History Analysis / GirlShowGhetto

15th Oct '17 9:52:43 PM rjd1922
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** This ignored the fact that alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them; the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established, so boys back then probably didn't associate watching both of those movies as being girly. Also, ''Princess and the Frog'' was released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, with ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel following on its heels...

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** This ignored the fact that alleged "girly" films such as ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' and ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' were the highest grossing animated films of their times. Clearly there were at least some boys out there watching them; the Franchise/DisneyPrincess franchise hadn't yet been established, so boys back then probably didn't associate watching both of those movies as being girly. Also, ''Princess and the Frog'' ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was released the week before ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' opened, with ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' and the ''Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' sequel following on its heels...
31st Jul '17 4:59:56 PM CyberTiger88
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This creates a clear impression in the minds of potential male readers that if you pick up an issue of Wonder Woman, you can expect to be preached at. How many fans do you think are beating down the doors of their local comic book shop on shipping day for that opportunity?

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This creates a clear impression in the minds of potential male readers that if you pick up an issue of Wonder Woman, [[WriterOnBoard you can expect to be preached at. at]]. [[AudienceAlienatingPremise How many fans do you think are beating down the doors of their local comic book shop on shipping day for that opportunity?
opportunity]]?
5th May '17 6:02:58 PM ZombieAladdin
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* The one machine that might shake the industry out of the ghetto would be ''Pinball/WhoaNellieBigJuicyMelons'', a game with an incredibly strong MaleGaze element, as it received a tremendous backlash, enough for Creator/{{Stern}} to issue a PaletteSwap with a complete overhaul of the theme, changing it to the more gender-neutral Pabst Blue Ribbon beer (though still thoroughly rooted in pinball's association with bar culture). The main movers and shakers in pinball are all white males, however, and have little interest or understanding in selling to female players.

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* The one machine that might shake the industry out of the ghetto would be ''Pinball/WhoaNellieBigJuicyMelons'', a game with an incredibly strong MaleGaze element, as it received a tremendous backlash, enough for Creator/{{Stern}} to issue a PaletteSwap with a complete overhaul of the theme, changing it to the more gender-neutral Pabst Blue Ribbon beer (though still thoroughly rooted in pinball's association with bar culture). The main movers and shakers in pinball are all white males, however, and are very specialized in their knowledge--considering the disastrous attempt in 2012 to sell pinball machines to China (they did not do any localization, translation, or even voltage changes), it's unlikely they currently have little interest or understanding in selling the know-how to female players.sell outside their standard demographics.
5th May '17 1:57:16 PM ZombieAladdin
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* The one machine that might shake the industry out of the ghetto would be ''Pinball/WhoaNellieBigJuicyMelons'', a game with an incredibly strong MaleGaze element, as it received a tremendous backlash, enough for Creator/{{Stern}} to issue a PaletteSwap with a complete overhaul of the theme, changing it to the more gender-neutral Pabst Blue Ribbon beer (though still thoroughly rooted in pinball's association with bar culture).

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* The one machine that might shake the industry out of the ghetto would be ''Pinball/WhoaNellieBigJuicyMelons'', a game with an incredibly strong MaleGaze element, as it received a tremendous backlash, enough for Creator/{{Stern}} to issue a PaletteSwap with a complete overhaul of the theme, changing it to the more gender-neutral Pabst Blue Ribbon beer (though still thoroughly rooted in pinball's association with bar culture). The main movers and shakers in pinball are all white males, however, and have little interest or understanding in selling to female players.
5th May '17 1:54:00 PM ZombieAladdin
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* Pinball has been hit with this hard, is still deep within it, and shows little signs of moving out of it, though the level of acceptance depends on if you're viewing it from the base of players or from the industry itself. Both stem from pinball's history of being games played at casinos and bars, places where men would hang out with each other and develop a clique-like social atmosphere, with manufacturers catching on and making games accordingly; and of pinball's aging demographic. From the player side, there have been many events designed to bring women in and have them feel welcome, and the result is a slow but gradual shift in the gender ratios at competitions, conventions, and other events, though it is still overwhelmingly male. From the industry side, most of the designers, executives, and producers have been making pinball since TheEighties, carrying the social attitudes about games from that period. Pinball moved from casinos and bars to more family-friendly locations like arcades, pizza parlors, movie theaters, and bowling alleys, resulting in machines aimed at kids, but the only manufacturer to have ever designed tables aimed explicitly and unambiguously at women was Creator/{{Zaccaria}} in Italy, though it went out of business in 1990.
* The one machine that might shake the industry out of the ghetto would be ''Pinball/WhoaNellieBigJuicyMelons'', a game with an incredibly strong MaleGaze element, as it received a tremendous backlash, enough for Creator/{{Stern}} to issue a PaletteSwap with a complete overhaul of the theme, changing it to the more gender-neutral Pabst Blue Ribbon beer (though still thoroughly rooted in pinball's association with bar culture).
18th Dec '16 6:52:27 PM Discar
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** It helps that, in North America at least, [[GirlGroup girl groups]] tend to have a much shorter run, whereas pop idol soloists are often women. Hence: [[ContractualPurity contractual purity]] and associated tropes. Male pop singers face backlash from AManIsNotAVirgin and are expected to transition from "cute" to "adult" without losing their audience, much in the same way female pop idols are required to become HotterAndSexier. It's then that [[DoubleStandard double standards]] kick in, as the male musician who sheds his "cute" image will be praised, while women will be accused of relying on their body, abandoning their values, etc.

