History Anime / Robotech

22nd Sep '16 9:51:43 PM SAMAS
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* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: Several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. It is, however, noteworthy that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up. Examples:
** The first and most obvious one being the "mystery of the invisible SDF-2". The reason? [[spoiler: In the Masters section there's 3 mounds which in Robotech are supposed to represent the ruins of the SDF-1 and Khyron's ship that crashed into it, inside which is found the Flower of Life which is supposed to be the source of Protoculture. Basically they had to make up the SDF-2 to account for the third mound, and had it that Lisa Hayes was to be its commander. No such ship appears in the original ''Macross'', so we don't see it in the Macross Saga footage.]]

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* AdaptationInducedPlotHole: Several exist as a result of adapting the source material into a single continuity. It is, however, noteworthy that this generally comes up only in the later two parts of the show. The ''Macross'' section is actually a very faithful adaptation, right up until the very end; it's only when they tried bolting things on to ''Macross'' that the problems began to pile up. The novelizations tried to answer these, with varying degrees of success. Examples:
** The first and most obvious one being the "mystery of the invisible SDF-2". The reason? [[spoiler: In the Masters section there's 3 mounds which in Robotech are supposed to represent the ruins of the SDF-1 and Khyron's ship that crashed into it, inside which is found the Flower of Life which is supposed to be the source of Protoculture. Basically they had to make up the SDF-2 to account for the third mound, and had it that Lisa Hayes was to be its commander. No such ship appears in the original ''Macross'', ''Macross''(yet. An SDF-2 (the ''Megaroad'') would come up later), so we don't see it in the Macross Saga footage.]]
17th Sep '16 7:59:17 AM EDP
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* HalfHumanHybrid: Dana (half-Zentraedi), Ariel (half-Invid) and Rook (half-Zentraedi, [[AllThereInTheManual according to the expanded universe]]).

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* HalfHumanHybrid: Dana (half-Zentraedi), (half-Zentraedi) and Ariel (half-Invid) and (half-Invid). Possibly Rook (half-Zentraedi, [[AllThereInTheManual according (implied in old pre-retcon material to be the expanded universe]]).daughter of RDF pilot Kyle Bartley and Zentraedi female ace Vala Norri).
17th Sep '16 5:46:30 AM EDP
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* HalfHumanHybrid: Dana and Ariel.

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* HalfHumanHybrid: Dana (half-Zentraedi), Ariel (half-Invid) and Ariel.Rook (half-Zentraedi, [[AllThereInTheManual according to the expanded universe]]).
13th Sep '16 3:51:37 PM DelShiftB
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* BatmanCanBreatheInSpace: Breetai at one point in the '''Macross Saga''' survives being blown out of his ship by clinging onto assorted spiked protrusions and climbing over the hull until he finds a door leading back in, despite lacking any sort of protection. That said, the Zentraedi were engineered to be workers on hostile environments, so a certain level of protection against the vacuum is warranted.

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* BatmanCanBreatheInSpace: BatmanCanBreatheInSpace:
** Rick Hunter, while stranded with Minmei during ''The Long Wait'', used an unpressurized flight suit and scarf to try holding his breath for a quick space walk. Additionally, the tuna didn't suffer from any freezer burn.
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Breetai at one point in the '''Macross Saga''' survives being blown out of his ship by clinging onto assorted spiked protrusions and climbing over the hull until he finds a door leading back in, despite lacking any sort of protection. That said, the Zentraedi were engineered to be workers on hostile environments, so a certain level of protection against the vacuum is warranted.
10th Sep '16 9:32:13 AM BatmanKalEl
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* [[spoiler: VillainWithGoodPublicity: T.R. Edwards and ''Anatole Leonard''. Before the Zentraedi they were members of the Anti-Unification League, planning to take over the world and personally involved in a plan that, even if stopped, resulted in the death of thousands and the destruction of the [[WaveMotionGun Southern Grand Cannon]]... And ''nobody ever had any idea''. And while Edwards eventually loses the good publicity, it's for something completely different.]]

