History AntiVillain / VideoGames

24th Apr '17 7:01:16 PM nombretomado
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* The BigBad in almost ANY TalesSeries game is an AntiVillain, although some more than others, since they may be revealed at the end of the game or the last few hours.

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* The BigBad in almost ANY TalesSeries VideoGame/TalesSeries game is an AntiVillain, although some more than others, since they may be revealed at the end of the game or the last few hours.
22nd Apr '17 5:00:12 PM nombretomado
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* ''SuikodenII'': There are a whole bunch of them on the Highland side of the war. The main antagonist, [[spoiler:[[HeroAntagonist the hero's best friend, Jowy]]]], is the clearest example of this. In the end, both the hero and [[spoiler:Jowy]] have the same goal, to ensure peace in the land. The problem is that they are leaders of opposing nations in a war in which one must wipe out the other to achieve peace, and they are also destined to do battle due to the nature of the runes they possess. Culgan and Seed are also anti-villains, and work along with [[spoiler:Jowy]] and Leon (another anti-villain) to get rid of Luca Blight. Lucia also falls under this trope, as well as Kiba and Klaus, although they later join your party.
** Also from the ''Suikoden'' series, [[VideoGame/SuikodenV Bahram Luger]]. He never wanted the bloodshed that the Godwins brought about, and he never wanted to face his mentor, Raja, in battle, but he holds his loyalty so high that he would suck it up and go do his duty.

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* ''SuikodenII'': ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'':
** ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'':
There are a whole bunch of them on the Highland side of the war. The main antagonist, [[spoiler:[[HeroAntagonist the hero's best friend, Jowy]]]], is the clearest example of this. In the end, both the hero and [[spoiler:Jowy]] have the same goal, to ensure peace in the land. The problem is that they are leaders of opposing nations in a war in which one must wipe out the other to achieve peace, and they are also destined to do battle due to the nature of the runes they possess. Culgan and Seed are also anti-villains, and work along with [[spoiler:Jowy]] and Leon (another anti-villain) to get rid of Luca Blight. Lucia also falls under this trope, as well as Kiba and Klaus, although they later join your party.
** Also from the ''Suikoden'' series, [[VideoGame/SuikodenV ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'': Bahram Luger]].Luger. He never wanted the bloodshed that the Godwins brought about, and he never wanted to face his mentor, Raja, in battle, but he holds his loyalty so high that he would suck it up and go do his duty.
21st Apr '17 2:42:21 AM Alcyius
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*** Except that [[spoiler: Duke]] also subverts it when [[spoiler: he is actually just knocked unconscious instead of being defeated after a two to three stage battle, then when Duke comes to his senses, he actually sees eye to eye with the main protagonists of the game and then joins them and ends up saving the day instead of keeping his ideals to the very end.]]
*** Although much closer to being a "true" villain than [[spoiler: Duke,]] even [[spoiler: Alexei]] could still be considered this because, as [[spoiler: he points out, his ultimate objectives are not all that different from Brave Vesperia's own objectives. Like them, he is attempting to end the Empire's stagnation and the various other problems in the world. The primary difference is that while Yuri is willing to use almost any means to reach his goals while working as a free man, and Flynn upholds Imperial law while attempting to reform the Empire from within, Alexei uses any and all means available to him, including resources outside of the Empire's sphere of influence. What cements him as this trope best is his own appeal to the party: "Not ONE of you believes the Empire is in the right!"]]



*** Except that [[spoiler: Duke]] also subverts it when [[spoiler: he is actually just knocked unconscious instead of being defeated after a two to three stage battle, then when Duke comes to his senses, he actually sees eye to eye with the main protagonists of the game and then joins them and ends up saving the day instead of keeping his ideals to the very end.]]
*** Although much closer to being a "true" villain than [[spoiler: Duke,]] even [[spoiler: Alexei]] could still be considered this because, as [[spoiler: he points out, his ultimate objectives are not all that different from Brave Vesperia's own objectives. Like them, he is attempting to end the Empire's stagnation and the various other problems in the world. The primary difference is that while Yuri is willing to use almost any means to reach his goals while working as a free man, and Flynn upholds Imperial law while attempting to reform the Empire from within, Alexei uses any and all means available to him, including resources outside of the Empire's sphere of influence. What cements him as this trope best is his own appeal to the party: "Not ONE of you believes the Empire is in the right!"]]
21st Apr '17 2:41:37 AM Alcyius
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** ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' again with the BigBad, [[spoiler: Heldalf. While Heldalf was a bad person before his transformation into the Lord of Calamity, it was mundane evil. He took over Camlann, the Origin Village, to secure a route from his homeland, the Rolance Empire, to prepare for an invasion of the Kingdom of Hyland. When Hyland forces invaded and slaughtered the village, he simply withdrew his troops. When the chaos corrupted the God who lived there, Maotelus, as well as the previous Shepherd's newborn child, the Shepherd sacrificed his child to the corrupted Maotelus to curse Heldalf to live a live of unending loneliness and pain, thus turning him into the Lord of Calamity, who sought to turn all humans into hellions to reveal their true nature.]]
** And the BigBad of ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'', [[spoiler: Artorius Collbrande]], as well. [[spoiler: When humans who gave into their malevolence turned into daemons on the Scarlet Night, and killed his wife and unborn child, his heart was filled with despair. This turned out to be the first step to awakening Inominat, who would surpress humanities' emotions to stop the creation of daemons. At this point, he was approached by Melchior, who convinced him to lock away his emotions and work to revive Inominate for the greater good, and seven years later, he sacrificed the protagonist, Velvet Crowe's, brother, Laphicet, which ended with Velvet transformed into a daemon and set off the events of the game.]]
20th Apr '17 8:45:44 AM FF32
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* [[ConversationalTroping Conversed about]] in ''VideoGame/Persona3Portable''. Junpei doesn't like anti-villains, because they're not as satisfying to beat. [[spoiler:If you played the original [=PS2=] game beforehand and already know about his relationship with [[DatingCatwoman Chidori]] and friendship with [[TragicMonster Ryoji]], you'll understand the irony.]]

