History Anime / Robotech

13th Jul '16 4:35:09 PM EDP
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* PoorCommunicationKills: [[RunningGag Every saga has one such occurrence causing a lot of avoidable trouble]]:
** When Breetai first comes to Earth he's still deciding what course of action to adopt and Earth wants to talk, but then the SDF-1 wipes out Breetai's scouts and Earth command (wrongly) assumes the Zentraedi will refuse to talk, and attack. It's only at this point that Breetai decides that conflict is inevitable...
** When the Masters arrive to Earth, Leonard wants to talk, but before that he trains a few guns at the mothership orbiting over Monument City (the capital) and sends a few fighters to do a fly-by as an implied threat, with the Masters keeping their shields down because, at this point, they aren't completely hostile. Then an officer in control of a missile launcher panics and fires all his weapons, scoring a hit because the Masters didn't expect such a stupid action and started firing their point defence guns late, at which point the Masters decide for war.
** Due their experience with the Regent's forces, the Robotech Expeditionary Force believe that the Invid on Earth have enslaved everyone they didn't kill and they have to kill all of them for the good of the universe, even if it means destroying Earth itself, and thus outright refuse to communicate. The Regess is actually a PragmaticVillain who couldn't care less for the Humans and prefer to keep them calm long enough to complete her plan and leave Earth, ''[[PetTheDog that she actually healed of the damage caused by the Rain of Death]]'', but nobody on the REF side even imagines until the Battle of Reflex Point, where they meet her and find out she had no idea why the REF continues to attack.
11th Jul '16 11:27:24 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* '''"The Macross Saga" (''Macross'')''', the story of pilot Rick Hunter and the crew of the SDF-1 battle fortress. Of the three sub-series, this one has the most in common with the original anime: aside from the names, the biggest changes were made mostly to help fit all three series together, such as the relationship between the Zentraedi and the Robotech Masters. This is mostly backstory dialogue, though a few episodes late in the series have some Southern Cross footage of the Masters spliced in.

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* '''"The Macross Saga" (''Macross'')''', the story of pilot Rick Hunter and the crew of the SDF-1 battle fortress. Of the three sub-series, this one has the most in common with the original anime: aside from the names, the biggest changes were made mostly to help fit all three series together, such as the relationship between the Zentraedi and the Robotech Masters. This is mostly comes in the form of backstory dialogue, though a few episodes late in the series have some Southern Cross footage of the Masters spliced in.



One of the stranger aspects of all of this was how Harmony Gold was able to gain the US trademark for ''Macross'' simply by defending the rights to ''Robotech''. At the time, Japan and the US did not have reciprocity for copyrights, and Bandai/Big West (the owners of ''Macross'') had sublicensed the international distribution rights to Creator/TatsunokoProduction, who licensed all aspects of ''Macross'' except the Japanese model kits to Harmony Gold. Bandai also licensed several mecha designs to FASA for use in ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'', and they were incorporated and used in the miniatures game. FASA had sued Creator/PlaymatesToys over alleged copyright infringement for a design in their ''WesternAnimation/ExoSquad/Robotech'' crossover line that resembled a "Mad Cat". Harmony Gold countersued FASA for the longstanding use of ''Macross'' IP in ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'', citing their license from Tatsunoko. The suit was settled out of court, and the settlement was sealed so the settlement terms are not known. However, the suit forced FASA to voluntarily remove the offending designs (now known as "[[FanNickname The Unseen]]") out of fear of renewed legal hassles. Big West subsequently successfully sued Tatsunoko, as ''their'' license to ''Macross'' was originally only to cover the original animation content of Macross, and ''not'' any derivative content based thereon.

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One of the stranger aspects of all of this was how Harmony Gold was able to gain the US trademark for ''Macross'' ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' simply by defending the rights to ''Robotech''. At the time, Japan and the US did not have reciprocity for copyrights, and Bandai/Big West (the owners of ''Macross'') had sublicensed the international distribution rights to Creator/TatsunokoProduction, who licensed all aspects of ''Macross'' except the Japanese model kits to Harmony Gold. Bandai also licensed several mecha designs to FASA for use in ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'', and they were incorporated and used in the miniatures game. FASA had sued Creator/PlaymatesToys over alleged copyright infringement for a design in their ''WesternAnimation/ExoSquad/Robotech'' crossover line that resembled a "Mad Cat". Harmony Gold countersued FASA for the longstanding use of ''Macross'' IP in ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'', citing their license from Tatsunoko. The suit was settled out of court, and the settlement was sealed so the settlement terms are not known. However, the suit forced FASA to voluntarily remove the offending designs (now known as "[[FanNickname The Unseen]]") out of fear of renewed legal hassles. Big West subsequently successfully sued Tatsunoko, as ''their'' license to ''Macross'' was originally only to cover the original animation content of Macross, and ''not'' any derivative content based thereon.



