History Analysis / DeaderThanDisco

7th Jan '17 10:08:51 PM KizunaTallis
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One common way this happens is for a franchise to do something that [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks is widely rejected by the established fandom]] and fails to allow it to pick up a new audience. Falling victim to TheChrisCarterEffect is one of the easiest ways for this to happen, as fans' memories of earlier seasons, books, films, or games are tainted by the realization that the plot that they had spent years following is [[ArcFatigue going nowhere]], is being [[KudzuPlot made up on the fly with little forethought]], and [[EndingFatigue isn't likely to be resolved]]. Consequently, the now-former fans tell newbies not to bother. Another way for this to happen is to [[WereStillRelevantDammit try and catch younger audiences by using fads]], which can leave longtime fans outraged and fail to bring in the new audience that was hoped for. Finally, DarknessInducedAudienceApathy may leave fans with nobody to root for, as the EightDeadlyWords start to take over. In a nutshell, the work enters a DorkAge that it never gets out of, JumpingTheShark so badly that it rubs off on when it was still good.

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Another common cause for something becoming DTD is going completely and irredeemably rotten, to the point it taints even the "good days" of the franchise.

One common way this happens is for a franchise to do something that [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks is widely rejected by the established fandom]] and fails to allow it to pick up a new audience. Falling victim to TheChrisCarterEffect is one of the easiest ways for this to happen, as fans' memories of earlier seasons, books, films, or games are become tainted by the realization that the plot that they had spent years following is [[ArcFatigue going nowhere]], is being [[KudzuPlot made up on the fly with little forethought]], and [[EndingFatigue isn't likely to be resolved]]. Consequently, the now-former fans tell newbies not to bother. Another way for this to happen is to [[WereStillRelevantDammit try and catch younger audiences by using fads]], which can leave longtime fans outraged and fail to bring in the new audience that was hoped for. Finally, DarknessInducedAudienceApathy may leave fans with nobody to root for, as the EightDeadlyWords start to take over. In a nutshell, the work enters a DorkAge that it never gets out of, JumpingTheShark so badly that it rubs off on when it was still good.
7th Jan '17 7:56:28 PM Kuruni
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Another cause of this trope is a franchise simply [[SeasonalRot going bad]].
27th Dec '16 2:22:54 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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A work or a creator becomes DeaderThanDisco when HypeBacklash makes it go from hugely popular to almost universally hated with no chance of ever making a comeback. This is the most important criterion. However, there are many ways that this can happen.

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A work or a creator becomes DeaderThanDisco when HypeBacklash makes it go from hugely popular to almost universally hated hated, with no little-to-no chance of ever making [[PopularityPolynomial a comeback.comeback]]. This is the most important criterion. However, there are many ways that this can happen.



Another cause of this trope is a franchise doing something that [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks is widely rejected by the established fandom]] and fails to allow it to pick up a new audience. Falling victim to TheChrisCarterEffect or a KudzuPlot is one of the easiest ways for this to happen, as fans' memories of earlier seasons, books, films, or games are tainted by the realization that the plot that they had spent years following is [[ArcFatigue going nowhere]], is being made up on the fly with little forethought, and [[EndingFatigue isn't likely to be resolved]]. Consequently, the now-former fans tell newbies not to bother. Another way for this to happen is to [[WereStillRelevantDammit try and catch younger audiences by using fads]], which can leave longtime fans outraged and fail to bring in the new audience that was hoped for. Finally, DarknessInducedAudienceApathy may leave fans with nobody to root for, as the EightDeadlyWords start to take over. In a nutshell, the work enters a DorkAge that it never gets out of, JumpingTheShark so badly that it rubs off on when it was still good.

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Another cause of this trope is a franchise doing simply [[SeasonalRot going bad]].

