History Analysis / Nickelodeon

16th Oct '16 1:59:59 PM Monolaf317
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Helga, Sam and Jade repeatedly have their FreudianExcuses played out on screen. Pam Puckett shows up in an episode after dozens of references to her bad parenting. Sam's father is eventually mentioned as having left and never coming back. Jade's father disapproves of Jade's career choice. Helga's mother is basically an alcoholic and her father treats her like crap. If these characters were the AlphaBitch, then people would consider their FreudianExcuse as a cheap attempt to give the AlphaBitch some depth and it would eventually be rejected once the AlphaBitch goes back to being the AlphaBitch. In the case of main characters, a FreudianExcuse is an example of ProtagonistCentredMorality and gives more depth and excuses for the fandom to latch on to. Even if a main character goes back to being a JerkAss, the FreudianExcuse along with 'hidden feelings' will absolve them of responsibility.

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Helga, Sam and Jade repeatedly have their FreudianExcuses {{Freudian Excuse}}s played out on screen. Pam Puckett shows up in an episode after dozens of references to her bad parenting. Sam's father is eventually mentioned as having left and never coming back. Jade's father disapproves of Jade's career choice. Helga's mother is basically an alcoholic and her father treats her like crap. If these characters were the AlphaBitch, then people would consider their FreudianExcuse as a cheap attempt to give the AlphaBitch some depth and it would eventually be rejected once the AlphaBitch goes back to being the AlphaBitch. In the case of main characters, a FreudianExcuse is an example of ProtagonistCentredMorality and gives more depth and excuses for the fandom to latch on to. Even if a main character goes back to being a JerkAss, the FreudianExcuse along with 'hidden feelings' will absolve them of responsibility.



If you put a {{Jerkass}} in the main cast of a Nickelodeon show and follow that by adding an appropriate target to ship them with, then the fandom will likely instantly make the {{Jerkass}} a DracoInLeatherPants and want a BelligerentSexualTension canon pairing between the {{Jerkass}} and the target by the time the show ends. Any other type of pairing will be a BetaCouple at best or suffer DieForOurShip at worst. And woe betide if you create a LoveTriangle and do not go the way of the BelligerentSexualTension pairing.

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If you put a {{Jerkass}} in the main cast of a Nickelodeon show and follow that by adding an appropriate target to ship them with, then the fandom will likely instantly make the {{Jerkass}} a DracoInLeatherPants and want a BelligerentSexualTension canon pairing between the {{Jerkass}} and the target by the time the show ends. Any other type of pairing will be a BetaCouple at best or suffer DieForOurShip at worst. And woe betide if you create a LoveTriangle and do not go the way of the BelligerentSexualTension pairing.pairing.
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26th Jul '16 3:50:45 PM Anddrix
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When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' and ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on Series/{{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?

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When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] by aspects of the ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' and ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on Series/{{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?
3rd May '16 1:07:10 PM TVRulezAgain
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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} [[Series/{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.



Megan is a sister to ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'', but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.

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Megan is a sister to ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'', but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} Series/{{Victorious}} from the pilot.



[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[Series/{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of Series/{{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.

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[[{{Victorious}} [[Series/{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[Series/{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of Series/{{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.



Jade's relationship with Beck is the most popular ship on {{Victorious}}. For a general idea of the popularity, on FanfictionDotNet, the Beck/Jade pairing on it's own has roughly as many stories as every other heterosexual ship on the show combined. It's as popular as Andre/Tori, Andre/Jade, Andre/Cat, Andre/Trina, Beck/Tori, Beck/Cat, Beck/Trina, Robbie/Cat, Robbie/Tori, Robbie/Jade and Robbie/Trina combined. The ShipMates fleet of Beck/Jade, Tori/Andre and Robbie/Cat are the 1st, 3rd and 4th most popular pairings. Beck/Jade is 30% of the total with any story involving Jade by herself or with any other partner is just over 50% of all stories. Jade is as popular as every other character on the show combined.