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* [[ConversationalTroping Conversed about]] in ''VideoGame/Persona3Portable''.''[[VideoGame/Persona3 Persona 3 Portable]]''. Junpei doesn't like anti-villains, because they're not as satisfying to beat. [[spoiler:If you played the original [=PS2=] game beforehand and already know about his relationship with [[DatingCatwoman Chidori]] and friendship with [[TragicMonster Ryoji]], you'll understand the irony.]]
11th Apr '17 6:49:16 PM nombretomado
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* From ''SilentHill'' (of all places), we have [[SilentHill4 Walter Sullivan]]. Sure, he's an insane, quite possibly clinically socipathic SerialKiller, who wants to kill 21 people to resurrect his "mom" (the ''apartment room'' where he was born, or so he believes)...and then you discover the [[ColdBloodedTorture long]], [[ParentalAbandonment long]], ''[[ReligionOfEvil long]]'', [[MindRape LONG]] [[TraumaCongaLine list of grievances]] he has against the world. In short, he has a FreudianExcuse that actually ''holds water''. By the end of the game, you want to kill him as much for wanting to kill you as [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds to put the guy out of his misery]].

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* From ''SilentHill'' ''Franchise/SilentHill'' (of all places), we have [[SilentHill4 [[VideoGame/SilentHill4 Walter Sullivan]]. Sure, he's an insane, quite possibly clinically socipathic sociopathic SerialKiller, who wants to kill 21 people to resurrect his "mom" (the ''apartment room'' where he was born, or so he believes)...and then you discover the [[ColdBloodedTorture long]], [[ParentalAbandonment long]], ''[[ReligionOfEvil long]]'', [[MindRape LONG]] [[TraumaCongaLine list of grievances]] he has against the world. In short, he has a FreudianExcuse that actually ''holds water''. By the end of the game, you want to kill him as much for wanting to kill you as [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds to put the guy out of his misery]].
10th Apr '17 1:43:50 AM Karxrida
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** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Genealogy of the Holy War]]'': while it appears that Alvis makes a FaceHeelTurn and kills all of Sigurd's army, he actually has a FreudianExcuse and isn't really that much of a villain, especially considering that [[spoiler: his son is far, far worse.]] He gives Sigurd's son his InfinityPlusOneSword. Yeah, killing him made a real difference...''not.''
** One can also argue that [[BigBad Zephiel]] in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem 6]]'' is also an AntiVillain, even if he has a different FreudianExcuse for deciding that HumansAreTheRealMonsters.
*** Definitely a valid argument - and all the Bern Generals except [[SmugSnake Narshen]] count, given their dispositions: [[TheDragon Murdock]] was loyal ever since [[UsedToBeASweetKid his king was a young and kind-hearted prince]], and dies trying to hold off Roy's forces; [[DarkMagicalGirl Brenya]] goes into battle knowing her liege is dead and she will join him, entirely out of loyalty; and [[BigBrotherMentor Galle]] feels he cannot turn sides even after [[spoiler: both Zeiss and Miledy]] try to convince him, because he's chosen his path and won't betray it.
** [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem (Rekka no Ken)]]: the original Black Fang were heroes of the common folk for eliminating tyrannical members of their home country's government. It wasn't until [[BigBad Nergal]] showed up that they started attacking innocents.