One common way this happens is for a franchise to do
something that [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks is widely rejected by the established fandom]] and fails to allow it to pick up a new audience. Falling victim to TheChrisCarterEffect or a KudzuPlot is one of the easiest ways for this to happen, as fans' memories of earlier seasons, books, films, or games are tainted by the realization that the plot that they had spent years following is [[ArcFatigue going nowhere]], is being [[KudzuPlot made up on the fly with little forethought, forethought]], and [[EndingFatigue isn't likely to be resolved]]. Consequently, the now-former fans tell newbies not to bother. Another way for this to happen is to [[WereStillRelevantDammit try and catch younger audiences by using fads]], which can leave longtime fans outraged and fail to bring in the new audience that was hoped for. Finally, DarknessInducedAudienceApathy may leave fans with nobody to root for, as the EightDeadlyWords start to take over. In a nutshell, the work enters a DorkAge that it never gets out of, JumpingTheShark so badly that it rubs off on when it was still good.



[[EndingAversion Ending a work]] on [[BrokenBase a base-breaking note]] is another way to do this. A work may be [[LeftHanging unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort may not have an ending at all]], or have an ending that is considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog pointless]], [[AntiClimax or just unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.

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[[EndingAversion Ending a work]] on [[BrokenBase a base-breaking note]] is another way to do this. A work may be [[LeftHanging unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort may not have an ending at all]], or have an ending that is considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], mind-boggling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], nonsensical]], [[CaptainObviousReveal predictable]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog pointless]], [[AntiClimax or just unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.
26th Dec '16 9:42:50 AM KizunaTallis
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A work or a creator becomes Deader Than Disco when HypeBacklash makes it go from hugely popular to almost universally hated. This is the most important criterion. However, there are many ways that this can happen.

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A work or a creator becomes Deader Than Disco DeaderThanDisco when HypeBacklash makes it go from hugely popular to almost universally hated.hated with no chance of ever making a comeback. This is the most important criterion. However, there are many ways that this can happen.



[[EndingAversion Ending a work]] on [[BaseBreaker a base-breaking note]] is another way to do this. A work may be [[LeftHanging unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort may not have an ending at all]], or have an ending that is considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog pointless]], [[AntiClimax or just unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.

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[[EndingAversion Ending a work]] on [[BaseBreaker [[BrokenBase a base-breaking note]] is another way to do this. A work may be [[LeftHanging unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort may not have an ending at all]], or have an ending that is considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog pointless]], [[AntiClimax or just unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.



There's also simple backlash against some aspect of a work or its creator. Its fans may be seen as [[FanDumb overly annoying and obsessive]], causing people to hate it simply to avoid being associated with them. It might become [[SnarkBait a victim of public mockery]]. Its target demographic [[FleetingDemographic may outgrow it]] and look back on it as childish. It might have been the brainchild of a DarthWiki/FallenCreator whose works are now seen as toxic. A work may be subject to MagnumOpusDissonance; even if it's generally considered good anyway, a creator can lose his or her goodwill by [[WolverinePublicity talking it up too much]]. It may have been the perpetrator of an AwardSnub, earning it a substantial {{hatedom}} from fans of the work or creator seen as having been snubbed, especially if the other work's reputation [[VindicatedByHistory continues to grow over time]]. A creator may have gotten involved in a controversy or trouble with the law that [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor badly tarnished]] their [[ContractualPurity reputation]]. A famous actor, director, writer, musician, or ShowRunner may have [[CreatorKiller torpedoed their career in one shot]] with a BoxOfficeBomb or a similarly despised work. A work may suffer from MainstreamObscurity, winning acclaim and constantly being referenced yet not actually watched, read, or listened to much.