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Jade's relationship with Beck is the most popular ship on {{Victorious}}.Series/{{Victorious}}. For a general idea of the popularity, on FanfictionDotNet, the Beck/Jade pairing on it's own has roughly as many stories as every other heterosexual ship on the show combined. It's as popular as Andre/Tori, Andre/Jade, Andre/Cat, Andre/Trina, Beck/Tori, Beck/Cat, Beck/Trina, Robbie/Cat, Robbie/Tori, Robbie/Jade and Robbie/Trina combined. The ShipMates fleet of Beck/Jade, Tori/Andre and Robbie/Cat are the 1st, 3rd and 4th most popular pairings. Beck/Jade is 30% of the total with any story involving Jade by herself or with any other partner is just over 50% of all stories. Jade is as popular as every other character on the show combined.
1st Apr '16 4:30:15 PM nombretomado
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!! Why does the Nick fandom ignore and absolve JerkSue, AlphaBitch, and DracoInLeatherPants characters while GirlNextDoor characters and [[DrakeAndJosh Megan]] receive hate? Why are BelligerentSexualTension pairings involving {{Jerkass}} characters popular?

In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

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!! Why does the Nick fandom ignore and absolve JerkSue, AlphaBitch, and DracoInLeatherPants characters while GirlNextDoor characters and [[DrakeAndJosh [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan]] receive hate? Why are BelligerentSexualTension pairings involving {{Jerkass}} characters popular?

In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold [[WesternAnimation/HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} [[Series/{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.



Megan is a sister to DrakeAndJosh. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with WizardsOfWaverlyPlace, but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.

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Megan is a sister to DrakeAndJosh. ''Series/DrakeAndJosh''. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with WizardsOfWaverlyPlace, ''Series/WizardsOfWaverlyPlace'', but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.



These three shows aren't the only example of this. Zuko/Katara on ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' is another example of a fandom which supported their BelligerentSexualTension relationship. JimmyNeutron and Cindy are another example. ''DrakeAndJosh'' had Josh/Mindy.

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These three shows aren't the only example of this. Zuko/Katara on ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' is another example of a fandom which supported their BelligerentSexualTension relationship. JimmyNeutron and Cindy are another example. ''DrakeAndJosh'' ''Series/DrakeAndJosh'' had Josh/Mindy.
19th Mar '16 2:50:11 AM Hossmeister
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17th Feb '16 2:23:25 AM Adept
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This isn't to say that BelligerentSexualTension is the only relationship type that works on Nick, and that {{Jerkass}} characters are always the most popular ones. There are several shows where the opposing type JustFriends relationship was popular and became canon. AustinAndAlly, WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom/Sam, Ned/Moze, TrueJackson/Jimmy and TheTroop all had couples that weren't BelligerentSexualTension.

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This isn't to say that BelligerentSexualTension is the only relationship type that works on Nick, and that {{Jerkass}} characters are always the most popular ones. There are several shows where the opposing type JustFriends relationship was popular and became canon. AustinAndAlly, Series/AustinAndAlly, WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom/Sam, Ned/Moze, TrueJackson/Jimmy and TheTroop all had couples that weren't BelligerentSexualTension.
27th May '15 6:57:06 PM nombretomado
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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''{{iCarly}}'' and ''{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on {{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?

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In the Nick fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[{{iCarly}} [[Series/{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[DrakeAndJosh [[Series/DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[{{iCarly}} [[Series/{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''{{iCarly}}'' ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' and ''{{Victorious}}'' ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on {{iCarly}}, Series/{{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?



[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of {{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.

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[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[{{iCarly}} [[Series/{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of {{Victorious}}.Series/{{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.