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** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Genealogy of the Holy War]]'': ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar'': while it appears that Alvis makes a FaceHeelTurn and kills all of Sigurd's army, he actually has a FreudianExcuse and isn't really that much of a villain, especially considering that [[spoiler: his son is far, far worse.]] He gives Sigurd's son his InfinityPlusOneSword. Yeah, killing him made a real difference...''not.''
** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776'': One can also argue that [[BigBad Zephiel]] in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem 6]]'' is also an AntiVillain, even if he has a different FreudianExcuse for deciding that HumansAreTheRealMonsters.
*** Definitely a valid argument - and all
of the Bern Generals except [[SmugSnake Narshen]] count, given their dispositions: [[TheDragon Murdock]] was loyal ever since [[UsedToBeASweetKid his king was a young and kind-hearted prince]], and dies trying to hold off Roy's forces; [[DarkMagicalGirl Brenya]] goes into battle knowing her liege is dead and she will join him, entirely out of loyalty; and [[BigBrotherMentor Galle]] feels he cannot turn sides even after [[spoiler: both Zeiss and Miledy]] try to convince him, because he's chosen his path and won't betray it.
antagonists, Reinhardt, just follows orders but clearly despises the motivations behind them.
** [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Fire Emblem (Rekka no Ken)]]: ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade'': the original Black Fang were heroes of the common folk for eliminating tyrannical members of their home country's government. It wasn't until [[BigBad Nergal]] showed up that they started attacking innocents.



** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Radiant Dawn]]'' has Zelgius, [[spoiler:Deghinsea, and Sephiran.]]
*** Raven King Naesala straddles the line between this and AntiHero, since his [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder allegiances shift]] during the game.

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** ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Radiant Dawn]]'' %%** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn'' has Zelgius, [[spoiler:Deghinsea, and Sephiran.]]
*** %%*** Raven King Naesala straddles the line between this and AntiHero, since his [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder allegiances shift]] during the game.
2nd Apr '17 3:42:27 PM nombretomado
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* [[ConversationalTroping Conversed about]] in ''{{Persona 3}} Portable''. Junpei doesn't like anti-villains, because they're not as satisfying to beat. [[spoiler:If you played the original [=PS2=] game beforehand and already know about his relationship with [[DatingCatwoman Chidori]] and friendship with [[TragicMonster Ryoji]], you'll understand the irony.]]

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* [[ConversationalTroping Conversed about]] in ''{{Persona 3}} Portable''.''VideoGame/Persona3Portable''. Junpei doesn't like anti-villains, because they're not as satisfying to beat. [[spoiler:If you played the original [=PS2=] game beforehand and already know about his relationship with [[DatingCatwoman Chidori]] and friendship with [[TragicMonster Ryoji]], you'll understand the irony.]]
2nd Apr '17 12:32:11 PM nombretomado
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** In ''{{Persona 2}}: Eternal Punishment'', Kandori Takahisa has learned BeingEvilSucks, and just wants to settle the score with his old enemy Kei Nanjo.

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** In ''{{Persona 2}}: ''VideoGame/Persona2: Eternal Punishment'', Kandori Takahisa has learned BeingEvilSucks, and just wants to settle the score with his old enemy Kei Nanjo.
17th Mar '17 7:22:58 PM nombretomado
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* Due to the way the {{Nasuverse}} treats antagonists, you can end up as enemies of people who may be really, ''really'' evil or crazy; they, at least, have good kills. [[{{VisualNovel/Tsukihime}} For example, Arcueid and Akiha]] are both love interests, and they can also go rather {{yandere}} over Shiki. [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Ilya]] is a confused girl who can't decide if she hates Shirou for being Kiritsugu's (apparent) favorite or likes him because [[spoiler:she's his sister]], or Lancer, who serves [[spoiler:Kotomine]] out of his personal sense of honor and, because [[spoiler:Kotomine]] has none, turns on him in both Fate and UBW. Even Kotomine gets an A for Effort in ''LightNovel/FateZero'' and Heavens Feel route despite numerous [[KickTheDog rather unpleasant]] to [[MoralEventHorizon downright sadistic]] things he does {{for the evulz}}. Also, [[VideoGame/MeltyBlood Walachia/Tatari]] is a horrible, horrible monster because...he's trying to avert the doom of mankind, which can't be done, but as far as he knows, turning himself into what he is now is his only shot. MotiveDecay is sort of inevitable when you stop being an actual entity though.

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* Due to the way the {{Nasuverse}} {{Franchise/Nasuverse}} treats antagonists, you can end up as enemies of people who may be really, ''really'' evil or crazy; they, at least, have good kills. [[{{VisualNovel/Tsukihime}} For example, Arcueid and Akiha]] are both love interests, and they can also go rather {{yandere}} over Shiki. [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Ilya]] is a confused girl who can't decide if she hates Shirou for being Kiritsugu's (apparent) favorite or likes him because [[spoiler:she's his sister]], or Lancer, who serves [[spoiler:Kotomine]] out of his personal sense of honor and, because [[spoiler:Kotomine]] has none, turns on him in both Fate and UBW. Even Kotomine gets an A for Effort in ''LightNovel/FateZero'' and Heavens Feel route despite numerous [[KickTheDog rather unpleasant]] to [[MoralEventHorizon downright sadistic]] things he does {{for the evulz}}. Also, [[VideoGame/MeltyBlood Walachia/Tatari]] is a horrible, horrible monster because...he's trying to avert the doom of mankind, which can't be done, but as far as he knows, turning himself into what he is now is his only shot. MotiveDecay is sort of inevitable when you stop being an actual entity though.
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