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19th May '16 4:43:56 PM InfinityPlusTwo
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*** One rather amusing way to play Battle of Wits would be to pair it with Spawnsire of Ulamog's 20-mana activated ability to bring out ''200 copies of [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397905 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn]]''. Being a Legendary creature, all but 1 copy of Emrakul would immediately need to be sacrificed to the Graveyard... but due to her triggered ability, '''all copies would go to the library instead''', fulfilling Battle of Wits' condition and winning the game. This victory method is impractical not only due to the aforementioned drawbacks of using Spawnsire of Ulamog's ability, but also because copies of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn retail for roughly $25 each - and as such, would cost roughly $5,000 in cold, hard cash. Getting 200 copies in order to use the combo is something only for a bored billionaire to go for.

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*** One rather amusing way to play Battle of Wits would be to pair it with Spawnsire of Ulamog's 20-mana activated ability to bring out ''200 copies of [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397905 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn]]''. Being a Legendary creature, all but 1 copy of Emrakul would immediately need to be sacrificed to the Graveyard... but due to her triggered ability, '''all copies would go to the library instead''', fulfilling Battle of Wits' condition and winning the game. This victory method is impractical not only due to the aforementioned drawbacks of using Spawnsire of Ulamog's ability, but also because copies of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn retail for roughly $25 each - and as such, would cost roughly $5,000 in cold, hard cash. Getting 200 copies in order to use the combo is something only for a bored billionaire to go for. It also wouldn't work in tournament settings, where, in addition to the impracticality of 20 mana, Spawnsire of Ulamog can only summon Eldrazi in your 15-card sideboard and you're limited to 4 copies of a card in your deck + sideboard. A casual setting with more relaxed rules might allow it, if you just wanted to entertain some of your friends by casting 200 Eldrazi. In any case, you wouldn't really need Battle of Wits to win anyway- Emrakul's extra turn effect triggers when you cast it, so even using Spawnsire of Ulamog to cast 200 Emrakuls gives you 200 extra turns.
26th Apr '16 11:17:21 AM Anorgil
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** ''Oath of the Gatewatch'' introduced another one with [[http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/hedron-alignment/ Hedron Alignment]]: It's very unusual to draw all 4 copies of a card in a normal match, getting cards ''into'' exile is tough, and even then one discard spell, or a spell removing cards from exile, from your opponent can ruin the entire thing.

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** ''Oath of the Gatewatch'' introduced another one with [[http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/hedron-alignment/ Hedron Alignment]]: It's very unusual to draw all 4 copies of a card in a normal match, getting cards ''into'' exile is tough, and even then one discard spell, or a spell removing cards from exile, from your opponent can ruin the entire thing.thing (or would, if Hedron Alignment weren't Hexproof).
1st Mar '16 10:13:27 AM promptjump
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* [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=40545 Phage the Untouchable]] got a lot of attention when she first debuted due to her abilities, but she was such a hassle to use that she got the name [[FanNickname Phage the Unplayable]]. Opponents will probably have much larger creatures by the time you have 3BBBB handy to play her & she doesn't have indestructible or trample, combos to get her into play from the graveyard or library are very complicated and easy to spot, and she's still vulnerable to counterspells, blocking, instant-kill spells, and so on.
** She's not even usable in Commander, a format where unusual cards thrive, because casting her from your command zone does not count as casting from your hand... costing you the game on the spot [[note]]Any deck with Phage as its commander would be mono-black, and none of the few cards that negate triggered abilities are black or colorless[[/note]].

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* [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=40545 Phage the Untouchable]] got a lot of attention when she first debuted due to her abilities, but she was such a hassle to use that she got the name [[FanNickname Phage the Unplayable]]. Opponents will probably have much larger creatures by the time you have 3BBBB handy to play her & she doesn't have indestructible indestructible, first strike, or trample, combos to get her into play from the graveyard or library are very complicated and easy to spot, and she's still vulnerable to counterspells, blocking, instant-kill spells, and so on.
** She's not even usable in Commander, a format where unusual cards and interactions thrive, because casting her from your command zone does not count as casting from your hand... costing you the game on the spot [[note]]Any deck with Phage as its commander would be mono-black, leaving only [[http://magiccards.info/nph/en/162.html Torpor Orb]] to make her playable, and none of the few cards that negate triggered abilities are black or colorless[[/note]].it's entirely possible to not draw it in a 100-card singleton deck.[[/note]].



** Invasion's [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23206 cycle]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23207 of]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23208 three-colored]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23209 legendary]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23210 dragons]]. 6/6 for 6 was a good deal at the time & still is in Block Constructed, especially since they each had a powerful ability that triggered whenever they dealt combat damage, but the mana cost was 3CDE-even the set's strong multicolor theme couldn't make these viable.

