History Anime / Robotech

28th May '16 6:22:08 PM WillKeaton
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* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. It is, however, noteworthy that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up. Examples:

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* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: several Several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. It is, however, noteworthy that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up. Examples:
24th May '16 6:05:19 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to contemporary sanitized anime adaptations like ''{{Voltron}}'', the relatively unvarnished depiction of war and its bloody consequences in this series was a real shock in the 1980s.

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* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to contemporary sanitized anime adaptations like ''{{Voltron}}'', ''Anime/{{Voltron}}'', the relatively unvarnished depiction of war and its bloody consequences in this series was a real shock in the 1980s.
8th May '16 10:59:49 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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*** Interestingly, the dynamic between Roy and Rick would not be seen in anime again until years later, with the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina/Simon pair]].

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*** Interestingly, the dynamic between Roy and Rick would not be seen in anime again until years later, with the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina/Simon pair]].
21st Apr '16 8:17:57 PM lalaTKG
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** Lynn Kyle started off a well intentioned pro-peace anti-war advocate but gradually degenerated into a {{Jerk Ass}} control freak due to stress from living in a war zone where his views weren't easily achievable, alcoholism, and resentment of not getting any return on the emotional investment he'd made in his cousin Lynn Minmei. While war is an undeniably terrible thing and peace greatly preferable to war, Kyle took his black and white view of the situation to an irrational extreme, making him a reversal of Rick Hunter, who also began the series with a similar black and white view of the world but eventually learned to accept the shades of gray that exist in reality. Kyle's final appearance in ''Private Time'' had him splashing water in Minmei's face (when she claimed to be tipsy) and then forcefully hauling her out of a restaurant after she irresponsibly blew off a media engagement to have lunch with Rick Hunter and then chastises her for running out on the concert she was supposed to give before telling her that he's leaving as her manager. Although he was an unreasonable jerk Kyle was also undeniably right when he chewed Minmei out for not appreciating the good fortune she'd had in life. At least at the end he's finally self-aware enough to realize he's part of the problem and genuinely wishes Minmei well as he walks out of her life. Also, some of his points against war are genuinely good, and Lisa ''uses them when talking to her father'';

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** Lynn Kyle started off a well intentioned pro-peace anti-war advocate but gradually degenerated into a {{Jerk Ass}} control freak due to stress from living in a war zone where his views weren't easily achievable, alcoholism, and resentment of not getting any return on the emotional investment he'd made in his cousin Lynn Minmei. While war is an undeniably terrible thing and peace greatly preferable to war, Kyle took his black and white view of the situation to an irrational extreme, making him a reversal of Rick Hunter, who also began the series with a similar black and white view of the world but eventually learned to accept the shades of gray that exist in reality. Kyle's final appearance in ''Private Time'' had him splashing water in Minmei's face (when she claimed to be tipsy) and then forcefully hauling her out of a restaurant after she irresponsibly blew off a media engagement to have lunch with Rick Hunter and then chastises her for running out on the concert she was supposed to give before telling her that he's leaving as her manager. Although he was an unreasonable jerk Kyle was also undeniably right when he chewed Minmei out for not appreciating the good fortune she'd had in life. At least at the end he's finally self-aware enough to realize he's part of the problem and genuinely wishes Minmei well as he walks out of her life. Also, some of his points against war are genuinely good, and Lisa ''uses them when talking to her father'';father''.
21st Apr '16 8:16:23 PM lalaTKG
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** Depends on which books, and which ending. The novelization of the Invid Invasion, for ex, ends more or less on an upbeat note, with a hint of more adventures to come as Scott Bernard heads back into space to find some missing personnel and clean up the loose ends. A later novel called ''The End Of The Circle'' picks up at the same point as ''Shadow Chronicles'', but proceeds with wildly varying, yet ''completely'' different tones, ranging from Downer ([[spoiler:Sera wastes away without the Regis, and Ariel/Marlene is next for most of the book]]) to just plain stone cold stupid ([[spoiler: After a variety of weirdness including the main characters' kids summoning the SDF-1's missing fold drive by chanting "Ro-Bo-Tech", Minmei is stranded in a pocket universe with Rem -- a ''Sentinels'' character who was another clone of Zor -- and pregnant with Rem's child, who is somehow going to actually ''be'' the original Zor, bringing time loops into everything at the last minute.]])

