGiOhGX GX]]'', [[Anime/YuGiOh5Ds 5D's]], and most recently [[Anime/YuGiOhZexal ZEXAL]]. There are some who enjoyed ''GX'', some who hated it from the very beginning, and some who watched it through then suddenly began talking about how much they hated it all along. Many GX fans say that it did not end as well as it should have, with some fans complaining that it was cut short to make room for 5D's. Even so, 5D's with its ridiculous motorcycle dueling premise was and is still laughed at and not taken seriously by fans of the original series. But 5D's, small fandom and all, has been generally more liked than GX, leading GX fans feeling like they were left out and that GX became the BlackSheep of the franchise. \n** The within-fandom hate became so strong that fans of the spinoffs (who felt that ''their'' shows were never given a chance) began to call other fans '''purists''' (specifically the ones who solely love the "original" series and absolutely refuse to acknowledge the existence of the spinoffs, despite the fact that DM ended ''ages'' ago).



*** Among that small portion of fandom are the cosplayers and con goers who are tired of having Abridged Series memes quoted/shouted at them by less...considerate...fans, to put it nicely. Then there are the Abridged Series fans who come to believe in false information, because they were [[http://twitter.com/#!/yugiohtas/status/16042363403116544 misinformed by the man himself]].
*** It should be noted that the abridged series preceded the norm that abridged characters should be simple parodies of the actual characters and plotlines should be fairly close to the original, leading to some characterizations that could be viewed as cheap shots.



** Manga vs. Anime (which the main differences are in the ending and the general style, of which the anime is more, er, ''overdramatic'') vs. Movies (where the entire second arc is cut and the ending drastically changed)? And do the {{Light Novel}}s ''LightNovel/AnotherNote'' and/or ''LightNovel/LChangeTheWorld'' and/or the ''film'' ''Film/LChangeTheWorld'' count as canon or not?



** And this will likely turn into a three-way split once ''Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion'' ends, as one of the first things the writers said about it was that it would have a different ending.
*** It turned into a four-way since the manga had a different ending.
** ''Rebuild'' is its own controversial topic. Plenty of fans who disliked the postmodern-existentialist sermons of the first series appreciate that the ''Rebuild'' movies are more subtle about messages. Others think that removing all that "cheapens" or "dumbs down" the work, turning it into a more typical shounen/mecha.
*** Within the ''Rebuild'' franchise, the third movie has created its own InternetBackdraft - whether it beefs up the work's themes or is unnecessarily dark.
** Good luck finding something ''Eva'' fans are NOT split over. Topics of contention include: [[RuleOfSymbolism meaning]] ([[FauxSymbolism or lack thereof]]) of the religious allusions; degree of [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation sympathy (or lack thereof)]] for the characters (every. single. one.); quality (or lack thereof) of the English dub; and the [[AnAesop specific meaning]] (or lack thereof) of the series itself. And those are just the biggies.
** The nature of [[BiTheWay Shinji's]] [[HoYay relationship with Kaworu]] has been a contentious topic in the fanbase ever since episode 24 of the TV series first aired. Those who see it as romantic now have WordOfGod on their side, but that's unlikely to stop the fanwank on both ends... especially with the ''Rebuild'' movies now underway, which seem to be focusing more on the boys' relationship than the original series did.



* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''. Either you're for Ichigo/Orihime, Ichigo/Rukia or accused of being one of the two for raising an objection to a non-shipping related opinion given by a rabid shipper.

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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''. Either you're for Ichigo/Orihime, Ichigo/Rukia or accused of being one of the two for raising an objection to a non-shipping related opinion given by a rabid shipper. ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':



*** However, on the other side, others claim that, only very rarely do villains portray serenity as they fall, and that their calm facade is shattered as reality hits them with a ton of bricks, reasoning that even [[spoiler:Aizen]] isn't any different. They even analyze that, if people take him losing his temper unbelievable, then the author maybe dragged out the BigBad being an emotionless prick only capable of smirking and prone to making long, unnecessary lectures for too long.



* The anime of ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' leaves fans somewhat... polarized. Whether it's an enjoyable anime and a decent adaptation, an enjoyable anime but a mediocre adaptation, or a downright awful adaptation that ''does not exist'' (seriously--there are people who do go as far to as to claim [[FanonDisContinuity the anime never existed)]], is not an issue you really want to bring up, especially if you've only seen the anime.



* Ultimate Manga/{{Hellsing}}/the manga VS the Hellsing TV series.
** And then there's Alucard's relationship with Integra. Are they lovers? Is it a one-sided crush for either character? Do they end up together? Or are they purely master/servant? The fandom can't fully agree one way or another. It doesn't help that Kouta Hirano (the creator of Hellsing) himself is a fan of Alucard/Integra.



** Which dub cast is better? Creator/TheOceanGroup or Creator/{{FUNimation}}? ([[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe the Blue Water cast?]]) Is the dub a well done {{Woolseyism}} or an outright {{Macekre}}? Is [[Anime/DragonBallZ Bruce Faulconer's]] music better than [[Anime/DragonBallGT Mark Menza's]]? Is Shunsuke Kikuchi's music better than Bruce Faulconer's? Is [[Anime/DragonBallKai Kenji Yamamoto's]] music better than Shunsuke Kikuchi's? Is ''Manga/DragonBall'' a vital part of the story or a boring prequel to ''Anime/DragonBallZ''? Is ''Manga/DragonBallKai'' [[AdaptationDistillation an improvement]] or [[AdaptationDecay an abomination]]? Should Creator/ToeiAnimation have made ''Anime/DragonBallGT''? And we're still only at the tip of the iceberg here...

