History Analysis / Nickelodeon

30th Dec '17 2:48:36 PM nombretomado
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Jade's relationship with Beck is the most popular ship on Series/{{Victorious}}. For a general idea of the popularity, on FanfictionDotNet, the Beck/Jade pairing on it's own has roughly as many stories as every other heterosexual ship on the show combined. It's as popular as Andre/Tori, Andre/Jade, Andre/Cat, Andre/Trina, Beck/Tori, Beck/Cat, Beck/Trina, Robbie/Cat, Robbie/Tori, Robbie/Jade and Robbie/Trina combined. The ShipMates fleet of Beck/Jade, Tori/Andre and Robbie/Cat are the 1st, 3rd and 4th most popular pairings. Beck/Jade is 30% of the total with any story involving Jade by herself or with any other partner is just over 50% of all stories. Jade is as popular as every other character on the show combined.

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Jade's relationship with Beck is the most popular ship on Series/{{Victorious}}. For a general idea of the popularity, on FanfictionDotNet, Website/FanFictionDotNet, the Beck/Jade pairing on it's own has roughly as many stories as every other heterosexual ship on the show combined. It's as popular as Andre/Tori, Andre/Jade, Andre/Cat, Andre/Trina, Beck/Tori, Beck/Cat, Beck/Trina, Robbie/Cat, Robbie/Tori, Robbie/Jade and Robbie/Trina combined. The ShipMates fleet of Beck/Jade, Tori/Andre and Robbie/Cat are the 1st, 3rd and 4th most popular pairings. Beck/Jade is 30% of the total with any story involving Jade by herself or with any other partner is just over 50% of all stories. Jade is as popular as every other character on the show combined.
7th Nov '17 4:17:25 PM Malady
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This isn't to say that BelligerentSexualTension is the only relationship type that works on Nick, and that {{Jerkass}} characters are always the most popular ones. There are several shows where the opposing type JustFriends relationship was popular and became canon. Series/AustinAndAlly, WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom/Sam, Ned/Moze, TrueJackson/Jimmy and TheTroop all had couples that weren't BelligerentSexualTension.

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This isn't to say that BelligerentSexualTension is the only relationship type that works on Nick, and that {{Jerkass}} characters are always the most popular ones. There are several shows where the opposing type JustFriends relationship was popular and became canon. Series/AustinAndAlly, WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom/Sam, Ned/Moze, TrueJackson/Jimmy Series/TrueJackson/Jimmy and TheTroop Series/TheTroop all had couples that weren't BelligerentSexualTension.
16th Oct '16 1:59:59 PM Monolaf317
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Helga, Sam and Jade repeatedly have their FreudianExcuses played out on screen. Pam Puckett shows up in an episode after dozens of references to her bad parenting. Sam's father is eventually mentioned as having left and never coming back. Jade's father disapproves of Jade's career choice. Helga's mother is basically an alcoholic and her father treats her like crap. If these characters were the AlphaBitch, then people would consider their FreudianExcuse as a cheap attempt to give the AlphaBitch some depth and it would eventually be rejected once the AlphaBitch goes back to being the AlphaBitch. In the case of main characters, a FreudianExcuse is an example of ProtagonistCentredMorality and gives more depth and excuses for the fandom to latch on to. Even if a main character goes back to being a JerkAss, the FreudianExcuse along with 'hidden feelings' will absolve them of responsibility.

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Helga, Sam and Jade repeatedly have their FreudianExcuses {{Freudian Excuse}}s played out on screen. Pam Puckett shows up in an episode after dozens of references to her bad parenting. Sam's father is eventually mentioned as having left and never coming back. Jade's father disapproves of Jade's career choice. Helga's mother is basically an alcoholic and her father treats her like crap. If these characters were the AlphaBitch, then people would consider their FreudianExcuse as a cheap attempt to give the AlphaBitch some depth and it would eventually be rejected once the AlphaBitch goes back to being the AlphaBitch. In the case of main characters, a FreudianExcuse is an example of ProtagonistCentredMorality and gives more depth and excuses for the fandom to latch on to. Even if a main character goes back to being a JerkAss, the FreudianExcuse along with 'hidden feelings' will absolve them of responsibility.