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** Depends on which books, and which ending. The novelization of the Invid Invasion, for ex, example, ends more or less on an upbeat note, with a hint of more adventures to come as Scott Bernard heads back into space to find some missing personnel and clean up the loose ends. A later novel called ''The End Of The Circle'' picks up at the same point as ''Shadow Chronicles'', but proceeds with wildly varying, yet ''completely'' different tones, ranging from Downer ([[spoiler:Sera wastes away without the Regis, and Ariel/Marlene is next for most of the book]]) to just plain stone cold stupid ([[spoiler: After a variety of weirdness including the main characters' kids summoning the SDF-1's missing fold drive by chanting "Ro-Bo-Tech", Minmei is stranded in a pocket universe with Rem -- a ''Sentinels'' character who was another clone of Zor -- and pregnant with Rem's child, who is somehow going to actually ''be'' the original Zor, bringing time loops into everything at the last minute.]])
21st Apr '16 8:10:16 PM lalaTKG
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* DeadlierThanTheMale: The idea between the all-female Quadrano Battalion of the Zentraedi is, in the words of their creator Azonia, that "There is ''nothing'' more fearsome than an angry female". Given their combat record, she's apparently right.

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* DeadlierThanTheMale: MoreDeadlyThanTheMale: The idea between the all-female Quadrano Battalion of the Zentraedi is, in the words of their creator Azonia, that "There is ''nothing'' more fearsome than an angry female". Given their combat record, she's apparently right.
29th Mar '16 12:22:11 PM Laevatein
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* SpiritualAntithesis: Oddly, ''{{Macross}}'' and ''Robotech'' became this as their timelines progressed. In ''Macross'', the Zentradei become more like humanity, while in ''Robotech'', thanks to repeated invasions, humanity is becoming a warrior race like the Zentradei.
26th Mar '16 8:57:44 PM WJTaylor4
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** Anatole Leonard's attempts to get rid of the officers who oppose him by assigning them to dangerous outposts and missions is compared to Roman emperors pulling similar tricks to get rid of their political rivals.
5th Mar '16 7:28:37 PM PurpleWarrior13
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In addition to redubbed anime, several comics, novels, and games have attempted to tell the story, with varying levels of success, within and between the Robotech "generations". One of the most ambitious was ''The Sentinels'', which chronicled the story of the ''Macross'' heroes as they go into space towards the Robotech Masters' homeworld in an attempt to stop any further wars. Naturally, they miss them, only to find the planet besieged by the second faction of the Invid, and meet a collection of alien races fighting to free themselves from Invid domination. Although the animated series fell apart after a few episodes were created, the story continued in comic, novel, and RPG form, each offering similar [[AlternativeContinuity variant takes on the story]]. Another stillborn project was ''Robotech: The Movie'' (a.k.a. ''Robotech: The Untold Story''), which spliced footage from the show with scenes from the anime ''Anime/{{Megazone 23}}'' in order to create a story set between the "Macross" and "Robotech Masters" sagas. Unlike ''The Sentinels'', this project was completed, but its tepid reception during test airings (resulting from audiences believing that the film was appropriate for kids) caused Harmony Gold to shelf it, and it has never had a wide release inside the states, though it was released in Latin America. The fact that the rights that Harmony Gold/Cannon Pictures had for ''Megazone 23'' expired is another reason the film will never see the light of day.