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** Which dub cast is better? Creator/TheOceanGroup or Creator/{{FUNimation}}? ([[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe the Blue Water cast?]]) Is the dub a well done {{Woolseyism}} or an outright {{Macekre}}? Is [[Anime/DragonBallZ Bruce Faulconer's]] music better than [[Anime/DragonBallGT Mark Menza's]]? Is Shunsuke Kikuchi's music better than Bruce Faulconer's? Is [[Anime/DragonBallKai Kenji Yamamoto's]] music better than Shunsuke Kikuchi's? Is ''Manga/DragonBall'' a vital part of the story or a boring prequel to ''Anime/DragonBallZ''? Is ''Manga/DragonBallKai'' [[AdaptationDistillation an improvement]] or [[AdaptationDecay an abomination]]? Should Creator/ToeiAnimation have made ''Anime/DragonBallGT''? And we're still only at the tip of the iceberg here...



** The character of Broly has a very strong influence on the fanbase, sparking countless debates regarding his level of strength. He also has an astounding number of die-hard fanboys for a non-canon character.



* ''Manga/BlackButler'': Fans were hating on the second season even before it premiered because it sounded like it would focus solely on a new Butler/Master pair, [[InNameOnly thus abandoning any remaining connections it had to the manga which spawned it]]. Now that it has [[spoiler: and it's revealed that Sebastian and Ciel are still the main characters rather than Alois and Claude]] fans have divided themselves between the two duos.

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* ''Manga/BlackButler'': ''Manga/BlackButler'':
**
Fans were hating on the second season even before it premiered because it sounded like it would focus solely on a new Butler/Master pair, [[InNameOnly thus abandoning any remaining connections it had to the manga which spawned it]]. Now that it has [[spoiler: and it's revealed that Sebastian and Ciel are still the main characters rather than Alois and Claude]] fans have divided themselves between the two duos.



* Among Spanish speakers, Spain-Spanish subs vs. Latin America-Spanish subs (Dubs too, for that matter, but subs aim to the same audience, dubs to different ones). The Latin Americans will accuse Spanish dubs of being crappily done (When Latin American subs have an high percent of subs translated from English [[BlindIdiotTranslation in a way too noticeable]]) while Spaniards will retort Latin American dubs use too much slang (While the most praised Spain-Spanish fansub group, [=AnimeUnderground=], is ''just as bad'', if not ''worse'' when it comes to using [[SpiceUpTheSubtitles slang]] and [[ObligatorySwearing swears]]) It's because of this subs in [[EldritchAbomination Neutral Spanish]] have showed up, which being more like Neutered Spanish, please nobody and only serve to prove the GoldenMeanFallacy. No wonder quite a few people TakeAThirdOption and use '''English''' subs, [[ScheduleSlip which are faster anyway]]. (But have their own issues...) It happens with basically every show. Latin American Spanish has way too many differences with European Spanish that you might wonder if it is still the same language, unlike American/British English, which is not THAT different.
** Latin American dubs vs. European Spanish dubs is a common Youtube comment section topic. Defend Latin-American dubs and you will be labeled as a barbarian who copied the "mother language" and corrupted it beyond recognition. Defend the European Spanish dubs and you'll be accused of being a whiny princess that can't even bother to pronounce names properly. The arguments get more heated on Western productions since that last pronunciation argument is more noticeable, but Japanese dubs have their own fair share of debate. Expect a lot of swearing.
** Inside Latin America as well, it is debated which country makes better Dubs, and which one is more understandable. Each country has specific slang and terms that differ from other countries and often in regions of the same country, and attempts to keep the dubs neutral render rather ridiculous results often, with nobody at all understanding most of it. And as imaginable, each place has a different accent, and nobody can point to which is the most neutral. Big battles over which accent, Mexican, Venezuelan or Chilean is more enjoyable never end in agreement. Often, Argentina has its own dubbing, because it is the most different and specific kind of Spanish in the continent, they have trouble understanding the outside versions and the outsiders have a hell of a time trying to make out what that's supposed to mean.
* ''Manga/OnePiece''. Try suggesting that maybe Boa Hancock, Perona, or Jimbei will be the next crewmate...or any character for that matter, and watch the fireworks.
** This is pretty much over now that we know that at least two of them definitely aren't joining.
** Since the Dressrosa arc, we now have Rebecca, Voilet, Bartolomeo, [[spoiler::Bellamy, Sabo]], and Law as possible crewmates. ''In one arc''.
** Or which filler arc was the best...though a general agreement is that the Apis arc sucks.
** Depending on what forum you're on, hatred for Ace can run deep. Same goes for the monster trio. There's a sort of divide between Straw Hat lovers and Supernova (minus Luffy and Zoro) lovers as well, in certain places.
** Fans are also divided on Strong World's (the 10th movie) place in canon. It was written by Oda and a Chapter 0 was created to tell the main villain's backstory. Considering Brook's in the crew and it's pre-time skip, it takes place between Thriller Bark and Saboady Archipelago. But some fans use Zoro's injuries in the former to "prove" that Strong World isn't canon. It's a mess.
** For the anime recently, {{filler}} vs. {{padding}} has been an ongoing debate.
*** On one side, you have the folk who appreciate the fact that the producers have been rolling with the one-manga-chapter-per-episode ratio recently; destroying the need of forcing out more agonizing {{filler}} arcs, like the previous mentioned Apis arc, to extend the anime's gap from the manga.
*** The other half of the fanbase isn't as appreciative, and finds that animating just one manga chapter per episode doesn't equate to being enough material to make a well-directed episode without having to [[{{Padding}} stretch out]] certain scenes, or force in {{filler}} moments that overlap with the manga material.



** Regarding [=ViVid=], it seems the Broken Base around it has been fixed. The catch is that they're fixed against it, due to it's lack of plot and [[{{Squick}} underaged]] {{Fanservice}}. It's telling the scanlations for both [=ViVid=] and FORCE are ''months'' behind.
** The first split in the fanbase actually happened when [=StrikerS=] came out. Either you loved the new focus on the franchise's sci-fi elements or you hated that the MagicalGirl half of the series was reduced to a few bells and whistles.
*** Though still other fans feel that the sci-fi elements were interesting in principle, but the execution was sorely lacking.
* ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' versus ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' wars sometimes occur [[labelnote:Explanation]]''Robotech'''s first season was basically just a CulturalTranslation of ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross''[[/labelnote]]. A bad example flared up on the [=MacrossWorld=] forums after [=AnimEigo=] announced they had squared the circle and cut the Gordian Knot and gained a license to release the original Macross on DVD. Numerous ''Robotech'' fans descended on the MW forums to complain that this somehow spelled the end of ''Robotech''. [[FlameWar Flame wars]] became frequent.