* In addition, they effectively have veto rights for the imports and English translation of ''Macross'' merchandise and series that are not covered by the original license. Consequently, all ''Macross'' productions with the exception of the original series, ''Anime/MacrossPlus'' and ''Anime/MacrossII: LoversAgain'' [[note]]the latter two were "snuck in" by LA Hero under Harmony Gold's radar at a time when their TV production and licensing divisions were badly savaged by a "headhunting" raid by Haim Saban. By the time HG could have contested it, it was too late.[[/note]] are blocked from being sold or translated in North America, and under Harmony Gold's interpretation, ShojiKawamori cannot make or distribute his own drawings and designs within North America. This has not made them popular.

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* In addition, they effectively have veto rights for the imports and English translation of ''Macross'' merchandise and series that are not covered by the original license. Consequently, all ''Macross'' productions with the exception of the original series, ''Anime/MacrossPlus'' and ''Anime/MacrossII: LoversAgain'' Lovers Again'' [[note]]the latter two were "snuck in" by LA Hero under Harmony Gold's radar at a time when their TV production and licensing divisions were badly savaged by a "headhunting" raid by Haim Saban. By the time HG could have contested it, it was too late.[[/note]] are blocked from being sold or translated in North America, and under Harmony Gold's interpretation, ShojiKawamori cannot make or distribute his own drawings and designs within North America. This has not made them popular.
29th Jun '16 4:57:00 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* SpiritualAntithesis: Oddly, ''{{Macross}}'' and ''Robotech'' became this as their timelines progressed. In ''Macross'', the Zentradei become more like humanity, while in ''Robotech'', thanks to repeated invasions, humanity is becoming a warrior race like the Zentradei.

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* SpiritualAntithesis: Oddly, ''{{Macross}}'' ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' and ''Robotech'' became this as their timelines progressed. In ''Macross'', the Zentradei become more like humanity, while in ''Robotech'', thanks to repeated invasions, humanity is becoming a warrior race like the Zentradei.
28th May '16 6:22:08 PM WillKeaton
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* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. It is, however, noteworthy that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up. Examples:

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* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: several Several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. It is, however, noteworthy that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up. Examples:
24th May '16 6:05:19 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to contemporary sanitized anime adaptations like ''{{Voltron}}'', the relatively unvarnished depiction of war and its bloody consequences in this series was a real shock in the 1980s.

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* DarkerAndEdgier: Compared to contemporary sanitized anime adaptations like ''{{Voltron}}'', ''Anime/{{Voltron}}'', the relatively unvarnished depiction of war and its bloody consequences in this series was a real shock in the 1980s.
8th May '16 10:59:49 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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*** Interestingly, the dynamic between Roy and Rick would not be seen in anime again until years later, with the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina/Simon pair]].

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*** Interestingly, the dynamic between Roy and Rick would not be seen in anime again until years later, with the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Kamina/Simon pair]].
21st Apr '16 8:17:57 PM lalaTKG
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** Lynn Kyle started off a well intentioned pro-peace anti-war advocate but gradually degenerated into a {{Jerk Ass}} control freak due to stress from living in a war zone where his views weren't easily achievable, alcoholism, and resentment of not getting any return on the emotional investment he'd made in his cousin Lynn Minmei. While war is an undeniably terrible thing and peace greatly preferable to war, Kyle took his black and white view of the situation to an irrational extreme, making him a reversal of Rick Hunter, who also began the series with a similar black and white view of the world but eventually learned to accept the shades of gray that exist in reality. Kyle's final appearance in ''Private Time'' had him splashing water in Minmei's face (when she claimed to be tipsy) and then forcefully hauling her out of a restaurant after she irresponsibly blew off a media engagement to have lunch with Rick Hunter and then chastises her for running out on the concert she was supposed to give before telling her that he's leaving as her manager. Although he was an unreasonable jerk Kyle was also undeniably right when he chewed Minmei out for not appreciating the good fortune she'd had in life. At least at the end he's finally self-aware enough to realize he's part of the problem and genuinely wishes Minmei well as he walks out of her life. Also, some of his points against war are genuinely good, and Lisa ''uses them when talking to her father'';