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* [[spoiler: VillainWithGoodPublicity: T.[[spoiler:T.R. Edwards and ''Anatole Leonard''. Before the Zentraedi they were members of the Anti-Unification League, planning to take over the world and personally involved in a plan that, even if stopped, resulted in the death of thousands and the destruction of the [[WaveMotionGun Southern Grand Cannon]]... And ''nobody ever had any idea''. And while Edwards eventually loses the good publicity, it's for something completely different.]]
9th Sep '16 11:32:21 PM BatmanKalEl
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* MacrossMissileMassacre: {{Trope Namer}}.

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* PointDefenseless: As impressive as they look while firing, the turrets/mechs on the surface of the SDF-1 don't seem to accomplish anything aside from getting blown up.
** Averted at several points in the novelizations, where the Destroids arrive just in time to relieve the exhausted fighters, including a memorable moment when the ''SDF-1'' Monsters arrive on deck just in time to rip the attacking Zentraedi mecha a new one with their [[BigFreakingGun sixteen inch guns]].
** Played straight, and painfully at that, in the "New Generation" saga, where the Regis' Invid rely ''exclusively'' on mechs and [[RammingAlwaysWorks kamikaze attacks]] yet the final generation of REF ships have an unbelievably low number of point defence turrets, with the ''Garfish''-class light cruisers (their ''most numerous'' capital ship) having none at all. {{Justified}} by the fact the previously encountered Invid belonging to the Regent also fielded gun-armed capital ships and the best way to deal with the Invid's ZergRush is to blow up the carriers before they can launch the mechs, but still has dreadful results (the opening battle of the "New Generation" has the REF Mars Division ''[[CurbStompBattle annihilated in two minutes with a single survivor]]'', who merely survived his plane's crash, and the Battle of Reflex Point at the end sees the whole force of the REF [[DeathOfAThousandCuts slowly losing]] as the Invid start bringing in carriers faster than they can be shot down).

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* PointDefenseless: As impressive as they look while firing, the turrets/mechs on the surface of the SDF-1 don't seem to accomplish anything aside from getting blown up.
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up. Averted at several points in the novelizations, where the Destroids arrive just in time to relieve the exhausted fighters, including a memorable moment when the ''SDF-1'' Monsters arrive on deck just in time to rip the attacking Zentraedi mecha a new one with their [[BigFreakingGun sixteen inch guns]].
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guns]]. Played straight, and painfully at that, in the "New Generation" saga, where the Regis' Invid rely ''exclusively'' on mechs and [[RammingAlwaysWorks kamikaze attacks]] yet the final generation of REF ships have an unbelievably low number of point defence turrets, with the ''Garfish''-class light cruisers (their ''most numerous'' capital ship) having none at all. {{Justified}} by the fact the previously encountered Invid belonging to the Regent also fielded gun-armed capital ships and the best way to deal with the Invid's ZergRush is to blow up the carriers before they can launch the mechs, but still has dreadful results (the opening battle of the "New Generation" has the REF Mars Division ''[[CurbStompBattle annihilated in two minutes with a single survivor]]'', who merely survived his plane's crash, and the Battle of Reflex Point at the end sees the whole force of the REF [[DeathOfAThousandCuts slowly losing]] as the Invid start bringing in carriers faster than they can be shot down).



*** This is also the Regess' own fault: the Invid have installed numerous jamming stations to prevent [[LaResistance the anti-Invid resistance to coordinate with the REF]], thus the people on Earth cannot warn the REF command that these Invid repaired the damage from the Zentraedi bombardment (in fact Lancer and Scott are surprised when they land and find a blooming ecosystem) and aren't completely evil, and any ship that comes close enough to see is attacked and shot down. At least one such stations ends up being destroyed on the REF's request to get some data for the attack on Reflex Point, but by then it's too late.
* PossessionImpliesMastery: Averted in the Macross generation considering that the SDF-1 crew barely understand what the retrofitted ship can or can't do, making each new manuever in combat a desperate shot in the dark.

