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10th Sep '17 6:52:06 PM TheUnknownUploader
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* ExtremeDoormat Juror #2 calling out #7 on his inappropriate snarking.
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* ExtremeDoormat Juror #2 calling out #7 on his inappropriate snarking.
21st May '17 2:28:55 PM mikrolik
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* Juror #4 deserves credit for changing his vote ''not'' because of pressure or wanting to leave or realizing no one was listening to him, but because he realized he was ''wrong'', and [[GracefulLoser he immediately and gracefully accepts it]]. Dude's a class act.

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* Juror #4 deserves credit for changing his vote ''not'' because of pressure or wanting to leave or realizing no one was listening to him, but because he realized he was ''wrong'', #8 and the others finally instill in him a reasonable doubt, and [[GracefulLoser he immediately and gracefully accepts it]]. Dude's a class act.
25th Apr '17 5:23:01 PM ading
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* Juror #5 plays a huge part in proving the [[ReverseGrip knife plot point]] through is own personal experiences with it. He's also the first to stand up to Juror #10's racist filibuster by slamming down the newspaper and walking away (although technically Juror #3 has already stormed away from the table in annoyance when nine jurors vote for acquittal just before #10's rant begins).

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* Juror #5 plays a huge part in proving the [[ReverseGrip knife plot point]] through is his own personal experiences with it. He's also the first to stand up to Juror #10's racist filibuster by slamming down the newspaper and walking away (although technically Juror #3 has already stormed away from the table in annoyance when nine jurors vote for acquittal just before #10's rant begins).
4th Apr '17 4:51:49 PM Eievie
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* Juror #8 overall, but especially the first part (after the vote became 6 and 6, it was just a matter of finishing what had started) - at the beginning, eleven men agree on one thing - that the defendant is guilty. That's pretty much all they agree on, and Juror #8 [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation turns minor disagreements into major ones]], [[MagnificentBastard eventually convincing the other 11 that there is reasonable doubt]]. There's also ''how'' he does it--he doesn't ''say,'' "the defendant is not guilty", but asks the others to elaborate on their reasons for being convinced, showing each one sooner or later that said reasons don't actually exist, and remaining calm long enough for them to realize it. [[GushingAboutCharactersYouLike Name any war in history]], and [[RightManInTheWrongPlace had Juror #8 been there]], [[AlternateHistory that war would not have started]].

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* Juror #8 overall, but especially the first part (after the vote became 6 and 6, it was just a matter of finishing what had started) - at started)--at the beginning, eleven men agree on one thing - that thing--that the defendant is guilty. That's pretty much all they agree on, and Juror #8 [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation turns minor disagreements into major ones]], [[MagnificentBastard eventually convincing the other 11 that there is reasonable doubt]]. There's also ''how'' he does it--he doesn't ''say,'' "the defendant is not guilty", but asks the others to elaborate on their reasons for being convinced, showing each one sooner or later that said reasons don't actually exist, and remaining calm long enough for them to realize it. [[GushingAboutCharactersYouLike Name any war in history]], and [[RightManInTheWrongPlace had Juror #8 been there]], [[AlternateHistory that war would not have started]].



* Juror #4 gets another one towards the end when he calmly, rationally (in stark contrast to #10) explains why he still thinks the boy is guilty, and is so convincing he actually swings a not-guilty voter back to guilty (albeit temporarily) -- the only time that happens.

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* Juror #4 gets another one towards the end when he calmly, rationally (in stark contrast to #10) explains why he still thinks the boy is guilty, and is so convincing he actually swings a not-guilty voter back to guilty (albeit temporarily) -- the temporarily)--the only time that happens.



-->'''Juror #7:''' "Now listen, you can't talk to me like that--!"\\
'''Juror #11:''' "I ''can'' talk like that to you."

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-->'''Juror #7:''' "Now Now listen, you can't talk to me like that--!"\\
that--!\\
'''Juror #11:''' "I I ''can'' talk like that to you."



--> '''Juror #11''': Beg pardon...
--> '''Juror #10''': "Beg pardon"? What are you so polite about?
--> '''Juror #11''': For the same reason you are not--it's the way I was brought up.

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--> '''Juror #11''': Beg pardon...
-->
pardon...\\
'''Juror #10''': "Beg pardon"? What are you so polite about?
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about?\\
'''Juror #11''': For the same reason you are not--it's the way I was brought up.