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** Regarding [=ViVid=], it seems the Broken Base around it has been fixed. The catch is that they're fixed against it, due to it's lack of plot and [[{{Squick}} underaged]] {{Fanservice}}. It's telling the scanlations for both [=ViVid=] and FORCE are ''months'' behind.
** The first split in the fanbase actually happened when [=StrikerS=] came out. Either you loved the new focus on the franchise's sci-fi elements or you hated that the MagicalGirl half of the series was reduced to a few bells and whistles.
*** Though still other fans feel that the sci-fi elements were interesting in principle, but the execution was sorely lacking.
* ''Anime/{{Macross}}'':
**
''Anime/{{Macross}}'' versus ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' wars sometimes occur [[labelnote:Explanation]]''Robotech'''s first season was basically just a CulturalTranslation of ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross''[[/labelnote]]. A bad example flared up on the [=MacrossWorld=] forums after [=AnimEigo=] announced they had squared the circle and cut the Gordian Knot and gained a license to release the original Macross on DVD. Numerous ''Robotech'' fans descended on the MW forums to complain that this somehow spelled the end of ''Robotech''. [[FlameWar Flame wars]] became frequent.



** Many ''Robotech'' fans express frustration with ''Robotech'' fans who approach ''Robotech'' as thought the ''Masters'' (''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'') and ''New Generation'' (''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'') segments don't exist. Some ''Robotech'' fans are demanding more Rick Hunter and Macross-era characters, perceiving them as the true core of the ''Robotech'' franchise. They bashed ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' due to its almost exclusive focus on mostly original characters with some supporting ''New Generation'' characters. Other fans strongly feel that although they may consider the Macross Saga of ''Robotech'' their favorite, those characters have told their story and it is more appropriate for them to move aside in favor of newer characters and plots.
* ''Anime/{{Slayers}}'' has had ''several'' variations of the broken base: the first is the third anime season, ''Slayers TRY'': in the late 90's/2000's when it came out, it deviated in formula and story from the first two seasons (darker plot, downplayed humor, and one villain to chase as opposed to a multitude), and the main characters become peripheral to GuestStarPartyMember Filia and antagonist Valgaav. Because of this, it's either the most well-loved season or regarded as a piece of crap - it's even referred to as such by some professional reviewers.

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** Many ''Robotech'' fans express frustration with ''Robotech'' fans who approach ''Robotech'' as thought the ''Masters'' (''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'') and ''New Generation'' (''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'') segments don't exist. Some ''Robotech'' fans are demanding more Rick Hunter and Macross-era characters, perceiving them as the true core of the ''Robotech'' franchise. They bashed ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' due to its almost exclusive focus on mostly original characters with some supporting ''New Generation'' characters. Other fans strongly feel that although they may consider the Macross Saga of ''Robotech'' their favorite, those characters have told their story and it is more appropriate for them to move aside in favor of newer characters and plots.
* ''Anime/{{Slayers}}'' has had ''several'' variations of the broken base: the base:
** The
first is the third anime season, ''Slayers TRY'': in the late 90's/2000's when it came out, it deviated in formula and story from the first two seasons (darker plot, downplayed humor, and one villain to chase as opposed to a multitude), and the main characters become peripheral to GuestStarPartyMember Filia and antagonist Valgaav. Because of this, it's either the most well-loved season or regarded as a piece of crap - it's even referred to as such by some professional reviewers.



** When the light novels came out, out comes a split between those fans and anime fans, not just for the story, but for characterization - the IdiotHero Gourry in the novels [[ObfuscatingStupidity acts stupid for fun]] and is a jokester, while he's a borderline IdiotSavant in the anime with a good heart; Zelgadis is colder but more dignified, Amelia is ''far'' more mature, and Lina doesn't run on a HairTriggerTemper and is nowhere near the bully or near-GodModeSue she is in the anime (and to go with that is if she's still a landmark example of a female protagonist or a case of CreatorsPet). There's also the [[NonSerialMovie movies]], which also have a different dub than the TV series...
** Characters of ''TRY'': is Valgaav a JerkassWoobie who had the right to be angry at those who slaughtered his race, or was he just an [[EmoTeen emo,]] [[AxCrazy crazy]] villain who wanted to [[DisproportionateRetribution nuke the world and have it reborn]] with no thought of what might happen? Is Filia a strong yet naive, funny addition to the team, or is she a HolierThanThou bigot who refuses to help and can't learn at all?
** The prequel novels have been running since the early 90's. Mind that the original series ran from that time until 2000, and the prequel is ''still running.'' There's debate now on if it's still a good read or old hat that needs to be dropped, and there's also a vocal minority that wants the main storyline to continue, which WordOfGod stated that he ''won't'' do.

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** When the light novels came out, out comes a split between those fans and anime fans, not just for the story, but for characterization - the IdiotHero Gourry in the novels [[ObfuscatingStupidity acts stupid for fun]] and is a jokester, while he's a borderline IdiotSavant in the anime with a good heart; Zelgadis is colder but more dignified, Amelia is ''far'' more mature, and Lina doesn't run on a HairTriggerTemper and is nowhere near the bully or near-GodModeSue she is in the anime (and to go with that is if she's still a landmark example of a female protagonist or a case of CreatorsPet). There's also the [[NonSerialMovie movies]], which also have a different dub than the TV series...\n** Characters of ''TRY'': is Valgaav a JerkassWoobie who had the right to be angry at those who slaughtered his race, or was he just an [[EmoTeen emo,]] [[AxCrazy crazy]] villain who wanted to [[DisproportionateRetribution nuke the world and have it reborn]] with no thought of what might happen? Is Filia a strong yet naive, funny addition to the team, or is she a HolierThanThou bigot who refuses to help and can't learn at all?\n** The prequel novels have been running since the early 90's. Mind that the original series ran from that time until 2000, and the prequel is ''still running.'' There's debate now on if it's still a good read or old hat that needs to be dropped, and there's also a vocal minority that wants the main storyline to continue, which WordOfGod stated that he ''won't'' do.



