History Analysis / MenAreTheExpendableGender

22nd Sep '17 6:45:03 PM Clanger00
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Being viewed as less sympathetic than women by default has obvious UnfortunateImplications for men: in general, it is more socially acceptable for women to seek help or support from others, and they're more likely to actually get it. More than that, though, this trope contributes to systematic social problems that disproportionately affect men. Men are more likely than women to be homeless, and to be victims of violent crime. Many countries, though no longer all, refuse to officially assign female troops to combat units (although non-combat troops frequently do end up in combat anyway); not only is every army in the world willing to put men on the front lines, men are often considered to have [[ARealManIsAKiller an obligation to defend their country in combat]] and may be pressured to join up, or even conscripted. Outside of war, men are often [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass viewed as cowards]] if they [[NonActionGuy shrink from fistfights]], and if a man and woman are attacked by a criminal, he tends to be viewed as [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl responsible for protecting her]], regardless of whether she's actually more capable. [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale A man facing a problem]] like DomesticAbuse is often either [[AllAbusersAreMale actively disbelieved]] if he goes to the authorities, or told that [[HenpeckedHusband he ought to be able]] to [[MenDontCry handle it on his own]]; if he does get help, he's likely to [[IWasBeatenByAGirl feel ashamed of it]]. Due to the prevalent prejudice of [[TheUnfairSex women being in the right by default]], finding proper support is not easy. [[MortonsFork This leads to]] the FridgeLogic of an abused man being expected to take care of himself, but if he does and defends himself, then he's a total bastard for raising a hand against a female, and if he doesn't, then he's a coward and doesn't deserve sympathy. And good luck drawing attention to these problems; advertising a social issue by pointing out how it affects women is more likely to draw public sympathy and inspire action.

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Being viewed as less sympathetic than women by default has obvious UnfortunateImplications for men: in general, it is more socially acceptable for women to seek help or support from others, and they're more likely to actually get it. More than that, though, this trope contributes to systematic social problems that disproportionately affect men. Men are more likely than women to be homeless, and to be victims of violent crime. Many countries, though no longer all, refuse to officially assign female troops to combat units (although non-combat troops frequently do end up in combat anyway); not only is every army in the world willing to put men on the front lines, men are often considered to have [[ARealManIsAKiller an obligation to defend their country in combat]] and may be pressured to join up, or even conscripted. Outside of war, men are often [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass viewed as cowards]] if they [[NonActionGuy shrink from fistfights]], and if a man and woman are attacked by a criminal, he tends to be viewed as [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl responsible for protecting her]], regardless of whether she's actually more capable. [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale A man facing a problem]] like DomesticAbuse is often either [[AllAbusersAreMale actively disbelieved]] if he goes to the authorities, or told that [[HenpeckedHusband he ought to be able]] to [[MenDontCry handle it on his own]]; if he does get help, he's likely to [[IWasBeatenByAGirl feel ashamed of it]]. Due to the prevalent prejudice of [[TheUnfairSex women being in the right by default]], finding proper support is not easy. [[MortonsFork This leads to]] the FridgeLogic of an abused man being expected to take care of himself, but if he does and defends himself, then he's a total bastard for raising a hand against a female, and if he doesn't, then he's a coward and doesn't deserve sympathy. And good luck drawing attention to these problems; advertising a social issue by pointing out how it affects women is more likely to draw public sympathy and inspire action. \n
11th Jun '17 12:21:19 PM nombretomado
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30th May '17 2:26:52 PM BURGINABC
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30th May '17 2:24:20 PM BURGINABC
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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] themselves, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Due to the dual influence of this trope and MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial, it's ''especially'' common for armies of {{Mooks}} or RedShirts to be comprised solely of males.

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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] themselves, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Due to the dual influence of this trope and MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial, it's ''especially'' common for armies of disposable {{Mooks}} or RedShirts to be comprised solely of males.
30th May '17 2:22:30 PM BURGINABC
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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] themselves, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Armies of {{Mooks}} or RedShirts are almost always populated solely by males.

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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] themselves, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Armies Due to the dual influence of this trope and MenAreGenericWomenAreSpecial, it's ''especially'' common for armies of {{Mooks}} or RedShirts are almost always populated to be comprised solely by of males.
30th May '17 2:04:38 PM BURGINABC
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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] themselves, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Armies of {{Mooks}} are almost always populated solely by males.