--> '''Juror #10''': Bright? He's a common, ignorant slob. He don't even speak good English!
--> '''Juror #11''': He ''doesn't'' even speak good English.

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--> '''Juror -->'''Juror #10''': Bright? He's a common, ignorant slob. He don't even speak good English!
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English!\\
'''Juror #11''': He ''doesn't'' even speak good English.



--> '''Juror #8''': I'd like to ask you something. You don't believe the boy's story, how come you believe the woman's? She's one of ''them'' too, isn't she?
--> '''Juror #10''': [[{{Beat}} (smile slowly drops)]] ...You're a pretty smart fella, aren't you?

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--> '''Juror #8''': I'd like to ask you something. You don't believe the boy's story, how come you believe the woman's? She's one of ''them'' too, isn't she?
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she?\\
'''Juror #10''': [[{{Beat}} (smile slowly drops)]] ...You're a pretty smart fella, aren't you?
5th Feb '17 7:01:59 PM benda
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** Just before that, Juror #8 standing still to let Juror #3 demonstrate the {{Reverse Grip}}'s feasibility--by making every motion up to stabbing him--deserves at least an honorable mention.
22nd Nov '16 3:36:54 PM 017Bluefield
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* Juror #8 overall, but especially the first part (after the vote became 6 and 6, it was just a matter of finishing what had started) - at the beginning, eleven men agree on one thing - that the defendant is guilty. That's pretty much all they agree on, and Juror #8 [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation turns minor disagreements into major ones]], [[MagnificentBastard eventually convincing the other 11 that there is reasonable doubt]]. Also, how he does it - he doesn't say, "the defendant is not guilty", but asks the others to elaborate on their reasons for being convinced, showing each one sooner or later that said reasons don't actually exist, and remaining calm long enough for them to realize it. [[GushingAboutCharactersYouLike Name any war in history]], and [[RightManInTheWrongPlace had Juror #8 been there]], [[AlternateHistory that war would not have started]].
** A particular moment occurs when everyone else is prattling on how the boy's switchblade was damning evidence since it was unique. Juror #8 silently destroys that argument with one blow when he produces an ''exact copy'' of the switchblade and stabs into the table.[[note]]Of course, in real life, since he went out and bought it specifically for the next day's deliberation, that would end the case in a mistrial.[[/note]]
** He gets another just a few minutes later by invoking the IneffectualDeathThreat. One argument in favor of conviction was that the defendant was heard yelling, "[[IllKillYou I'LL KILL YOU!]]" at the victim. Juror #8 provokes Juror #3 (the one most adamant for a conviction). Juror #3 ''lunges'' at Juror #8 and has to be held back by the others as he yells, "[[MeaningfulEcho I'LL KILL HIM! I'LL KILL HIM!]]" Juror #8 stays calm and cool, and says in an almost mocking voice, "You don't ''really'' mean you'll kill me, do you?"
** Gets yet another one when #3 is holding the knife to reenact the stabbing. When everyone freaks out[[note]]Likely thinking that, due to the fighting between the two, #3 might really stab him[[/note]], he doesn't even bat an eyelid.
* They all got a collective moment when they reject the racist rant of Juror #10 toward the end. As one by one they all turn their backs to him, he [[VillainousBreakdown grows more and more distressed]], bewildered by their rejection of his words, until the only man still facing him is the stoic businessman, Juror #4.
-->'''Juror #10:''' Listen to me. Listen.
-->'''Juror #4:''' I have. Now sit down and don't open your mouth again.
** And, for the rest of the movie, that's what he does.