The hidden feelings give the bad behaviors a 'subtext' that the fandom can cling to. Helga and Sam's actions can be interpreted as SlapSlapKiss romantic despite being incredibly violent or emasculating in certain episodes. Jade is often emotionally abusive and repeatedly attempts to sabotage Tori or keep Tori away from Beck. On the other hand Megan's actions can't be romantic. She's just a mean little girl. Megan has no 'hidden feelings' or 'SlapSlapKiss' subtext for people to use as a justification for her actions. Even though every show is a comedy, no-one uses the 'it's a comedy' defense for Megan, but will regularly trot this out for the other characters, Sam in particular due to ''{{iCarly}}'' being Live Action which requires more SuspensionOfDisbelief when she throws Freddie out of a treehouse after giving him a harsh beating with a tennis racket because his opinion didn't match her more popular one. If a {{Jerkass}} does something that would be a KickTheDog moment, it needs a reason. A shipper will point out 'hidden feelings' and move on.

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The hidden feelings give the bad behaviors a 'subtext' that the fandom can cling to. Helga and Sam's actions can be interpreted as SlapSlapKiss romantic despite being incredibly violent or emasculating in certain episodes. Jade is often emotionally abusive and repeatedly attempts to sabotage Tori or keep Tori away from Beck. On the other hand Megan's actions can't be romantic. She's just a mean little girl. Megan has no 'hidden feelings' or 'SlapSlapKiss' subtext for people to use as a justification for her actions. Even though every show is a comedy, no-one uses the 'it's a comedy' defense for Megan, but will regularly trot this out for the other characters, Sam in particular due to ''{{iCarly}}'' ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' being Live Action which requires more SuspensionOfDisbelief when she throws Freddie out of a treehouse after giving him a harsh beating with a tennis racket because his opinion didn't match her more popular one. If a {{Jerkass}} does something that would be a KickTheDog moment, it needs a reason. A shipper will point out 'hidden feelings' and move on.
11th Mar '15 11:12:41 AM TVRulezAgain
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On {{Victorious}} there is also the RealitySubtext of the singing aspect of the show. VictoriaJustice might be the star of the show, but she is not as talented (although still very good) in singing ability to both Music/ArianaGrande and LizGillies who have already had long careers in professional musical theatre. Victoria isn't worse by much, but it's enough that the some fans of Ariana and Liz both dislike when Victoria (through Tori) is given the vast majority of songs to sing on the show.

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On {{Victorious}} Series/{{Victorious}} there is also the RealitySubtext of the singing aspect of the show. VictoriaJustice Music/VictoriaJustice might be the star of the show, but she is not as talented (although still very good) in singing ability to both Music/ArianaGrande and LizGillies Creator/LizGillies who have already had long careers in professional musical theatre. Victoria isn't worse by much, but it's enough that the some fans of Ariana and Liz both dislike when Victoria (through Tori) is given the vast majority of songs to sing on the show.
4th Jan '15 7:25:18 AM PrincessGwen
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In the Nick fandom JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behaviour by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.

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In the Nick fandom fandom, JerkSue and DracoInLeatherPants characters such as [[{{iCarly}} Sam Puckett]], [[HeyArnold Helga Pataki]] and [[{{Victorious}} Jade West]] are far more popular and 'get away' with their {{Jerkass}} or JerkSue behaviour behavior by not being called out on it in the fandom while [[DrakeAndJosh Megan Parker]], [[{{Victorious}} Tori Vega]] and [[{{iCarly}} Carly Shay]] have been hated as the CreatorsPet or TheScrappy.
4th Jan '15 7:24:40 AM PrincessGwen
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When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defence for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''{{iCarly}}'' and ''{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on {{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?

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When you think about it, it seems unusual. Megan played pranks on her brothers. Sure, some were over the top, but it's around the same level as Sam's physical attacks on Freddie. Helga was incredibly mean to people. Fandom often uses the excuse that "it's just a comedy" all the time for Sam and Helga, but this never comes up as a defence defense for Megan. Megan suffers hate for doing stuff that's pretty much equivalent to things Helga and Sam have done. Both Tori and Carly are [[BaseBreaker hated by]] aspects of the ''{{iCarly}}'' and ''{{Victorious}}'' fandoms, they both suffer accusations of "boring!" while Sam takes over as a one-woman SpotlightStealingSquad on {{iCarly}}, with her 5 episode Sam/Seddie-centric arc without any major fandom complaint as the fandom is dominated by Sam/Freddie shippers. Why is it so?