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There's also simple backlash against some aspect of a work or its creator. Its fans may be seen as [[FanDumb overly annoying and obsessive]], causing people to hate it simply to avoid being associated with them. It might become [[SnarkBait a victim of public mockery]]. Its target demographic [[FleetingDemographic may outgrow it]] and look back on it as childish. It might have been the brainchild of a DarthWiki/FallenCreator whose works are now seen as toxic. A work may be subject to MagnumOpusDissonance; even if it's generally considered good anyway, a creator can lose his or her goodwill by [[WolverinePublicity talking it up too much]]. It may have been the perpetrator of an AwardSnub, earning it a substantial {{hatedom}} from fans of the work or creator seen as having been snubbed, especially if the other work's reputation [[VindicatedByHistory continues to grow over time]]. A creator may have gotten involved in a controversy or trouble with the law that [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor badly tarnished]] their [[ContractualPurity [[OvershadowedByControversy reputation]]. A famous actor, director, writer, musician, or ShowRunner may have [[CreatorKiller torpedoed their career in one shot]] with a BoxOfficeBomb or a similarly despised work. A work may suffer from MainstreamObscurity, winning acclaim and constantly being referenced yet not actually watched, read, or listened to much.
26th Dec '16 7:23:04 AM Kuruni
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[[folder:Being forgotten]]
And finally, there are those works and creators who simply faded away instead of burning out. TV shows that have long since gone off the air. Defunct {{MMORPG}}s. Musicians who haven't had a hit in decades. For whatever reason, it never stood the test of time, and was never rediscovered by newer audiences. Falling out of the popular memory, their fans start to move on to other works and eventually grow old and die off, taking with them any memory of the work in question.
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25th Dec '16 6:47:07 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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Here are some examples of flaws that might cause a work to become Deader Than Disco:

* HypeBacklash that makes a work go from hugely popular to almost universally hated. This is the most important criterion.
* Any work that suffers from TheChrisCarterEffect. The audience might abandon it when they don't feel like anything has been resolved.
* Works that are created [[DancingBear to showcase new special effects, technologies or techniques]] when they inevitably become outdated.
* Any work where the FranchiseOriginalSin becomes a major problem.
* Works that suffer from ValuesDissonance badly enough, especially if UnfortunateImplications come into play.
** Works with a FairForItsDay perspective, especially if the mainstream of their time was [[DamnedByFaintPraise extremely objectionable by modern standards]].
* Works that unironically use {{Discredited Trope}}s, or {{Dead Horse Trope}}s.
* Works that have [[FanDumb overly annoying fans]].
* Works that become a popular [[SnarkBait victim of public mockery]].
* Works whose [[FleetingDemographic target demographic outgrows them]].
* The works of a DarthWiki/FallenCreator.
* Works that are [[OvershadowedByControversy overshadowed by a real-life controversy]].
* Works that suffer from HarsherInHindsight or {{Funny Aneurysm Moment}}s.
* Works that address topics that were controversial at the time, but became old hat later on.
* Works that suffer from SeinfeldIsUnfunny, where they have been copied so much that they don't seem original.
* Works that rely on a [[DancingBear Gimmick]], when the gimmick grows old, or is copied too much.
* LongRunners if:
** [[ItsTheSameSoItSucks They don't change their plotlines or formula.]]
** [[WereStillRelevantDammit They attempt to catch younger audiences by using fads.]]
** [[KudzuPlot The plot becomes too complex]], [[TheChrisCarterEffect with no resolutions]] or [[EndingFatigue ending.]]
** {{Story arc}}s [[ArcFatigue slow to a crawl]], or [[ShaggyDogStory end with unsatisfying pay offs]].
** [[SeasonalRot They get just plain bad.]]
* Works that are subject to MagnumOpusDissonance: even if the work is generally considered good anyway, a creator can lose his/her goodwill by [[WolverinePublicity talking it up too much]].
* Works whose place in popular culture is replaced by another work.
* Works that are being constantly compared negatively to another work (e.g. a film or performance that wins an Oscar over another film/performance whose reputation would continue to grow over time).
* Works that just don't stand out to modern-day audiences amongst other similar works like they did during their own time periods.
* {{Unintentional Period Piece}}s.
* Musicians who can't even chart to save their lives.
* TV shows that have long since gone off the air.
* Actors and directors if:
** They star in or create a BoxOfficeBomb or otherwise despised movie.
** They get involved in a controversy, [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor or get in trouble with the law.]]
* Works that became popular during their run but have a [[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort not ending at all]], or being considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog pointless]], [[{{AntiClimax}} or unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.
* Works that cause DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.
* Defunct {{MMORPG}}s.
* Works that [[MainstreamObscurity aren't actually watched much]], causing them to be considered overrated.