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*** ** This is also the Regess' own fault: the Invid have installed numerous jamming stations to prevent [[LaResistance the anti-Invid resistance to coordinate with the REF]], thus the people on Earth cannot warn the REF command that these Invid repaired the damage from the Zentraedi bombardment (in fact Lancer and Scott are surprised when they land and find a blooming ecosystem) and aren't completely evil, and any ship that comes close enough to see is attacked and shot down. At least one such stations ends up being destroyed on the REF's request to get some data for the attack on Reflex Point, but by then it's too late.
* PossessionImpliesMastery: PossessionImpliesMastery:
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Averted in the Macross generation considering that the SDF-1 crew barely understand what the retrofitted ship can or can't do, making each new manuever in combat a desperate shot in the dark.



* ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight: Captain Gloval defies the orders from his superiors to take off from the Earth in order to bait the Zenreadi forces away from Earth.
** The Original Zor could count as this as he rebelled against his species corrupt rule and took the last known Protoculture Matrix where he hid it aboard his Battle Fortress known as the SDF-1 that was crewed by a mixture of Tirolians and Zentraedi. Their mission was seeding a mutated strain of the Flower of Life on the worlds of the Local Group. During this time, their expedition came under attack from the now war-like Invid who called for Zor death but not before he sent the SDF-1 on a course for a distant unknown world to hide the Protoculture Matrix.
*** The novelizations avert this by implying that the ''Protoculture itself'' has an independent will and caused Zor to send the ship to Earth, which turns out to be the original source of the Flower of Life as part of a complex, long range plan to free itself of all the entities that were using it for their own ends.
* SecondLove: Lisa Hayes is this for Rick Hunter (and vice versa) - they even make it to the altar in ''Sentinels''.

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* ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight: ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight:
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Captain Gloval defies the orders from his superiors to take off from the Earth in order to bait the Zenreadi forces away from Earth.
** The Original Zor could count as this as he rebelled against his species corrupt rule and took the last known Protoculture Matrix where he hid it aboard his Battle Fortress known as the SDF-1 that was crewed by a mixture of Tirolians and Zentraedi. Their mission was seeding a mutated strain of the Flower of Life on the worlds of the Local Group. During this time, their expedition came under attack from the now war-like Invid who called for Zor death but not before he sent the SDF-1 on a course for a distant unknown world to hide the Protoculture Matrix.
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Matrix. The novelizations avert this by implying that the ''Protoculture itself'' has an independent will and caused Zor to send the ship to Earth, which turns out to be the original source of the Flower of Life as part of a complex, long range plan to free itself of all the entities that were using it for their own ends.
* SecondLove: SecondLove:
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Lisa Hayes is this for Rick Hunter (and vice versa) - they even make it to the altar in ''Sentinels''.



* ShoutOut: The visual references that ''Macross'' made to several other popular anime of the day, as well as to the Macross production staff, are largely left intact. The novels and older comics also incorporate some homages and extra data from the component series, and also include references to several science fiction properties.

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* ShoutOut: ShoutOut:
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The visual references that ''Macross'' made to several other popular anime of the day, as well as to the Macross production staff, are largely left intact. The novels and older comics also incorporate some homages and extra data from the component series, and also include references to several science fiction properties.



* SnapBack: The city inside the SDF-1 is shown to be seriously damaged in many space battles, not to mention ''every time the ship transforms''. It's always fine in the next episode.
** [[{{handwave}} It could be said]] that eventually they would figure out where damage would be and make it easily repairable. This is [[{{Lampshade Hanging}} lampshaded]] in the novels, where the civil engineers were marvelous, able to both synthesize new building materials at an incredible pace, and devised a way of setting up the city in such a way it sustained minimal damage during transformation.
*** The novels particularly have this as a secondary reason for the Zentradi to do a HeelFaceTurn: The humans know how to ''repair'' things, an [[LostTechnology almost magical ability]] from their point of view. This is Lampshaded by the fact that when Breetai's main viewscreen on his ship's bridge is smashed by a veritech flying through it, it is never repaired, simply replaced by another screen with the smashed viewscreen still in place.