* ''Anime/Persona4TheAnimation''. Things went well until we reached the anime renditions of the Shadow Kanji fight and the HorribleCampingTrip. Much, MUCH wank has ensued.
** ''Anime/Persona4GoldenTheAnimation''. A fun take on NewGamePlus or Atlus trying to milk ''Persona'' dry, other ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' sub-series and other Atlus [=IPs=] be damned?



* HumongousMecha (both [[SuperRobot Super Robot]] and [[RealRobot Real Robot]]) is either cheap plot device that steals the spotlight from the hero and allows him to win by it's power and not his skill or just cool machine that allows more awesome battles disliked mostly by people whose entire knowledge of the genre starts and ends with ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''.



** Amu: A complex, well-rounded character or blatant GodModeSue who gets everything handed to her and outshines better characters?
*** Some fans TakeAThirdOption and believe she was orginally the former and slowly changed into the latter.
* In ''Anime/MaiHime'', there is quite a bit of controversy over everything that happens after the Festival arc, especially considering how many characters snap.
** Nao Yuuki is a JerkassWoobie, but how much of each you see in her depends greatly on the viewer.
** Shizuru Fujino is fairly popular overall, but has a vocal {{Hatedom}}. Is she [[DracoInLeatherPants a romantic heroine who did what she had to in order to defeat Natsukii's enemies]]? Is she a character who did many wrong things (some of which were to [[KickTheSonOfABitch people who deserved them]]) but is honestly remorseful and deserves to get together with Natsuki? Or is she a mass murderer who was too EasilyForgiven when she [[MoralEventHorizon should not have been]]?
** The ending: Is it the happy one that [[EarnYourHappyEnding the characters deserve]]? Or is it a blatant case of a DeusExMachina and/or not befitting the dark nature of the late series?
* Fan opinion of ''LightNovel/LoveChunibyoAndOtherDelusions'''s Nibutani, while initially overall positive for being a beautiful girl without apparent defects, immediately started to split after the events of Episode 4. On the one hand some fans like her true character comparing it with Ami from ''LightNovel/{{Toradora}}'' thinking she may become a LovableAlphaBitch. On the other hand some people now think she is just a BitchInSheepsClothing and don't like her betraying Yuuta's expectations (who actually accepts this quite fast).

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** Amu: A complex, well-rounded character or blatant GodModeSue who gets everything handed to her and outshines better characters?
*** Some fans TakeAThirdOption and believe she was orginally the former and slowly changed into the latter.
* In ''Anime/MaiHime'', there is quite a bit of controversy over everything that happens after the Festival arc, especially considering how many characters snap.
** Nao Yuuki is a JerkassWoobie, but how much of each you see in her depends greatly on the viewer.
** Shizuru Fujino is fairly popular overall, but has a vocal {{Hatedom}}. Is she [[DracoInLeatherPants a romantic heroine who did what she had to in order to defeat Natsukii's enemies]]? Is she a character who did many wrong things (some of which were to [[KickTheSonOfABitch people who deserved them]]) but is honestly remorseful and deserves to get together with Natsuki? Or is she a mass murderer who was too EasilyForgiven when she [[MoralEventHorizon should not have been]]?
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''Anime/MaiHime'': The ending: Is it the happy one that [[EarnYourHappyEnding the characters deserve]]? Or is it a blatant case of a DeusExMachina and/or not befitting the dark nature of the late series?
* Fan opinion of ''LightNovel/LoveChunibyoAndOtherDelusions'''s Nibutani, while initially overall positive for being a beautiful girl without apparent defects, immediately started to split after the events of Episode 4. On the one hand some fans like her true character comparing it with Ami from ''LightNovel/{{Toradora}}'' thinking she may become a LovableAlphaBitch. On the other hand some people now think she is just a BitchInSheepsClothing and don't like her betraying Yuuta's expectations (who actually accepts this quite fast).
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** There's a lot of debate over the various subs and dubs as well, one of the biggest centering on the original English dub of the TV series which is either a terrible atrocity or oddly fits the screwball cast.
* ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'': The romance between [[spoiler: a elementary school aged girl and ''her teacher'']]. Fans either loved it (and found it fitting with the series' moral) or found it absolutely disgusting and/or disliked the sugary way it was treated.

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** There's a lot of debate over the various subs and dubs as well, one of the biggest centering on the original English dub of the TV series which is either a terrible atrocity or oddly fits the screwball cast.
* ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'': The romance between [[spoiler: a an elementary school aged girl and ''her teacher'']]. Fans either loved it (and found it fitting with the series' moral) or found it absolutely disgusting and/or disliked the sugary way it was treated.



* ''Anime/PrettyCure'' has one of the most broken fanbases ''ever''. For every fan of one series, you have another fan that ''despises'' it.
** ''Anime/DokidokiPrecure'': Regina's CharacterArc is either a finer point in the history of Precure storytelling, or a spotlight hogger [[spoiler:that went nowhere: Mana couldn't save her and Regina didn't become a Precure]]. [[spoiler:Cure Ace]]'s CharacterArc is either an interesting take on inserting a SixthRanger halfway into the show, or something that screams "[[CreatorsPet nooooo you can't have fun without her]]". And if we include ShipToShipCombat, the base will not just be broken, it will be shattered into a thousand shiny pieces (search "Mana harem" in {{pixiv}}).
** Is Mana awesome and a refreshing change of pace for a Precure protagonist or a CanonSue spotlight-hog who nobody can possibly relate to?
** Is ''Anime/SmilePrettyCure'' a funny, cute show with lovable characters, or a stupid, childish Anime/PrettyCure series InNameOnly that panders too much to otaku? There's almost ''no'' middle ground on this one.