If you put a {{Jerkass}} in the main cast of a Nickelodeon show and follow that by adding an appropriate target to ship them with, then the fandom will likely instantly make the {{Jerkass}} a DracoInLeatherPants and want a BelligerentSexualTension canon pairing between the {{Jerkass}} and the target by the time the show ends. Any other type of pairing will be a BetaCouple at best or suffer DieForOurShip at worst. And woe betide if you create a LoveTriangle and do not go the way of the BelligerentSexualTension pairing.

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If you put a {{Jerkass}} in the main cast of a Nickelodeon show and follow that by adding an appropriate target to ship them with, then the fandom will likely instantly make the {{Jerkass}} a DracoInLeatherPants and want a BelligerentSexualTension canon pairing between the {{Jerkass}} and the target by the time the show ends. Any other type of pairing will be a BetaCouple at best or suffer DieForOurShip at worst. And woe betide if you create a LoveTriangle and do not go the way of the BelligerentSexualTension pairing.pairing.
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26th Jul '16 3:50:45 PM Anddrix
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When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' and ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on Series/{{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?

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When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] by aspects of the ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' and ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on Series/{{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?
3rd May '16 1:07:10 PM TVRulezAgain
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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} [[Series/{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.



Megan is a sister to ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'', but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.

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Megan is a sister to ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'', but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} Series/{{Victorious}} from the pilot.



[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[Series/{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of Series/{{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.

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[[{{Victorious}} [[Series/{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[Series/{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of Series/{{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.



Jade's relationship with Beck is the most popular ship on {{Victorious}}. For a general idea of the popularity, on FanfictionDotNet, the Beck/Jade pairing on it's own has roughly as many stories as every other heterosexual ship on the show combined. It's as popular as Andre/Tori, Andre/Jade, Andre/Cat, Andre/Trina, Beck/Tori, Beck/Cat, Beck/Trina, Robbie/Cat, Robbie/Tori, Robbie/Jade and Robbie/Trina combined. The ShipMates fleet of Beck/Jade, Tori/Andre and Robbie/Cat are the 1st, 3rd and 4th most popular pairings. Beck/Jade is 30% of the total with any story involving Jade by herself or with any other partner is just over 50% of all stories. Jade is as popular as every other character on the show combined.

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Jade's relationship with Beck is the most popular ship on {{Victorious}}.Series/{{Victorious}}. For a general idea of the popularity, on FanfictionDotNet, the Beck/Jade pairing on it's own has roughly as many stories as every other heterosexual ship on the show combined. It's as popular as Andre/Tori, Andre/Jade, Andre/Cat, Andre/Trina, Beck/Tori, Beck/Cat, Beck/Trina, Robbie/Cat, Robbie/Tori, Robbie/Jade and Robbie/Trina combined. The ShipMates fleet of Beck/Jade, Tori/Andre and Robbie/Cat are the 1st, 3rd and 4th most popular pairings. Beck/Jade is 30% of the total with any story involving Jade by herself or with any other partner is just over 50% of all stories. Jade is as popular as every other character on the show combined.
1st Apr '16 4:30:15 PM nombretomado
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!! Why does the Nick fandom ignore and absolve JerkSue, AlphaBitch, and DracoInLeatherPants characters while GirlNextDoor characters and [[DrakeAndJosh Megan]] receive hate? Why are BelligerentSexualTension pairings involving {{Jerkass}} characters popular?

In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

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!! Why does the Nick fandom ignore and absolve JerkSue, AlphaBitch, and DracoInLeatherPants characters while GirlNextDoor characters and [[DrakeAndJosh [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan]] receive hate? Why are BelligerentSexualTension pairings involving {{Jerkass}} characters popular?

In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.



Megan is a sister to DrakeAndJosh. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with WizardsOfWaverlyPlace, but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.

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Megan is a sister to DrakeAndJosh. ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with WizardsOfWaverlyPlace, ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'', but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.



These three shows aren't the only example of this. Zuko/Katara on ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' is another example of a fandom which supported their BelligerentSexualTension relationship. JimmyNeutron and Cindy are another example. ''DrakeAndJosh'' had Josh/Mindy.