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Here are some examples of flaws that might cause a A work to become or a creator becomes Deader Than Disco:

*
Disco when HypeBacklash that makes a work it go from hugely popular to almost universally hated. This is the most important criterion.
* Any work
criterion. However, there are many ways that suffers from TheChrisCarterEffect. The audience might abandon it when they don't feel like anything has been resolved.
* Works that are
this can happen.

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[[folder:Gimmicks]]
Relying too much on the DancingBear can backfire in the long run. A film, TV show, or video game that's
created [[DancingBear to showcase show off new special effects, technologies technologies, or techniques]] when they inevitably become outdated.
* Any work where the FranchiseOriginalSin becomes a major problem.
* Works that
techniques can suffer from this once they become old-hat or, worse, outdated, especially if they have nothing else to fall back on. A work that's acclaimed as a great story in its own right, and which just so happens to also be a landmark in the development of special effects, is far more likely to stand the test of time. This is why we're still talking about ''Film/CitizenKane'', ''Film/StarWars'', and ''Film/JurassicPark'' as classic films to this day, and ''VideoGame/SuperMario64'' and ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' as classic games. On the other hand, a technological showcase that, even at the height of its popularity, is subject to complaints about bland characters, an undercooked script, and (in the case of games) boring gameplay is likely to be forgotten in just a few short years, consigned to the bargain bin at your local FYE or Gamestop. It might be respected by enthusiasts and students of the medium, if only for its technical qualities, but everybody else is likely to say "huh?" when the work is brought up.

Technology isn't the only gimmick available. A work can also attract audiences by showing controversial content or addressing hot-button issues, and if there's little else underneath, audiences in later years can wonder what the big deal is once that content is no longer considered edgy. Again, stories like ''Film/NightOfTheLivingDead1968'', ''Series/AllInTheFamily'', ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', and ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'', while known for being landmarks in terms of breaking taboos in their respective genres and mediums, are still watched, read, and played nowadays because they had other merits in addition to their content.
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[[folder:Changing times]]
ValuesDissonance badly enough, especially if can also kill a work or creator's reputation in the long run. Audiences at the time might embrace something as wholesome, only for people years later to reevaluate it and find all manner of UnfortunateImplications come into play.
** Works
that the original fans might never have noticed -- or if they did, they might have even seen as a good thing. At worst, a work or creator could be seen, years later, as a symbol of everything that was wrong with a FairForItsDay perspective, especially if the mainstream viewpoints of their time the time. Racial, religious, and sexual stereotyping is one of the most common victims of this; even [[FairForItsDay what was [[DamnedByFaintPraise extremely objectionable by modern standards]].
* Works that unironically use {{Discredited Trope}}s, or {{Dead Horse Trope}}s.
* Works that have [[FanDumb overly annoying fans]].
* Works that become a popular [[SnarkBait
once progressive]] could fall victim of public mockery]].
* Works whose [[FleetingDemographic target demographic outgrows them]].
* The works of a DarthWiki/FallenCreator.
* Works that are [[OvershadowedByControversy overshadowed by a real-life controversy]].
* Works that suffer from
to changing societal norms. More immediately, HarsherInHindsight or {{Funny Aneurysm Moment}}s.
* Works
a FunnyAneurysmMoment can come into play. Sometimes, real-life events can produce ValuesResonance, but other times, they can [[TooSoon make it much more difficult to appreciate something]] with the cloud of those events hanging over it.