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** It helps that, in North America at least, [[GirlGroup girl groups]] tend to have a much shorter run, whereas pop idol soloists are often women. Hence: [[ContractualPurity contractual purity]] and associated tropes. Male pop singers face backlash from AManIsNotAVirgin and are expected to transition from "cute" to "adult" without losing their audience, much in the same way female pop idols are required to become HotterAndSexier. It's then that [[DoubleStandard double standards]] kick in, as the male musician who sheds his "cute" image will be praised, while women will be accused of relying on their body, abandoning their values, etc.
5th Dec '16 10:57:22 AM Tron80
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Take the Big Three of Creator/DCComics: {{Franchise/Superman}}, {{Franchise/Batman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman. Superman and Batman, whether their stories have depth or not, tend not to be allegorical or political (at least until Superman's 2011 reboot). But WonderWoman has strong feminist themes. She comes from an island entirely populated by female rape victims where men are forbidden to set foot and stories focused on her outside her own title (and sometimes in it) will take pot shots at men (though WonderWoman is shown to be above doing so herself, the writer will inject these themes into the narrative).

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Take the Big Three of Creator/DCComics: {{Franchise/Superman}}, {{Franchise/Batman}} and Franchise/WonderWoman. Superman and Batman, whether their stories have depth or not, tend not to be allegorical or political (at least until Superman's 2011 reboot). But WonderWoman Wonder Woman has strong feminist themes. She comes from an island entirely populated by female rape victims where men are forbidden to set foot and stories focused on her outside her own title (and sometimes in it) will take pot shots at men (though WonderWoman is shown to be above doing so herself, the writer will inject these themes into the narrative).



* Over at Creator/MarvelComics, there are no female characters that are as well-known as Franchise/WonderWoman.

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* Over at Creator/MarvelComics, there are no female characters that are as well-known as Franchise/WonderWoman.Franchise/WonderWoman, Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} or Comicbook/{{Batgirl}}.
16th Oct '16 11:47:53 AM Monolaf317
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* ''WesternAnimation/CareBears'' is assumed as being for girls and very little boys despite being unisex.

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* ''WesternAnimation/CareBears'' is assumed as being for girls and very little boys despite being unisex.unisex.
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8th Jul '16 6:15:51 PM ScotieRw
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* The young adult and middle grade (eight-twelve years old) demographics mostly consists of young girls. Part of this is because boys have a tendency to refuse to read anything with a female protagonists.

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* The young adult and middle grade (eight-twelve years old) demographics mostly consists of young girls. Part of this is because boys have a tendency to refuse to read anything with a female protagonists.
protagonist for reasons stated above and young adult and middle grade tend to be considered girly. Another part that affects middle grade more than young adult, is that parents buying books for their sons have a tendency to look for books that could be considered "masculine" when buying for their sons, and "gender neutral" or "girls power themed" books for their daughters.
8th Jul '16 6:13:04 PM ScotieRw
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* The young adult and middle grade (eight-twelve years old) demographics mostly consists of young girls. Part of this is because boys have a tendency to refuse to read anything with a female protagonists.



* ''WesternAnimation/CareBears'' is assumed as being for girls and very little boys despite being unisex.

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* ''WesternAnimation/CareBears'' is assumed as being for girls and very little boys despite being unisex.
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