History Anime / Robotech

25th Dec '15 3:22:41 PM WanderingBrowser
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* BatmanCanBreatheInSpace: Breetai at one point in the '''Macross Saga''' survives being blown out of his ship by clinging onto assorted spiked protrusions and climbing over the hull until he finds a door leading back in, despite lacking any sort of protection. That said, the Zentraedi were engineered to be workers on hostile environments, so a certain level of protection against the vacuum is warranted.
4th Dec '15 2:38:57 PM Willbyr
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* DudeWheresMyRespect: Many Robotech {{Fan Hater}}s don't realise that this show is one of the main reasons why there even ''is'' an anime industry outside of Japan. Quite a few of them are a bit too young to remember when anime (then called Japanimation) was practically unheard of in the USA. Older anime fans remember that the only reason Robotech was created was because of the popularity of StarBlazers, which fused together separate different incarnations of the same series, Space Battleship Yamato, made sizable edits for an American audience, and was one of the first English dubbed anime to broach maturer themes with an emphasis on the story being shown in order. Sound familiar? It's only Robotech that's most well known for it in modern anime fandom.
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* DudeWheresMyRespect: Many Robotech {{Fan Hater}}s don't realise that this show is one of the main reasons why there even ''is'' an anime industry outside of Japan. Quite a few of them are a bit too young to remember when anime (then called Japanimation) was practically unheard of in the USA. Older anime fans remember that the only reason Robotech was created was because of the popularity of StarBlazers, ''Star Blazers'', which fused together separate different incarnations of the same series, Space Battleship Yamato, ''Anime/SpaceBattleshipYamato'', made sizable edits for an American audience, and was one of the first English dubbed anime to broach maturer themes with an emphasis on the story being shown in order. Sound familiar? It's only Robotech that's most well known for it in modern anime fandom.
3rd Dec '15 11:02:21 AM fruitstripegum
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* TheAce: Max Sterling in the ''Macross'' phase -- a subversion in that he is a secondary character yet indisputably the best pilot, and a nice guy to boot whom everyone likes. Roy Fokker, Rick Hunter, Dana Sterling, and Scott Bernard all qualify to a lesser extent as the main characters.

* ATeamFiring: At least in ''The New Generation'', where Scott's Team seems completely incapable of landing a rifle hit on the [[HumongousMecha giant crab mechs]] the Invid like to terrorize the world in. * TheAce: Max Sterling in the ''Macross'' phase -- a subversion in that he is a secondary character yet indisputably the best pilot, and a nice guy to boot whom everyone likes. Roy Fokker, Rick Hunter, Dana Sterling, and Scott Bernard all qualify to a lesser extent as the main characters.

* ATeamFiring: At least in ''The New Generation'', where Scott's Team seems completely incapable of landing a rifle hit on the [[HumongousMecha giant crab mechs]] the Invid like to terrorize the world in. * TheAce: Max Sterling in the ''Macross'' phase -- a subversion in that he is a secondary character yet indisputably the best pilot, and a nice guy to boot whom everyone likes. Roy Fokker, Rick Hunter, Dana Sterling, and Scott Bernard all qualify to a lesser extent as the main characters.in.

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26th Nov '15 4:38:51 PM TheLyniezian
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Meant to be a subpoint, not a new point (oops!) so fixed this.
* The first and most obvious one being the "mystery of the invisible SDF-2". The reason? [[spoiler: In the Masters section there's 3 mounds which in Robotech are supposed to represent the ruins of the SDF-1 and Khyron's ship that crashed into it, inside which is found the Flower of Life which is supposed to be the source of Protoculture. Basically they had to make up the SDF-2 to account for the third mound, and had it that Lisa Hayes was to be its commander. No such ship appears in the original ''Macross'', so we don't see it in the Macross Saga footage.]]
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* ** The first and most obvious one being the "mystery of the invisible SDF-2". The reason? [[spoiler: In the Masters section there's 3 mounds which in Robotech are supposed to represent the ruins of the SDF-1 and Khyron's ship that crashed into it, inside which is found the Flower of Life which is supposed to be the source of Protoculture. Basically they had to make up the SDF-2 to account for the third mound, and had it that Lisa Hayes was to be its commander. No such ship appears in the original ''Macross'', so we don't see it in the Macross Saga footage.]]
26th Nov '15 4:38:04 PM TheLyniezian
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This sounds better as part of the initial point than as a subpoint, which is better reserved for the various examples.
* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. Examples:
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* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. Examples: It is, however, noteworthy that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up. Examples: * The first and most obvious one being the "mystery of the invisible SDF-2". The reason? [[spoiler: In the Masters section there's 3 mounds which in Robotech are supposed to represent the ruins of the SDF-1 and Khyron's ship that crashed into it, inside which is found the Flower of Life which is supposed to be the source of Protoculture. Basically they had to make up the SDF-2 to account for the third mound, and had it that Lisa Hayes was to be its commander. No such ship appears in the original ''Macross'', so we don't see it in the Macross Saga footage.]]

** You may note that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up.
22nd Nov '15 11:50:03 AM zygomian
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* GroinAttack: After falling in love with him, Miriya teaches Max how to cripple a Zentraedi battle pod without killing it: by shooting it in the groin. We always knew that woman was a real ball-buster...
18th Nov '15 5:32:03 PM tenuousbreaker
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* CutAndPasteTranslation: One of the most famous examples.