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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] themselves, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Armies of {{Mooks}} or RedShirts are almost always populated solely by males.
16th Oct '16 12:00:58 PM Monolaf317
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9th Sep '16 5:25:39 PM imadmagician
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Being viewed as less sympathetic than women by default has obvious UnfortunateImplications for men: in general, it is more socially acceptable for women to seek help or support from others, and they're more likely to actually get it. More than that, though, this trope contributes to systematic social problems that disproportionately affect men. Men are more likely than women to be homeless, and to be victims of violent crime. Many countries, though no longer all, refuse to officially assign female troops to combat units (although non-combat troops frequently do end up in combat anyway); not only is every army in the world willing to put men on the front lines, men are often considered to have [[ARealManIsAKiller an obligation to defend their country in combat]] and may be pressured to join up, or even conscripted. Outside of war, men are often [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass viewed as cowards]] if they [[NonActionGuy shrink from fistfights]], and if a man and woman are attacked by a criminal, he tends to be viewed as [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl responsible for protecting her]], regardless of whether she's actually more capable. A man who faces a problem like DomesticAbuse is often either [[AllAbusersAreMale actively disbelieved]] if he goes to the authorities, or told that [[HenpeckedHusband he ought to be able]] to [[MenDontCry handle it on his own]]; if he does get help, he's likely to [[IWasBeatenByAGirl feel ashamed of it]]. This leads to the FridgeLogic of an abused man being expected to take care of himself, but if he does, and he defends himself, then he's a total bastard for raising a hand against a female, and if he doesn't, then he's a coward and doesn't deserve sympathy. And good luck drawing attention to these problems; advertising a social issue by pointing out how it affects women is more likely to draw public sympathy and inspire action.

However, the trope also has subtler UnfortunateImplications for women. Women get automatic audience sympathy for the same reason children do: they're viewed as fundamentally helpless, passive and innocent as well as ineffectual, incapable and utterly incompetent in any given situation, not as adults who can take care of themselves. Crimes against women are considered especially horrific because it's assumed that [[StayInTheKitchen female victims could not possibly have been capable of defending themselves]]. Similarly, [[HighHeelFaceTurn female villains are viewed as redeemable]] because they often aren't really taken seriously as villains in the first place a woman can't possibly pose a real threat, or be truly accountable for her actions. And since male characters ''must'' get the chance to earn audience sympathy by proving how capable they are, [[FauxActionGirl female characters are rarely given the same narrative opportunities to be heroic]]. This is one reason why male protagonists are much more common in many genres: male characters are more likely to have agency, personal conflict and capacity for growth, whereas female characters are often two-dimensionally perfect, static and passive. Thus, the female characters are reduced to plot devices that inspire male characters to action they [[DisposableWoman get killed off]], giving men a reason to prove their manhood by avenging them; or they [[CloserToEarth provide sage advice]] about being in touch with one's emotions; or they [[StandardHeroReward prop themselves up as trophies]] to reward [[DoggedNiceGuy male characters who've proven themselves worthy]]. In RealLife, this trope can also be outright nasty - forcing men to work to an early grave, while misleading the women into believing the [[AllMenArePerverts men are out for their bodies]], leaving them, essentially, in [[AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits "feminine" jobs]]. This all ties in with the age-old gynocentric tradition of the [[DamselInDistress helpless, childlike woman]] who has little responsibility but the raising of children and the [[TestosteronePoisoning manly man]] who works himself to an early grave so she never has to. Women who {{defied|Trope}} this were oft met with scorn from both their [[TheChick less-proactive peers]], who may have been scared of being forced to be like her, and their male protectors [[BerserkButton "How dare you scare my woman!"]] A woman may be praised for doing something masculine and no one may care if she wears male clothing. If a man dresses up like a woman and attempts to step into traditionally female roles, such as being a nurse, elementary teacher or stay-at-home parent then he may be mocked for being a "girl/fag" or told that he needs to "man up".

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Being viewed as less sympathetic than women by default has obvious UnfortunateImplications for men: in general, it is more socially acceptable for women to seek help or support from others, and they're more likely to actually get it. More than that, though, this trope contributes to systematic social problems that disproportionately affect men. Men are more likely than women to be homeless, and to be victims of violent crime. Many countries, though no longer all, refuse to officially assign female troops to combat units (although non-combat troops frequently do end up in combat anyway); not only is every army in the world willing to put men on the front lines, men are often considered to have [[ARealManIsAKiller an obligation to defend their country in combat]] and may be pressured to join up, or even conscripted. Outside of war, men are often [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass viewed as cowards]] if they [[NonActionGuy shrink from fistfights]], and if a man and woman are attacked by a criminal, he tends to be viewed as [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl responsible for protecting her]], regardless of whether she's actually more capable. [[DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale A man who faces facing a problem problem]] like DomesticAbuse is often either [[AllAbusersAreMale actively disbelieved]] if he goes to the authorities, or told that [[HenpeckedHusband he ought to be able]] to [[MenDontCry handle it on his own]]; if he does get help, he's likely to [[IWasBeatenByAGirl feel ashamed of it]]. Due to the prevalent prejudice of [[TheUnfairSex women being in the right by default]], finding proper support is not easy. [[MortonsFork This leads to to]] the FridgeLogic of an abused man being expected to take care of himself, but if he does, does and he defends himself, then he's a total bastard for raising a hand against a female, and if he doesn't, then he's a coward and doesn't deserve sympathy. And good luck drawing attention to these problems; advertising a social issue by pointing out how it affects women is more likely to draw public sympathy and inspire action.