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** Lynn Kyle started off a well intentioned pro-peace anti-war advocate but gradually degenerated into a {{Jerk Ass}} control freak due to stress from living in a war zone where his views weren't easily achievable, alcoholism, and resentment of not getting any return on the emotional investment he'd made in his cousin Lynn Minmei. While war is an undeniably terrible thing and peace greatly preferable to war, Kyle took his black and white view of the situation to an irrational extreme, making him a reversal of Rick Hunter, who also began the series with a similar black and white view of the world but eventually learned to accept the shades of gray that exist in reality. Kyle's final appearance in ''Private Time'' had him splashing water in Minmei's face (when she claimed to be tipsy) and then forcefully hauling her out of a restaurant after she irresponsibly blew off a media engagement to have lunch with Rick Hunter and then chastises her for running out on the concert she was supposed to give before telling her that he's leaving as her manager. Although he was an unreasonable jerk Kyle was also undeniably right when he chewed Minmei out for not appreciating the good fortune she'd had in life. At least at the end he's finally self-aware enough to realize he's part of the problem and genuinely wishes Minmei well as he walks out of her life. Also, some of his points against war are genuinely good, and Lisa ''uses them when talking to her father'';father''.
21st Apr '16 8:16:23 PM lalaTKG
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** Depends on which books, and which ending. The novelization of the Invid Invasion, for ex, ends more or less on an upbeat note, with a hint of more adventures to come as Scott Bernard heads back into space to find some missing personnel and clean up the loose ends. A later novel called ''The End Of The Circle'' picks up at the same point as ''Shadow Chronicles'', but proceeds with wildly varying, yet ''completely'' different tones, ranging from Downer ([[spoiler:Sera wastes away without the Regis, and Ariel/Marlene is next for most of the book]]) to just plain stone cold stupid ([[spoiler: After a variety of weirdness including the main characters' kids summoning the SDF-1's missing fold drive by chanting "Ro-Bo-Tech", Minmei is stranded in a pocket universe with Rem -- a ''Sentinels'' character who was another clone of Zor -- and pregnant with Rem's child, who is somehow going to actually ''be'' the original Zor, bringing time loops into everything at the last minute.]])

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** Depends on which books, and which ending. The novelization of the Invid Invasion, for ex, example, ends more or less on an upbeat note, with a hint of more adventures to come as Scott Bernard heads back into space to find some missing personnel and clean up the loose ends. A later novel called ''The End Of The Circle'' picks up at the same point as ''Shadow Chronicles'', but proceeds with wildly varying, yet ''completely'' different tones, ranging from Downer ([[spoiler:Sera wastes away without the Regis, and Ariel/Marlene is next for most of the book]]) to just plain stone cold stupid ([[spoiler: After a variety of weirdness including the main characters' kids summoning the SDF-1's missing fold drive by chanting "Ro-Bo-Tech", Minmei is stranded in a pocket universe with Rem -- a ''Sentinels'' character who was another clone of Zor -- and pregnant with Rem's child, who is somehow going to actually ''be'' the original Zor, bringing time loops into everything at the last minute.]])
21st Apr '16 8:10:16 PM lalaTKG
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* DeadlierThanTheMale: The idea between the all-female Quadrano Battalion of the Zentraedi is, in the words of their creator Azonia, that "There is ''nothing'' more fearsome than an angry female". Given their combat record, she's apparently right.

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* DeadlierThanTheMale: MoreDeadlyThanTheMale: The idea between the all-female Quadrano Battalion of the Zentraedi is, in the words of their creator Azonia, that "There is ''nothing'' more fearsome than an angry female". Given their combat record, she's apparently right.
29th Mar '16 12:22:11 PM Laevatein
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* SpiritualAntithesis: Oddly, ''{{Macross}}'' and ''Robotech'' became this as their timelines progressed. In ''Macross'', the Zentradei become more like humanity, while in ''Robotech'', thanks to repeated invasions, humanity is becoming a warrior race like the Zentradei.
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