* DudeWheresMyRespect: Really, don't the {{Fan Hater}}s even realise that this show is one of the main reasons why there even ''is'' an anime industry outside of Japan. ** No, most of them don't. Quite a few of them are a bit too young to remember when anime (then called Japanimation) was practically unheard of in the USA. ** And some of them are older than others and remember that the [[OlderThanYouThink only reason Robotech was created]] was because of the popularity of StarBlazers. ** Even bigger problem is that Harmony Gold chose not to credit any of the character designers, writers, mecha designers, directors or animators. Some ignorant ''{{Anime/Robotech}}'' fans think that Carl Macek single handedly created Robotech although the things that are praised in it are already present in Macross. ** Also, as mentioned above and at other places on this and the YMMV page, Harmony Gold in some ways fostered the situation through their actions.
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* DudeWheresMyRespect: Really, don't the Many Robotech {{Fan Hater}}s even don't realise that this show is one of the main reasons why there even ''is'' an anime industry outside of Japan. ** No, most of them don't. Japan. Quite a few of them are a bit too young to remember when anime (then called Japanimation) was practically unheard of in the USA. ** And some of them are older than others and USA. Older anime fans remember that the [[OlderThanYouThink only reason Robotech was created]] created was because of the popularity of StarBlazers. StarBlazers, which fused together separate different incarnations of the same series, Space Battleship Yamato, made sizable edits for an American audience, and was one of the first English dubbed anime to broach maturer themes with an emphasis on the story being shown in order. Sound familiar? It's only Robotech that's most well known for it in modern anime fandom. ** As mentioned above and at other places on this and the YMMV page, Harmony Gold in some ways fostered the situation through their actions. Even bigger problem is that Harmony Gold chose not to credit any of the character designers, writers, mecha designers, directors or animators. Some ignorant ''{{Anime/Robotech}}'' fans think that Carl Macek single handedly created Robotech although the things that are praised in it are already present in Macross. ** Also, as mentioned above and at other places on this and Macross. They'd also likely get more respect if they'd actually allow for more official Macross series releases. So far, the YMMV page, only Macross series that's had a subbed release under Harmony Gold in some ways fostered is the situation through their actions.original Macross.
14th Nov '15 5:37:07 PM nombretomado
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** Even bigger problem is that Harmony Gold chose not to credit any of the character designers, writers, mecha designers, directors or animators. Some ignorant ''{{Robotech}}'' fans think that Carl Macek single handedly created Robotech although the things that are praised in it are already present in Macross.
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** Even bigger problem is that Harmony Gold chose not to credit any of the character designers, writers, mecha designers, directors or animators. Some ignorant ''{{Robotech}}'' ''{{Anime/Robotech}}'' fans think that Carl Macek single handedly created Robotech although the things that are praised in it are already present in Macross.

* HitAndRunTactics: Partially {{averted}} in Palladium Books' {{Robotech}} {{Tabletop RPG}} 'verse. A machine gun has to do 100 HP of damage (in a single burst, which is all but impossible) to a HumongousMecha before it counts, so people with ordinary weapons can't use this strategy against heavy armor. However, you can use this strategy with land mines vs HumongousMecha or HumongousMecha vs naval or space craft.
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* HitAndRunTactics: Partially {{averted}} in Palladium Books' {{Robotech}} {{Anime/Robotech}} {{Tabletop RPG}} 'verse. A machine gun has to do 100 HP of damage (in a single burst, which is all but impossible) to a HumongousMecha before it counts, so people with ordinary weapons can't use this strategy against heavy armor. However, you can use this strategy with land mines vs HumongousMecha or HumongousMecha vs naval or space craft.
12th Sep '15 7:46:07 PM MiinU
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I deleted the Karma Houdini entry, regarding Rick's treatment of Lisa. Also, Rick did not deliberately stand her up. Minmei called him unexpectedly at the last moment, which caused him to forget about his lunch date with Lisa. By the time he remembered, she'd been stood up and told him off for it, once Lisa realized where he'd been. Sammy also told him off for humilating Lisa on the bridge. And it took Claudia make him realize why Lisa was giving him such a hard time. Simply put, he ranged from an outright jerkass, to being innocently insensitive, but he was hardly a houdini.
** Rick Hunter treats Lisa Hayes very badly at times in '''Macross Saga''', most terribly in episodes like ''Broken Heart'', ''Rainy Night'', ''Private Time'', and ''Seasons Greetings''. And yet, despite degrading her and humiliating her in front of her subordinates, standing her up, being borderline verbally abusive towards her, driving her to become a drunken shell of her former self and causing her to experience suicide inducing levels of angst she still wants him and they finally do hook up in ''To The Stars'' despite all the terrible things he did to her. Although he shows a little regret about this in his internal monologues Rick is never called out for his bad behavior by any of the other characters, yet he still bags Lisa at the end anyway. About the closest he comes to suffering is having Lisa storm off from him in disgust for being stood up by him (so that he could go see Minmei though to be fair he didn't actually want to do that) and later realizing that his dream girl Minmei isn't all she's cracked up to be before he freaks out and goes running through a war zone to find Lisa (which just makes him freak out even more).
9th Sep '15 2:26:49 PM Rjinswand
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* DemotedToSatelliteLoveInterest: {{Invoked}} in the ''Literature/{{Robotech}}'' ExpandedUniverse. Miriya was the greatest Zentraedi female ace, and when she got her HighHeelFaceTurn and [[BestHerToBedHer married Max Sterling]], for the rest of the original series she was his counterpart and got equal screentime with him. Then during the Malcontent Uprisings, the brass made the official decision to turn her into a propaganda piece; "homemaker, mother, ''former'' freedom fighter." Miriya abided by it, but still played an important role in the finale (and returned to badass status during the Sentinels series).
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