On an artistic level, a work
that address topics spawned a revolution in creativity in its medium could easily be outdone and consumed by the works that were controversial came in its wake. What was once a radical new take on an old plot device could become a DiscreditedTrope or a DeadHorseTrope in its own right. Later works may take the same story [[BetterByADifferentName and do it better]], causing the original to be forgotten. A good {{deconstruction}} of a genre's conventions can cause people to reevaluate their enjoyment of even the better works in that genre, causing them to go from acclaimed to reviled. Alternatively, [[FollowTheLeader copycats]] can simply run those conventions into the ground and cause people to get sick of them, to the point where even the acclaimed works that popularized them can see their reputations suffer.

And on a temporal level, there's the good old-fashioned UnintentionalPeriodPiece. A work or a musician can sometimes wear too much of the time of its popularity on its sleeve, to the point where people in later years find it difficult to appreciate beneath all the dated fashions, music, and pop culture references. This can be especially so if key plot mechanisms, lines of dialogue, gameplay mechanics, or lyrics can't work in later years due to changes in how the world works, leaving future audiences without the cultural reference points that people
at the time, but became old hat later on.
* Works
time might have taken for granted.
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[[folder:Rot and decay]]
Another cause of this trope is a franchise doing something
that suffer from SeinfeldIsUnfunny, where they have been copied so much [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks is widely rejected by the established fandom]] and fails to allow it to pick up a new audience. Falling victim to TheChrisCarterEffect or a KudzuPlot is one of the easiest ways for this to happen, as fans' memories of earlier seasons, books, films, or games are tainted by the realization that the plot that they don't seem original.
* Works that rely
had spent years following is [[ArcFatigue going nowhere]], is being made up on a [[DancingBear Gimmick]], when the gimmick grows old, or fly with little forethought, and [[EndingFatigue isn't likely to be resolved]]. Consequently, the now-former fans tell newbies not to bother. Another way for this to happen is copied too much.
* LongRunners if:
** [[ItsTheSameSoItSucks They don't change their plotlines or formula.]]
**
to [[WereStillRelevantDammit They attempt to try and catch younger audiences by using fads.]]
** [[KudzuPlot The plot becomes too complex]], [[TheChrisCarterEffect
fads]], which can leave longtime fans outraged and fail to bring in the new audience that was hoped for. Finally, DarknessInducedAudienceApathy may leave fans with no resolutions]] or [[EndingFatigue ending.]]
** {{Story arc}}s [[ArcFatigue slow
nobody to a crawl]], or [[ShaggyDogStory end with unsatisfying pay offs]].
** [[SeasonalRot They get just plain bad.]]
* Works that are subject
root for, as the EightDeadlyWords start to MagnumOpusDissonance: even if take over. In a nutshell, the work is generally considered good anyway, enters a creator can lose his/her goodwill by [[WolverinePublicity talking it up too much]].
* Works whose place in popular culture is replaced by another work.
* Works
DorkAge that are it never gets out of, JumpingTheShark so badly that it rubs off on when it was still good.

This goes doubly so if there is a FranchiseOriginalSin involved. Fans may look back on earlier installments and notice that the seeds for the SeasonalRot were there all along, but simply had not flowered yet or were
being constantly compared negatively to another work (e.g. a film or performance held in check. If this happens, memories of the work's GloryDays may be tainted even further, as it becomes clear that wins an Oscar over another film/performance whose reputation would continue to grow over time).
* Works
things were going wrong right from the start, and that just don't stand out it was probably doomed to modern-day audiences amongst other similar works like they did during their own time periods.
* {{Unintentional Period Piece}}s.
* Musicians who can't even chart to save their lives.
* TV shows that have long since gone off
turn into the air.
* Actors and directors if:
** They star in or create a BoxOfficeBomb or otherwise despised movie.
** They get involved in a controversy, [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor or get in trouble with the law.]]
* Works
mess that became popular during their run but have a later on.

[[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including Ending a work]] on [[BaseBreaker a base-breaking note]] is another way to do this. A work may be [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort may not have an ending at all]], or being have an ending that is considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog pointless]], [[{{AntiClimax}} [[AntiClimax or just unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.
* Works
members.