Megan is a sister to DrakeAndJosh. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with WizardsOfWaverlyPlace, but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be paedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.

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Megan is a sister to DrakeAndJosh. Now that alone isn't enough to kill a {{Shipping}} pairing as we have seen with WizardsOfWaverlyPlace, but the killing blow is her age. She's simply far too young for any pairing. It would be paedophilia pedophilia and filled with {{Squick}}. Sam on the other hand is the same age as Freddie and not related to him. Helga and Arnold have the same age similarity. Jade has an canon pairing on {{Victorious}} from the pilot.



These hidden feelings, even if they have no canon foundation initially, allow 'subtext' which gives fandom the excuse to absolve them of responsibility for their various beatings and emotional attacks. When subsequently feelings are revealed it is an absolution of that defence. TheEndJustifiesTheMeans. A crushing DownerEnding by being rejected for their horrible behaviour in the past is unlikely, so the romantic 'target' will at the very least forgive them, or will hook up with them and forget their actions caused actual hurt and pain. Arnold was meant to end up with Helga. Sam and Freddie were in the process of a romantic arc together which had no indication of even ''discussing'' Sam's previous behaviour, and also has completely and utterly ignored four seasons of development between the JustFriends romance of Carly and Freddie. They broke up in the 5th episode of the arc because they had literally nothing in common and when they tried to do things together that didn't involve making out (like going on dates, visiting family, or tagging along with each other's hobbies) their relationship broke down completely and self-destructed to the point it could only ever be a physical and non-emotional relationship if it could last.

[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticise her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of {{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behaviour for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.

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These hidden feelings, even if they have no canon foundation initially, allow 'subtext' which gives fandom the excuse to absolve them of responsibility for their various beatings and emotional attacks. When subsequently feelings are revealed it is an absolution of that defence. TheEndJustifiesTheMeans. A crushing DownerEnding by being rejected for their horrible behaviour in the past is unlikely, so the romantic 'target' will at the very least forgive them, or will hook up with them and forget their actions caused actual hurt and pain. Arnold was meant to end up with Helga. Sam and Freddie were in the process of a romantic arc together which had no indication of even ''discussing'' Sam's previous behaviour, behavior, and also has completely and utterly ignored four seasons of development between the JustFriends romance of Carly and Freddie. They broke up in the 5th episode of the arc because they had literally nothing in common and when they tried to do things together that didn't involve making out (like going on dates, visiting family, or tagging along with each other's hobbies) their relationship broke down completely and self-destructed to the point it could only ever be a physical and non-emotional relationship if it could last.

[[{{Victorious}} Trina Vega]] is self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing, ungrateful with an overblown belief in herself to the point of ignoring criticisim and often attacking those who do criticise criticize her. She is a massive {{Jerkass}}. But there are many who [[TheScrappy hate her]]. Why? She's Tori's older sister. She's the [[{{iCarly}} Spencer]] of {{Victorious}}. Despite only being a year or two older at the most, she's outside the core group. The fandom excludes her from the shipping that goes on between the core 6 member cast. As there's no-one to ship her with, there's no reason to see her as having any depth at all. There's no 'hidden feelings' that the fandom will interpret and excuse her behaviour behavior for. So Trina is thrown into the same pot as Megan. Spoilt. Brat.



The hidden feelings give the bad behaviours a 'subtext' that the fandom can cling to. Helga and Sam's actions can be interpreted as SlapSlapKiss romantic despite being incredibly violent or emasculating in certain episodes. Jade is often emotionally abusive and repeatedly attempts to sabotage Tori or keep Tori away from Beck. On the other hand Megan's actions can't be romantic. She's just a mean little girl. Megan has no 'hidden feelings' or 'SlapSlapKiss' subtext for people to use as a justification for her actions. Even though every show is a comedy, no-one uses the 'it's a comedy' defence for Megan, but will regularly trot this out for the other characters, Sam in particular due to ''{{iCarly}}'' being Live Action which requires more SuspensionOfDisbelief when she throws Freddie out of a treehouse after giving him a harsh beating with a tennis racket because his opinion didn't match her more popular one. If a {{Jerkass}} does something that would be a KickTheDog moment, it needs a reason. A shipper will point out 'hidden feelings' and move on.