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* Juror #8 overall, but especially the first part (after the vote became 6 and 6, it was just a matter of finishing what had started) - at the beginning, eleven men agree on one thing - that the defendant is guilty. That's pretty much all they agree on, and Juror #8 [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation turns minor disagreements into major ones]], [[MagnificentBastard eventually convincing the other 11 that there is reasonable doubt]]. Also, how There's also ''how'' he does it - he it--he doesn't say, ''say,'' "the defendant is not guilty", but asks the others to elaborate on their reasons for being convinced, showing each one sooner or later that said reasons don't actually exist, and remaining calm long enough for them to realize it. [[GushingAboutCharactersYouLike Name any war in history]], and [[RightManInTheWrongPlace had Juror #8 been there]], [[AlternateHistory that war would not have started]].
** A particular moment occurs when everyone else is prattling on how the boy's switchblade was damning evidence since it was unique. Juror #8 silently destroys that argument with one blow blow, when he produces an ''exact copy'' of the switchblade and stabs into the table.[[note]]Of course, in real life, since he went out and bought it specifically for the next day's deliberation, that would end the case in a mistrial.[[/note]]
** He gets another just a few minutes later later, by invoking the IneffectualDeathThreat. One argument in favor of conviction was that the defendant was heard yelling, "[[IllKillYou I'LL KILL YOU!]]" at the victim. Juror #8 provokes Juror #3 (the one most adamant for a conviction). Juror #3 ''lunges'' at Juror #8 and has to be held back by the others as he yells, "[[MeaningfulEcho I'LL KILL HIM! I'LL KILL HIM!]]" Juror #8 stays calm and cool, and says in an almost mocking voice, just says, "You don't ''really'' mean you'll kill me, do you?"
** Gets yet another one when #3 is holding the knife to reenact the stabbing. When everyone freaks out[[note]]Likely out[[note]]likely thinking that, due to the fighting between the two, #3 might really actually stab him[[/note]], he #8 doesn't even bat an eyelid.
* They all got a collective moment when they reject the racist rant of Juror #10 toward the end. As one by one they all turn their backs to him, him one-by-one, he [[VillainousBreakdown grows more and more distressed]], bewildered by their rejection of his words, until the only man still facing him is the stoic businessman, Juror #4.
-->'''Juror #10:''' Listen to me. Listen.
-->'''Juror
me... Listen...\\
'''Juror
#4:''' I have. Now sit down and don't open your mouth again.
** And, for the rest of the movie, that's ''exactly'' what he does.



-->'''Juror #5:''' Pardon me, but don't you ever sweat?
-->'''Juror #4:''' No, I don't.
** Topped later when his argument falls apart and he wipes his brow for the first (and only) time.
* Juror #9 gets two. First, when #8 offers to change his vote to guilty if all eleven other jurors still vote that way. #9 votes not guilty, not because he's been convinced of that but because he admires #8 for standing alone in his convictions for so long. Then at the end of the film, he's the one who figures out the critical flaw in the most damning piece of evidence against the defendant. When #3 asks why the defense attorney didn't bring it up, #8 points out that of the twelve of them, eleven couldn't think of it either, and gives #9 a congratulatory back slap.
* Juror #11 gets one when Juror #7 changes his vote to "not guilty" just because he is tired and bored and generally "had enough". Right then #11 (who already voted "not guilty') berates #7 violently for not taking the matter seriously:

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-->'''Juror #5:''' Pardon me, but don't you ever sweat?
-->'''Juror
sweat?\\
'''Juror
#4:''' No, I don't.
** Topped later when his argument for memory falls apart apart, and he wipes his brow for the first (and only) time.
* Juror #9 gets two. First, when #8 offers to change his vote to guilty if all eleven other jurors still vote that way. way, #9 votes not guilty, guilty. He's not because saying he's been convinced of that but that; he voted as such because he admires #8 for standing alone in his convictions for so long. Then at the end of the film, he's the one who figures out the critical flaw in the most damning piece of evidence against the defendant. When #3 asks why the defense attorney didn't bring it up, #8 points out that that, of the twelve 12 of them, eleven couldn't think of it either, and gives #9 a congratulatory back slap.
* Juror #11 gets one when Juror #7 changes his vote to "not guilty" just because he is tired and bored and generally "had enough". Right then then, #11 (who already voted "not guilty') berates #7 violently for not taking the matter seriously:



** To show just how disgusting this was, #11 doesn't press the issue when #7 openly insults him for being an immigrant, but he gets pretty pissed over ''this.''

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** To show just how disgusting this was, was: did #11 doesn't press the issue get ticked off when #7 openly insults him for being an immigrant, but immigrant? No. Did he gets pretty pissed over ''this.get ticked off when #7 acted with no real regard to the issue at hand? ''Yes.''



-->'''Juror #7:''' "Now listen, you can't talk like that to me!"
-->'''Juror #11:''' "Yes, I ''can'' talk like that to you."

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-->'''Juror #7:''' "Now listen, you can't talk to me like that to me!"
-->'''Juror
that--!"\\
'''Juror
#11:''' "Yes, I "I ''can'' talk like that to you."



--> '''Juror #11''': For the same reason you are not-- it's the way I was brought up.