** Creator/{{FUNimation}}'s dub broke the fanbase even more, with groups of fans declaring it and anyone involved in it or that viewed it racist due to the heavy rewrites and offensive humor injected into the script (which had included references to the Holocaust and other genocide where there originally weren't any, repeated jokes about Italy and France lacking proper hygiene, jokes of famine, etc.). Other fans criticizing the dub weren't so much concerned over the content rewrites, but the characters' voices becoming heavily-accented and nothing like the original actors'. And yet at the same time, there are many fans of the dub, which causes the ongoing feud to barely die down.



** Ship wars make up a big part of the broken fanbase, along with staggering amounts of alternative character interpretation by fans.
** The existence of Nyotalia is major grounds for disputes, with fans arguing over whether it should exist and if it would potentially steal focus away from the canon nations. There is also the debate over whether the Nyotalia girls are more feminist and appealing than the ones in canon, or if they're incredibly flat characters or just seen as fanservice. Nekotalia (stories surrounding the nations' cats) is either seen as cute or earns accusations that Himaruya is pandering too hard to fans of moe content. Even the Mochi side strips can earn much debate and arguing.



* To add to the ever-present Subs vs. Dubs debate, there is the curious case of ''Anime/ScienceNinjaTeamGatchaman'' and its multiple English adaptations. While ''Anime/BattleOfThePlanets'' is lambasted for turning the franchise into a joke and being one of the early examples of {{Macekre}}, there are just as many fans that will defend the flaws present (or love it in spite of such) and insist that it is the superior dubbed adaptation by the fact it came first, had a high budget, and was a source of much '70s childhood nostalgia.
** 7-Zark-7, the robot added into the first adaptation, is [[TheScrappy widely hated]], although there are a group of fans that will defend him and see him as just a legitimate character, to chagrin of the fans that don't like him.

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* To add to the ever-present Subs vs. Dubs debate, there is the curious case of * ''Anime/ScienceNinjaTeamGatchaman'':
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''Anime/ScienceNinjaTeamGatchaman'' and vs. its multiple English adaptations. While ''Anime/BattleOfThePlanets'' is lambasted for turning the franchise into a joke and being one of the early examples of {{Macekre}}, there are just as many fans that will defend the flaws present (or love it in spite of such) and insist that it is the superior dubbed adaptation by the fact it came first, had a high budget, and was a source of much '70s childhood nostalgia. \n** 7-Zark-7, the robot added into the first adaptation, is [[TheScrappy widely hated]], although there are a group of fans that will defend him and see him as just a legitimate character, to chagrin of the fans that don't like him.



** ADV's Gatchaman dub is not without its own splitting of fans. While closest to the source material, it took some ''very'' creative license with dialogue, adding in some "groovy" slang, profanity, and changing some lines that had been considered iconic to fans. Either ADV's dub gave Gatchaman the justice it finally needed with all episodes translated, or ADV did fans a disservice by bothering to make a new dub and sticking it alongside the more well-regarded Japanese track. A few fans of the older English adaptations also became ticked off, as this meant that the DVD releases of their versions wound up halted.
** The Gatchaman sequels seem to get a lackluster reception in general, although the arguments come in as to whether they were even needed or not. Villains such as Gel Sadra and Count Egobossler, while having their own fans, appear to be regarded as poor followups to Berg Katse.
*** The dub of said sequels, ''Anime/EagleRiders'', has a small group of fans, but is a lot more openly criticized than even G-Force, with the detractor nickname for its creative team having long been "Evil Writers".
** Is Red Impulse too irredeemable of a {{Jerkass}} for how he treated Ken? Can he be seen as sympathetic at all? It all depends on the fan you ask, and they have very passionate difference in opinion on how the character should be seen.
** Jun is either a painfully sexist portrayal of a female character and voted as a "least favorite", or [[FairForItsDay not that bad considering the era]] with her own share of fans defending her. Reception of her also seems to vary by the episode, due to different writers' interpretations of her.
** To put it briefly, fans can even argue over whether the original incarnations of the Gatchaman characters are the best versions, or whether or not their dubbed counterparts were better or worse people for the differences made in some of their personalities and voices. Dubbed versions of Joe seem to get the most controversy, although with Jun, fans seem split between considering her English counterparts as stronger characters and between feeling that they tried a little too hard.
** Most recently, this trope is invoked with the existence of ''Anime/GatchamanCrowds''. There are fans that don't mind it being an InNameOnly reboot of the franchise and that enjoy it on its own terms, while other fans insist it's a cheap cash-in on the title and that it threatens to ruin the reputation of Gatchaman. The lead character, [[GenkiGirl Hajime Ichinose]], has also shaped up to be a BaseBreaker in her own right, with fans either finding her adorable or obnoxious.
* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' or ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun''. Probably not as bad as most cases, but when arguments arise over which is better, things can get pretty ugly pretty fast. And then there is the whole issue with adaptations...for both of them...
* Try to ask anyone who watched ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion'', if they think Homura was right. Just try.
** And it doesn't stop here. The "Homura was wrong" field is ''further'' divided between those who think Homura lost her mind or became evil (with some going so far to use it as "proof" that she was EvilAllAlong) and those who think that she was put in front of a SadisticChoice ([[spoiler: Let Madoka save her, with the risk that the Incubators attempt something against her again without Homura being able to do anything about it and Madoka being unable to stay with her family, or take matters in her hands, allowing Madoka to live a normal life and keeping the Incubators in check at the cost of everyone thinking she became an evil god?]]) and so Kyubey and/or the Magica Quartet is to blame for putting her in such a situation in the first place.
** An even more insidious debate is not about the ''morality'' of Homura's actions, but whether they were OOC. The film's critics argue that, although Series!Homura was morally ambiguous, she certainly wasn't evil enough to [[spoiler:confine Godoka's human self]]. Its fans argue that Homura was already dangerously insane (as shown by her threatening innocent people) and the movie just brought it to the forefront.