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These three shows aren't the only example of this. Zuko/Katara on ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' is another example of a fandom which supported their BelligerentSexualTension relationship. JimmyNeutron and Cindy are another example. ''DrakeAndJosh'' ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' had Josh/Mindy.
19th Mar '16 2:50:11 AM Hossmeister
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17th Feb '16 2:23:25 AM Adept
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This isn't to say that BelligerentSexualTension is the only relationship type that works on Nick, and that {{Jerkass}} characters are always the most popular ones. There are several shows where the opposing type JustFriends relationship was popular and became canon. AustinAndAlly, WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom/Sam, Ned/Moze, TrueJackson/Jimmy and TheTroop all had couples that weren't BelligerentSexualTension.

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This isn't to say that BelligerentSexualTension is the only relationship type that works on Nick, and that {{Jerkass}} characters are always the most popular ones. There are several shows where the opposing type JustFriends relationship was popular and became canon. AustinAndAlly, Series/AustinAndAlly, WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom/Sam, Ned/Moze, TrueJackson/Jimmy and TheTroop all had couples that weren't BelligerentSexualTension.
27th May '15 6:57:06 PM nombretomado
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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''{{iCarly}}'' and ''{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on {{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?

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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[{{iCarly}} [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[DrakeAndJosh [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[{{iCarly}} [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''{{iCarly}}'' ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' and ''{{Victorious}}'' ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on {{iCarly}}, Series/{{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?



[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of {{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.

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[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[{{iCarly}} [[Series/{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of {{Victorious}}.Series/{{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.



The hidden feelings give the bad behaviors a 'subtext' that the fandom can cling to. Helga and Sam's actions can be interpreted as SlapSlapKiss romantic despite being incredibly violent or emasculating in certain episodes. Jade is often emotionally abusive and repeatedly attempts to sabotage Tori or keep Tori away from Beck. On the other hand Megan's actions can't be romantic. She's just a mean little girl. Megan has no 'hidden feelings' or 'SlapSlapKiss' subtext for people to use as a justification for her actions. Even though every show is a comedy, no-one uses the 'it's a comedy' defense for Megan, but will regularly trot this out for the other characters, Sam in particular due to ''{{iCarly}}'' being Live Action which requires more SuspensionOfDisbelief when she throws Freddie out of a treehouse after giving him a harsh beating with a tennis racket because his opinion didn't match her more popular one. If a {{Jerkass}} does something that would be a KickTheDog moment, it needs a reason. A shipper will point out 'hidden feelings' and move on.

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The hidden feelings give the bad behaviors a 'subtext' that the fandom can cling to. Helga and Sam's actions can be interpreted as SlapSlapKiss romantic despite being incredibly violent or emasculating in certain episodes. Jade is often emotionally abusive and repeatedly attempts to sabotage Tori or keep Tori away from Beck. On the other hand Megan's actions can't be romantic. She's just a mean little girl. Megan has no 'hidden feelings' or 'SlapSlapKiss' subtext for people to use as a justification for her actions. Even though every show is a comedy, no-one uses the 'it's a comedy' defense for Megan, but will regularly trot this out for the other characters, Sam in particular due to ''{{iCarly}}'' ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' being Live Action which requires more SuspensionOfDisbelief when she throws Freddie out of a treehouse after giving him a harsh beating with a tennis racket because his opinion didn't match her more popular one. If a {{Jerkass}} does something that would be a KickTheDog moment, it needs a reason. A shipper will point out 'hidden feelings' and move on.
11th Mar '15 11:12:41 AM TVRulezAgain
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On {{Victorious}} there is also the RealitySubtext of the singing aspect of the show. VictoriaJustice might be the star of the show, but she is not as talented (although still very good) in singing ability to both Music/ArianaGrande and LizGillies who have already had long careers in professional musical theatre. Victoria isn't worse by much, but it's enough that the some fans of Ariana and Liz both dislike when Victoria (through Tori) is given the vast majority of songs to sing on the show.

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On {{Victorious}} Series/{{Victorious}} there is also the RealitySubtext of the singing aspect of the show. VictoriaJustice Music/VictoriaJustice might be the star of the show, but she is not as talented (although still very good) in singing ability to both Music/ArianaGrande and LizGillies Creator/LizGillies who have already had long careers in professional musical theatre. Victoria isn't worse by much, but it's enough that the some fans of Ariana and Liz both dislike when Victoria (through Tori) is given the vast majority of songs to sing on the show.
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