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** Invasion's [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23206 cycle]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23207 of]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23208 three-colored]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23209 legendary]] [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=23210 dragons]]. 6/6 with flying and a triggered ability for 6 was a good deal at the time & still is in Block Constructed, especially since they each had a powerful ability that triggered whenever they dealt combat damage, but the mana cost was 3CDE-even the set's strong multicolor theme couldn't make these viable.


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* [[http://magiccards.info/in/en/135.html Yawgmoth's Agenda]] lets you cast cards from your graveyard, making it a recurring version of the game-breaking [[http://magiccards.info/us/en/171.html Yawgmoth's Will]]. The catch? You can only cast one card per turn. So few decks can work around this constraint that it's near-useless rather than overpowered.
19th Feb '16 3:20:01 PM promptjump
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** [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/8.html The]] [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname entire]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/78.html cycle]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/103.html of]] [[ http://magiccards.info/fut/en/139.html Pacts]] from ''Future Sight'' also fall into this: They're very powerful spells for free, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]]. Pact of Negation sees tournament use to keep instant-win combos from being interrupted, while the rest are niche cards at best & unusable at worst.

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** [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/8.html The]] [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname entire]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/78.html cycle]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/103.html of]] [[ http://magiccards.[[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/139.html Pacts]] from ''Future Sight'' also fall into this: They're very powerful spells for free, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]]. Pact of Negation sees tournament use to keep instant-win combos from being interrupted, while the rest are niche cards at best & unusable at worst.
19th Feb '16 3:19:39 PM promptjump
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** [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/8.html The]] [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname entire]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/78.html cycle]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/103.html of]] [[ http://magiccards.info/fut/en/139.html Pacts] from ''Future Sight'' also fall into this: They're very powerful spells for free, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]]. Pact of Negation sees tournament use to keep instant-win combos from being interrupted, while the rest are niche cards at best & unusable at worst.

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** [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/8.html The]] [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname entire]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/78.html cycle]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/103.html of]] [[ http://magiccards.info/fut/en/139.html Pacts] Pacts]] from ''Future Sight'' also fall into this: They're very powerful spells for free, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]]. Pact of Negation sees tournament use to keep instant-win combos from being interrupted, while the rest are niche cards at best & unusable at worst.
19th Feb '16 3:17:49 PM promptjump
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** The [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/8.html entire]] [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname cycle]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/78.html of]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/103.html "Pact]] [[ http://magiccards.info/fut/en/139.htmlspells]] from ''Future Sight'' also fall into this: They're very powerful spells for free, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]]. Pact of Negation sees the most use of all of these, and there it's used to keep instant-win combos from being countered.

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** The [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/8.html entire]] The]] [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname cycle]] entire]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/78.html of]] cycle]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/103.html "Pact]] of]] [[ http://magiccards.info/fut/en/139.htmlspells]] html Pacts] from ''Future Sight'' also fall into this: They're very powerful spells for free, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]]. Pact of Negation sees the most tournament use of all of these, and there it's used to keep instant-win combos from being countered.interrupted, while the rest are niche cards at best & unusable at worst.
19th Feb '16 3:13:47 PM promptjump
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** [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname Pact of Negation]] also falls into this: It's a free counterspell, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]].

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** The [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/8.html entire]] [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname Pact of Negation]] cycle]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/78.html of]] [[http://magiccards.info/fut/en/103.html "Pact]] [[ http://magiccards.info/fut/en/139.htmlspells]] from ''Future Sight'' also falls fall into this: It's a free counterspell, They're very powerful spells for free, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]].loss]]. Pact of Negation sees the most use of all of these, and there it's used to keep instant-win combos from being countered.
19th Feb '16 1:45:58 PM promptjump
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** [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=pact+of+negation&v=card&s=cname Pact of Negation]] also falls into this: It's a free counterspell, but you have to win the game that turn or be certain you'll have the mana available next turn to pay for it, otherwise it's an [[NonStandardGameOver instant loss]].



* Any of the legends from ''Legends'' could be considered.
* Magic's early card designers didn't appreciate that giving a big creature a high mana cost was already a drawback, hence why cards like the elder dragons, [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=159241 Polar Kraken]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=108920 Leviathan]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=184593 Marjhan]] have such hideous drawbacks in addition to their huge cost.