There's also FreudianExcuse at play. Sam has an absent father and a mother who was given a HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood background with her mother Pam which fandom sees as AbusiveParents subtext, there is also Melanie who shows up as a different FreudianExcuse (ParentalFavoritism) for Sam. Helga has actual AbusiveParents and Olga who fills the same role for Helga that Melanie does for Sam. Megan has two parents, even if one of them is a step-parent, who both love her. Carly has a loving brother, and Freddie as a JustFriends BoyNextDoor as a shoulder to cry on. Despite having a dead or absent mother and a long-term deployed military father, Carly never uses this FreudianExcuse and if it was people would say she was a whining brat and she should be grateful compared to Sam's 'harsh' life. Tori has her original parents, they are well adjusted and supportive, and her sister is less talented than her, making Tori the one who ''gains'' from ParentalFavoritism.

Helga, Sam and Jade repeatedly have their FreudianExcuse's played out on screen. Pam Puckett shows up in an episode after dozens of references to her bad parenting. Sam's father is eventually mentioned as having left and never coming back. Jade's father disapproves of Jade's career choice. Helga's mother is basically an alcoholic and her father treats her like crap. If these characters were the AlphaBitch, then people would consider their FreudianExcuse as a cheap attempt to give the AlphaBitch some depth and it would eventually be rejected once the AlphaBitch goes back to being the AlphaBitch. In the case of main characters, a FreudianExcuse is an example of ProtagonistCentredMorality and gives more depth and excuses for the fandom to latch on to. Even if a main character goes back to being a JerkAss, the FreudianExcuse along with 'hidden feelings' will absolve them of responsibility.

There is an existing canon relationship on the show between Jade and Beck. Tori comes in and in her first episode, makes it clear that she likes Beck and eventually kisses him. [[NeverLiveItDown This does not go down well in the fandom]]. People do not want her to end up with Beck. They do not want Jade and Beck to break up. And so Jade gets absolved of her misbehaviour which is mostly aimed at Tori. They want to protect the Jade/Beck pairing and so they latch onto negative aspects of Tori's behaviour which leads to her suffering DieForOurShip while Jade becomes a DracoInLeatherPants.

One odd thing to note is that if Beck and Jade had swapped personalities, then a Beck/Tori pairing would be a run-away FanPreferredCouple for the same reasons that Sam/Freddie and Helga/Arnold are popular. Jade would be the Sam or Helga, and Tori would be the Freddie or Arnold. Just like Megan's age and family status kills the chance for a canon pairing with her, the fact that [[LesYayShipping Jade and Tori are both girls]] kills the chance for a canon pairing there.

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The hidden feelings give the bad behaviours behaviors a 'subtext' that the fandom can cling to. Helga and Sam's actions can be interpreted as SlapSlapKiss romantic despite being incredibly violent or emasculating in certain episodes. Jade is often emotionally abusive and repeatedly attempts to sabotage Tori or keep Tori away from Beck. On the other hand Megan's actions can't be romantic. She's just a mean little girl. Megan has no 'hidden feelings' or 'SlapSlapKiss' subtext for people to use as a justification for her actions. Even though every show is a comedy, no-one uses the 'it's a comedy' defence defense for Megan, but will regularly trot this out for the other characters, Sam in particular due to ''{{iCarly}}'' being Live Action which requires more SuspensionOfDisbelief when she throws Freddie out of a treehouse after giving him a harsh beating with a tennis racket because his opinion didn't match her more popular one. If a {{Jerkass}} does something that would be a KickTheDog moment, it needs a reason. A shipper will point out 'hidden feelings' and move on.