However, the trope also has subtler UnfortunateImplications for women. Women get automatic audience sympathy for the same reason children do: they're viewed as fundamentally helpless, passive and innocent as well as ineffectual, incapable and utterly incompetent in any given situation, not as adults who can take care of themselves. Crimes against women are considered especially horrific because it's assumed that [[StayInTheKitchen female victims could not possibly have been capable of defending themselves]].themselves]], considered on par with [[WouldHurtAChild hurting little kids]]. Similarly, [[HighHeelFaceTurn female villains are viewed as redeemable]] because they often aren't really taken seriously as villains in the first place a woman can't possibly pose a real threat, or be truly accountable for her actions. And since male characters ''must'' get the chance to earn audience sympathy by proving how capable they are, [[FauxActionGirl female characters are rarely given the same narrative opportunities to be heroic]]. This is one reason why male protagonists are much more common in many genres: male characters are more likely to have agency, personal conflict and capacity for growth, whereas female characters are often two-dimensionally perfect, static and passive. Thus, the female characters are reduced to plot devices that inspire male characters to action they [[DisposableWoman get killed off]], giving men a reason to prove their manhood by avenging them; or they [[CloserToEarth provide sage advice]] about being in touch with one's emotions; or they [[StandardHeroReward prop themselves up as trophies]] to reward [[DoggedNiceGuy male characters who've proven themselves worthy]]. In RealLife, this trope can also be outright nasty - forcing men to work to an early grave, while misleading the women into believing the [[AllMenArePerverts men are out for their bodies]], leaving them, essentially, in [[AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits "feminine" jobs]]. This all ties in with the age-old gynocentric tradition of the [[DamselInDistress helpless, childlike woman]] who has little responsibility but the raising of children and the [[TestosteronePoisoning manly man]] who works himself to an early grave so she never has to. Women who {{defied|Trope}} this were oft met with scorn from both their [[TheChick less-proactive peers]], who may have been scared of being forced to be like her, and their male protectors [[BerserkButton "How dare you scare my woman!"]] A woman may be praised for doing something masculine and no one may care if she wears male clothing. If a man dresses up like a woman and attempts to step into traditionally female roles, such as being a nurse, elementary teacher or stay-at-home parent then [[FemininityIsBad he may be mocked mocked]] for being a "girl/fag" or told that he needs to "man up".
12th Aug '16 12:35:43 PM NoSpoilerz
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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] himself, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Armies of {{Mooks}} are almost always populated solely by males.

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When it's time for a character to hit the big one, either by a freak accident or by [[HeroicSacrifice nobly sacrificing]] himself, themselves, writers go about the situation as if it were a pickle jar: get a man to do it. If [[KillEmAll the entire cast has to die]], men will go first. However, this phenomenon is much more noticeable with extras; if large amounts of anonymous people have to die to demonstrate the severity of a threat, they will be men. Armies of {{Mooks}} are almost always populated solely by males.
22nd Jul '16 7:46:21 AM Morgenthaler
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Protagonists and antagonists can thus be easily determined from any scene of violence, without any context, if the actors are of different genders - women fighting men are usually the good guys, men fighting women are usually the bad guys. After all, if he was really a good guy, he [[WouldntHitAGirl wouldn't hit a girl]]. Also (occasionally) a cunning and cruel DangerouslyGenreSavvy villain, especially a female one, can take advantage of this trope and mindset, threatening, hurting and even killing women and children to emotionally destroy males, thus losing their ability to fight. As a result, unless TheHero of the show is also female, female {{Big Bad}}s are often {{Non Action Big Bad}}s, since few people would be comfortable depicting a male protagonist punching a woman in the face, no matter how horrible she may be. Her lady-parts trump her actions and her moral agency. Therefore, only another woman is "allowed" to physically destroy a villainess.

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Protagonists and antagonists can thus be easily determined from any scene of violence, without any context, if the actors are of different genders - women fighting men are usually the good guys, men fighting women are usually the bad guys. After all, if he was really a good guy, he [[WouldntHitAGirl wouldn't hit a girl]]. Also (occasionally) a cunning and cruel DangerouslyGenreSavvy villain, especially a female one, can take advantage of this trope and mindset, threatening, hurting and even killing women and children to emotionally destroy males, thus losing their ability to fight. As a result, unless TheHero of the show is also female, female {{Big Bad}}s are often {{Non Action Big Bad}}s, since few people would be comfortable depicting a male protagonist punching a woman in the face, no matter how horrible she may be. Her lady-parts trump her actions and her moral agency. Therefore, only another woman is "allowed" to physically destroy a villainess.
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