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** ADV's Gatchaman dub is not without its own splitting of fans. While closest to the source material, it took some ''very'' creative license with dialogue, adding in some "groovy" slang, profanity, and changing some lines that had been considered iconic to fans. Either ADV's dub gave Gatchaman the justice it finally needed with all episodes translated, or ADV did fans a disservice by bothering to make a new dub and sticking it alongside the more well-regarded Japanese track. A few fans of the older English adaptations also became ticked off, as this meant that the DVD releases of their versions wound up halted.
** The Gatchaman sequels seem to get a lackluster reception in general, although the arguments come in as to whether they were even needed or not. Villains such as Gel Sadra and Count Egobossler, while having their own fans, appear to be regarded as poor followups to Berg Katse.
*** The dub of said sequels, ''Anime/EagleRiders'', has a small group of fans, but is a lot more openly criticized than even G-Force, with the detractor nickname for its creative team having long been "Evil Writers".
** Is Red Impulse too irredeemable of a {{Jerkass}} for how he treated Ken? Can he be seen as sympathetic at all? It all depends on the fan you ask, and they have very passionate difference in opinion on how the character should be seen.
** Jun is either a painfully sexist portrayal of a female character and voted as a "least favorite", or [[FairForItsDay not that bad considering the era]] with her own share of fans defending her. Reception of her also seems to vary by the episode, due to different writers' interpretations of her.
** To put it briefly, fans can even argue over whether the original incarnations of the Gatchaman characters are the best versions, or whether or not their dubbed counterparts were better or worse people for the differences made in some of their personalities and voices. Dubbed versions of Joe seem to get the most controversy, although with Jun, fans seem split between considering her English counterparts as stronger characters and between feeling that they tried a little too hard.
** Most recently, this trope is invoked with the existence of ''Anime/GatchamanCrowds''. There are fans that don't mind it being an InNameOnly reboot of the franchise and that enjoy it on its own terms, while other fans insist it's a cheap cash-in on the title and that it threatens to ruin the reputation of Gatchaman. The lead character, [[GenkiGirl Hajime Ichinose]], has also shaped up to be a BaseBreaker in her own right, with fans either finding her adorable or obnoxious.\n* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' or ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun''. Probably not as bad as most cases, but when arguments arise over which is better, things can get pretty ugly pretty fast. And then there is the whole issue with adaptations...for both of them...\n* Try to ask anyone who watched ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion'', if they think Homura was right. Just try. \n** And it doesn't stop here. The "Homura was wrong" field is ''further'' divided between those who think Homura lost her mind or became evil (with some going so far to use it as "proof" that she was EvilAllAlong) and those who think that she was put in front of a SadisticChoice ([[spoiler: Let Madoka save her, with the risk that the Incubators attempt something against her again without Homura being able to do anything about it and Madoka being unable to stay with her family, or take matters in her hands, allowing Madoka to live a normal life and keeping the Incubators in check at the cost of everyone thinking she became an evil god?]]) and so Kyubey and/or the Magica Quartet is to blame for putting her in such a situation in the first place.\n** An even more insidious debate is not about the ''morality'' of Homura's actions, but whether they were OOC. The film's critics argue that, although Series!Homura was morally ambiguous, she certainly wasn't evil enough to [[spoiler:confine Godoka's human self]]. Its fans argue that Homura was already dangerously insane (as shown by her threatening innocent people) and the movie just brought it to the forefront.



* ''Anime/CrossAnge'' might as well be renamed as Broken Base: The Anime since every single episode has some people getting ticked at something. And this isn't even touching upon ''a lot'' of the UnfortunateImplications that this series has. In fact, most of the ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' and ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' BrokenBase seeped into this series thanks to the director of the latter anime is the Creative Producer of the series, therefore he's got a lot more input about the series.
* ''Anime/DeathParade'' is an anime where people who have died are sent to a bar where they are judged on whether they get sent to the void or are reincarnated. Whether the characters deserved their fates is a major source of debate, with Machiko in episode one [[spoiler:being sent to the void]] being the most controversial.
* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' after junior high is one of these. Many fans felt there were multiple missed opportunities and it went by too quickly. The ending is also a BaseBreaker. [[spoiler:Is Takatsuki really cisgender? Even if not, was it done correctly?]]



** Although in general the anime is well received, some of the character designs are causing this. Especially the fact that some of the female characters' lips are visible looking like lipstick. Mikasa is getting the brunt of this. Some are saying it ruins her character, others don't care and some like it.
** Also [[http://i.imgur.com/EILprDG.jpg Mikasa's abs]]. Some fans think it makes her hot, some find it to be a pleasantly refreshing body type for a female character, others don't really care while yet another handful of fans wish they've never seen it (which brings up all sorts of DoubleStandard issues with regards to the fan base).



** Eren and Mikasa's relationship. The occasional but recurrent romantic undertones are enough to receive some flak from many viewers for different reasons, but it gets specially problematic when their status as adoptive siblings comes into place, since it's in a ''very'' gray area: they share no blood whatsoever and they lived together as siblings for (roughly) only one year. But, although they never use the words "brother" or "sister" with each other, they do refer themselves as "family". Hence, IncestIsRelative is all over the place in these discussions, with people falling in every camp imaginable.



** Dot Pixis' character stirred an outrage among the Korean fanbase, especially when Isayama admitted that he was based off of Akiyama Yoshifuru, a historical general of the Imperial Japanese Army. [[InternetBackdraft This resulted in a heated debate over the general's war record]], and also led to Isayama [[http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/315603/scitech/geeksandgaming/attack-on-titan-creator-receives-1-000-death-threats receiving death threats on his blog]], as well as an overall decline of interest in the series in Korea (i.e. the makers of [[http://youtu.be/BTscV6yGr0Q this parody]] of the characters dancing to [[KoreanPopMusic Shinhwa's]] "This Love" ended up refusing to post the final version after they finished it because they disagreed with Isayama glorifying Akiyama).
** [[spoiler: The Titan Shifters.]] Some people lost all respect and sympathy for [[spoiler: Bertolt, Reiner, and Annie upon discovering what they were responsible for and willing to do.]] Still, they remain very popular characters in different areas of the fandom.
** [[spoiler: [[LaughingMad Annie's laughing after being outed as the Female Titan]]]] in Episode 23. Some people think this ruined her character, the laughing/blushing was unnecessary and just {{Fanservice}}, while others think it made her more [[NightmareFuel unnerving]] and laughing/blushing was just a sign of her [[SanitySlippage losing it completely after being exposed.]] WordOfGod [[http://nolaneko.tumblr.com/post/61348614374/hajime-isayama-made-this-blog-post-today-so-heres says]] [[spoiler: Annie's laughing and blushing after being outed as the Female Titan]] was drafted similarly in the manga, but regrettably omitted. It was meant to show Annie as more of a "normal person" than simply a bad one, according to Isayama, the laughing being a sense of "relief" on her part, as a result of all of her "fear, guilt and sadness" having an outlet.