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--> '''Juror #11''': For the same reason you are not-- it's not--it's the way I was brought up.



* Juror #5 plays a huge part in proving the [[ReverseGrip knife plot point]] through is own experience with it. He's also the first to stand up to Juror #10's racist filibuster by slamming down the newspaper and walking away (although technically Juror #3 has already stormed away from the table in annoyance when nine jurors vote for acquittal just before #10's rant begins).
** Just before that, Juror #8 standing still to let Juror #3 demonstrate the {{Reverse Grip}}'s feasibility - by making every motion up to stabbing him - deserves at least an honorable mention.

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* Juror #5 plays a huge part in proving the [[ReverseGrip knife plot point]] through is own experience personal experiences with it. He's also the first to stand up to Juror #10's racist filibuster by slamming down the newspaper and walking away (although technically Juror #3 has already stormed away from the table in annoyance when nine jurors vote for acquittal just before #10's rant begins).
** Just before that, Juror #8 standing still to let Juror #3 demonstrate the {{Reverse Grip}}'s feasibility - by feasibility--by making every motion up to stabbing him - deserves him--deserves at least an honorable mention.



--> '''Juror #3''': What about all the other evidence? What about all that stuff, the, the knife, the- the whole business!
--> '''Juror #2''': Well, you said we could throw out all the other evidence!

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--> '''Juror #3''': What about all the other evidence? What about all that stuff, the, the knife, the- the the--the whole business!
-->
business!\\
'''Juror #2''': Well, you said we could throw out all the other evidence!



--> '''Juror #10''': [[{{Beat}} (smile slowly drops)]] You're a pretty smart fella, aren't you?
* Juror #4 deserves credit for changing his vote not because of pressure or wanting to leave or realizing no one was listening to him, but because he realized he was ''wrong'', and he immediately and gracefully accepts it. Dude's a class act.

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--> '''Juror #10''': [[{{Beat}} (smile slowly drops)]] drops)]] ...You're a pretty smart fella, aren't you?
* Juror #4 deserves credit for changing his vote not ''not'' because of pressure or wanting to leave or realizing no one was listening to him, but because he realized he was ''wrong'', and [[GracefulLoser he immediately and gracefully accepts it. it]]. Dude's a class act.act.
-->'''Juror #4''': ...No. I'm convinced. Not guilty.
25th Jun '16 3:46:56 AM Timwi
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* Another (minor) #8 moment, when everyone was trying to prove to him the boy was guilty. Specifically when #10 was explaining the witness's story (seeing the killing from the other side when an L-train passed by).

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* Another (minor) #8 moment, when everyone was trying to prove to him the boy was guilty. Specifically when #10 was explaining the witness's story (seeing the killing from the other side when an L-train el train passed by).
6th Jan '16 4:46:23 PM Luigiofthegods
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** He gets another just a few minutes later. One argument in favor of conviction was that the defendant was heard yelling, "[[IllKillYou I'LL KILL YOU!]]" at the victim. Juror #8 provokes Juror #3 (the one most adamant for a conviction). Juror #3 ''lunges'' at Juror #8 and has to be held back by the others as he yells, "[[MeaningfulEcho I'LL KILL HIM! I'LL KILL HIM!]]" Juror #8 stays calm and cool, and says in an almost mocking voice, "You don't ''really'' mean you'll kill me, do you?"

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** He gets another just a few minutes later.later by invoking the IneffectualDeathThreat. One argument in favor of conviction was that the defendant was heard yelling, "[[IllKillYou I'LL KILL YOU!]]" at the victim. Juror #8 provokes Juror #3 (the one most adamant for a conviction). Juror #3 ''lunges'' at Juror #8 and has to be held back by the others as he yells, "[[MeaningfulEcho I'LL KILL HIM! I'LL KILL HIM!]]" Juror #8 stays calm and cool, and says in an almost mocking voice, "You don't ''really'' mean you'll kill me, do you?"
10th Feb '15 7:12:06 AM Kingault
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* Gets yet another one when #3 is holding the knife to reenact the stabbing. When everyone freaks out[[note]]Likely thinking that, due to the fighting between the two, #3 might really stab him[[/note]], he doesn't even bat an eyelid.

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* ** Gets yet another one when #3 is holding the knife to reenact the stabbing. When everyone freaks out[[note]]Likely thinking that, due to the fighting between the two, #3 might really stab him[[/note]], he doesn't even bat an eyelid.
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