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* SnapBack: The city inside the SDF-1 is shown to be seriously damaged in many space battles, not to mention ''every time the ship transforms''. It's always fine in the next episode.
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episode. [[{{handwave}} It could be said]] that eventually they would figure out where damage would be and make it easily repairable. This is [[{{Lampshade Hanging}} lampshaded]] in the novels, where the civil engineers were marvelous, able to both synthesize new building materials at an incredible pace, and devised a way of setting up the city in such a way it sustained minimal damage during transformation.
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transformation. The novels particularly have this as a secondary reason for the Zentradi to do a HeelFaceTurn: The humans know how to ''repair'' things, an [[LostTechnology almost magical ability]] from their point of view. This is Lampshaded by the fact that when Breetai's main viewscreen on his ship's bridge is smashed by a veritech flying through it, it is never repaired, simply replaced by another screen with the smashed viewscreen still in place.



** Not exactly: the Robotech Masters kept the coolest toys for themselves, but the Zentradi were more powerful than them or all the other enemies combined in the series due sheer numbers (see WeHaveReserves); initially the Robotech Masters were scared of the [[TheUnseen Disciples of Zor]], and didn't consider the Invid as more than a nuisance until after various battles against the Southern Cross and the relative losses, plus the scarcity of fuel, made them vulnerable to their own superior numbers. Played straight with the Children of Shadows in WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles: the Invid are truly terrified of them, [[JustifiedTrope with good reasons]].
9th Sep '16 11:25:42 PM BatmanKalEl
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** as "The Masters" is full of such guys, it's only appropriate that the eponimous Robotech Masters join the group. In the latter part of the saga the Masters interrupt offensive operations against Earth to try and deal with the Invid Sensor Nebula before it can detect the presence of the Flower of Life and thus summon the Invid... And then often wonder ''why'' the Southern Cross starts launching continuous offensives against their fleet in spite of the Masters' technological superiority translating in superior firepower and robust DeflectorShields that always cause ''heavy'' losses to the Southern Cross. They also imprison Allegra and Octavia for Musica's defection... But as they are triumviroids, that is ''a trio of clones based on the same genetic matrix and raised to think and act as one'', it's only natural they expect the other two to try and defect at the first chance (as they in fact later tried to do) or otherwise do something dangerous now that their sister has started thinking on her own and isn't there to balance them anymore, and strangely generous on their part to not just execute them on the spot;

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** as As "The Masters" is full of such guys, it's only appropriate that the eponimous Robotech Masters join the group. In the latter part of the saga the Masters interrupt offensive operations against Earth to try and deal with the Invid Sensor Nebula before it can detect the presence of the Flower of Life and thus summon the Invid... And then often wonder ''why'' the Southern Cross starts launching continuous offensives against their fleet in spite of the Masters' technological superiority translating in superior firepower and robust DeflectorShields that always cause ''heavy'' losses to the Southern Cross. They also imprison Allegra and Octavia for Musica's defection... But as they are triumviroids, that is ''a trio of clones based on the same genetic matrix and raised to think and act as one'', it's only natural they expect the other two to try and defect at the first chance (as they in fact later tried to do) or otherwise do something dangerous now that their sister has started thinking on her own and isn't there to balance them anymore, and strangely generous on their part to not just execute them on the spot;
9th Sep '16 11:24:37 PM BatmanKalEl
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* IsThisThingStillOn: In Khyron's first appearance, a subordinate says that his fleet collided with four friendly ships and that the subordinate had won a bet. While Breetai is still watching them.

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* IsThisThingStillOn: IsThisThingStillOn:
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In Khyron's first appearance, a subordinate says that his fleet collided with four friendly ships and that the subordinate had won a bet. While Breetai is still watching them.
9th Sep '16 11:23:51 PM BatmanKalEl
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* {{Foreshadowing}}

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9th Sep '16 11:21:43 PM BatmanKalEl
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* CaptainCrash: Rick gets his Veritech trashed a lot....
** This is lampshaded in the episode ''Phantasm'', in which Rick dreams he crashed while trying to fly a bike.

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* CaptainCrash: Rick gets his Veritech trashed a lot....
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''a lot''. This is lampshaded in the episode ''Phantasm'', in which Rick dreams he crashed while trying to fly a bike.
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