** Inevitably, [[SubbingVersusDubbing the English Dub of the anime.]]
*** Even with just short trailers of the dub, there was still plenty of debate as to whether or not certain voices fit the characters, with Creator/MatthewMercer as Levi being the most controversial. However, there is also a part of the fanbase that are fine with the voices, and instead are torn on the script writing: does the anime now sound too cheesy and less badass and so makes the show seem less real than before, or is the new dialogue just as badass, correctly translated, and even makes the characters more quirky?
*** How the intro was edited when the first episode was originally shown on Creator/AdultSwim[=/=]Creator/{{Toonami}}. Although the cut of the opening was revealed to be unintentional via Website/{{Twitter}}.
*** The pronunciation of names in the English dub. The ADR director decided to pronounce them to their accurate German pronunciations, which caused some confusion and heat among the fanbase. Notable examples are Connie Springer (pronounced "Shpringah" in the dub) and Bertholdt Hoover (pronounced "Hoobah"). Some prefer the dub pronunciations and enjoy their accuracy, others think they sound silly and prefer to pronounce them in a more traditionally American way.
*** The Rogue Titan's roars in the dub. Some think the switch to a high pitched raptor-like sound ruined the badassery of them, while others think it made him sound more demonic and overall scarier. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADowAH-s_Kc Listen and judge for yourself]].
** Many characters - particularly the main three - tend to suffer from debate amongst the fandom as to whether they're [[FlatCharacter flat]] or [[RoundCharacter well-rounded]]. Things can get pretty heated sometimes.
** The release of a third OVA centering around one of the 104th cadets' training days that turns into a rescue mission for Krista has also recieved some mixed reactions. People either enjoy it for seeing the characters back on screen with more comedy and badass sequences, while others found it to be {{Padding}} and waste of an OVA that could have been spent on more canon material.
** There is a lot of dispute over whether Armin is male or female. That the author of the manga [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2014-10-15/attack-on-titan-voice-actress-responds-to-creator-calling-armin-a-girl/.79929 gave an ambiguous answer]] only fueled the flames further.



* ''Manga/DailyLifeWithMonsterGirl'':
** The character Polt is incredibly divisive. Since in this setting kobolds have canine features, part of the fandom loathes her for being a FurryFandom bait and/or see her as an attempt from the author to spread furries to the mainstream. Others love her for her [[GenkiGirl peppy]], [[PerpetualSmiler sunny]] disposition and her being business-savvy and rich (of course, those who dislike her point out that this makes her a MarySue), which is a trait associated with the kobolds of legend. The anime, if possible, made things worse: when it was revealed that, were it not for Okayado (who is known to pander to fans' requests), she wouldn't even have had her brief cameo, some complained that it was unfair to cut her chapter from the adaptation, while others mantained that the addition was useless and was made only under pressure from the more vocal parts of furry fandom. It should be noted that there are a couple more characters that can be considered "furries", but none created the same controversies as Polt. It was since revealed that Polt's introductory chapter will be animated and released as an OAD (Original Anime DVD) in bundle with volume 11 of the manga: only time will tell if this will make the fan base even more divided.
** The official English translation of the manga. Some readers were put off by the [[HurricaneOfPuns many animal puns]] from the first issue, and, while they have since been toned down, still see the translation as a hack job and prefer to buy the original Japanese volumes.
** Not even the unofficial fan translation is immune: when the translator chose the slang word "bae" as Doppel's nickname for Kimihito, there were many complaints. The translator's explanation is that Doppel, being a troll, uses an intentionally annoying term, because it was almost impossible to mantain the sarcastic connotation of the original term in another way. Not everyone was happy with this, though.



* Is ''Manga/GunslingerGirl Teatrino'' a good anime or is it a horrible sequel? A good portion of the hate is due to AdaptationDisplacement as ''Teatrino'' is TruerToTheText than the original however many manga fans also hate it. It has very different characterization from the first anime, a completely different (and {{moe}}) art-style, and less accurate guns. It also brought back [[spoiler:Angelica]] despite the first anime heavily implying she died at the end. For those who consider it a sequel instead of a second adaptation, that change completely ruined the [[TearJerker tragedy]] of the ending.



** While [[SubbingVsDubbing debates over whether the Japanese or English voicework is better]] is a staple of Western anime subculture, it's an especially sore point for this series, being one of the first idol anime to get an English dub. Is it good that it got a dub, making the series more accessible to Westerners, or does it do a disservice to µ's and their Japanese voice actors? Granted, the songs don't get dubbed into English, but it hasn't stopped fans from arguing about the English dub.