There's also FreudianExcuse at play. Sam has an absent father and a mother who was given a HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood background with her mother Pam which fandom sees as AbusiveParents subtext, there is also Melanie who shows up as a different FreudianExcuse (ParentalFavoritism) for Sam. Helga has actual AbusiveParents and Olga who fills the same role for Helga that Melanie does for Sam. Megan has two parents, even if one of them is a step-parent, who both love her. Carly has a loving brother, and Freddie as a JustFriends BoyNextDoor as a shoulder to cry on. Despite having a dead or absent mother and a long-term deployed military father, Carly never uses this FreudianExcuse and if it was was, people would say she was a whining brat and she should be grateful compared to Sam's 'harsh' life. Tori has her original parents, they are well adjusted and supportive, and her sister is less talented than her, making Tori the one who ''gains'' from ParentalFavoritism.

Helga, Sam and Jade repeatedly have their FreudianExcuse's FreudianExcuses played out on screen. Pam Puckett shows up in an episode after dozens of references to her bad parenting. Sam's father is eventually mentioned as having left and never coming back. Jade's father disapproves of Jade's career choice. Helga's mother is basically an alcoholic and her father treats her like crap. If these characters were the AlphaBitch, then people would consider their FreudianExcuse as a cheap attempt to give the AlphaBitch some depth and it would eventually be rejected once the AlphaBitch goes back to being the AlphaBitch. In the case of main characters, a FreudianExcuse is an example of ProtagonistCentredMorality and gives more depth and excuses for the fandom to latch on to. Even if a main character goes back to being a JerkAss, the FreudianExcuse along with 'hidden feelings' will absolve them of responsibility.

There is an existing canon relationship on the show between Jade and Beck. Tori comes in and in her first episode, makes it clear that she likes Beck and eventually kisses him. [[NeverLiveItDown This does not go down well in the fandom]]. People do not want her to end up with Beck. They do not want Jade and Beck to break up. And so Jade gets absolved of her misbehaviour which is mostly aimed at Tori. They want to protect the Jade/Beck pairing and so they latch onto negative aspects of Tori's behaviour behavior which leads to her suffering DieForOurShip while Jade becomes a DracoInLeatherPants.

One odd thing to note is that if Beck and Jade had swapped personalities, then a Beck/Tori pairing would be a run-away runaway FanPreferredCouple for the same reasons that Sam/Freddie and Helga/Arnold are popular. Jade would be the Sam or Helga, and Tori would be the Freddie or Arnold. Just like Megan's age and family status kills the chance for a canon pairing with her, the fact that [[LesYayShipping Jade and Tori are both girls]] kills the chance for a canon pairing there.



Carly and Sam have very different personalities when it comes to guys. Carly will take charge and move in the first moment she sees an opening for a guy she likes. Sam is moody, detached and rarely makes the first move and has no success with guys. This is then converted into points like "Sam needs Freddie because she deserves someone who loves her" while Carly is considered to "have enough boys that she doesn't need Freddie" or called a slut that doesn't deserve Freddie's love after rejecting him for years. The fandom that prefers Sam/Freddie ignores that the reasons for Carly and Sam's personality in relation to guys is because Sam spent years being a bully to guys to the extent she has a reputation as a 'badass' and 'one of the guys' and as someone who throws potential boyfriends out of tree-houses or breaks their fingers.

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Carly and Sam have very different personalities when it comes to guys. Carly will take charge and move in the first moment she sees an opening for a guy she likes. Sam is moody, detached and rarely makes the first move and has no success with guys. This is then converted into points like "Sam needs Freddie because she deserves someone who loves her" while Carly is considered to "have enough boys that she doesn't need Freddie" or called a slut that doesn't deserve Freddie's love after rejecting him for years. The fandom that prefers Sam/Freddie ignores that the reasons for Carly and Sam's personality in relation to guys is because Sam spent years being a bully to guys to the extent she has a reputation as a 'badass' and 'one of the guys' and as someone who throws potential boyfriends out of tree-houses treehouses or breaks their fingers.
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