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* Any of the legends from ''Legends'' could be considered.
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considered when they first came out: Large creatures with splashy effects, but very expensive & frequently with upkeep costs.
** They're not even that practical anymore: Modern creatures may not have as many abilities as the ones from ''Legends'', but they can be larger & cheaper, without an upkeep cost or other drawback.
Magic's early card designers didn't appreciate that giving a big creature a high mana cost was already a drawback, hence why cards like the elder dragons, [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=159241 Polar Kraken]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=108920 Leviathan]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=184593 Marjhan]] have such hideous drawbacks in addition to their huge cost.
19th Feb '16 1:38:47 PM promptjump
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** And just to twist the knife further, should you somehow manage to get her into play, your opponent can still "blink" Phage (that is, exile her and then return her to the battlefield, such as with [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=15127 Flicker]]). The result? Her first ability will trigger, see that you didn't cast her from your hand, and ''kill you''.

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** She's not even usable in Commander, a format where unusual cards thrive, because casting her from your command zone does not count as casting from your hand... costing you the game on the spot [[note]]Any deck with Phage as its commander would be mono-black, and none of the few cards that negate triggered abilities are black or colorless[[/note]].
** And just to twist the knife further, should you somehow manage to get her into play, your opponent can still "blink" Phage (that is, exile her and then return her to the battlefield, such as with [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=15127 Flicker]]). The result? Her first ability will trigger, see that you didn't cast her from your hand, and ''kill you''.



** In the same vein, Apocalypse had [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=27231 Last Stand]]: Each of its 5 effects would have been great on its own, but putting them all on 1 WUBRG card [[note]]i.e. a card that costs one of each color of mana[[/note]] results in a spell that really doesn't have a practical use: 5-color decks tend not to have too many of any 1 land type[[note]]Some 5-color decks run extra Forests because of green's access to mana acceleration & land tutoring, but that doesn't help when Last Stand's Forest-based ability is the worst of the 5[[/note]], so a 5-color spell whose power depends on how many of each basic land type you control is extremely difficult to cast, let alone effectively.

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** In the same vein, Apocalypse had [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=27231 Last Stand]]: Each of its 5 effects would have been great on its own, own[[note]]Drawing 1 card for each Island you control would be devastating in the late game, for example[[/note]], but putting them all on 1 WUBRG card [[note]]i.e. a [[note]]a card that costs one of each color of mana[[/note]] results in a spell that really doesn't have a practical use: 5-color decks tend not to have too many of any 1 land type[[note]]Some 5-color decks run extra Forests because of green's access to mana acceleration & land tutoring, but that doesn't help when Last Stand's Forest-based Green's ability is arguably the worst of the 5[[/note]], so a 5-color spell whose power depends on how & there are easier ways to get many of or infinite tokens[[/note]], so the spell's tough to cast & generally worse than low-cost cards in each basic land type you control is extremely difficult to cast, let alone effectively.color.
12th Jan '16 4:18:29 PM promptjump
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* Most InstantWinCondition cards end up being impractical. They range from [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=193467 suffering enough damage to reduce yourself to exactly 1 life]] to [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=29978 winning ten coin flips]]. While it's incredibly satisfying to use these spells and actually have them go off, and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83133 Battle of Wits]] has even seen some high-level tournament play, it's much more practical to use conventional means. In particular, most of these shenanigans requires you to do things that would have won you the game anyways, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=180620 pumping a creature to 20 power]] [[note]]Although that card has other effects that make it slightly more useful[[/note]]. Attacking the opponent directly with a creature with 20 power usually means victory.

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* ** Most InstantWinCondition cards end up being impractical. They range from [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=193467 suffering enough damage to reduce yourself to exactly 1 life]] to [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=29978 winning ten coin flips]]. While it's incredibly satisfying to use these spells and actually have them go off, and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=83133 Battle of Wits]] has even seen some high-level tournament play, it's much more practical to use conventional means. In particular, most of these shenanigans requires you to do things that would have won you the game anyways, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=180620 pumping a creature to 20 power]] [[note]]Although that card has other effects that make it slightly more useful[[/note]]. Attacking the opponent directly with a creature with 20 power usually means victory.



* [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Savor+the+Moment Savor the Moment]] from ''Shadowmoor'' lets you take an extra turn for only 1 more blue mana than Time Walk.... but at the cost of skipping your untap step. There might be a deck that could abuse this with upkeep or other automatic effects, but in most cases this reduces an entire extra turn to just drawing one card, since most abilities either require tapping or mana.

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* [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=!Savor+the+Moment Savor the Moment]] from ''Shadowmoor'' lets you take an extra turn for only 1 more blue mana than Time Walk.... but at the cost of skipping your untap step. There might be a deck that could abuse this with upkeep or other automatic effects, but in most cases this skipping the untap step reduces an entire the extra turn to just drawing one card, since most abilities either require tapping or mana.a card (or doing things postponed from the last turn).
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