*** The casting of complete newcomers as Aquors's voice actresses (only one of them has had ''any'' acting experience) has split the fan opinion on the group even more, if that can be believed. Some fans are willing to give them a chance, saying that letting ordinary girls voice in such a popular series thanks to open auditions embodies the spirit of Japanese idol groups, while others are more critical and claim that they haven't proven their talent enough to deserve roles in a CashCowFranchise, point out that all of the µ's cast were established voice actresses/singers, and would prefer some more recognizable names in the cast.
** Nozomi's breast-grabbing is either cute, FetishFuel, or an [[DudeNotFunny unnecessary]] FanService element that borders on BlackComedyRape.
* ''Manga/WorldsEndHarem'', right from the very beginning of the series the fanbase is split apart:
** One part simply cannot reason with Reito’s unwillingness to perform his duties to be part of humanity’s repopulation by having sex with probably thousands, maybe millions, of women as one of the five remaining man on earth, it doesn’t matter if he is shocked for society collapsed and billions of men died, nor that he had a lover waiting for him before he went into cryostasis and now he wants to find her, any sane man could not refuse millions of women obligated to reproduce with him;
** The other part is more understanding to Reito’s predicament, this “duty” pushed on him happened overnight for as long as he is concerned due just waking up from cold sleep, all the men he knew, including relatives are dead, the woman he loved his whole has disappeared; the new world order is pushing him to become a breeding stallion, like something without proper value, an animal for reproduction; all of this needs some time for Reito to properly adapt and maybe accept his “duty” as one of humanity’s new forefathers.
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** Many ''Robotech'' fans express frustration with ''Robotech'' fans who approach ''Robotech'' as thought the ''Masters'' (Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'') and ''New Generation'' (''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'') segments don't exist. Some ''Robotech'' fans are demanding more Rick Hunter and Macross-era characters, perceiving them as the true core of the ''Robotech'' franchise. They bashed ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' due to its almost exclusive focus on mostly original characters with some supporting ''New Generation'' characters. Other fans strongly feel that although they may consider the Macross Saga of ''Robotech'' their favorite, those characters have told their story and it is more appropriate for them to move aside in favor of newer characters and plots.

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** Many ''Robotech'' fans express frustration with ''Robotech'' fans who approach ''Robotech'' as thought the ''Masters'' (Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'') (''Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'') and ''New Generation'' (''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'') segments don't exist. Some ''Robotech'' fans are demanding more Rick Hunter and Macross-era characters, perceiving them as the true core of the ''Robotech'' franchise. They bashed ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' due to its almost exclusive focus on mostly original characters with some supporting ''New Generation'' characters. Other fans strongly feel that although they may consider the Macross Saga of ''Robotech'' their favorite, those characters have told their story and it is more appropriate for them to move aside in favor of newer characters and plots.
7th Jun '16 7:58:54 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Many ''Robotech'' fans express frustration with ''Robotech'' fans who approach ''Robotech'' as thought the ''Masters'' and ''New Generation'' segments don't exist. Some ''Robotech'' fans are demanding more Rick Hunter and Macross era characters, perceiving them as the true core of the ''Robotech'' franchise. They bashed WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles due to its almost exclusive focus on mostly original characters with some supporting ''New Generation'' ([[Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada Mospeada]]) characters. Other fans strongly feel that although they may consider the Macross Saga of ''Robotech'' their favorite, those characters have told their story and it is more appropriate for them to move aside in favor of newer characters and plots.

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** Many ''Robotech'' fans express frustration with ''Robotech'' fans who approach ''Robotech'' as thought the ''Masters'' (Anime/SuperDimensionCavalrySouthernCross'') and ''New Generation'' (''Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada'') segments don't exist. Some ''Robotech'' fans are demanding more Rick Hunter and Macross era Macross-era characters, perceiving them as the true core of the ''Robotech'' franchise. They bashed WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' due to its almost exclusive focus on mostly original characters with some supporting ''New Generation'' ([[Anime/GenesisClimberMospeada Mospeada]]) characters. Other fans strongly feel that although they may consider the Macross Saga of ''Robotech'' their favorite, those characters have told their story and it is more appropriate for them to move aside in favor of newer characters and plots.
7th Jun '16 7:57:04 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' versus ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' wars sometimes occur. A bad example flared up on the [=MacrossWorld=] forums after [=AnimEigo=] announced they had squared the circle and cut the Gordian Knot and gained a license to release the original Macross on DVD. Numerous ''Robotech'' fans descended on the MW forums to complain that this somehow spelled the end of ''Robotech''. [[FlameWar Flame wars]] became frequent.
** ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'' now heads in the same direction, with the question whether the NonSerialMovie variant is better than the anime series. Basically the question boils down to what is better ('''spoilers!''') [[spoiler: the EverybodyLives ending of the series that does not resolve the LoveTriangle, or the darker, almost DownerEnding provided by the movies?]]

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* ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' versus ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' wars sometimes occur.occur [[labelnote:Explanation]]''Robotech'''s first season was basically just a CulturalTranslation of ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross''[[/labelnote]]. A bad example flared up on the [=MacrossWorld=] forums after [=AnimEigo=] announced they had squared the circle and cut the Gordian Knot and gained a license to release the original Macross on DVD. Numerous ''Robotech'' fans descended on the MW forums to complain that this somehow spelled the end of ''Robotech''. [[FlameWar Flame wars]] became frequent.
** ''Anime/MacrossFrontier'' now heads in the same direction, with has the question of whether the NonSerialMovie variant is better than the anime series. Basically the question boils down to what is better ('''spoilers!''') [[spoiler: the EverybodyLives better; [[spoiler:lighter ending of the original series that does not resolve the LoveTriangle, or the darker, almost DownerEnding somewhat darker ending provided by the movies?]]movies which does resolve the triangle?]]
30th May '16 6:13:12 PM Goukenimaru
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* ''Manga/WorldsEndHarem'', right from the very beginning of the series the fanbase is split apart:
** One part simply cannot reason with Reito’s unwillingness to perform his duties to be part of humanity’s repopulation by having sex with probably thousands, maybe millions, of women as one of the five remaining man on earth, it doesn’t matter if he is shocked for society collapsed and billions of men died, nor that he had a lover waiting for him before he went into cryostasis and now he wants to find her, any sane man could not refuse millions of women obligated to reproduce with him;
** The other part is more understanding to Reito’s predicament, this “duty” pushed on him happened overnight for as long as he is concerned due just waking up from cold sleep, all the men he knew, including relatives are dead, the woman he loved his whole has disappeared; the new world order is pushing him to become a breeding stallion, like something without proper value, an animal for reproduction; all of this needs some time for Reito to properly adapt and maybe accept his “duty” as one of humanity’s new forefathers.
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