Alternatively, ItsTheSameSoItSucks can come into play. If a creator's output or a long-running franchise starts to grow stale, fans can turn against them, seeing them as having run out of things to say or do. In extreme cases, fans can turn against earlier installments from the creator or franchise as well, seeing the work they once loved as having ''always'' been lacking in creativity once the mechanisms of its StrictlyFormula nature became apparent. This is less likely to happen if the formula was part of the appeal from the beginning (Angus Young of Music/{{ACDC}} once proudly joked about having "put out twelve albums
that cause DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.
* Defunct {{MMORPG}}s.
* Works
sound exactly the same"), but if a key part of a creator or work's appeal was that [[MainstreamObscurity aren't actually watched much]], it was innovative or revolutionary, watch out.
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[[folder:Backlash]]
There's also simple backlash against some aspect of a work or its creator. Its fans may be seen as [[FanDumb overly annoying and obsessive]],
causing them people to hate it simply to avoid being associated with them. It might become [[SnarkBait a victim of public mockery]]. Its target demographic [[FleetingDemographic may outgrow it]] and look back on it as childish. It might have been the brainchild of a DarthWiki/FallenCreator whose works are now seen as toxic. A work may be subject to MagnumOpusDissonance; even if it's generally considered overrated.good anyway, a creator can lose his or her goodwill by [[WolverinePublicity talking it up too much]]. It may have been the perpetrator of an AwardSnub, earning it a substantial {{hatedom}} from fans of the work or creator seen as having been snubbed, especially if the other work's reputation [[VindicatedByHistory continues to grow over time]]. A creator may have gotten involved in a controversy or trouble with the law that [[RoleEndingMisdemeanor badly tarnished]] their [[ContractualPurity reputation]]. A famous actor, director, writer, musician, or ShowRunner may have [[CreatorKiller torpedoed their career in one shot]] with a BoxOfficeBomb or a similarly despised work. A work may suffer from MainstreamObscurity, winning acclaim and constantly being referenced yet not actually watched, read, or listened to much.

Either way, people came to see the work as overrated.
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[[folder:Being forgotten]]
And finally, there are those works and creators who simply faded away instead of burning out. TV shows that have long since gone off the air. Defunct {{MMORPG}}s. Musicians who haven't had a hit in decades. For whatever reason, it never stood the test of time, and was never rediscovered by newer audiences. Falling out of the popular memory, their fans start to move on to other works and eventually grow old and die off, taking with them any memory of the work in question.
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30th Nov '16 12:43:04 PM BobRiddle
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* Works that became popular during their run but have a [[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort not ending at all]], or being considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[{{AntiClimax}} or unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.

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* Works that became popular during their run but have a [[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort not ending at all]], or being considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog pointless]], [[{{AntiClimax}} or unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.


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* Works that [[MainstreamObscurity aren't actually watched much]], causing them to be considered overrated.
28th Nov '16 11:15:52 AM BobRiddle
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* Works that cause DarknessInducedAudienceApathy.
* Defunct {{MMORPG}}s.
16th Oct '16 11:13:39 AM Monolaf317
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* Works that became popular during their run but have a [[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort not ending at all]], or being considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[{{AntiClimax}} or unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.

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* Works that became popular during their run but have a [[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort not ending at all]], or being considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[{{AntiClimax}} or unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.members.
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11th Oct '16 4:03:42 PM CyberTiger88
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* Works that became popular during their run but have a [[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort no ending at all]], or being considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[AssPull or just simply written badly]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.

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* Works that became popular during their run but have a [[EndingAversion controversial finale]], symptoms including [[LeftHanging being unable to tie enough plot threads]], [[CutShort no not ending at all]], or being considered overtly [[CruelTwistEnding mean-spirited]], [[GainaxEnding mind-boogling]], [[ShockingSwerve non-nonsensical]], [[AssPull [[{{AntiClimax}} or just simply written badly]], unimpressive]], which ends up turning off former fans and any potential new audience members.
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