History Analysis / Batman

23rd May '16 6:26:33 PM Anddrix
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* ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'': He represents the chaos and dark impulses that Batman struggles against every day -- in crimefighting and within his own mind. Newer iterations have also played up his Determinator attribute to contrast with Batman's. While Batman will never stop trying to stop crime, the Joker will never stop trying to get Batman to break his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]].

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* ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'': ''ComicBook/TheJoker'': He represents the chaos and dark impulses that Batman struggles against every day -- in crimefighting and within his own mind. Newer iterations have also played up his Determinator attribute to contrast with Batman's. While Batman will never stop trying to stop crime, the Joker will never stop trying to get Batman to break his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]].
1st Dec '15 3:27:02 AM emerald005
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* ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'': He represents the chaos and dark impulses that Batman struggles against every day -- in crimefighting and within his own mind.

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* ''SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker'': He represents the chaos and dark impulses that Batman struggles against every day -- in crimefighting and within his own mind. Newer iterations have also played up his Determinator attribute to contrast with Batman's. While Batman will never stop trying to stop crime, the Joker will never stop trying to get Batman to break his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]].
1st Dec '15 2:33:51 AM emerald005
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* ''Mr. Freeze'': In his more modern incarnations at least, has suffered the brutal loss of a loved one that has subsequently defined his life in the same way that Bruce Wayne losing his parents defined his.

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* ''Mr. Freeze'': In his more modern incarnations at least, has suffered the brutal loss of a loved one that has subsequently defined his life in the same way that Bruce Wayne losing his parents defined his. In some incarnations, he also shares Batman's AwesomeByAnalysis abilities.
14th Oct '15 2:24:55 AM arrgh
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* ''Two-Face'': Represents the struggle between dual identities inherent in Batman/Bruce Wayne's psychology. Harvey's own HeroComplex of having things be fair so much that he creates his own villian/nemesis in Two-Face just for balance and duality.

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* ''Two-Face'': Represents the struggle between dual identities inherent in Batman/Bruce Wayne's psychology. Harvey's own HeroComplex of having things be fair so much that he creates his own villian/nemesis in Two-Face just for balance and duality. Further, his coin-flipping gimmick - leaving his actions up to random chance - largely represents a rejection of the entire concept of moral responsibility. This concept utterly *defines* Batman (and many other heroes and villains).
15th Sep '15 3:21:59 PM Anddrix
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* ''Maximilian "Maxie" Zeus'': At least in TheBatman, A wealthy businessman who uses his money for gadgets and for ruling over Gotham.

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* ''Maximilian "Maxie" Zeus'': At least in TheBatman, ''WesternAnimation/TheBatman'', A wealthy businessman who uses his money for gadgets and for ruling over Gotham.
26th Aug '15 7:10:10 PM EricW
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* ''Black Mask'': Both try to run the family business, only for Black Mask to fail and decides to go into crime.

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* ''Black Mask'': Both try to run the family business, only for Black Mask to fail and decides to go into crime. Further, Black Mask at one point ended up having his trademark black mask fused to his face in a fire...echoing how Bruce Wayne can sometimes define his own worth by how he does as Batman.
9th Jul '15 9:10:32 PM SpoopS
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Which brings us to TheJoker. He is the extreme of criminal behavior that law is unable to resolve. A constant throughout the series is that Joker ''can not'' be redeemed. His madness cannot be treated or cured. In fact his madness is slightly contagious; trying to analyze him, or in some cases just spending a significant amount of time in his proximity, may drive you mad as well. He can't be contained either; imprison him and he'll just break out again. Only one thing can really be done with him...and no representative of law and order - not even Gotham's extraordinary agent of it - is willing or able to do that. ThouShaltNotKill is the one rule that ''no one'' will break, even though it will quite handily solve the unsolvable problem of the Joker, and that is presented to us as a good thing. Unfortunately traditional concepts of "good" and "evil" do not apply in a place like Gotham. The city has been abandoned by God, and the only reason God's laws hold any sway at all is because it gives them comfort to the citizens of the city to believe that they do. The Joker's continued existence - and the continued reign of terror he engages in - is the inevitable end product of the moral myopia/moral hypocrisy of Gotham City. Everyone in Gotham - including the vigilante who is technically outside the system - is applying a system of morality to a situation where it is no longer relevant, and in the process contributing to their own self-destruction.

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Which brings us to TheJoker. He is the extreme of criminal behavior that law is unable to resolve. A constant throughout the series is that Joker ''can not'' be redeemed. His madness cannot be treated or cured. In fact his madness is slightly contagious; trying to analyze him, or in some cases just spending a significant amount of time in his proximity, may drive you mad as well. He can't be contained either; imprison him and he'll just break out again. Only one thing can really be done with him...and no representative of law and order - not even Gotham's extraordinary agent of it - is willing or able to do that. ThouShaltNotKill is the one rule that ''no one'' will break, even though it will quite handily solve the unsolvable problem of the Joker, and that is presented to us as a good thing. Unfortunately traditional concepts of "good" and "evil" do not apply in a place like Gotham. The city has been abandoned by God, and the only reason God's laws hold any sway at all is because it gives them comfort to the citizens of the city to believe that they do. The Joker's continued existence - and the continued reign of terror he engages in - is the inevitable end product of the moral myopia/moral hypocrisy of Gotham City. Everyone in Gotham - including the vigilante who is technically outside the system - is applying a system of morality to a situation where it is no longer relevant, and in the process contributing to their own self-destruction.
5th Jul '15 10:35:46 AM CJF
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* ''Maximilian "Maxie" Zeus'': At least in TheBatman, A wealthy businessman who uses his money for gadgets and for ruling over Gotham.
21st May '15 7:22:50 PM CJF
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[[WMG: Batman's RoguesGallery as a reflection of the hero]]

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[[WMG: Batman's RoguesGallery as a reflection [[{{Foil}} reflection]] of the hero]]
21st May '15 9:26:29 AM CJF
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* ''Two-Face'': Represents the struggle between dual identities inherent in Batman/Bruce Wayne's psychology.

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* ''Two-Face'': Represents the struggle between dual identities inherent in Batman/Bruce Wayne's psychology. Harvey's own HeroComplex of having things be fair so much that he creates his own villian/nemesis in Two-Face just for balance and duality.
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