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In addition to redubbed anime, several comics, novels, and games have attempted to tell the story, with varying levels of success, within and between the Robotech "generations". One of the most ambitious was ''The Sentinels'', which chronicled the story of the ''Macross'' heroes as they go into space towards the Robotech Masters' homeworld in an attempt to stop any further wars. Naturally, they miss them, only to find the planet besieged by the second faction of the Invid, and meet a collection of alien races fighting to free themselves from Invid domination. Although the animated series fell apart after a few episodes were created, the story continued in comic, novel, and RPG form, each offering similar [[AlternativeContinuity variant takes on the story]]. Another stillborn project was ''Robotech: The Movie'' (a.k.a. ''Robotech: The Untold Story''), which spliced footage from the show with scenes from the anime ''Anime/{{Megazone 23}}'' in order to create a story set between the "Macross" and "Robotech Masters" sagas. Unlike ''The Sentinels'', this project was completed, but its tepid reception during test airings (resulting from audiences believing that the film was appropriate for kids) caused Harmony Gold to shelf it, and it has never had a wide release inside the states, though it was released in Latin America. The fact that the rights that Harmony Gold/Cannon Pictures had for ''Megazone 23'' expired is another reason the film will never see the light of day.
day (a heavily edited version is included as a bonus feature on various ''Robotech'' DVDs).



* Harmony Gold can continue to release the original ''Robotech'' stories, and can release their own [=DVD=]s of the original ''Macross'' in the US, but cannot create derivative works based on ''Macross'' (or its Big West stablemate ''Southern Cross'').
* However, they ''can'' create derivative content based on ''Mospeada'', which was wholly owned by Tatsunoko in the first place. Consequently Harmony Gold's more recent sequels, most notably the original feature-length film ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'', are all set in or after the part of the Robotech timeline drawn from ''Mospeada''.
* In addition, they effectively have veto rights for the imports and English translation of ''Macross'' merchandise and series that are not covered by the original license. Consequently, all ''Macross'' productions with the exception of the original series, ''Anime/MacrossPlus'' and ''Anime/MacrossII: LoversAgain'' (the latter two were "snuck in" under Harmony Gold's radar at a time when their TV production and licensing divisions were badly savaged by a "headhunting" raid by Haim Saban. By the time HG could have contested it, it was too late.) are blocked from being sold or translated in North America, and under Harmony Gold's interpretation, ShojiKawamori cannot make or distribute his own drawings and designs within North America. (This has not made them popular.)

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* Harmony Gold can continue to release the original ''Robotech'' stories, and can also release their own [=DVD=]s of the original ''Macross'' and ''Southern Cross'' in the US, but cannot create derivative works based on ''Macross'' (or its Big West stablemate ''Southern Cross'').
either for film or TV. However, they can still create merchandise featuring the characters, including books and comic books.
* However, they ''can'' create derivative content based on ''Mospeada'', which was wholly owned by Tatsunoko in the first place. Consequently Harmony Gold's more recent sequels, most notably the original feature-length film ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'', are all set in or after the part of the Robotech timeline drawn from ''Mospeada''.
''Mospeada''. References to the characters or events from the ''Macross'' or ''Masters'' seasons are [[WritingAroundTrademarks subtle at best]].
* In addition, they effectively have veto rights for the imports and English translation of ''Macross'' merchandise and series that are not covered by the original license. Consequently, all ''Macross'' productions with the exception of the original series, ''Anime/MacrossPlus'' and ''Anime/MacrossII: LoversAgain'' (the [[note]]the latter two were "snuck in" by LA Hero under Harmony Gold's radar at a time when their TV production and licensing divisions were badly savaged by a "headhunting" raid by Haim Saban. By the time HG could have contested it, it was too late.) [[/note]] are blocked from being sold or translated in North America, and under Harmony Gold's interpretation, ShojiKawamori cannot make or distribute his own drawings and designs within North America. (This This has not made them popular.)
popular.
25th Dec '15 3:22:41 PM WanderingBrowser
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* BatmanCanBreatheInSpace: Breetai at one point in the '''Macross Saga''' survives being blown out of his ship by clinging onto assorted spiked protrusions and climbing over the hull until he finds a door leading back in, despite lacking any sort of protection. That said, the Zentraedi were engineered to be workers on hostile environments, so a certain level of protection against the vacuum is warranted.
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